Jews and Jew Haters II: From Cranks to Clowns
(This is a guest post by Mikey)
Six months ago, I posted Jews and Jew Haters: The Anti-Zionist Jewish Squabble. It was about the nasty feud between Tony Greenstein, an anti-Zionist British Jew, and Gilad Atzmon, an anti-Zionist Israeli. Greenstein wants “the state of Israel to be destroyed” and claims that Hamas and Hizbollah are not antisemitic. Atzmon says that burning down a synagogue is a “rational act.” I wasn’t sure if a sane person could support either side, but I concluded: “this argument is set to run and run.”
And so it has turned out. The Tony Greenstein camp has established its own blog, Anti-Zionists against Anti-Semitism, to “opppose [sic] that small current around Israel Shamir and Gilad Atzmon who wish to introduce the ideas of racism and anti-Semitism into the Palestine solidarity movement.” A large proportion of the posts are attacks on Atzmon, described as “a holocaust denier” who is “fundamentally racist and reactionary.”
The blog is very dull and only masochists will enjoy it. Apparently even Greenstein finds it boring, which may explain why he is anxious for the excitement of a court case. He has initiated legal proceedings against Atzmon in respect of:
False allegations of serious criminal conduct and fraud. concerning alleged offences over 20 years ago, contrary to s.8 of the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974.
False allegations of violent crimes, in particular against Jewish people
False allegations of race hate crimes against Jewish people
False allegations of vandalising church property
In full litigation mode, Greenstein has also threatened to sue Google for hosting the website of Atzmon’s main defender.
In the Nazi mind, the ultimate evil is being a Jew. In Atzmon’s mind, the ultimate evil is being a Zionist. This is worse than being a Nazi:
there is no room for comparison between Israel and the Nazis. If a comparison is to be made, then it is the Israelis who win the championship of ruthlessness… Israel and Zionism endanger our world… We have to admit that Israel is the ultimate evil rather than Nazi Germany… We should never compare Israel to Nazi Germany. As far as evilness is concerned, we should now let Israel take the lead.
Since it is the worst insult he can imagine, Atzmon has taken to calling the Greenstein camp crypto-Zionists. Since it is the worst insult he can imagine, Greenstein throws the same accusation against the Atzmon camp, whose ideas “can only lead in one direction – to the strengthening of Zionism.” But Greenstein is more promiscuous with his abuse. Not long after the BNP’s legal adviser attacked the Board of Deputies as “a clique of self serving Zionist racists” and a “Zionist-Nazi organisation” and the Jewish Chronicle as “the mouthpiece of the same clique of Zionist parasites and crooks,” Greenstein wrote that the BNP is “pro-Zionist.” Perhaps he was trying to enliven his blog by making it hard for his readers to keep a straight face.
It may become a double-act. Both Gilad Atzmon and Tony Greenstein despise Anthony Julius for his criticisms of anti-Zionism. Greenstein recently dismissed Julius as “quite a simple fellow” under a headline that screamed, “Gilad Atzmon Joins with Anthony Julius to Attack Jewish Anti-Zionists.” That was shortly after Atzmon attacked Julius for his role in “the destruction of history revisionist David Irving’s career.”
Meanwhile the Trotskyist Alliance for Workers’ Liberty has rallied to Greenstein defence. This is in spite of Greenstein’s boast on the very same webpage that he
would lose no sleep if they [AIPAC], the Bush White House, the leadership of the Republican Party, New Labour’s cabinet and any other warmongers I can think of, were vaporised.
As Paul Bogdanor commented:
Previously I exposed Greenstein’s thoughts on vapourising as many as 100,000 American Jews in AIPAC, along with the inhabitants of the White House, as well as his endorsement of the IRA atrocity at the Brighton hotel. Greenstein now extends the list to the leadership of the Republican Party, New Labour’s cabinet “and any other warmongers I can think of.” Thus Greenstein’s “anarchist wishful thinking” encompasses the mass murder of the entire democratically elected leadership of America and Britain, and, apparently, anyone at all who supported the Iraq war. That would presumably include everyone from Iraqi voters who support Coalition forces to those he has elsewhere described as “the racist warmongers of Harry’s Place”!
Greenstein’s troubles go beyond allegations of serious criminal conduct and the exposure of his “wishful thinking” about terrorism. While coping with the tedium of his own blog, he faces the humiliation of a spoof blog by a supporter of Atzmon. The unidentified blogger has even started posting videos mocking a certain “Mony Gripstein” and his comrade, the irreplaceable Roland Rance.
Watching the farce of the Jewish anti-Zionists, you may think that the lunatics have taken over the asylum. I prefer to say that the clowns are now running the circus.
Comments
| 8 May 2008, 11:52 am |
A plague on both their houses Mikey, as you said on an Engage post recently.
It must be such an extremely tiring existence being Tony Greenstein, being ‘attacked’ as he is by both the anti-semitic anti-zionist ‘left’ and the ‘zionists’ on the other flank.
More to the point where do Greenstein and Rizzo et al get their time to run such time consuming personal battles? Don’t they have jobs or something?
| 8 May 2008, 12:14 pm |
You missed a keyword: “mental health”.
| 8 May 2008, 3:18 pm |
This spoof blog Mikey mentions is the best thing since cheese blintz! I see she links to Harry’s Place as a saviour of the world too!! Wow, Auntie Zina is one provocative lady. I truly thought it was an authentic zionist blog till I read deeper. She seems to be a relative of Tony Greenstein though, not a supporter of Atzmon as such. And those clips are damn good. Nu shein, Rance and Greenstein must be climbing the walls!
| 8 May 2008, 3:22 pm |
mikey, hold on here. AWL has not rallied to Greensteins defence, except on the issue of him being banned from posting on Indymedia. In fact in a sign of how f.cked up the world of official anti-zionism is, on his blog Greenstein accuses the AWL article of being part of a zionist plot to discredit him.
As far as I’m concerned Tony can slug it out with Atzmon to his heart’s content, particularly if attendence at court keeps them both out of everyones way for an extended period.
| 8 May 2008, 3:28 pm |
You know, I had a conversation with Tony Greenstein when he got banned from Indymedia. I was shocked that he bothered with me, but I don’t think he came off so well.
| 8 May 2008, 3:49 pm |
Martin,
Firstly, I should like to thank Alliance for Workers’ Liberty for hosting the “debate” Paul Bogdanor and I had with Tony Greenstein on your site. For those interested in seeing Greenstein’s twists and turns exposed and have time on their hands, I do suggest reading the comments section of the post. Secondly, in my defence, the post was headed, “Defend Tony Greenstein!”
| 8 May 2008, 4:22 pm |
Yeah, not only does Gilad have a Think Tank that he is one of the editors of together with myself and Haitham Sabbah, but Tony’s attempts to censor my blog, which he is very proud of, have backfired royally.
http://www.peacepalestine.org is back, as well as there being a new blog that took up where the censored one (This was Google and Blogger’s doing, but with the blessing and help of TG) left off.
Haven’t seen this site in a while… liked the old format better, but change sometimes is a good thing.
| 8 May 2008, 4:23 pm |
Where did Gilad Shalit go? Are you no longer calling for the release of this human being?
| 8 May 2008, 4:34 pm |
Mary Rizzo and Gilad Atzmon as thinkers?- Would that duo be comparable to Einstein and Freud?
| 8 May 2008, 4:38 pm |
No, we are tankers. (getting ready for the comment, “no they are wankers”.)
| 8 May 2008, 4:48 pm |
You said it Mary – not me.
| 8 May 2008, 5:11 pm |
who doesn’t wank now and then? Those who claim they don’t are liars.
Are you playing Send in the Clowns in the background (or wasn’t that a Babs number?)
| 8 May 2008, 5:31 pm |
Actually Mary, I am listening to this.
However, if you really want some Streisand, you can watch it in the safety of the Atzmon support blog. that you have promoted on your own site.
| 8 May 2008, 5:45 pm |
I have to say, Mossad’s psi-ops department are doing VERY well these days!
Nice work Mary/Gilad!
| 8 May 2008, 6:28 pm |
There’s something odd about Mary Rizzo’s comments on HP. She seems slightly obsessed:
who doesn’t wank now and then? Those who claim they don’t are liars.
Last year she wrote:
gag fetish
Gag Law
comparing **** sizes, a typically male activity
90 year old virgin
insert… can I use that word?
how did that fuck get through
I couldn’t say where to insert Gilad (politically… of course)
take it any way you want
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2007/03/19/gilad_atzmon_and_jewishness.php
Can you explain Mary?
| 8 May 2008, 8:14 pm |
And who’s the old duck with the bleary etes you have lobbed across the top of the blog now, btw? david t with a hangover?
| 8 May 2008, 8:16 pm |
indeed… I think i prefered the visage of Gilad Shalit. What, has he been fed to the swine now, David?
| 8 May 2008, 10:02 pm |
Mary, while you’re here making a fool of yourself – why is your blog so clotted with comments from Holocaust deniers while you sweep away other comments you disagree with?
And when will your blog finally allow anyone to mention the embarrassing fact that Atzmon has been effectively no-platformed from Indymedia?
| 8 May 2008, 10:21 pm |
rizzocutter what’s your real name, Josef Fritz? Who on earth collects someone elses ‘naughty words’ only to regurgitate them years later like someone with Tourettes by proxy?
Hey, by the way, the divine & collated curses of Mary Rizzo reminded me of the following peom by Jack Kurouac entitled Pull My Daisy
Bone my shadow
dove my dream
start my halo bleeding
Milk my mind &
make me cream
drink me when you’re ready
Hop my heart on
harp my height
seraphs hold me steady
Hip my angel
hype my light
lay it on the needy
Rob my locker
lick my rocks
leap my cock in school
Rack my lacks
lark my looks
jump right up my hole
Whore my door
beat my door
eat my snake of fool
Craze my hair
bare my poor
asshole shorn of wool
| 8 May 2008, 10:32 pm |
Goodwin for the love of God come up with a different line. It’s tedious beyond endurance. If you want to read text that has been doctored by the Greenstein school of free speech then just stop visiting Mary’s growing empire of Palestinian solidarity sites.
And if you ever saw Gilad perform Arti Fishal & the Promised Band you’d realize he is completely impervious to embarassment
| 8 May 2008, 11:24 pm |
Do tell, HP-ers….This pair of baggy bloodshot eyes at the top of your new-look blog, david, who is that dude? Are you trying say Liberty, whatever it is, is the right to drink whatever you like and as much of it as you like for 40 years, and still somehow be lauded by the clowns at HP??? :)
| 8 May 2008, 11:37 pm |
Hrmm. Mary makes a haven for Holocaust deniers, yet I’m ‘tedious’ for pointing it out. Once again ‘peace’ turns out to be a paper thin concept for Mary and the Atzmonites.
| 9 May 2008, 12:49 am |
This thread is fucking weird.
| 9 May 2008, 1:02 am |
This thread is fucking weird.
Indeed. Any thread that draws in the Rizzo/Atzmon element always makes me feel the need to take a shower. There’s something weird going on with these people beyond mere obsessive hatred of self-identified Jews. Best to give them a wide berth.
| 9 May 2008, 2:46 am |
Gene dear boy, you’ve got to make showering a daily habit. You’re not nice to be near. Old Mrs Rubenstein confided to me that she and all five of her daughters have been giving YOU a wide berth for years. And while you’re about it, give yourself a bit of a douche and brush your teeth, for god’s sake.
| 9 May 2008, 8:41 am |
Well, I thoroughly enjoyed the post and the thread. There isn’t enough humour on HP.
| 9 May 2008, 9:56 am |
Thanks Josh.
But I do agree the thread is a bit weird. But it is not as weird as the spoof blog that has a new video up.
| 9 May 2008, 10:48 am |
Mikey my sweet, I happened to see the discreet advert you posted last week. Stop with the fear already, there are solutions to restoring what you have lost. Go directly to this link:
| 9 May 2008, 12:24 pm |
And Mikey, it wasn’t nice to hurt Auntie Ziona’s feelings. What, you don’t call, you don’t visit, and now you call her an Atzmond supporter? Have you forgotten who fed you when you were hungry?
http://azvas.blogspot.com/2008/05/has-harrys-place-abandoned-gilad-shalit.html
I assume the above comment is from a fake Flanker and will be deleted.
On a different note, there is an update. Gilad Atzmon has launched .. wait for it… a think tank!