Harry’s Place

Clinton would be a nightmare VP candidate for Obama. He won’t want her breathing down his neck if he wins.

Much more realistic is to pension her off with Senate leadership.

Unfortunately for the Democrats, their perfect ticket would have had Obama as the VP. That, whoever they would have had as the presidential candidate, would have crushed McCain.

Totally impossible to get him to do that now, though.

Gordon, it’s over.

As for Clinton as Obama’s VP candidate– I suppose I could live with it, if that’s what he decides, but I don’t see it happening.

Clinton/Obama would have been a workable ticket, if the bargain had been struck earlier. Obama would have been quicker to accept the inferior role. Obama probably thinks, correctly in my view, that Clinton would be a hazard to him as Vice-President, drawing power from his office and making life difficult.

I say that as a Clinton supporter.

The dream ticket only works the other way around. I can’t imagine Hillary taking vice, or Obama offering it. Why would Obama want Bill and Hill in the White house with him? It might undermine his authority like Cheney and Bush. And why would Hillary want to be subservient to a junior senator and also give up the chance of running again in four years if Obama loses this November?

I don’t think vice president will make too much difference with most voters anyway. You vote for the president, not the vice president.

As for why she is staying in. Firstly, it’s just in case some further revelation comes out about Obama that makes him unelectable - highly unlikely, but worth waiting few more weeks on the off chance. And I think she wants to win the popular vote so she can win a sort of moral victory even though she can’t win the nomination.

Well there are certainly preccedents that favor such a ticket.
In 1932, FDR chosed his leading rival, John Garner, the Speaker of House of Representatives as his running mate. In 1960, JFK chosed LBJ, whom he beaten for the nomination, as his Vice-President. A good choice because LBJ was the only southerner that could deliver the southern states and was still acceptable to northern Democrats. Without LBJ on the ticket there would have been no Camelot and Richard Nixon would have have gotten to the White House eight years earlier then he did.

Give VP Hillary “something meaty” to do. Let me guess, let Hillary screw up Health Care again and postpone needed reform for another generation? No thanks!

MacAuliffe is already touting his book about the campaign around.

Its over.

Yes, Hillary’s main hope really since winning Ohio and Texas was to win the popular vote and then the media and the super delegates would give the nomination to her out of fairness, especially after what happened in 2000. But there’s not a chance in hell that the media and super delegates will buy into that logic - which, it has to be said, wouldn’t be the case if the roles were reversed.

If the black candidate was behind in the technocratic party rules, but was on course to get the popular vote if Florida and Michigan were counted, and the party establishment were going on about their special procedures not allowing him to win, then we’d never hear the end of it. There would be outrage not just in America but across the globe at this disgraceful undemocratic way to select candidates.

Congrats to DavidT, the new father.

Barack Obama’s ideal running mate would be John Edwards as shown here - http://threescoreyearsandten.blogspot.com/2008/05/who-will-be-obamas-running-mate.html

Edwards didn’t do anything for Kerry’s ticket.

Teddy Kennedy to the fight all the way to the convention in 1980, desptie having even less hope. Ditto Ronald Reagan in 1976.

Getting her out of the race will be like shoving a cat it a shoe box. Not impossible, but perilous.

Kennedy TOOK the fight, I meant.

Meanwhile, this demands HP comment:

“For decades the national dish has been a staple meal on the national carrier.

But now British Airways has taken beef off the menu for economy passengers amid concerns about its “religious restrictions”.

The airline has instead switched to a fish pie or chicken dish option for the so-called “cattle class” passengers.

BA’s second-biggest long-haul market is to India, where the majority Hindu population do not eat beef because of their beliefs.”

Roast Beef Of Old England.

Possibility 4: She won’t give up because she feels she has a God-given right to the nomination, and has yet to wake up and smell the coffee….

I wonder what unfortunate accident would befall Obama if Hillary Clinton was his VP.

Why would she want to be VP anyhow? Since John Garner’s been mentioned remember he described the office as not worth a bucket of warm piss.

If Obama loses (and surely even Hillary would see the danger of sabotaging a ticket of which she is a junior member) it won’t exactly help her chances in 2012. If Obama wins she’ll be somewhat long in the tooth come 2016 and people might just be getting tired of her by then.

Better surely, for her, to seek the senate majority leadership and possibly some say over the VP nomination. (Some Clinton allies, such as Wesley Clark, would strengthen Obama anyhow.)

I’ve said this on HP before, but McCain is going to be vulnerable on so many counts – Iraq, age, character, his health, his temper, the Republican party’s unpopularity, his own unpopularity within that party. The fact Obama’s survived all that Clinton has thrown at him could even, in a perverse way, help him.

Ted Kennedy to Al Hunt:
*****”I don’t think it’s possible,” he told Hunt of the joint ticket, continuing that:

Obama should choose a running mate who “is in tune with his appeal for the nobler aspirations of the American people,” Kennedy said. “If we had real leadership — as we do with Barack Obama — in the No. 2 spot as well, it’d be enormously helpful.”*****

HAR!

Dirty secret: Obama wants HRC out, but not until after Kentucky and West Virginia vote. It would be embarassing if she doesn’t campaign and the clingy hayseeds vote for her anyway.

if as many suggest she can not win …

I think it’s fair to say that the primary contest has developed not necessarily to Senator Clinton’s advantage.

Will somebody get the shepherd’s hook and yank her off the stage already!!!

Gene, never say die! Edwards doesn’t have any pull or leverage with the blue collar or female vote. What is Obama going to do about that? Lose probably.

It’s very telling that Clinton’s initial massive lead in funds and in the polls has totally evaporated, and has led to her not even getting the popular vote (fyi Gordon, ‘almost’ having fifty percent of the popular vote means you’re losing, not winning as you imply)

Obama would be crazy to have that destructive careerist anywhere near his administration if he wins.

Chris Rock said it well: ‘I think America’s ready for a woman president, but does it really have to be *that* woman?’

Gene, that was surprisingly absolute of you. You’re normally so mild-mannered and nice (in the best possible way). But you are entirely right.

This issue seems to drag on and on. It strikes me that, now, really, the interests of the party are facilitated by an immediate Obama victory.

And I say that not as an Obama supporter. I wish Hillary had got it, but, sadly, that didn’t happen.

And it’s not going to happen now is it?

Hillary should pull out and stop damaging the Democratic Party. I have no idea how Obama will fare, and he wasn’t my candidate, but hopefully he will win in November.

If I was American, I would be seeking a speedy resolution in favour of Obama. He should be the next President.

I wanted Hillary, but she is now being profoundly reckless.

Let’s have a Democrat President. And that can’t be Hillary.

Let us hope that this ‘dream ticket’ comes about. Victory for McCain would be assured.

“Wake up and smell the coffee” - could this be the silliest little modish cliche of all time?