Harry’s Place

I’ve become accustomed to high standards of accuracy here, so i can’t help asking in response to the second sentence, surely Andrew Anthony?

It’s good to see Anthony enter the polemical arena once more.

Heh when HP come after you you know you’re doing something right! :P

George

If the fellow insists on having two first names, then I can’t be blamed for getting them mixed up!

Leon:

No, absolutely not. I usually make a point of not disagreeing with Sunny, even when I think he has got things wrong. But this is just too funny!

” This kind of thing is standard these days if you state your opposition to the idea that hitting 10-year-old girls is reasonable, that women are lesser beings then men, that killing homosexuals is wrong, that killing apostates is unacceptable, and that all Muslims supposedly hate the kuffar. ”

Things got a little mixed up there, didn’t they? Surely he meant to say he is opposed to the idea that killing homosexuals is *right*, that killing apostates is *acceptable*.

Sunny’s alright. It’s just that he has been exposed to too many self-loathing Brits, and has ended up adopting their attitudes.

Hundal is an imbecile. Anyone who spends that long each morning cultivating their facial hair is not to be taken seriously.

Grr. Please can we have a preview button

http://op-for.com/simpsons_nelson_haha2.jpg

“Things got a little mixed up there, didn’t they? Surely he meant to say he is opposed to the idea that killing homosexuals is *right*, that killing apostates is *acceptable*.”

Yeah, the trap that negatives in English can drop you into.

Glad though that Dispatches won its case. I heard it on Radio 4 Today this morning, but just a short item.

Then Humphrys/Humphries unmercifully kicked Gordon Brown - I’d much rather that Humphries inflicted his outraged disbelief and scepticism on the CPS and the police in this instance.

“Grr. Please can we have a preview button.”

There are no second thoughts permitted in this place.

Did Sunny call anyone a chimp here?

Sunny seems to think that he has to put distance between himself and decent/Eustonian opinion in order to fit into the liberal consensus. I think Conor Foley has the same problem. They are both decent people.

There are others who are much more pathological and bitter in this regard in the UK blogging commentating community.

The Commissioner of WM Police must now resign, (i) for exceeding police powers and (ii) perpetrating libel.

Sunny made up a load of rubbish about me too and then ran away. Here http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/karma_nabulsi/2007/02/earlier_this_week_i_went.html

Sunny: “The IJV don’t call for a destruction of Israel, which many hysterical opponents here keep insinuating. I’m just waiting for David Hirsh to turn up and start his broken record.”

Hirsh: “SunnyCloudy, why is it so difficult to relate to what I actually say, rather than to what you would like that I said? You imply here that my critique of IJV is that it calls for the destruction of Israel. That isn’t my critique, because it doesn’t call for the destruction of Israel. My critique is here:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/david_hirsh/2007/02/independent_voices.html

Or, a shorter version appears as a comment to Brian Klug’s last piece:

I think that there are two elements that are crucial to an adequate political response to the issues around which IJV is organised.

Firstly support for a just peace between Israel and Palestine. We need to stand in clear opposition to the occupation - and to the daily violence, racism and humiliation that is necessary to sustain it. We need to be part of a movement that will fight for - and find a way to help realize - an independent and free Palestinian state. So we should support those voices that fight for peace and that fight against the demonization of the other, in Israel and in Palestine.

The second element that is necessary for an adequate politics around IJV’s issues is a serious and uncompromising approach to contemporary antisemitism. IJV explicitly says that it opposes antisemitism. Yet it also raises the straw-man of “Zionist” power which dishonestly raises the question of antisemitism in order to de-legitimize criticism of Israeli human rights abuses.

There are people on both the “left” and the “right” who believe that there is a contradiction between being militant against Israeli human rights abuses and also against the danger of contemporary antisemitism - particularly that hatred of Jews which is made thinkable by the crescendo of commonsense discourses which paint Israel as a uniquely demonic force in the world.

The danger of IJV is that it seems to legitimize this view - that forces us to choose - between being serious about opposing contemporary antisemitism and being serious about opposing Israeli human rights abuses.

Of course this is a false choice. One should be serious about both.

The danger is that IJV will be taken as a Jewish “OK” for any and all anti-Zionist rhetorical excess.

Those of us who fight against contemporary antisemitism are becoming accustoned to the riposte, “well look at all the high profile and serious Jews who tell us that there is no problem, and who tell us that criticism of Israel is not antisemitic. They tell us that you are lying when you pretend to be concerned with contemporary antisemitism and that you are really just cynically covering for Israel’s child-killing and its global domination”.

This may be an entirely unwarranted reading of the IJV statement but it is nevertheless one way in which it is being read. IJV should take care to disallow this reading of its “Jewish Voices”.
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Your reply, SunnyCloudy, was to accuse me of lying and when I challenged you on this, you just remained silent.

I would ask people to read the discussion between me and SunnyCloudy in the Klug comments box here:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/brian_klug/2007/02/brian_klug.html#comment-425853

SunnyCloudy, the prerequisite for having a serious and open debate is to tell the truth about your opponents’ positions. If you are going to be taken seriously then you have to do that.”

Sunny: I didn’t accuse you of lying, but I do think you are dishonest in the way that Inayat Bunglwala is dishonest.

Firstly, it was no suprise for you to be scathing of IJV from day one. You raise the issue about anti-semitism as a means of shutting down debate in the way that groups like the MCB use ‘Islamophobia’ to shut down debate within and outside Muslim discourse.
IJV reject anti-semitism but that isn’t enough for you…. you want it to be elevated to a position where it makes the discussion of Israeli aggression impossible in the same way that many Muslim groups like the MCB / MPACUK use Islamophobia to divert attention from Muslim religious extremists.

Have you not noticed how MPAC have increasingly employed Engage rhetoric to play up Islamophobia and scream Islamophobic anytime someone starts questioning any of their policies. In the same way you don’t really want to question Israel’s policies.

You say that you stand against its aggression and the settlements but I await a proper article from you just criticising the country’s foreign policy and its enroachment on Palestinian land. Even during last year’s Lebanon war when over a 1000 innocent Lebanese were bombed by Israel, you could only muster an article saying that Israel felt under attack.

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/david_hirsh/2006/07/two_wars.html

So to be brutal I think you’re dishonest, like Bunglwala who keeps claiming he is for a two-state solution but never actually criticises Hamas. In the way that he says he’s against extremism but doesn’t have the balls to say it openly.
You keep telling us you’re for Palestinian self-determination but have trouble openly criticising Israel when current affairs require you to. You’re only willing to say something on the basis that ‘the other side’ extends a hand of friendship first, not because it is actually right.

Me on the other hand, I criticise people and highlight social issues because I think it is the right thing to do, not just when ‘the other side’ admit their faults. I self-criticise Asians regardless of the BNP threat because we should self-criticise. Because it is the right thing to do. Not because racists pat me on the back and not because I want to appease anyone. Because it is the right thing to do.

Hirsh: “Sunny Cloudy: “I didn’t accuse you of lying, but I do think you are dishonest…”

And what is the nature of my dishonesty?

“…You raise the issue about anti-semitism as a means of shutting down debate…”

And further:

“You say that you stand against its aggression and the settlements but I await a proper article from you just criticising the country’s foreign policy and its enroachment on Palestinian land.”

Sunny Cloudy, you do call me a liar. You allege that I raise the issue of antisemitism dishonestly and in bad faith in order to “shut down debate”. You allege that I pretend to be concerned about antisemitism but that really I am concerned to de-legitimize criticism of Israeli human rights abuses. Now provide some evidence or withdraw the serious and false allegation.

Your evidence seems to be that you think that I am the same as MPAC. This is hardly worthy of a serious response.

I wrote the following on the war in the summer:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/david_hirsh/2006/08/both_right_and_wrong.html

“Goldberg is right to condemn Israel for the pointless and bloody war in which it is currently engaged.”

And even in the very piece that you quote to demonstrate my failure to criticize the Isreli attack on the Lebanon, I write:

“…We’re on the side of the Palestinian struggle for independence…”

“Since before it even existed, Israel has been engaged in two wars with its neighbours. One is a just war, waged by Palestinian Arabs for freedom - which became a demand for Palestinian national independence; the other is a genocidal war that aims to end Jewish life in the Middle East.”

Sunny Cloudy - you have got your critique of me and of http://www.EngageOnline.org.uk wrong. When in a hole, stop digging.

Sunny: “”I wrote the following on the war in the summer:
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/david_hirsh/2006/08/both_right_and_wrong.html
“Goldberg is right to condemn Israel for the pointless and bloody war in which it is currently engaged.”"

This is why I think you’re dishonest. You don’t seem to be for stopping the war because a 1000 Lebanese got killed!?! You are against it because it’s pointless from Israel’s perspective! You keep telling us that you’re for Palestinian self-determination but you actually haven’t written an article ONLY criticising Israeli policy for blocking Palestinian self-determination. Maybe you can point me to one?

“When in a hole, stop digging.”

I’m not in hole David, I stand by what I said. Like I said you’re welcome to come and debate me openly or answer the points I raise. I’ll be happy to withdraw any criticism when I feel that you’re as critical of Israeli foreign policy and its murder of innocent Palestinian people as you are of Hamas etc.

etc etc

David T,

Aren’t you, well, a bit old, to use words like “pwned”? (I mean, I’m 32, and I consider myself way too geriatric even to come out with a “lol” here and there). You’re not gonna teach your kids that kind of language, are you?

(Of course, in the old days you could have reported me for making an agist comment to some aspect of the equal ops commission, who would issue ritual condemnations of the type that HP likes to come out with, but I imagine that the new mayor, as part of his ploy to Do Away With The Politics Of Fear will be abolishing such things as far as his remit permits)

ROTFLMAO

~*mentally takes away six years from Ven*~

(Peering over specs, horsehair wig, hand on gavel)

“What is pwned?”

Sonic uses it. I know what, just not why.

Well, I don’t f-ing well know either. I think DavidT must be hanging out with teenagers or something.

ha ha! I love the word ‘pwned’… oh and ‘fux0red’. As for this exchange, yeat its pretty funny, only because Andrew Anthony takes himself too seriously. I just wanted to wind him up because he’s such a pompous windbag asking everyone to read his book when he can’t even summarise it in three Observer essays.

World of Warcraft speak. I thought Venichka was about 75.

Being in his mid 30s doesn’t stop Sonic using the word.

I just wanted to wind him up because he’s such a pompous windbag asking everyone to read his book when he can’t even summarise it in three Observer essays.

No, Bunter. You stormed in with a load of unsubstantiated twaddle, and Quelchie smacked your botty good and hard.

World of Warcraft speak. I thought Venichka was about 75.

That’s terrible. He doesn’t look a day older than Van Morrison.

Did Sunny call anyone a chimp here?

*chortle*

Graham looks as though he’s in a boy band

“What is pwned?”

It comes from online gaming, and is aping the common misspelling of the word ‘owned’ as p is next to o on the keyboard. It was relatively common to see an excited teenager type ‘we pwned yr Team!!!1!!1!!1 lolzzzz!’ or similar, and as such it has stuck.

As always though, when people of my generation and up begin to use a word it’s already gone from teenage slang and l33t (elite) speak is no different. ‘Pwned’, ‘FTW’ (for the win) and ‘lolcatz’ will go the same way as ‘bling’ shortly enough, if they haven’t already. Also ‘booty’, there’s a diet advert on TV that uses that word in a way that actually makes my toes curl with embarrassment every time I see it.

I still imagine Graham as Yul Brynner (and Ven with eyes like Gimlet’s).

But what does “owned” mean?

“The Who” are technically a boy band, aren’t they?

When you’re older, Alec, and more experienced in the ways of the world (or at least know some Russian slang) you’ll understand

I suppose I should read more of Sunny, but it seems to be the usual standard liberal fair recycled. Perhaps I am being unfair. It seems he does come out with the occasional shocker. Gets a bit carried away, maybe. I haven’t gotten around to reading Andrew Anthony’s book, actually. Is it recommended?

I have to say I think some very serious questions should be asked of Bethan David and Anil Patani. This should in my view be a career-justifying matter. I am not given to over-vindictiveness (I’m sure some of you will disagree) and I’m certainly not given to trying to get people sacked, but this is far too important a matter to allow the relevant questions of bias and political motivation to be swept under the carpet for reasons of not wanting to be harsh. As a citizen I am inclined to question my confidence in their efficacy as public servants at the moment.

Isn’t “pwned” a word from leet? Bloody stupid idea, leet, if you ask me. (You may all mentally add 34 and a half years to whatever age you thought I was.)

Sunny is a lightweight and a dork.

But what does “owned” mean?

Owned

Get it? :D

owned

Crap!

Owned

Sunny: …takes himself too seriously… he’s such a pompous windbag…

This is a great comeback from Sunny, and it definitely doesn’t make him seem any more like a pompous, self-important windbag than his comments usually do. But then that’s probably what he was going for. It’s probably some advanced, form of structural irony that the rest of us don’t even realise is cool yet.

Sunny was cool before it was cool to be cool.

And he’s still cool (Cool doesn’t mean always right, does it?)

Has anyone read Melanie’s thing on this in her Spectator blog? I find it scary. Am I Islamophobic?

DavidHirsh - BORING!
You keep copying and pasting that exchange everywhere as if in evidence that I ran away after making “allegations” when in fact if anyone reads it through they’ll find I answered all the points you made. Get a life please. Or at least make a substantive point about something.

Steve M - whythangyou… ;)

Alec - “and Quelchie smacked your botty good and hard.”

oh man… that’s even more embarassing than using ‘pwned’ or ‘fux0red’.

Sunny wishes to be taken seriously, except when caught out he plays the “I’m just kidding around” card.

Lesson: Never confuse facial hair with intellect.

Is there a liberal consensus? If so that would explain the size of non-voting population.

“The Who” are technically a boy band, aren’t they?

haha (I’m actually releived you didn’t pick the Greatful Dead.)

‘Pwn’ is Welsh for ‘pack’, ‘bale’ or ‘burden’.

Used to have a look at Pickled Politics when it was fresh - then stopped when I realised that Sunny was still stuck in the junior common room when it came to level of debate. He’s about as coherent as that bloke AllyF on Cif - to be filed under well-meant mush.

Leave it out, Sunny, you’ll be telling me that I smell next. The main reason for our not thinking you were simply pulling Andrew Anthony’s chain about his book was that you gave diddily-squat indication of it but simply launched into a whining attempt to deflect attention from the matter that EVERYTHING WHICH HAS BEEN SAID AGAINST UNDERCOVER MOSQUE HAS BEEN REJECTED.

Whilst you’re certainly more agreeable than Daniel Davies, I and a lot of others have noticed that you didn’t respond to Andrew’s bodacious reply. Funny that. What did I say in the thread? Toad of Toad Hall on his little motorcar.

I just wanted to wind him up because,

Thank you. That is an admission that, far from engaging in a serious Internet discussion that you call on others to do, you were simply engaging in puerile name-calling and personal point scoring.

Damn it, can we have a Preview button?

Is Sonic really in his mid-30s? He and I have SO much in common.

If he’s the particular malevolent racist I think he is, Wardy, then yes.

You can ring him and find out if you like (or rather you can ring his sister), during one little spat he for some reason best known to himself sent me what he claimed was her phone number (don’t ask why - I never worked it out.)

Perhaps he was trying to set you up with her.

Seriously screwed-up boy.

Sunny “DavidHirsh - BORING!
You keep copying and pasting that exchange everywhere as if in evidence that I ran away after making “allegations” when in fact if anyone reads it through they’ll find I answered all the points you made. Get a life please. Or at least make a substantive point about something.”

As usual Sunny you don’t answer anything. No wonder so many people take the piss out of you. Hirsh showed how pathetic you were with your childish insults.

Andrew Anthony also showed how childish you were.

Sunny = The Emperor Has No Clothes.

But he has excellent facial hair.

Sunny, you just can’t stop getting it wrong. The Observer ran extracts from three chapters of my book.
I did not write three essays. The material from the chapters featured did not summarise other chapters, because they were about
different subjects. I know you’re not a fan of books, but is that really too much to understand?

The origins of this little spat, I believe, stem from your response to those extracts. Essentially, you disagreed with my argument that there was a left-liberal outlook which often appeased or ignored reactionary or totalitarian
views, and those who took exception to this ran the risk of being denounced as right-wing or racist. And you based your opinion on the fact that you never did such a thing. As I said at the time, good for you.

But lo and behold, David Edgar writes an essay denouncing me and - bizarrely - Ed Husain as pathological defectors going rightwards. We are not part of the liberal-left, according to Edgar, because we take exception to the reactionary and totalitarian tendencies of Islamist politics and its far-left apologists. Edgar is perfectly happy to stand alongside Stalinists and all manner of illiberal forces, but people like me are beyond the pale. And what’s your contribution? To come in and support Edgar with the observation: ‘Good piece David.’

Now you make a false accusation (re my support for the Iraq war), and when it’s exposed as such, you say it was a wind up because I’m a ‘pompous windbag’ (you must be very proud of your ad hominem debating skills). Well I like
a laugh as much as the next person, but there is a vital line between having and being a joke. And you just crashed over it. You’re asking not to be taken seriously. From here on, I’ll be only too pleased to
oblige that request.

Andrew, d’you have any explanation for the capricious deletions on your thread?

@ Andrew Anthony, you seem to make a habit out of spinning the truth…Edgar was actually talking about ‘defection literature’ and publishers obessions with this particular literary genre…he highlighted Ed Husains work as an example of this this (BTW i have read the Islamist and think its a good and important book)…

Also what kind of Stalinist does Edgar stand next to???

Also, do we get a similar kind of critique in regards the centre for social cohesions fabrication of evidence when it looked at extremism in British Mosques…? No, i thought not…

No, the moderation is a mystery to me. As I said in the piece, someone called me a ‘lying rightwing racist’ for defending Undercover Mosque against the police, and that was allowed to stand. So I don’t know. Back to work . . . on a profile of Alex Ferguson. Know any good anecdotes?

Saeed, I really do have to work, so last comment. You confuse the Centre for Social Cohesion with the Policy Exchange think tank. You might want to have a look at your approach to research . . .

Saeed, answering a question with a question is usually a sign that you cannot answer the original question. Edgar is a playwright who believes the world to be a stage in one of his plays.

Now, your turn. Please address Undercover Mosque.

I bloody hate football (and St Mirren ain’t too fond of him). As for CiF, it’s almost as if they’ve been threatened. At least the revolting stevejones123 was censored.

Sunny, admitting to arguing in bad faith, as Andrew
Anthony has pointed out, is simply asking not to be taken seriously. It’s an odd thing to do when you might have engaged with something he wrote that you actually disagreed with. A reasonable person might conclude that as well as lying about Andrew Anthony, you also lied about your motives for doing so in order to save face, but that you’re far too thick to realise what’s obvious to everyone else: that you’ve just been intellectually humiliated.

I know you’ve been told this before, but you’d be a better man and perhaps taken a little more seriously if you learned to acknowledge when you’re factually incorrect, rather than lying your way out of it. You may be helpless in the face of your own stupidity, but your dishonesty is elective.

“there is a vital line between having and being a joke”

This is the best line of the thread. I shall have to remember that one and mercilessly pass it off as my own in future.

Ben, I considered writing exactly what you did. It is a perfectly brutal riposte.

TJ, you’re one about the elective nature of dishonesty was good.

Lesson: Never confuse facial hair with intellect.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

How fucking true.

The Sunny Hundal School of Media Philosophy takes another hit.

The man with the “most punchable face in the blogosphere” wrote recently of his desire to join Obama’s campaign.

Given the media are now actually interested in Obama’s actual policies rather than glib assertions of his standing for “hope” or “change”, it strikes me that the acquisition of woolly liberal Sunny Hundal, a man who claims he “needs more political experience”, would do little but boost the McCain camp.

And his hit-and-run with David Hirsh isn’t a one-off. Did noone see him make a complete dick of himself in an argument with Norm Geras a while back? I was embarrassed to read it to be honest. Almost as funny as the Kamminator demolishing VivaLasChevasBertram over the past few days.

Links if I could be arsed, but you’ll find ‘em if you can type “pair of twunts” into google.

Oh and unsurprisingly Sunny’s come out batting for Hari after his god-awful hatchet job on Israel.

His disdain for combatting antisemitism is really starting to smell like shit now.

The goateed cunt is worse than I thought. His “I was only joking” defence is shite - he would do better to say “I’m a vacuous media whore who’s pig-ignorant” - at least we could all agree on that point.

De-link the wannabe Kos.

Andrew Anthony:
“The origins of this little spat, I believe, stem from your response to those extracts. Essentially, you disagreed with my argument that there was a left-liberal outlook which often appeased or ignored reactionary or totalitarian views, and those who took exception to this ran the risk of being denounced as right-wing or racist. And you based your opinion on the fact that you never did such a thing. As I said at the time, good for you.”

Oh I love the way you try and twist that one. Your arguments were taken apart pretty brutally in the comments because you kept telling us that one had to read the book to find out an argument you couldn’t summarise in that huge essay.

Not only did you completely misunderstand and misrepresent left-wing liberalism, you also tried to tie it with some stupidity on the hard-left through some verbal gynmnastics.

There will always be some opportunistic fringe groups on the left who will do stupid things anyway. Trying to make that into a book by saying that it was part of a broader liberal-left outlook was not only boring (hard-right wingers have been saying the same for ages. You’re just a lamer version of Ann Coulter or Bill O’Reilly) but intellectually dishonest.

And you got slaughtered in the comments of a website that is infested with right-wing trolls.

“You’re asking not to be taken seriously. From here on, I’ll be only too pleased to oblige that request.”

That doesn’t bother me at all.

“Edgar is perfectly happy to stand alongside Stalinists and all manner of illiberal forces, but people like me are beyond the pale.”

Bloody hell, you do really have a problem with reading and understanding don’t you. And you have the audacity of accusing others of being dishonest.

Goatee’d cnuts may be quite appealing. Even before the 1557 hrs post, Sunny had started coming across as little more than Kevin the Teenager with Internet access.

As a bibliophobe, the distinction between essay and extract is obviously lost on you, so I won’t bother explaining it again. You make a false accusation, get caught out, lie about your motivation, and then accuse me of intellectual dishonesty. I note that you’ve got a post up at Commentisfree lecturing on ‘dishonesty’ and ‘hypocrisy’ and ‘twisting facts’. Have you no shame or embarrassment? Edgar considers Tony Benn, who rates Chairman Mao ‘as the greatest man of the 20th century’, George ‘the collapse of the Soviet Union was the biggest catastrophe of my life’ Galloway and all the other fans of authoritarians and totalitarians on the left, as part of a broad ‘progressive’ alliance, along with Azzam ‘it’s a hoax to cover up what’s going on in Lebanon’ Tamimi and co. By contrast, because I oppose such sentiments, I am a ‘defector’. It’s a simple point. You don’t even have to read a book to get it. But I understand why you resort to the adolescent tactic of comparing me to screaming right-wingers like Ann Coulter (why don’t you have done with it and shout ‘Fascist!’): you want to divert from the humiliation of being exposed as a joke. But, really Sunny, you’re just compounding the problem. You know what you have to do to be taken seriously. Go on, you’ll feel better afterwards.

This is what I think the following contributors and regulars at HP look like:

David T: a British Jerry Garcia

Graham: the twin of Richard Dawkins

Vernichka: Bill Nighy

Gene: Ted Kazinsky (aka the unibomber)

Sue R: a seventies-style, sandal-wearing, peasant dress sporting geek professor’s wife

Morgoth: some evil being that would be in the shadows of a Lord of the Rings movie

Wardytron: a hobbit

Boogski: a booger

Flanker: Andy Sumner

John Palubiski: Stalin

Brett: a blonde-haird, blue-eyed California boy

mesquito: Bono wearing bug shades from “The Fly”

Alec Macpherson: a Celtic chieftain

TheIrie: a leprachan

Nick: Nic Robertson, CNN correspondent

Brownie: a labrador retriever

You are almost completely right but have however confused Wardy with Ven.

Although David T….does not look anything like Jerry Garcia.

Andrew, is this a new post by Sunny? Where?

Alec, it’s a column on Commentisfree. Entitled, unfortunately, Hand of Stupidity

Very odd, I couldn’t find it via his profile or the CiF front page. Found it through a google.

“You know what you have to do to be taken seriously.”

Where to start?

“You make a false accusation, get caught out, lie about your motivation, and then accuse me of intellectual dishonesty.”

I didn’t lie about my motivation - I really do think you’re a pompous twat and frankly its a waste of my time to even engage you intellectually when you have trouble making sense of some pretty straight-forward articles. I’m not going to bother even asking for a retraction just because you’ve accused me of lying. I know it might hurt your little ego to think I made a fly-by comment just because I think you’re you’re wasting everyone’s time, but that is exactly what I did.

“why don’t you have done with it and shout ‘Fascist!”

Because I’m not as predictable and lame as you. That’s your job, remember?

“You know what you have to do to be taken seriously.”

As I’ve already pointed out, I don’t want to be taken seriously by yourself, or in the comments section of HP. Please don’t make the mistake of taking yourself too seriously. The people I want to take me seriously already do. That’s all that matters. You don’t.

Of course you don’t want to engage intellectually. In the same way that Posh Spice doesn’t want to play football. You’ve spent the better part of a year slagging me off, and when you’re confronted, you dissemble like a self-righteous Peeping Tom with his dick out. You remain a joke. Only without a punchline. You just go on and on.

For some reason, this came to mind.

Jesus lads, calm down…

Such a shame this is going off the front page, especially as Sunny is now adv