Harry’s Place

Sorry, David, it is the left and liberals that constitute the overwhelming majority of anti-Semites nowadays.

A new low for this site, not only are the logical fallacies your patented cliche, but now these fallacies are based one hearsay and unreliable sources. Has this weblog existed in the 1950’s you would have no doubt have quoted Mccarthy to attack Counterpunch.

Well done neocons.

Right, left. Doesn’t mean much.

It’s what you do not what you say that counts.

The views of the far right and left seem to be overlapping a lot these days. For example, 2 contributers to Harry’s place, John Palubiski and Graham, both hold views common to the nazis. John believes that people from Istanbul are liberal, and Anatolians are fundamentalist muslim because of their race. Graham compared Chinese women to dogs several times, Perhaps HP should clean out their own house.

Is Tagnuzlsx insane? Anyone know?

You are all insane, so I guess you could be technically correct.

Not insane, no - but prone to lying about what people say when he loses an argument.

(Suffice it to say that neither Graham nor John Palubiski have said the things they are claimed to have said).

Well you’ve seen both the threads where they made the racist comments, yet apparantly I am insane for stating the obvious. This denial of the obvious that many HP contributers seem to enjoy doing is common in cults. You seem even more cult like than you accuse the RCP of being.

Yes, Flanker, and your theory that Bush had his ‘Reichstag’ burned on 9/11 stands up to scrutiny, doesn’t it?

It is amazing isn’t it, that somebody could deny that a magazine that publishes the writings of neo Nazis is not a neo Nazi magazine.

Mark T is deliberately forgetting quotes from JP and Graham. Obviously he is making stuff up when he loses an argument.

let’s not forget “Who is Eric Walberg?”
http://www.hurryupharry.org/2007/04/28/who-is-eric-walberg/

and this filth:

“Though not a “Holocaust denier”, Guigue is suffering a similar fate as his fellow anti-Zionists who are prosecuted under the anti-Holocaust denial laws, currently on the books in 12 European countries. The most notorious victims of these laws are writers David Irving and Ernst Zundel, who were jailed for questioning the extent of the death toll of Jews during WWII and the insistence that the Nazis had a plan to kill all Jews (Roma, homosexuals and Communists are forgotten in the brouhaha) as opposed to ethnically cleansing Europe. “

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=8432

watch out, a very dodgy site

So Mark T, why do you feel the need to go on like a broken record showing up Flanker’s supposed gaffes (which looks suspiciously taken out of context, but start blustering and going into denial when I show up the openly racist frothings of JP and Graham

Graham compared Chinese women to dogs several times, Perhaps HP should clean out their own house.

He did no such thing, and only the stupidest person alive, or the most dishonest, would claim that he did.

Tagnulsx, which are you?

but start blustering and going into denial when I show up the openly racist frothings of JP and Graham

Going into denial?

Why don’t you provide some quotes where Graham ‘compared Chinese women do dogs’.

Then I can deny them.

Until then, fuck off.

Extreme Right and Extreme Left frequently meet and embrace each other, especially concerning, to use a phrase from the 19th Century, the Jewish Question.

“It is amazing isn’t it, that somebody could deny that a magazine that publishes the writings of neo Nazis is not a neo Nazi magazine.”

Lets forget the fallacy for a sec, (I could probably put you a few degrees from neonazis as well). Could you prove that he is a neo-nazi David T? or are you just assuming he will never read this and never sue you guys for libel?

Thought so, see ya.

Oh dear oh dear!

Mad as a hatter!

So Mark T, why do you feel the need to go on like a broken record showing up Flanker’s supposed gaffes (which looks suspiciously taken out of context, but start blustering and going into denial when I show up the openly racist frothings of JP and Graham

I always bring up Flanker’s “gaffe” because he is stupidly unwilling to either retract or explain it. I’d love to hear his context, but he won’t provide it.

For the recod, Flanker said that 9-11 was “Bush’s Reichstag.”

David T,

has HP got a RCP/Institute of Ideas stalker in the form of “Tagnuzlsx”??

it seems strange that someone like Tagnuzlsx, would try to defend Flanker’s rather dodgy stuff,?

then again I’m sure if Tagnuzlsx looks up that old David Irving thread, with Flanker bending over backwards to stick up for Irving, he’ll be happy?

it is funny how some of these creepy ex-Lefties feel compelled to defend neo-Nazi scum?

Then why do you support your dictators? I mean Bush was one when he lost the popular vote and had his Reichstag burned.

I’ll admit that is quite a gaffe by Flanker, but I’d be interested to know precisely what ‘context’ will make that sentence look any better than it does to any sane observer.

And I always bring up JP’s and Graham’s gaffes because they are stupidly unwilling to either retract or explain them, but instead go into denial and bluster, much like Neo-Nazis do when confronted with evidence of the Holocaust

Where’s Flanker?

And I always bring up JP’s and Graham’s gaffes

No you don’t.

You just assert that they are racists.

And then when challenged to provide quotes that prove they are racists, you just repeat the assertion.

Graham doesn’t post much anymore since Labour high command put him in charge of the Crewe byelection strategy.

Incidentally, the only reason I bring up Flanker’s ‘faux-pas’ when he appears here is the simple amusement of watching him disappear from the thread.

“Where’s Flanker?”

Why, you miss me?

I am still waiting for the evidence of neonaziness.

If Tagnuzlsx could ever back up what he says with a quote I would know what I was supposed to be retracting!

Strange for a strong supporter of Srebenica denial to be accusing others of bering holocaust deniers as well isn’t it Tag?

Just kidding, Graham.

Never mind that - where’s the cheque for the Crewe campaign?

Erm, I don’t deny the Srebrenica massacre happened. I just read spiked-online and agree with most of what they say.

Apparantly that’s enough to get it called a cult by HP idiots, who then go on to deny openly racist comments by their contributors. In a rather cult-like manner to be honest.

Apparantly that’s enough to get it called a cult by HP idiots, who then go on to deny openly racist comments by their contributors.

It’s a little hard to deny a comment when you won’t provide an example, though, isn’t it?

You liar.

Is David T getting legal council or something? because I rather not wait tonight for an answer, perhaps he can email it to me.

Tagnuzlsx

Since arriving here you have stalked Mettaculture. Offended several contributers and called me a racist without producing the slightest evidence.

Are you some sort of bot sent by Crooked Timber to test our tolerance levels?

You liar.

I agree. Go sit with Flanker, Tag.

When you come up with the (alleged) comments, you can come back and sit at the big table with the grown-ups.

Are you some sort of bot sent by Crooked Timber to test our tolerance levels?

If he is, I think you failed the test.

After all, you didn’t ‘fuck off’ from your own website when told to. You pig!

No no you can’t call me a pig - someone will be offended (pigs probably!)

maybe Tagnuzlsx is Eric Walberg?

I doubt Tagnuzlsx will be able or willing to provide any links to back up his silly accusations?

if not, he’s best ignored and treated like Flanker’s dumber brother.

Well if Graham is running this website, and he believes that Chinese women are dogs, and they tolerate Palubiski who thinks Anatolians are genetically inferior and are fundamentalists because of this, then I worry very much about this place.

Perhaps it is a front for a fascist group.

Don’t feed the trolls people - Flanker-wanker and Tagnuz (Walberg) are here only to degrade and divert the discussion with falsehoods.

Modernity has provided quite enough evidence of the neo-Nazi tendencies of Counterpunch’s contributors. How much do you want to bet that the above trolls post there too?

I don’t need to provide links guys, you have them on the front page of your website.

“Tagnuzlsx is Eric Walberg”

Nope

“Are you some sort of bot sent by Crooked Timber to test our tolerance levels?”

Nope, I have already breached that a long time ago. You people are cult-like

I just find it great fun provoking you uptight idiots. It’s so easy to do.

From Jones’ article.

The Masonic lodges, Skull and Bones fraternities, the Jewish ‘race’ itself are just foils in this march of world capitalism, gathering in like-minded wanabes as it makes its final push for total control. It is somehow fitting that the once reviled Jew should sit one day on the world’s golden throne surrounded by his neocon minions.

Filthy, filthy scum. Are you really comfortable defending this garbage trolls?

Graham

“Chinese women are like dogs”

JP

“Anatolian people are fundamentalist muslims because they are genetically inferior”

Filthy, Filthy scum. Are you really comfortable defending this garbage HP cultists.

old labour is right, ignore Tagnuzlsx just another annoying kid.

Of course I am paraphrasing…a little

But nobody listens to old labour nowadays LOL

Well, David T’s a lawyer. He then must know the difference between simply stating that a magazine is “Neo Nazi”, without qualification, as in the “scary” headline, and noting that some articles are written by unsavoury people.

The former implies the magazine is run by neo-nazis and exclusively publishes neo-nazi content, yes that would be tad scary; however, the latter is probably more true, but is really boring, and doesn’t make a good headline.

Well, it’s diverting watching well-educated lawyers practicing the lower end of tabloid journalism on blogs; they can’t afford to do it anywhere else!

(I must note, at this point, following David T’s nostrum on what is or isn’t “Neo-Nazi”, or “fascist” - or any other really nasty appellation - we must start labeling the Guardian a “fascist newspaper”.)

You sure are all parsy tonight, Benjamin. Would you agree that Mr. Walberg’s anti-semitism is well-documented and vicious?

I know what counter-punch is, but I don’t go there expecting to see swastikas. I do see, however, one of the purer expressions of left-wing paranoia and Jew hatred.

Mesquito

Yes, I guess Walberg is one of those obscure and irrelevant figures that HP likes to get irate about, and an element in the game of join the dots, smear by association, even vague and vicarious association, a la Sean Hannity v. Barack Obama. No, no, I don’t knock it. This is indeed a fun game!

But, to take it seriously, for a moment at least, one has to ascertain the homogeneity of the movement in question (be it antiwar, the left in general, “anti-globalist”, the Cairo Conference etc) , the extent to which they are monolithic.

You sure are all parsy tonight, Mesquito. Would you agree that Graham’s Sinophobia and JP’s hatred of all things non-white is well-documented and vicious?. If you don’t agree then why are you lying

“Does anybody here still seriously want to argue that Counterpunch is not a magazine of the far Right?”

It cant be far Right if it is neo-Nazi.

In their 1933 manifesto the National Socialist Party said “We are socialists and mortal enemies of the capitalist system”.

Ergo, the nazis were far-Left.

When David uses “right wing” in this way, it’s name-calling. The idea that a person or group moves further and further to the left, then suddenly whips off to the opposite extreme of the political spectrum, is fatuous.

But there’s no point getting too deeply involved in debating this; you can’t reason people out of an idea they didn’t reason into.

Ergo, the nazis were far-Left.

Ah, my head hurts.

The HP line is that sections of the left (basically the bits outside main parties, or even a few people inside the main parties) are really quite right wing, and the Decent left (various well behaved types) are the real left. Okay, I hope you are following me so far…

However, if the Nazis (the most evil fascists ever, I am sure you agree) were actually far left… that means, ummmm…. wait on…. let me think that one over.

When David uses “right wing” in this way, it’s name-calling.

Ah hah, Mr. Risdon! Your hurt comment rather indicates that you identify with the right. Of course, any accusations that really nasty people are left wing would not ring any bells in your mind; i.e. that would not be “name-calling”, oh no! :-)

The thing with the “name-calling” game is that it entirely dependent on what side you identify with. For example, if you support Obama, then if he’s called an extremist, of “friends with extremists”, that’s name-calling. If you support McCain, you would say that McCain “100 years in Iraq”, or “McCain-Bush” is name-calling.

In their 1933 manifesto the National Socialist Party said “We are socialists and mortal enemies of the capitalist system”.

Oh come on, they all say that. Didn’t stop the Nazis killing other “enemies of the capitalist system”: communists, socialists and the like.

There are several problems with the Nazis were lefties argument: 1. the Nazis, in power, were not radical economically, as they practiced a form of Keynesianism, as did (or do) many governments on the left and right - it was Tricky Dicky who said “we are all Keynesians now”. 2. Their extreme nationalism, race and blood stuff was not particularly a feature of the left. 3. They had numerous enemies on the left; it could be argued that those on the left suffered just as much as anyone else under the Nazis.

Having said that, it would be unfair to too strongly associate the Nazis with the right either. I think totalitarianism can grow out of both right and left.

Hello Benji, weary, rather than hurt. I don’t identify with the right. My politics are what used to be called left-wing, before Marxism. I think power corrupts and want to limit it, unlike the contemporary right and left which want it to be unlimited and in their hands. I value freedom, liberty - the root of the word Liberal - in personal, social and economic affairs.

In other words, I’m in a minority of one. But this name-calling isn’t a personal affront, it’s an intellectual one.

Does anybody here still seriously want to argue that Counterpunch is not a magazine of the far Right?

er, yeah. it isn’t. publishing a lone contributor who David T thinks is far right, based on questionable evidence, doesn’t make the entire magazine ‘of the far right’.

HP publishes Oliver Kamm, a man who has supported the right-wing candidate in every election since he started writing his blog.

does that make HP ‘of the right’?

Re Nazis, Benji:

1. Keynes is associated far more strongly with left than right.

2. Factions of the left choose the hatred on which to base their communitarian politics - one of class, race or nation normally.

3. Having enemies on the left is hardly unknown, for those on the left. The comments here prove that point; examples from revolutionary societies would just be labouring the point.

Oh come on, they all say that. Didn’t stop the Nazis killing other “enemies of the capitalist system”: communists, socialists and the like.

Didn’t stop Stalin killing Trots or Trotsky killing anarchists either.

Factions of the left choose the hatred on which to base their communitarian politics

I am sure right wing people can hate people too. It’s not unknown.

The Nazis were communitarian? Blimey, has anyone told Amitai Etzioni?

“… right wing people can hate people too…” Sure. The whataboutery in this discussion is in your capable hands, not mine. The point about the left stands.

I’m not sure you understand what communitarianism is.

In other words, I’m in a minority of one.

Mmmm. There are two ways to take this comment.

You are either a very extreme libertarian; logically, in that position, you end up as a minority of one, perhaps in log cabin in Wyoming. :-)

Or.. you are being a tad precious…

I’m not sure you understand what communitarianism is.

Well, its a long, rather horrible word.

I thought it had something to do with Amitai Etzioni? I heard a speech by him once; I decided that he was far too boring to be a Nazi.

I’m a Liberal, in the classical sense. Some people of similar mind have called themselves libertarian, including me as it happens, but I have serious differences with other strands that have merged into modern libertarianism - often it has just become a fig-leaf for deeply reactionary small-government Tories. For example, and I find this very funny, some of those who have formed a Libertarian Party in the UK are monarchists and one, in all seriousness, proposes extending the power of the Crown.

I’m a republican, of course, as were all Liberals once.

The minority of one line was not meant literally, but suggested that my views are an uncommon combination, nowadays.

Can’t Benjamin be banned, please? He cheapens every subject he comments upon, and in this case it is the Holocaust.
Why is he allowed to post again?

Flanker: you are an idiot and a neonazi sympathizer. The latter doesn’t involve much effort if you are the former.

Benji hasn’t been banned yet on the new HP, has he. Anyway, Tagnuzlsx is far more obnoxious. I mean, if Benji was drowning I’d save him; if it was Tagnuzlsx I’d throw stones.

Should I bother explaining the issues round fascism and the traditional political spectrum? Many readers will be pretty bored of my spiel by now I guess

Tagnuzlsx, perhaps you’d like to provide proof of Graham’s anti-Chinese racism rather than just repeat your slur - a direct quote, not a paraphrase, and a link is required.

If you can’t provide this, then retract your statement or go to hell.

As for John Pabluski, HPers and visitors like myself make no secret of our distaste for his Islamophobia and pan-Serb biases, as you would know if you read the comments on this site.

As for Flanker, I still want to hear him explain how Bush had his Reichstag burned.

I do like it that we have an completely ineffective RCP member fussing in this thread.

What’s your beef?

Don’t you like us having a go at Boris Johnson?

Walberg is publishing his texts on the Website of the infamous Russian-Swedish antisemite Adam Ermash, formerly Jöran Jermas, who publishes under the name of Israel Shamir.
And sometimes one can find Walberg’s articles also on Al Ahram, Cairo.

Tagnuzlsx, perhaps you’d like to provide proof of Graham’s anti-Chinese racism rather than just repeat your slur - a direct quote, not a paraphrase, and a link is required.

He did provide a direct quote, in his comment at 2:24 - “Chinese women are like dogs”. Then he commented on it saying that Graham was “Filthy, Filthy scum”. The trouble is it was a lie and Graham never said it.

Apparently, it isn’t only Graham who hasn’t said “Chinese women are like dogs”.

According to Google, nobody has ever said this.

http://tinyurl.com/4ov2ta

Somebody has said “Anatolian people are fundamentalist muslims because they are genetically inferior”. It is Tagnuzlsx.

http://tinyurl.com/46jnvh

Honestly, you RCP-ers are so lazy. You could have had a go at Graham for attacking Boris Johnson, or John P for almost any part of the bollock he comes up with.

But instead, you’ve just made something up.

I just read spiked-online and agree with most of what they say.

Well that’s the mark of a nut, right there.

“It’s not a party, it’s a paper“

So the source for the “Anatolian people are fundamentalist muslims because they are genetically inferior” comment was actually Tagnuzlsx himself/herself.

The lying little shit. Mind you, what do you expect from a bunch of Srebrenica denialists.

Talking of Counterpunch, has anyone seen or read Alistair Cockburn’s brother’s piece in the Independent today?

Revealed: Secret plan to keep Iraq under US control

A secret deal being negotiated in Baghdad would perpetuate the American military occupation of Iraq indefinitely, regardless of the outcome of the US presidential election in November.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/revealed-secret-plan-to-keep-iraq-under-us-control-840512.html

I’ve no idea whether Tagnuzlsx is a ‘lying little shit’ or not and don’t really care, but he clearly states with regard to the comments he attributes to Graham and the other bloke that ‘Of course I am paraphrasing…a little’ so it’s hardly surprising his quotes aren’t on Google.

Just want to say this is one of the best HP comments threads in years (HP comments threads deserve deeper consideration, they’re easily an internet phenomenon, one that defies logic and grammar a lot).

Basically the US has Counterpunch and the UK has spiked-online. Both had their roots in the ‘left’ but are far far from that now.

He’s a common-or-garden troll and must be ignored, ferchrissake.

I’ve no idea whether Tagnuzlsx is a ‘lying little shit’ or not and don’t really care, but he clearly states with regard to the comments he attributes to Graham and the other bloke that ‘Of course I am paraphrasing…a little’ so it’s hardly surprising his quotes aren’t on Google.

Point is he’s all paraphrase and no quote though isn’t he? If he hadn’t made it all up he could point us to where these things were actually said.

I think Counterpunch has become Far right. Just parusing the articles tells me this is an unfortunate ‘leftist’ publication that has fallen through the looking-glass.

And as a Canadian I can tell you there’s nothing bizzare whatsoever with the name ‘The Princess Patricia Regiment’.

I think it’s great that some army regiments are named after women, if only because it insults Wahabbi sensitivies, which I kinda suspect Mr Walberg is adopting.

It’s moronic convergence.
Left or right … they can all agree on bigotry. One finds absurd scientific rationale the other absurd political rationale.

It’s a distinction without relevance

So just to check, an article by someone who might be a Nazi, one by someone who is a leftist history professor, one by someone who is Ralph Nader, an article bashing the Patriot Act as an attack on liberty, an article saying “Omert isn’t really all that bad,” a broken link by Nikolas Kozloff writing about, apparently, Latinos not voting for Obama, an article bashing Bush for saying that Obama is wrong for wanting to talk to Iran, others, an article discussing the effects of rising gas prices+lower wages for the poor using the example of a town in California but never mentioning immigration (which is pretty much QED leftist and obviously not something anyone anywhere close to naziism would write), an article by a Palestinian who isn’t fond of Israel, and I’m done with this.

You’re simply nuts if you think it’s far right. It may publish certain things by people of the far right, but that constitutes diversity of opinion, not uniformly far rightism

Can you think of other Left wing or even mainstream magazine of any type, that publishes articles by neo Nazis?

So because they’re willing to break ideological lines, you can freely ignore the vast amounts of non-right content they also publish? I don’t care at all what other magazines do when it comes to this subject, because it’s irrelevant. Other magazines refusing to publish things written by Nazis does not make a magazine that publishes things written by Nazis a Nazi magazine. If you could point me to large numbers of articles written there by Nazis or other far-right authors and then compare that to a smaller amount of mainstream-right/centrist/left/far left authors/articles, then you’d have something. I suspect, given my reading/scanning of about 25 articles on that site, that you would be unable to do so.

Can you think of other Left wing or even mainstream magazine of any type, that publishes articles by neo Nazis?

Benji might know of one.

For a Left wing magazine to publish an opinion piece by a neo Nazi is as incongruous as a feminist magazine publishing an article by an unapologetic rapist.

Can you think of other Left wing or even mainstream magazine of any type, that publishes articles by neo Nazis?

well the neo-Nazi term is itself debatable.

But in any case, publishing a single article - or even a few articles - by a neo-nazi does not make it a ‘neo-nazi publication’.

you have still to offer justification for the claim.

do you think that the publishers who have published David Irving’s books, such as The Viking Press, are neo-nazi publishers, too?

For a Left wing magazine to publish an opinion piece by a neo Nazi is as incongruous as a feminist magazine publishing an article by an unapologetic rapist.

wouldn’t that - by your logic - make it a ‘rapist magazine’ - and feminist no longer?

It may publish certain things by people of the far right, but that constitutes diversity of opinion, not uniformly far rightism

They publish a variety of anti-Jew and anti-Israel opinion. The full spectrum!

“Taliban are still the legitimate government” - bollocks! they took power by force, nobody voted for them, they are not in any way a legitimate government!

“But in any case, publishing a single article - or even a few articles - by a neo-nazi does not make it a ‘neo-nazi publication’.”

Well, then, Jew-hatred in the left is a question of statistics now.
I am relieved. Is Hitler an outlier in your scale, moron?

And the small matter of an election in which, err, the Taliban weren’t elected.

But in any case, publishing a single article - or even a few articles - by a neo-nazi does not make it a ‘neo-nazi publication’.

So just how many articles would it take?

And just how many people does an individual have to murder before they’re considered a muderer?

A leftist magazine can’t publish articles..even one… by neo-nazis and still consider itself leftist.

That would be tantamount to Scientific American publishing articles by wacked-out creationists.

Would you still consider Scientific American a credible publication if it began featuring articles by Fred Phelps?

Get some perspective.

“And sometimes one can find Walberg’s articles also on Al Ahram, Cairo.”

Eli, FYI, Walberg writes for Al Ahram regularly, about once a week.

A leftist magazine can’t publish articles..even one… by neo-nazis and still consider itself leftist.

you might not have noticed, since you’re not reading my posts, but I’ve not called counerpunch ‘leftist’ anywhere on this page.

I have however taken issue with the idea that a magazine publishing one article by someone David T claims to be a neo-Nazi, an article which does not contain any neo-Nazi opinion whatsoever, makes the magazine ‘a neo-nazi magazine’.

Harry’s Place, as i’ve said up there, has published articles by Oliver Kamm, who has a track record of supporting right-wing politicians. . Does that make it a ‘rightist’ website?

Or does the mudslinging only go one way, i wonder?

Jew-hatred in the left is a question of statistics now.
I am relieved. Is Hitler an outlier in your scale, moron?

the article contains no jew-hatred at all. and hitler is dead, in case you hadn’t noticed, moron.

the article contains no jew-hatred at all. and hitler is dead, in case you hadn’t noticed, moron.

Intelligent people brandishing well articulated arguments aren’t given tyo calling people ‘moron’.

I’ve not called counerpunch ‘leftist’ anywhere on this page.

What you call or don’t call Counterpunch is irrelevant.

What’s important to retain is that Counterpunch considers itself leftist.

By the way, Terry Glavin’s expose is excellent.

Walberg went from from a campus stalinist to a ‘true believer’.

I can’t understand people who allow themselves to be guided by hate.

But it sure as hell offers insight into why they write what they write.

the article contains no jew-hatred at all

Yes. But it’s written by a man who vouches for the authenticity of the Protocols.

Doesn’t that tell you something?

Demonstrative: “Harry’s Place, as i’ve said up there, has published articles by Oliver Kamm, who has a track record of supporting right-wing politicians. . Does that make it a ‘rightist’ website?”

You said it up there, but I’m pretty sure you were wrong up there, which means you’re wrong down here as well. I’ve never seen a single article that HP has ‘published’ by Oliver Kamm in all the years I’ve read both of their blogs. The simple reason for that is that Oliver has his *own blog* where he publishes articles, and has no need of doing so here. So point to an article that Kamm has *published* on here, or I’ll just assume that you’ve mistaken quotes/links and comments on HP to fully published articles. And that’s not even dealing with your bizarre interpretation of guilt by association, where a well-disclosed link between two people can be ‘revealed’ as if it’s in some way embarrassing, and not widely known.

Counterpunch’s issue is that it either doesn’t know or care of its contributors’ proclivities and won’t inform its readers about them in either case. For a magazine that claims to be authoritative and responsible that is a serious problem, what you highlight is neither news, nor is it a problem, see the difference?

People need to become aware of the alliance of totalitarianisms: fascist, communist, and islamist, that is spreading throughout Europe. The glue that holds it together is anti-semitism, anti-capitalism, and anti-liberal democracy.

John Chuckman (another Canadian I’m afraid), contributes *frequently* to both Counterpunch (http://tinyurl.com/5jc9xn)
and to Rense.com (http://www.rense.com/Datapages/jchuckmam.htm).

That is, he seems equally happy writing pieces for either the anti-Jewish left or for the neo-Nazi right.

He describes himself on his blog as a retired oil executive (http://chuckman.blog.ca/).
Now, he apparently spends all his time spreading his obnoxious views.

I must say, I’m stunned by your various lapses into stupidity, Palubiski (sorry if I ever misspell your name. I’m a Chicagoan, but I never got the hang of the Polish/related names), mesquito, Fabian.

mesquito:”They publish a variety of anti-Jew and anti-Israel opinion. The full spectrum!” Yes, that neither makes a Palubiski publication right nor left. Leftists are, after all, the most openly anti-Israel group these days.

Fabian: Well, then, Jew-hatred in the left is a question of statistics now. I am relieved. Is Hitler an outlier in your scale, moron?

Well this is a wildly stupid argument, Fabian, and I know you’re not stupid. No one here claimed Jew hatred was not a characteristic of the left. What was claimed was that the Jew hatred here was specifically of the right. Please, Fabian, no one at all mentioned Nazism on the left as a defense of the original post.

Palubiski : So just how many articles would it take? To make something a “Nazi Magazine” it would have to be more than 50% Nazi or fellow traveler content. To make something Nazi-sympathizing, far less. Of course, the original post used the former appellation. We don’t call politicians , for example, Right if they support all leftist policies except for abortion. We all accept that there is some point in politics where most people do not support precise platform. If someone could even give me reason to think that 10% of Counterpunch was Nazi-ish, I could at least see why someone would think that it’s far right, but I’ve never seen any evidence to that effect. It’s a fairly far leftist magazine that is anti-Israel enough to use writers who happen to be Nazis/Nazi sympathizers, but you can bet they’ll do everything they can to cover that up

note: I somehow pasted “Palubiski” into my first full paragraph. A result of my trying to make sure not to misspell his name

Conclusion: Eric Walberg is a correspondent of Al Ahram Cairo, he is publishing his articles also on neonazi Websites and on the Website of the Russian-Swedish antisemite who is using the pen name Israel Shamir and he is also a contributor of Neonazi or extreme leftwing Counterpunch.
So what is uniting Al Ahram, “Shamir”, the Neonazi Websites and Counterpunch?

Careless, I don’t get your point, but if this: “To make something a “Nazi Magazine” it would have to be more than 50% Nazi or fellow traveler content.” is what you seriously believe, then I consider that you don’t get any point at all and are pretty stupid.

One of Walberg/Jones pieces in Dissident Voice,
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/05/who-is-the-enemy-part-i/
full of ludicrous BS about Afghanistan, NATO and opium.

You Terry-Glavin-frauds are so stupid it hurts.

tagnuzlsx holds views common to the nazis..

period

does the Left exist anymore ?

More here: http://brockley.blogspot.com/2008/06/alexander-cockburn-and-counterpunch.html