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Already done that.

What murderous terrorist or despot would you go to a party as?

Pope Sixtus IV

I’m reminded of an episode of the animated TV series “American Dad,” in which the teenage son of the super-patriotic dad briefly becomes a Communist. The dad notices a poster of Che on the son’s bedroom wall and exclaims, “Well, at least we still agree on one thing. ‘Planet of the Apes’ was one hell of a movie.”

Graham:

Only ONE Pope? There are so many to chose from…

I went to a party dressed as che - it was a heroes and villains theme.

I’ve a mate who went to a Latin-themed party at London Zoo as Gen. Galtieri.

It was slightly unfortunate that the rather dense girl at the cloakroom asked him if he was meant to be Hitler. (I can only presume that the only man wearing a hat and a fake moustache she had heard of was Adolf. I blame comprehensive education in inner London for this)

Unfortunately the Catholics with Attitude t-shirt webstore (in Glasgow) seem to have sold out of their “Che Guevera - Murderer” line.

If you’re gonna go to a party dressed as a “murderous terrorist or despot” there is really no point in pissing about (oh look I’m Islom Karimov — and look, there’s Yah-what-hisname Jammeh over there. Oh, yippee, Carlos the Jackal and some random hot-blooded corsican type drinking tea together), or being too historic about it, is there. These days. it’s Osama or bust, essentially.
Although going as Pastor Ntumi really would give some legitimacy to wearing that turquoise jacket that’s just been gathering dust and moths for years and years and years

They are/were selling Che shirts in Next. I have picture on mobile phone (for some reason).

I was in there with my wife. I wouldn’t touch their middle-of-the-road shite.

Presumably its legitimate for the BBC (or anyone else) to discuss why Che continues to fascinate, or has been commercialised. Perhaps if the ‘Decent’ view is not represented (ie. full on condemnation and condemning others who do not likewise do so), then it might be time to contribute to these sort of programmes, rather than simply sniffily berate them and those who contribute to them. I am not a supporter of the Cuban model myself, but condemnation alone probably doesn’t do the issue justice.

“What murderous terrorist or despot would you go to a party as?”

Blair, Bush II, Berlusconi, Aznar, Howard, Olmert.

Another defeat for the neocons with regards to Cuba.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7463803.stm

Hello Flanker - what practical difference do you think the lifting of the EU sanctions will make?

Bear in mind that Flanker once said here that 9-11 was “Bush’s Reichstag.”

what practical difference do you think the lifting of the EU sanctions will make?

Non-elite Cubans shall have a greater variety of unaffordable products to not choose from.

That’s a hell of a party.

Indeed. I hope it was more fun than that photo suggests.

Galloway holding forth on the importance of not living your life in a grubby, acquisitive way at about 42 mins.

Having listened to most of it now tbh it seems to be largely about that picture and it’s continuing iconic status rather than anything che did.

Reichstag, wa-wa, mummy, potty.

Goosestepping Taleban. It will happen if only Steve Bell develops a point.

Who was it at HP who went as Arafat to a Purim party?

“Hello Flanker - what practical difference do you think the lifting of the EU sanctions will make?”

What practical reason was there fore neocons to push for them? clearly this was just a diplomatic victory, one that fundie rightwingers like vaclav klaus is probably stewing over.

So suck it up.

So that’d be ‘nothing at all’ wouldn’t it?

Flanker, what is this about Bush’s Reichstag?

“Eva Peron

Peron!

Peron!

Peron!”
Now, THERE is my kinda’ theving fascist couple!!! (I knew the Clintons reminded me of something…)

Ken: So you expect Hillary to start singing “Don’t Cry for Me, America”?

“So that’d be ‘nothing at all’ wouldn’t it?”

You peeps are so dull, I already said it did not really amount to anything practical, the article said it did not amount to anything practical. It was still a victory over the right however impractical.

As for Clinton and Eva comparison, yuck. You neocons are butt ugly as well.

“What murderous terrorist or despot would you go to a party as?”

I would have said Stalin but ‘Harry’ beat me to it seven years ago.

Oh, the joy of youth.

OT, but close: Chavez threatens EU countries that apply strict new guidelines concerning deporting illegal immigrants with a cutoff of Venezuelan oil. See “Venezuela Threatens EU Over Deportations” at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/19/world/main4197588.shtml

Would that I had of been able to get a hold of my bookie, at the time of my very first post I would have doubled down and bet the house, farm and put my wife and grown son up as collateral on the fact that Flanker would have been the first to log in with BUSH in his sights. But then that’s no bet at all–the only real question was WHEN.

“OT, but close: Chavez threatens EU countries that apply strict new guidelines concerning deporting illegal immigrants with a cutoff of Venezuelan oil. See “Venezuela Threatens EU Over Deportations” at”

I thought neocons “cared” about human rights, evidently you don’t (not a single post about that rightwing EU fascism) you are just like the BNP but are too afraid (or smart) to admit it.

Sad but true - the Left continues to idolise murderers and totalitarians. When will the madness end?

The true democratic socialist would do as I do, and sport T-shirts bearing the faces of freedom-crusaders Douglas MacArthur and William Westmoreland… Body-counts in the millions, and all in the name of freedom and democracy!

Now, that’s what I call heroism.

“Ken: So you expect Hillary to start singing “Don’t Cry for Me, America”?”

Yeppers, the last night as the last act of the ‘08 Dem. convention in Denver…as the gas granades fly,
and the batons flail…

Barry Batista is slightly overwrought. Douglas MacArthur turned in one of the lowest casualty rates during WWII of any major commander in history–often in the hundreds, let alone thousands. The “island-hopping”
tactics offered by the topography of the SW Pacific allowed for by-passing of major strong points–thus the low casualties as these
cut-off bastions were left to die on the vine. Go back to school, Barry, and learn some military history.

PS: Over 50% of Korean War casualties occurred after MacArthur was relieved of his command, and his WWI record as Cmdr. of the famed 42nd “Rainbow” Division was among the lowest of all commands. Also
should be noted that Westmoreland was “responsible” (to use an idiotic term–and he was in charge for only half the duration of the conflict) for at best several hundred thousand both civilian and military, North and South–but these figures were dwarfed by the millions of Vietnamese “boat people” who drowned in escaping the Communists and went missing in “re-education” camps. Millions at the feet of MacArthur and Westmoreland? Hardly.

18 months detention is a disgrace, although I doubt that Chavez will follow through.

Perhaps this could be another campaigning issue for Davis Davis.

Some people missed Che, but the Bolivian Army didn’t.

Wow, that looks like a funky party Tyndall is attending. What’s that he’s putting on the turntable. Wagner?

What murderous terrorist or despot would you go to a party as?

Gotta be Winston Churchill.

I bet that picture of Tyndall dates from ‘62.

“Sean Lyngaas’ photo shows Fidel Castro and Che enjoying a moment at a party.”

That picture shows a lot of things, but enjoyment? Awkwardness and embarrassment would be much higher on that list.

I was a little surprised that Ricky Gervais is on that show, then I remembered the bit on his ‘Politics’ show where he goes on about how much he hates fake revolutionaries who wear berets.

Possibly “Tomorrow Belongs to Us”

David - Do you think that Che isn’t a popular figure among campesinos and working class Latin Americans across the continent?

For a wider choice . . .

http://www.thoseshirts.com/lousy.html

I’d go as a Dalek

I went to a party as Saddam Hussein once. Dead easy - some green ex-army fatigues, beret, dark glasses, stick-on bushy moustache and a touch of fake tan. Come to think of it, not that different from Che really.

Hitler is popular in parts of Baveria and Austria. So what.

Wow, that looks like a funky party Tyndall is attending. What’s that he’s putting on the turntable. Wagner?

Looks like the first Smiths LP to me.

J.T.: “do you think “hand in glove” is about Herr Flick of the gestapo?

Horsefaced gestapo wannabe on the left: “who cares Morrissey is such a dreamboat.”

I’d go as Skeletor, so as not to cause any arguments. Not even Flanker would try and claim Skeletor as a heroic figure in the struggle against imperialists and neocons.

I might be wrong but I’d have thought Hitler was popular among a small minority of cranks. That small minority might well number quite a few. But I doubt if they’re representative of any broad political trend in Bavaria.

Through my reading and own travels around Latin America, I know that Che is massively popular across large swathes of the population of that continent.

This might be for reasons other than his role as economic minister in the Cuban Government, say. But he’s massively popular none the less.

To dismiss him as a ‘murderer’ or ‘dictator’ without any reference to the wider positive impact (empowerment, pride, self-determination) on working class and campesino politics across Latin America suggests that you either don’t care or are out of touch with the interests of those communities.

I’d go as Skeletor, so as not to cause any arguments. Not even Flanker would try and claim Skeletor as a heroic figure in the struggle against imperialists and neocons.

Come on, everyone knows He-Man is the archetype of a neocon! ‘Master of the Universe’!

This might be for reasons other than his role as economic minister in the Cuban Government

Probably quite a lot to do (to conflate two threads) with many people in the mentioned continent identifying him with Christ.

On a bench in the square, Freddy Vallejos, 27, says: ‘We have a faith, a confidence in Che. When I go to bed and when I wake up, I first pray to God and then I pray to Che - and then, everything is all right.’

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/sep/23/theobserver.worldnews

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Einstein should be “worshipped” though, he said some very human things on subjects other than science throughout the thirties.

What murderous terrorist or despot would you go to a party as?

This is an obvious one now I’m a fat bastard with a massive beard: Henry VIII.

Saw someone waving a Che flag at the Isle of Wight festival last week. Not sure if any of the bottles I threw actually made contact but its the thought that counts.

‘Do you think that Che isn’t a popular figure among campesinos and working class Latin Americans across the continent?’

Well he wasn’t all that popular with the Bolivian peasantry - that’s why they grassed him up to the military.

‘Not even Flanker would try and claim Skeletor as a heroic figure in the struggle against imperialists and neocons’.

Well he is an expert on just about anything - WWII, Middle Eastern history, Islamism in British mosques, military doctrine, even ‘computer forensics’ (according to a thread on FARC-Chavez) - so I wouldn’t put it past him.

Galloway holding forth on the importance of not living your life in a grubby, acquisitive way at about 42 mins.

Fee from Endemol UK for my appearance on Celebrity Big Brother. (£145,001-£150,000)

Laughing my ass off at the McArthur apologia, the North Korean explanation is PAINFULLY obvious to anybody that understands history, the casualty rate did not climb because he left, it climbed because the Chinesse entered, that said I do not give a FLIP about HIS MEN, but the thousands he murdered (ie Japanese and NK).

“Hitler is popular in parts of Baveria and Austria. So what.”

Here in Buenos Aires there are Che posters on every newsstand, I doubt Hitler is that popular in his native land.

You fuckers are slick though, Che is a murderer (true he killed) and a dictator (WTF? he never led a country) that said you fully support the genocide at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Proving once again the exceptionalism doctrine, if the US/UK/Israel does it (and fully admits it) it is GOOD, everybody else EVIL. So much for internationalism you are as patriotic/nationalistic as a run of the mill freeper.

Good luck with your sudaka concentration camps though. I hear it is lovely on your side of the pond (not that I would ever know behind apartheid walls).

I’d go as Robespierre.

Just so long as no one dresses as a guillotine

He’s the grandaddy, the template, for every murderous thug and dictator since the French Revolution.

Pope Sixtus IV

Would you kill ‘daddy’ and get it over with, Graham!

And I,d just like to say one thing about both Castro and Ché; both were/are lilly-white, both are/were pure-blood Spaniards and both come from wealthy families, so like just what are their credentials as leaders of poor brown and mestizo masses?

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That figures JP. Robespierre was brought up a catholic and never became an athiest and he got where he was because The French people had been denied access to the Scriptures by Pope Clement XI in his “Bull Unigentius” and therefore had no absolute authority of morality accept what was told to them by an increasingly corrupt priesthood.

Che/Robespierre/Popes

Much of a muchness.

I have a Stalin costume that I have pulled out for a “Heroes and Villains” party, an “S-themed” party and a “Moustache Party”. It’s very versatile.

Robespierre was brought up a catholic

Exactly, and after having abadnonned it became an atheist nutcase!

Robespierre, Stalin, Hitler.

Three little atheist pea-brains in a fascist pod.

And since it’s Friday ( yes, even over here!), you’re bound to crank up that cath-o-li-co-phobia, aren’t you!

Robespierre never became an atheist JP. Hitler was another cultural catholic and Stalin trained as a priest (begin to see a pattern here?)

He’s the grandaddy, the template, for every murderous thug and dictator

No, that’s Yahweh.

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia.

Fuck it, I genuinely do want an excuse to go as a Saudi king now.

OK, it’s time to own up … who spiked Flanker’s coffee with peyote?

Goebbels was educated by the Jesuits. (to continue the pattern.)

‘Do you think that Che isn’t a popular figure among campesinos and working class Latin Americans across the continent?’

Well he wasn’t all that popular with the Bolivian peasantry - that’s why they grassed him up to the military.

Maybe the Bolivians were thinking of the campesinos and working class Latin Americans who through Che’s actions were consigned under the continent.

I would go as Enver Hoxha

In the mid 80s I remember borrowing a privately published book about the Albanian Revolution and all the wonderful things they had achieved there under the wise tutelage of Enver and his mates, From Birkenhead Central Library.

As i recall it was printed by some pro Albanian communist party in the UK in the 1970s, Not sure which outfit this was, Perhaps others could enlighten me.

The cover showed an albanian student holding up an ancient bolt action rifle.

As i recall it was printed by some pro Albanian communist party in the UK in the 1970s, Not sure which outfit this was, Perhaps others could enlighten me.

Almost certainly the: “Communist Party of Britain Marxist-Leninist”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Britain_(Marxist-Leninist)

Not sure why Wiki cut the “Marxist-Leninist” bit off there (thus directing to the ordinary Communist party - try again:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Britain_(Marxist-Leninist)

Sorry - you will just have to type it into the search engine yourself!

Muhammad ibn Abdallah.

I’ve no objection to going to a hero’s party as Uncle Joe !

” He led the Soviet people on the road to victory “

GW

Thank’s Graham

I will do a bit of Googling

PS; I am not the Phil who posted about going as King Abdullah, that is another phil.

“Phil Free” to add an intial of your second name so we know who you are.

The Bolivian argument is pretty irrelevant, the peasantry did not reject him, they just barely knew who he was. He did not get popular until he died (martyrdom, left power behind to continue being revolutionary etc). Today Ernesto Guevara is an icon in poor rural Bolivia, the place he was shot is an important tourist attraction.

It is always the right (and ONLY the right) that despised him, in Venezuela they have an annoying habit in vandalizing statues and monuments in his honor. (with guns and hacksaws).

I love Flanker’s description @2:05pm of a Nation exercising it’s
inherent right of self-defense as outlined under the UN’s Article 51 (or under the conditions the as-of-yet created UN would later sanction) as committing “murder.” And, in the case of Korea, I guess under Flanker’s construct the entire world is complicit in “murder” as the US was the officially sanctioned UN representative in that action and signed the Armistice with North Korea not in it’s name alone, but in the name of the UN at Panmunjon.

But why am I wasting time with Flanker? The degree of restraint shown by steadfast non-rebuttal probably is a good indicator for high IQ…..so I really should slink away in shame……I guess I’m not a quick study….

“I love Flanker’s description @2:05pm of a Nation exercising it’s
inherent right of self-defense as outlined under the UN’s Article 51 (or under the conditions the as-of-yet created UN would later sanction) as committing “murder.”

O RLY? Show me where in the charter says they can INVADE North Korea rather than just kicking them out? or where in the charter says they can commit genocide and nuke China? (as McArthur the nut wanted).

That said that UN was not the real UN, aka the world wide body it is today, it was more of an excuse for imperialism (similar to the league of “democracies” that you now peddle). The worst thing to have happened to the UN under rightwing reasoning is giving black people the right to vote.

Fuck your murderers, they are definitely worse than Che.

“That said that UN was not the real UN, aka the world wide body it is today, it was more of an excuse for imperialism (similar to the league of “democracies” that you now peddle). The worst thing to have happened to the UN under rightwing reasoning is giving black people the right to vote.”

Can someone help me with this one?

Yes, that Che Guevara was a very unpalatable figure. The youth need better models like Senator Henry Jackson, Cecil Rhodes, General Paul Tibbets, Christopher Hitchens, V.S. Naipul, and the Danish cartoonists who made Mohammad look like a chump.

dave, just ignore Flanker. He cannot be understood or reasoned with. He is just trying to get folks to respond to him. Making outrageous statements is only way he get attention.

Note: Castro & Guevara have a good deal of following throughout the Spainish speaking countries, primarily because both were Strong Leader types who ordinary people can look up to. Idealogy is not important in this only being a Strong Leader is. For example, when Castro, about a decade ago, visited his father’s home province back in Spain he was warmly recieved even though this was also the home province of Franco, another Strong Leader.

Also Castro has the additional aura of being one of the few Latin Leaders to have sucessfully stood up to what deGaulle called, “the Anglo-Saxons” i.e. us English Speakers. Otherwise the record is pretty much, one Latin defeat after another, From the Spainish Armada to the Mexican-American War to the Spainish-American War to the Falklands, (another Splendid Little War) it has been a record of defeat at the hands of Britain and her American child.
Yes, we Yanks after all, first and foremost are Albion’s Seed.
Rule, English-Speakers, Rule!

As for whom I would go to a costume party as: since I have a mustache and bit of beard, it would have to be Trotsky, whom I persume did murder enough as first head of the Red Army to qualify.

Heh you have to laugh at someone who thinks that the athiest Guevara would be a better “role model” than Danish cartoonists.

Whatever his other failings Guevara would have supported the mocking of religious superstition.

and the Danish cartoonists who made Mohammad look like a chump.

Was the only chumpy piccie, in the sense that he was arsing around, the pig-squeal one?

John Doe

I’ll raise you Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, Nicolai Ceauscescu, Stalin, Robert Mugabe, Mao Tse Tung, Hafez al Assad, Ayatollah Khommeni.

To name just a few of the arseholes in the hard lefts pantheon of anti imperialist hero’s.

PS; Mohammed was a Chump, and so are the people who take his silly book seriously.

John Doe was totally correct. Cartoonists are far better role models than murderers. Anyone who thinks otherwise should have a cartoon drawn of them, and then be murdered.

“What murderous terrorist or despot would you go to a party as?”

Gargamel from The Smurfs. With drops of blue blood running from my mouth.

“In a similar vein, here is the National Front’s John Tyndall at a party in 1972.”

Possibly the most moronic thing I’ve ever seen here. If the powers-that-be here want to get themselves in a froth whenever some dickhead trot produces some trite zionism=nazism argument, perhaps they better hadn’t be playing the same game themselves.