British Muslim Initiative: We Resent the Evil Jew in Britain
It is pretty well known that Islamists in the West habitually say one thing to their English speaking audience, and another thing to their Arabic speaking audience.
Here’s Mohammad Sawalha, President of the British Muslim Initiative, speaking to Al Jazeera in Arabic about his demonstration against last Sunday’s celebration of the foundation of the State of Israel:
The President of the British Muslim Initiative - Mohammad Sawalha - said in a speech to Al Jazeera:
“We, the Arab and Islamic community, gather here today to express our resentment at the celebrations by the Jewish community and the [evil Jew/Jewish evil] in Britain”
[والوبيل اليهودي في بريطانيا]
Translation by DaveM
Apart from the British Muslim Initiative, Sawalha has been active in a large number of other ventures. He is the past President of the Muslim Association of Britain. He was the founder of IslamExpo, and is registered as the holder of the IslamExpo domain name. He is also a trustee of the Finsbury Park Mosque: which was taken over from Abu Hamza by the Muslim Association of Britain, with the help of Detective Inspector Bob Lambert.
All of the organisations that Sawalha is associated with have one thing in common. They are fronts for Hamas/the Muslim Brotherhood.
Sawalha also was one of the signatories to the letter from various “Muslim organisations” endorsing Ken Livingstone: a large number of whom are closely associated with various Muslim Brotherhood organisations.
Sawalha was also one of the subjects of the BBC Panorama documentary on Hamas fundraising in the United Kingdom [better formatted here]. That documentary made the following claims:
- Sawalha is said to have master minded much of Hamas’ political and military strategy.
- Sawalha was one of the senior activists in the dawah portals of Hamas. He was involved, let’s say, with the background of the finance, the logistic assistance.
- In London, Sawalha is alleged to have directed funds, both for Hamas’ armed wing, and for spreading its missionary dawah
Therefore, it is no surprise to hear him giving a speech to the Arabic media about “the evil Jew in Britain”.
Of course, you won’t hear the British Muslim Initiative saying anything like this in any of the many comment pieces Sawalha’s team write for the Guardian.
UPDATE
Al Jazeera has now changed the text to refer to “the Jewish Lobby”.
The original text contained the word الوبيل . It means “evil” or “noxious” or “dreaded” or “disasterous”. We’ve asked other Arabic speakers, and they’ve confirmed that, combined with the word “Jew”, the sense of the phrase is “Evil Jew” or “Jewish evil”.
That word has been replaced with “lobby”, اللوبي. The words don’t look at all similar. So this isn’t a spelling mistake.
If we wait a little bit longer, I bet they’ll change it to “the Zionist Lobby”.
UPDATE 2:
The British Muslim Initiative have published a press release about this article. They’ve posted it on here, but not on their own website!
British Muslim Initiative
http://www.bminitiative.comNews release
Attention: news desk
For immediate useZionist Racist website lies in order to justify its hate-rhetoric
While ‘Harry’s Place’ may not be known as a bastion of truth and balanced comment - not even in the remotest sense of these words - its latest blunder shows it as an entirely incompetent source of information.
In ‘reporting’ the anti-Israel demonstration that took place at Trafalgar Square on Sunday the 29th of June, the moderator of the said blog quoted BMI president Mohammed Sawalha’s comment to Al-Jazeera as: “We, the Arab and Islamic community, gather here today to express our resentment at the celebrations by the Jewish community and the evil/noxious Jew in Britain” – Translated by DaveM.
What is beyond doubt is that DaveM seems to be an entirely incapable and dangerously incompetent translator, clearly failing to understand and hence translate the simple word ‘Lobby’. This word is pronounced in Arabic identically to the way it is in English, and is written phonetically in identical style.
It is of course possible that DaveM and the moderators of this vile blog-space - which has made it its mission to attack Islam and Muslims in whatever underhand methods it can get away with - deliberately skewed the word ‘Lobby’ to turn it into some other word and make it seem as though it means ‘evil/noxious’, in order to portray not only Mohammed Sawalha, but BMI and all the projects that Mr. Sawalha is linked to, as ‘Jew-haters’ and ‘anti-Semitic’.
This was immediately picked up by the likes of Melanie Phillips who wrote in The Spectator, quoting this error and using it as fact to further her campaign to demonise an individual who has done for community relations and cultural dialogue far more than she can ever lay claim to.
Anas Altikriti, spokesman of BMI, commented earlier: ‘This particular blog-space and its moderators are nonentities and insignificant. However, its danger lies in that in the past some corners of our mainstream media have picked up on its drivel and used it as fact.
This is another example of not only very basic incompetence at play, but pure evil that sees no shame or wrong in plainly lying for the purpose of demonising certain individuals and organisations, regardless of reality or facts”.
BMI have alerted its legal advisors to this matter and will be monitoring the blog-site in question as well as any quoting of this error by any other media outlet, and will be pursuing measures to bring those who do to account.
Hilariously, their line is that we have:
“deliberately skewed the word ‘Lobby’ to turn it into some other word and make it seem as though it means ‘evil/noxious’”
They could have said “Oh, he’s been misquoted by Al Jazeera - in Arabic, “Jewish evil” sounds really like “Jewish Lobby”. Or even “It’s just a spelling mistake - there are only a few letters’ difference between “evil” and “lobby”.
Here is a screen shot of the Al Jazeera article. It is very clear that the phrase “Jewish Lobby” did not appear in the original article. Until it was amended:
So, now I’m being threatened with legal action. That’s always a good tactic: as David Irving discovered.
Given that the BMI is the sister organisation of Hamas, and Mohammad Sawalha has been identified by the BBC as a senior Hamas activist, I should be grateful that they’re not threatening to send round “martyrs” to explode themselves in front of me.
Put it this way. There’s clear evidence what the Al Jazeera article originally said. It would be wholly unsurprising that a man who is apparently a Hamas activist would give an interview in Arabic in which he railed against “Jewish evil”. That is, after all, one of Hamas’ favourite themes.
And if the argument is that he was demonstrating against the “Jewish Community” and the “Jewish Lobby” rather than “Jewish Evil”… well, that’s not a great defence, is it?
Comments
| 2 July 2008, 1:35 pm |
Wonder if the crazy Palestinian in the bulldozer today in Jerusalem was a MB member?
| 2 July 2008, 1:58 pm |
Today’s news:
The military wing of Lebanese political party Hezbollah has been added to the government’s list of organisations banned under the Terrorism Act 2000.
It means it is now a criminal offence for anyone in the UK to be a member of the party’s military structure, raise funds or encourage support for it.
But the ban does not apply to Hezbollah’s political, social or humanitarian activities.
| 2 July 2008, 1:59 pm |
I often wonder why Israel doesn’t have a hit squad for these evil cancers in our society. Surely incitement to disparage Jews, however expressed is an encouragement to kill/harm Jews.
The same with incitement by Palestinian and Hamas TV (Al Manar). Why doesn’t Israel bomb their broadcasting ability before more Jews/Israelis are killed by incitement.
HP becomes a clipboard for Antisemitic attacks verbal/physical. What is the point of reading another one, and another one …. without any ability to stop it.
Where is the “Star Chamber” when you need it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Star_Chamber
| 2 July 2008, 2:00 pm |
The military wing of Lebanese political party Hezbollah has been added to the government’s list of organisations banned under the Terrorism Act 2000.
It means it is now a criminal offence for anyone in the UK to be a member of the party’s military structure, raise funds or encourage support for it.
Doesn’t this mean that displaying Hezbollah flags or shouting “We are all Hezbollah now” is a criminal offence?
| 2 July 2008, 2:00 pm |
I look forward to Brian Whittaker explaining why the translation is wrong; Seumas Milne explaining why Sawalha is misunderstood; and Deborah Fink claiming that he means Those Zionist Jews not All The Jews.
| 2 July 2008, 2:09 pm |
“But the ban does not apply to Hezbollah’s political, social or humanitarian activities.”
… Because there is a very clear dividing line between the political, social and humanitarian activities of Hezbollah, and the military activities. They’re in no way connected at all.
| 2 July 2008, 2:11 pm |
“We are all Hezbollah, just the social sevices wing, you understand.”
Lets have a sweep as to who’s the first person to try and get themselves arrested under this one.
| 2 July 2008, 2:12 pm |
Doesn’t this mean that displaying Hezbollah flags or shouting “We are all Hezbollah now” is a criminal offence?
The banners now need to read:
We are all Hezbollah (in a purely political, social or humanitarian sense clearly) now!
| 2 July 2008, 2:21 pm |
But the ban does not apply to Hezbollah’s political, social or humanitarian activities.
So the ban is totally unworkable then. Twats, the lot of them.
| 2 July 2008, 2:24 pm |
Wonder if the crazy Palestinian in the bulldozer today in Jerusalem was a MB member?
Was the bulldozer a Caterpillar? If it was then all Israelis and Jews should divest from this vehicle (sorry) of terrorism!
| 2 July 2008, 2:36 pm |
It was a Caterpillar.
| 2 July 2008, 2:37 pm |
Not quite on topic but still…
Some of the inane views attributed to UK Moslems turn out to be untrue and just reflect desperate attempts at political correctness by minor bureaucrats. This latest incident is however a corker.
Dundee police have seen fit to apologise to the local Moslem “community” for a postcard campaign featuring their popular trainee police dog Rebel, (a German Shepherd).
Mohammed Asif, a Dundee councillor who sits on the Tayside Joint Police Board, raised the issue of the postcards with the local Chief Constable John Vine. He said “My concern is that it is not welcomed by all communities with the dog on the cards and it was a waste of resources going to these communities”.
Those familiar with these situations will realise that “community” is a New Labour euphemism for an ethnic community with more than its usual share of trouble makers. Cllr Asif was objecting to the use of the police dog in an advertisting campaign because all dogs are unclean to Moslems.
Cllr Asif explained “‘They (the police) should have understood. Since then, the police have explained that it was an oversight on their part, and that if they’d seen it was going to cause upset they wouldn’t have done it.’
Councillor Asif, who is a member of the Tayside Joint Police Board, said that the force had a diversity adviser and was generally very aware of such issues. (Deep Sigh)
Police force “diversity advisors” are another New Labour scam, usually involves appointing an ethnic (usually Asian) police officer to a senior role to liaise with “our communities” (see above).
A spokeman for Tayside Police said Rebel had proved “incredibly popular with children and adults. He attracted record visitor numbers to our web site. ”
Meanwhile as a nation of animal lovers, why should we be dictated to in this way by bombastic British Moslems?
| 2 July 2008, 2:38 pm |
Because there is a very clear dividing line between the political, social and humanitarian activities of Hezbollah, and the military activities. They’re in no way connected at all.
Is this sarcasm?
| 2 July 2008, 2:50 pm |
Meanwhile as a nation of animal lovers, why should we be dictated to in this way by bombastic British Moslems?
SHUT UP! If you EVER again suggest that the tiny minority constituency of 1.8m Muslims shouldn’t be allowed to dictate to the other 60m of us then you put your own life in danger when Shariah Law comes in.
In fairness its probably only about 30,000 Islamists or so who are pushing this.
Be quiet!!! Do you want us all to be targetted on the justification that we don’t accept something as serious as a puppy on a postcard??
Already Islamist are picketing Andrex and also demanding that the Canine Defence League be banned. Police forces are changing real dogs for robo-dogs which have an Islamic seal on them (a bit like Kosher Food).
Any Muslim found to be involved with a dog-fighting ring will be ignored as will all Asian shops owned by Muslims which sell booze and top-shelf mags.
If you DARE raise any glimmer of a mention of hypocricy or suggest its all a test to see how compliant we are to small suggestions and then larger ones like “Change Foreign Policy” then you are too smart my lad and a charge of apostacy will be swiftly executed.
| 2 July 2008, 2:55 pm |
Maven: Are you suggesting Israel use death squads like the ones US organized among Iraq’s Shias and used against the Sunnis?
| 2 July 2008, 2:58 pm |
Wonder how long before the New Statesman, Guardian, the Independent, etec will call for all Zionists, i.e. Jews to be expelled once again from Britain?
| 2 July 2008, 3:15 pm |
Wonder how long before the New Statesman, Guardian, the Independent, etec will call for all Zionists, i.e. Jews to be expelled once again from Britain?
Obviously the natural destination will be Israel, thus putting further pressure on Israel not to relinquish the OT and to build settlements on them to house these immigrants fleeing persecution. Probably require a few Israeli Arabs to be ‘relocated’ too. Once again the Palestinians will have a great reason to thank the West’s intervention in the area.
| 2 July 2008, 3:43 pm |
David T: Yes
Wait, how do we know that wasn’t sarcasm as well?
| 2 July 2008, 5:36 pm |
Hardly a surprise - this kind of thinking is mainstream amoung British muslims - you may remember that poll last year in which a plurality of the British Muslims questioned, responded that British Jews were “legitimate targets”.
This finding got little coverage (the MSM focussed almost exclusively on the more positive findings of the poll), and there even seemed to be something an unwillingness to digest this finding here at HP. I can only imagine the reaction if a comparable attitude towards British muslims has come out of a poll of British jews.
On the evidence available, not only are a plurality of British muslims anti-semites, but that this plurality would cheer on murderous violence against British Jews. To put this in context, this is a much larger proportion of the UK population than have ever voted BNP - and such views are obviously at least equivalent to the filth that is the BNP political philosophy.
| 2 July 2008, 6:54 pm |
So, Britain has no problem importing large numbers of anti-Semites (and doubtless haters of British culture as well) and then pretending nothing is wrong. No wonder people are looking favorably on the BNP. When did national suicide become a good thing?
| 2 July 2008, 6:57 pm |
The words jew and zionist are used interchangeably in Arabic. Likewise Christians. People of whatever their ideaology are identified by religion so the Americans will be called “the nasara” the Christians and Israelis “al yahood” the Jews.
Saying “evil/noxious Jew” isnt worse than saying “evil/noxious Muslims”- something we often hear from zionists- Melanie Phillips even used Nazi like language to report this story -comparing Muslims to insects.
So taking a word that has one context in one language then translating it and applying the context of your translation is pretty pathetic. We see it is the use of words like “Islamist” (sic)
At least he didnt call for a “shoah” against Palestinians as the Israeli govt has
| 2 July 2008, 6:59 pm |
DaveW
“On the evidence available, not only are a plurality of British muslims anti-semites, but that this plurality would cheer on murderous violence against British Jews.”
this is a disgraceful, libellous comment. Using anti-semitism to stoke up hatred of Muslims is pretty de rigeur these days though.
| 2 July 2008, 7:01 pm |
LOL -a post intended to protest demonisation of Jews turns into an anti- Muslim hate fest. Welcome to Harry’s Place- where irony goes to diw..
| 2 July 2008, 7:12 pm |
The words jew and zionist are used interchangeably in Arabic. Likewise Christians. People of whatever their ideaology are identified by religion so the Americans will be called “the nasara” the Christians and Israelis “al yahood” the Jews.
that sounds like b.s. to me. me is saying that Arabic cannot distinguish between Zionists and Jews? What did they do before the late 1800s? And Arabic can’t distinguish between Christians and Jews? Just a pile of crap. And, were it true, it would only mean that Arabic speakers are idiots, which is probably not the case.
| 2 July 2008, 7:22 pm |
Seymour Paine
“that sounds like b.s. to me. me is saying that Arabic cannot distinguish between Zionists and Jews?”
no that many Arabs use yahood (Jews) to refer to zionists -this is clear from speaking to them and clarifying.
“And Arabic can’t distinguish between Christians and Jews? ”
You clearly didnt understand my post.
But you DO understand some comments in Arabic.
LOL
| 2 July 2008, 7:23 pm |
ignore “me”: He is just Flanker’s latest pseudoym.
| 2 July 2008, 7:51 pm |
By the same token, when a person says “all Muslims should be deported”, all they’re really saying is that they’re objecting to the presence of Islamists?
Uh huh
| 2 July 2008, 7:53 pm |
yeah best ignore “me”, he’s here to provoke a reaction
he’s thick arse racist and certainly doesn’t speak arabic, whereas DaveM does
according to Google translations, Jew in Arabic is:
يهودي
whereas Zionist in Arabic is rendered as:
الصهيونى
so they are different.
| 2 July 2008, 7:59 pm |
Perhaps a more accurate translation would be:
“The Jew who refuses to pay the Jizya when we create our glorious Calpihate”
| 2 July 2008, 8:05 pm |
And then, if he said that, “me” could come on here to explain that a Jizya tax was a progressive form of taxation designed to compensate the working class Muslim world for their losses at the hands of the Jews. And the Caliphate, hed explain, was a sort of socialist welfare state thinggy.
| 2 July 2008, 8:13 pm |
@me is just a stupid Antisemite.
The words jew and zionist are used interchangeably in Arabic. Likewise Christians. People of whatever their ideaology are identified by religion so the Americans will be called “the nasara” the Christians and Israelis “al yahood” the Jews.
Bollocks, as someone said earlier “What did they write before the word Zionist in the 1800’s”.
Saying “evil/noxious Jew” isnt worse than saying “evil/noxious Muslims”-
Antisemites always get this wrong. Especially Muslim-supporting or Muslim-based Antisemites (like you). A Jew is a member of a racial/ethnic group. A Muslim is anyone. Any race, nationality,colour, ethnicity etc.
something we often hear from zionists- Melanie Phillips even used Nazi like language to report this story -comparing Muslims to insects.
An obvious slander.
At least he didnt call for a “shoah” against Palestinians as the Israeli govt has
Lying c*nt! The word ’shoah’ means ‘disaster’. He didn#t even CALL for a disaster, he said the Palestinians were bringing a disaster upon themselves.
Hatred like yours is like a cancer. I wish you hatred
| 2 July 2008, 8:35 pm |
So why is you tolerate the genocidal hate speech of Mark Elf and his JSF? In the US most people would clearly see him for what he is; a neo nazi ‘Jew’ (and I put it in quotes since I’m no more convinced of Mark’s cries of “But I’m Jewish you CAN’T condemn me!!!” than I am of any other nazi who claims to be a super-Jew either) on the payroll of the Arabs? It’s all well and good to agree that self appointed ‘clerics’ scream and foam at the mouth in Arabic about their infinite retarded antisemitism. That’s like saying water is wet. It’s quite another for the clapped out ex Soviet Marxists to tell you why it’s a good thing that all Israelis should be exterminated, as Mark Elf often does.
| 2 July 2008, 8:46 pm |
Well done Modernity, I was beginning to fret.
| 2 July 2008, 9:01 pm |
“me”? ha!ha!ha!ha!ha! are you serious when you wrote “The words jew and zionist are used interchangeably in Arabic. Likewise Christians. People of whatever their ideaology are identified by religion so the Americans will be called “the nasara” the Christians and Israelis “al yahood” the Jews.”
really? They’re interchangeable if you’re an Antisemite. If you’re an Arabic speaking Antisemite then you say Zionist to the foreign audience, and say Jew to your local audience.
If you’re an English speaking Antisemite you say Zionist to the cameras and Jews when you’re attending a BNP/Combat 18 committee meeting behind closed doors.
Oh and Americans are called Americans. At least that’s what they called them in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan and Yemen. Just as French are called French, Spanish are called Spanish etc. etc. And non Antisemites (those that I met) called Israelis Israelis.
Oh “me” if you’re going to lie, at least do some proper research first. The word you used for Christians ‘nasara’ نصارى is a Quranic word that hasn’t been used for hundreds of years and it’s not a word people now use. I had to look it up because I hadn’t heard it. Today was the first time I even heard of that word.
The word people use that means Christians is مسيحيين sort of pronounced misseeheen (but writing it in Latin script doesn’t really do it justice).
Though as I mentioned, people call Americans Americans. (Whatever you’re on “me” can I have a smoke?)
| 2 July 2008, 9:55 pm |
“The words jew and zionist are used interchangeably in Arabic.”
Nope.
“Saying “evil/noxious Jew” isnt worse than saying “evil/noxious Muslims”- something we often hear from zionists- Melanie Phillips even used Nazi like language to report this story -comparing Muslims to insects.”
So, does the fact that some call Muslims evil make it alright to call Jews evil? Based on your logic, you should have no problem in condemning Sawalha’s description of Jews as dastardly. An Iranian government newspaper compared Azeris to cockroaches. Would you accuse the Iranian government of using Nazi language?
“So taking a word that has one context in one language then translating it and applying the context of your translation is pretty pathetic.”
Sure, but the context was pretty clear and the translation was correct.
| 2 July 2008, 10:03 pm |
Mohammad Sawalha may not be the most saintly of people but libel is libel and if you are going to broadcast, not a mis-translation, but a flagrant addition to this mans interview prepare yourself for a long an expensive case in the high court.
Furthermore as the only people referring to British jews as noxious is Dave M then obviously he is guilty of spreading racial hatred designed to cause a breach of the peace.
It is fairly ironic that the harshest criticism of the celebrations were by Israeli citizens and jews. Why are you not making a fuss about their comments? I’d suggest racism.
| 2 July 2008, 10:14 pm |
“On the evidence available, not only are a plurality of British muslims anti-semites, but that this plurality would cheer on murderous violence against British Jews.”
The president of the British Muslim Initiative has just under-written that analysis, with his attack on the ” evil/noxious Jew in Britain”. This is hate speech directed against Britons who are Jewish, whose families have lived peacefully and productively in our midst for many generations. He said it in arabic because he is not entirely confident he could get away with saying it in English. Yet.
If a plurality of British muslims wish to repudiate Jew-hatred, they could start by calling for the dismissal and prosecution of this man for racist provocation. I don’t reckon they will.
This is not about Israel. It isn’t even about supporters of Israel.
It’s about the hatred and aggression which permeates islam.
| 2 July 2008, 10:23 pm |
Monty
“If a plurality of British muslims wish to repudiate Jew-hatred, they could start by calling for the dismissal and prosecution of this man for racist provocation. I don’t reckon they will.”
Given that the plurarity of British Muslims have never even heard of him or his organisation (for one thing they are generally from the subcontinent and he is an Arab speaking Arab a language not many understand) why would they do that? Its not as if Britains Jewsih community has repudiated Muslim-hatred - look at who’s head of a major Jewish charity!
If what he said was true he should be dismissed but “prosecution of this man for racist provocation”- why when people say far worse about Muslims (look at Mark Steyns genocidal rabtings) and get away with it recall the Daily Telegraph compared Muslims to dogs)
Sorry but there has to be equality -if Muslims are going to prosecuted for verbal abuse on non-Muslims the reverse must also happen. You and your ilk excusing venemous hatred against Muslims under “freedom of speech” is just a mask for your hatred.
| 2 July 2008, 10:25 pm |
Yes Brett ‘Cohen’; surely a long and expensive case in the high court beckons and Im sure the folk at Harrys Place are watching the fax machine with baited breath.
And then…
“It is fairly ironic that the harshest criticism of the celebrations were by Israeli citizens and jews. Why are you not making a fuss about their comments? I’d suggest racism.”
Did you not see the (earlier) post on ‘Debs’ Fink? Quite a fuss was indeed made of her comments.
Not engaging brain before posting is a prerequisite for cretins like TheIriot, Fwanker et al. So you are in good company. But even they tend to read the bloody blog before posting.
Twat.
| 2 July 2008, 10:30 pm |
Brett was being ‘ironic’ of course……wasn’t he???
| 2 July 2008, 10:32 pm |
Whereas ‘me’ (Flanker/Flankers best friend) wasn’t being ironic.
He is just genuinely thick and not a little unpleasant.
| 2 July 2008, 10:46 pm |
” (look at Mark Steyns genocidal rabtings)”
I’m rather surprised to see you accusing Steyn of advocating genocide. I dare say Steyn’s lawyers would be similarly fascinated by this rather defamatory allegation.
| 2 July 2008, 10:48 pm |
David T
“Perhaps a more accurate translation would be:
“The Jew who refuses to pay the Jizya when we create our glorious Calpihate””
Why not ? you and your MEMRI style friends translate Arabic however you want
“And then, if he said that, “me” could come on here to explain that a Jizya tax was a progressive form of taxation designed to compensate the working class Muslim world for their losses at the hands of the Jews. And the Caliphate, hed explain, was a sort of socialist welfare state thinggy.”
And David T would explain Israel is a democracy where Jews and Gentiles have equal rights. Your putting words into my mouth shows dishonesty and desperation. Jizya was a tax paid by non-Muslims who could afford it. Muslims had to pay another tax zakat. Its funny that the main target of Muslim mistreatment of non-Muslims you can produced is they made non-Muslims pay tax!!! Shocking -can you imagine a non-Muslim country demanding Muslims pay tax. No Muslims in the UK pay tax. Jizya excused non-Muslims from obligatory military service.The Jews (oooh can I say that) in the Ottoman Empire once went to the Sultan and asked to be excused paying it - he explained that they could if they agreed to enlist . They said theyd rather pay tax.
“By the same token, when a person says “all Muslims should be deported”, all they’re really saying is that they’re objecting to the presence of Islamists?
Uh huh”
Saying you resent someone and saying you want them deported (please tell us David where can British Muslims be deported to?) are categorically different. What is it with you and deporting Muslims?
Maven
“me is just a stupid Antisemite.”
Whereas you are a smart Muslim-hater
well done Maven.One nearer the quota.
“The words jew and zionist are used interchangeably in Arabic. Likewise Christians. People of whatever their ideaology are identified by religion so the Americans will be called “the nasara” the Christians and Israelis “al yahood” the Jews.
Bollocks, as someone said earlier “What did they write before the word Zionist in the 1800’s”.”
yahood - which is also used for zionists
Saying “evil/noxious Jew” isnt worse than saying “evil/noxious Muslims”-
“Antisemites always get this wrong. Especially Muslim-supporting or Muslim-based Antisemites (like you). A Jew is a member of a racial/ethnic group. A Muslim is anyone. Any race, nationality,colour, ethnicity etc.”
Ok thats ok then to kill Muslims cos they aint a race- there was nowt wrong with the Serbs exterminating the Bosnian Muslims because they were the same race after all. Maven was his chosen anti-prejudcie to be above others - a kind of chosen peoples prejudice worse than any other
In any case its untrue-Jews are a religion not a race= you can convert into Judaism- you cant convert race - and one look at the Israeli population shows people who are white to people who are black.
As another poster on here said to me Jews arent a race but a religion.
“something we often hear from zionists- Melanie Phillips even used Nazi like language to report this story -comparing Muslims to insects.”
An obvious slander.
Really -read her post then
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/811236/just-look-what-crawled-out.thtml
“Lying c*nt! The word ’shoah’ means ‘disaster’. He didn#t even CALL for a disaster, he said the Palestinians were bringing a disaster upon themselves.”
Great so if someone said “Israel is bringing a shoah upon itself” youd be a OK?
Yes and the BMI mean zionist when they said yahood.
“Hatred like yours is like a cancer. I wish you hatred”
Judaism in action. Is there no forgiveness of or mercy towards gentiles in your religion at all?
| 2 July 2008, 10:52 pm |
” recall the Daily Telegraph compared Muslims to dogs”
Keep digging!
Do you need an extra shovel? JCB? I doubt that you need either. You have the approach of a super-twerp who could dig himself into hell with a teaspoon.
| 2 July 2008, 10:56 pm |
Monty
“I’m rather surprised to see you accusing Steyn of advocating genocide. I dare say Steyn’s lawyers would be similarly fascinated by this rather defamatory allegation.”
Thatd be hilarious - zionist wet dream Mark “free speech” Steyn sues someone for what they said! Would the butterball Mr Steyn grace us with his rotund presence during proceedings?
Perhaps I could share a lawyer with Kenan Malik who wrote:
“Not many would go along with Steyn in suggesting that genocide might be the answer to the Muslim problem, if only we could find someone to carry it out. Others, however, are quite happy to treat all Muslims as criminals and to inflict collective punishment. ”
http://www.kenanmalik.com/essays/weltwoche_islamophobia.html
Who would Harrys Place back in the case ? I can just see the opening lines - freedom of speech is precious..but of course it has its limits
| 2 July 2008, 10:57 pm |
“me” will now demonstrate the courage of his convictions by revealing his true identity…..
| 2 July 2008, 10:59 pm |
Me
” recall the Daily Telegraph compared Muslims to dogs”
Monty
“Keep digging!
Do you need an extra shovel? JCB? I doubt that you need either. You have the approach of a super-twerp who could dig himself into hell with a teaspoon.”
“All Muslims, like all dogs, share certain characteristics.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2004/07/25/do2504.xml
| 2 July 2008, 10:59 pm |
““me” will now demonstrate the courage of his convictions by revealing his true identity…..”
Luke …I am your father
| 2 July 2008, 11:19 pm |
“All Muslims, like all dogs, share certain characteristics.”
Good luck with that submission by the way….
Who did you say you were? And where are you posting from?
And your lawyer is who?
| 2 July 2008, 11:23 pm |
I’m not interested in persecuting Kenan Malik right now.
Let’s get back to you…
| 2 July 2008, 11:47 pm |
me
Judaism in action. Is there no forgiveness of or mercy towards gentiles in your religion at all?
Eff of back to Stormfront, will you?
| 2 July 2008, 11:56 pm |
“me”, I wouldn’t be so focussed on who you are, and where you are, if you had not seen fit to defame several named persons, plus a national newspaper, on this website. Which is not your website.
It is the equivalent of messing in someone else’s knickers and then creeping away pretending it was them, and not you.
It earns you the rank of Class 1 Category A dirty bugger.
| 3 July 2008, 12:20 am |
HP admins,
these neo-nazi wannabe (”me” and friends”) are very disruptive on these threads, I do wish they spend more time at Lenin’s tomb, etc
| 3 July 2008, 12:48 am |
“Jizya excused non-Muslims from obligatory military service.”
- This, like most of the comments of “me” is a gross generalisation and innacurate.
You’ve really got to wonder when “me” posts and he makes TheIrie or Flanker start to look good.
| 3 July 2008, 1:21 am |
I’m sorry but is there something I’m missing here? I know Arabic well and I’ve just looked up the link to Al-Jazeera you provided .There is no such wordالوبيل . In fact Sawalha clearly uses the term ‘Lobby’ اللوبيand not this odd and awkward word that DaveM claims that he has ‘translated’الوبيل, i.e. ‘al-wabeel’…that doesn’t even mean anything, let alone ‘evil/noxious’ as DaveM stupidly puts it.
Seriously, is this just stupidity at play, or are you guys just sensing
that you’re losing the war out there and have resorted to what can only be termed…reaching??
This is a clear lie! It is better for you to take this hoax translation off your website before Sawalha take you to court!
| 3 July 2008, 2:18 am |
It’s strange. The Al-Jazeera article may have been changed. I am pretty sure I read “disastrous Jew” (الوبيل means disastrous) before, but now it appears to refer to the Jewish lobby (اللوبي). I think the article has been rewritten after Sawalha complained and perhaps Al-Jazeera misquoted him. But DaveM original translation was, in essence, correct - it was a racist slur on Jews.
| 3 July 2008, 8:35 am |
Of course DaveM translated it correctly. We’ve saved the original. Al Jazeera has simply changed the text.
It makes a lovely change to have neo Nazis and Hamas supporters threatening us with a mere libel action. Usually they just try to murder us.
| 3 July 2008, 9:53 am |
An arabic speaking friend of a friend checked the original piece, and said it was 100% correct. He’d have translated the key phrase as “Jewish evil in Britain” rather than “Evil Jew”, though.
Al Jaz changed the words to “Jewish lobby” after we spotted it. The words “evil” and “lobby” do not look remotely similar. This is not a matter of one small spelling mistake. They’re different words.
In other words, they’ve been found out.
| 3 July 2008, 10:08 am |
David T: We cannot know whether Sawalha actually said those words or he was misquoted. Even so, the phrase “Jewish lobby” in the rewritten text is not without controversy as it is often used to imply a Jewish conspiracy. It would have been more accurate to say “pro-Israel lobby” (which includes non-Jews but does not encompass all Jews, eg the absurd Netauri Karta), but instead he casts an entire people as a single entity and speaks of his resentment of them. Incidentally, I would have just the same problem if a speaker at a BNP demonstration spoke of his resentment of the Muslim community and the “Muslim lobby”. Resenting an entire people because of current political events is highly prejudiced and Al-Jazeera’s “corrections” don’t put Sawalha in a better light in my opinion.
| 3 July 2008, 10:11 am |
Again in the link to AlJazeera it talks about “lobby” nothing else .Any Arabic speaking will know that.That word “Wabeel” is very odd in Arabic to be used and has no meaning in this context.Clearly you made it up to justify your predetermined agenda.It is formed with the same letters in Arabic If you keep up this very inaccurate translation you will definately end up in court!
| 3 July 2008, 10:22 am |
“If you keep up this very inaccurate translation you will definately end up in court!”
You obviously did not read the original article, before Sawalha’s quote was changed.
| 3 July 2008, 10:34 am |
Google’s cache has the page with the original quote attributed to Sawalha (the phrase is highlighted): http://74.125.39.104/search?q=cache:To2S4jlCTAsJ:www.aljazeera.net/NR/EXERES/C4889FEE-E9FE-4EAB-BCC2-4806F823427B.htm+%22%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%84+%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87%D9%88%D8%AF%D9%8A+%D9%81%D9%8A+%D8%A8%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%B7%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8A%D8%A7%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3
| 3 July 2008, 10:35 am |
Just read it soon, or the cache will be updated with the revised article.
| 3 July 2008, 11:08 am |
British Muslim Initiative
http://www.bminitiative.com
News release
Attention: news desk
For immediate use
Zionist Racist website lies in order to justify its hate-rhetoric
While ‘Harry’s Place’ may not be known as a bastion of truth and balanced comment - not even in the remotest sense of these words - its latest blunder shows it as an entirely incompetent source of information.
In ‘reporting’ the anti-Israel demonstration that took place at Trafalgar Square on Sunday the 29th of June, the moderator of the said blog quoted BMI president Mohammed Sawalha’s comment to Al-Jazeera as: “We, the Arab and Islamic community, gather here today to express our resentment at the celebrations by the Jewish community and the evil/noxious Jew in Britain” – Translated by DaveM.
What is beyond doubt is that DaveM seems to be an entirely incapable and dangerously incompetent translator, clearly failing to understand and hence translate the simple word ‘Lobby’. This word is pronounced in Arabic identically to the way it is in English, and is written phonetically in identical style.
It is of course possible that DaveM and the moderators of this vile blog-space - which has made it its mission to attack Islam and Muslims in whatever underhand methods it can get away with - deliberately skewed the word ‘Lobby’ to turn it into some other word and make it seem as though it means ‘evil/noxious’, in order to portray not only Mohammed Sawalha, but BMI and all the projects that Mr. Sawalha is linked to, as ‘Jew-haters’ and ‘anti-Semitic’.
This was immediately picked up by the likes of Melanie Phillips who wrote in The Spectator, quoting this error and using it as fact to further her campaign to demonise an individual who has done for community relations and cultural dialogue far more than she can ever lay claim to.
Anas Altikriti, spokesman of BMI, commented earlier: ‘This particular blog-space and its moderators are nonentities and insignificant. However, its danger lies in that in the past some corners of our mainstream media have picked up on its drivel and used it as fact.
This is another example of not only very basic incompetence at play, but pure evil that sees no shame or wrong in plainly lying for the purpose of demonising certain individuals and organisations, regardless of reality or facts”.
BMI have alerted its legal advisors to this matter and will be monitoring the blog-site in question as well as any quoting of this error by any other media outlet, and will be pursuing measures to bring those who do to account.
Religion of Peace…..