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Thank you. I’m desperately trying to get out the front door… all thumbs…

Why are the Sudanese of all persuasions, except the ‘radical’ Muslim caste, entitled to seek asylum on these shores?

If I wanted to know the real story of Darfur and Sudan in general, I’m unlikely to get it from this ‘Act for Darfur’ claptrap.

The Egytians know the Sudanese pretty well given their interwoven history, but you won’t find many teary eyes in Cairo…or Kom Ombo come to think of it. Gangs of rampaging Sudanese (Northern and Southern) regularly clash with Egyptian native youths on the streets of Cairo.

Amongst the plethora of grievances is the propensity for Sudanese (who are entitled to free access to state services under a long-standing reciprocal agreement) to steal, rape and sit on their lazy behinds. Egyptian youths whose own future is severely curtailed by the ongoing economic stagnation and corruption, find it incomprehensible that so many Sudanese should benefit from UN handouts and support. They are incandescent at the UNHCR volunteers and sundry Western prof. aid hustlers who enjoy the ’spiritual’ companionship of the Sudanese in their homes whilst wallowing in their token fashionable cause Western moral relativism.

I wonder if the Act for Darfur campaign will mention the human misery caused by Furi people traffickers, the endemic prostitution, Furi crime rates in cities from Cairo to Marrakesh that host them…

Act for Darfur…support real constitutional reform in Khartoum, not uninformed, grossly oversimplified UN orchestrated handwringing in London.

I can’t speak first hand for the situation in Egypt (can you, given your email address?) but it sounds much like the ugly responses to economic tensions in South Africa.
Your bilious rant does not however accord with my experience of Darfuri refugees in the UK. I do not accept that what I have experienced of the encounters with them by the people who are mentoring them are reducible to radical chic, and even if they are so perceived by some, so be it- the improvement however modest, to the well being of people who have endured horrors, is practical and demonstrable.

And as for UN orchestrated; the UN is incapable of orchestrating a junior school recorder trio.

Er…given my email address…I dare say I could speak with a lot more conviction on the matter than you seeing as I’ve been a resident in Cairo, Sudan (North and South..but not NW), North Africa and the ME for a significant period of time. Indeed, I witnessed FIRST HAND the Sudanese (ic. Furis) instigated violence at the ‘peaceful’ protest outside Masjid Mustafa Mahmoud, Mohandessin in 05.

I can’t speak about Furis in London (thank the Moongod!) but if they’reanything like their violent, feckless, unsociable counterparts in Cairo and Jebel Ra’d then I’ll pass thanks.

You sound to me like the same aid hustlers who perpetuate Furi suffering here in Cairo…perhaps you have regular ’spiritual’ encounters with them too?

As for radical chic…why don’t the feckless native inhabitants of London engender your support? Why are the Nubians (pretty close geographically to Darfur) neglected by aid hustlers and professional hand-wringers? No doubt they will be when they merit a page in Harpers and Queen (the English edition of course).

Sorry if I’ve offended you but I find the general approach to Darfur a ‘PR consciencious one’. It doesn’t bear up to scrutiny or the test of time. Where were all the hand-wringers when the beatings and killings were blighting Mahallat ul Kubr? The Sudanese govt. are just an easy target at the moment…I’l try not to rant so billiously in the future.

I’m glad to hear my experience doesn’t accord with your ‘ experience of Darfuri refugees in the UK.’

I’m also pleased to note that ‘what [you] have experienced of the encounters with them by the people who are mentoring them are reducible to radical chic, and even if they are so perceived by some, so be it- the improvement however modest, to the well being of people who have endured horrors, is practical and demonstrable.’

Good on you…just don’t believe everything they say…cos its likely to be tosh!

Actually, compared to, say the Palestinian cause, in the UK, supporting Darfur or Darfuri refugees has been until very recently been an unglamorous, unsung minority preoccupation.

I think this is an excellent campaign. ami says, “the improvement however modest, to the well being of people who have endured horrors, is practical and demonstrable.” which is entirely the point.

There is a but though. I just can’t help it. In the “Act for Darfur” background it states “With millions displaced, hundreds of thousands dead and countless women raped, the crisis in the Darfur region of western Sudan is recognised as the world’s greatest humanitarian disaster. It is synonymous with atrocities, ethnic cleansing and crimes against humanity, which many people believe amount to genocide.” Well, there is a factual inaccuracy there – it simply isn’t the world’s greatest humanitarian disaster, as bad as it is. To understand this its necessary to define when we are talking about. If we are talking about today, Iraq has 4.7 million refugees, at least as many dead, but probably many more than 400,000. Plenty of ethnic cleansing. Plenty of crimes against humanity. If you talking about, pre-Iraq, there may well be a case for putting Sudan at the top – the worst attrocities were, I think, in 2003. But then, we’ve also got to consider Congo – something we have almost entirely ignored, with a death toll higher than Rwanda 4-5 million.

My question – why Darfur? Especially given that the situation is currently improving there. Supporting Darfur or Darfuri refugees is noble. But supporting all refugees, and people from all conflict zones, irrespective of the political trends, which are like fashions, is surely better.

TheIrie: I personally don’t think it appropriate to spend energy in promoting Darfur for top spot in a contest of disasters (the word humanitarian is also a problematic characterisation) but I wonder on what you base your view that that the situation is currently improving there? The UN mediator resigned in despair a week ago, and then there was the killing of 7 and injuring of 22 peacekeepers last week, and the continued bombing of civilians:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/africa/article4318950.ece

Ami, to put TheIrie’s case simply: the Sudanese are not Palestinians
so they’re not really worth worrying over. And as most of the Sudanese causing the problems are Arabs, while most of the Sudanese being persecuted are black, this makes the Sudan problem even more unimportant….

‘Actually, compared to, say the Palestinian cause, in the UK, supporting Darfur or Darfuri refugees has been until very recently been an unglamorous, unsung minority preoccupation.’

Indeed. I’ll try and pop down to see this, ami. I presume it’s open to the public.

typical nonsense from TheIrie, like there should be some bloody league table
of atrocity.

The Sudanese govt is largely responsible for the crisis in Darfur, so there is a comparatively simple solution, pressure them to stop funding the killing, etc

that’s why

sackcloth and ashes: Yes it is a public demo.

I think I see why TheIrie (and others) express such a ambivalence in these matters, I’ll bet they see the ICC not as a court trying to bring to justice mass murderers, etc but rather as a tool of “western imperialism” oppressing developing countries?

Sad, sad, sad…I wonder which fashionable cause will be next – you can bet it won’t be the dispossessed of Tilbury that’s for sure…

Albert – ’so they’re not really worth worrying over…’

Yup..no arguments there

‘…And as most of the Sudanese causing the problems are Arabs, while most of the Sudanese being persecuted are black, this makes the Sudan problem even more unimportant….’

You’ve been reading too much MSM Albert. The ‘Arabs’ as you call them were more than likely the first ones attacked by rebel militia elements from Darfur…

All Sudanese are ‘black’ the last time I looked…and they’re pretty mixed up too, genetically speaking. Perhaps you’ve read something in the al-Akhbar gossip columns that I missed – I didn’t know the tribes from Darfur distinguishd themselves as ‘black’ from their ‘Arab’ counterparts…but then you’v obviously spent a lot of time with Darfur inhabitants judging by yur comment…

I should pop on down to Act for Darfur to slave your liberal conscience – you’ll fit right in. What’s more you’ll be none the wiser about Sudan or Darfur after your encounter…not that it’ll stop yu from parroting the same tired old hand-wringing leftie nonsense anyway. If you’re lucky you’ll even develop a ’spiritual’ relationship with a tear-jerking sob story to help you get closer to the facts of the moral crusade.

I’ll pray for you…

So there’s no degrading, hostile and hateful behaviour directed against African migrants and especially Sudanese refugees to be concerned about in Cairo, eh BZmCH?

Or if there is that hostility can all be blamed on the Sudenese refugees in Cairo themselves, who are all, or mainly, as you put it “feckless”, “violent”, “criminal”, “unsociable”, “lazy”, “thieving” “rapists” and pimps who rampage against the poor native Egyptian youth on the streets”?

Should we assume as well that the killing by Egyptian border guards and soldiers of what is it, 17 African migrants since the beginning of this year, all desperately trying to escape into Israel is from your point of view entirely justified given the criminal nature and essence of the Sudanese migrants?

And as expected, despite how far BZmCH went in essentializing and denigrating African and Sudanese refugees and migrants in his comments, none of it concerned the doc of chalk, Andrew Ireson, the boneheaded creep who almost always can be relied upon to whitewash on behalf of antisemites and finds frequent opportunities – albeit on convoluted, disingenuous and twisted grounds – to call DavidT a racist and orientalist. Andrew of course was too busy lying about conditions in Darfur improving, and characterizing the US as worse than the Al Bashir regime to worry about essentialized and denigrating characterizations of most or all Sudanese and African migrants.

Bamber Zanji min al-Tukhas.

1) I come from an Arabic speaking family and I find jokey attempt at Arabising your name pathetic
2) I’ve lived in Cairo and seen at first hand how blacks Africans are shamefully treated by their fellow Arab Africans.
3) If you really fail to grasp that the Arabs in Sudan, regardless of their skin “colour” generally do not identify with the non-Arabic speaking Black African population then you’re either unbelievably stupid or willfully ignorant.
4) Good luck with your apologies for genocide.

Well, I agree – it is poor taste to try to rank atrocities, and a formula for doing nothing about anything, ever. On the otherhand I also think its easier to focus on the crimes of the enemy, when we have a direct role in equally bad atrocities, and have far more potential to help the situation improve. What are we doing for Iraqi refugees, I wonder? I know Jordan, Iran and Syria are doing a hell of a lot for them. But what are we doing? Are we actually doing anything at all? 4.7 million of them, remember.

On Sudan, here is what Andrew Natsios, the former U.S. Special Envoy for Sudan and former Administrator of USAID, thinks – A disaster in the making. I think we ought to think about what we are agitating for here. The only question is whether this will improve the lot of the Sudanese. See this excellent article for why this may not be the case.

Oh, and the same article backs up my claim above about the timing – “Relief agencies have documented how the pattern of abuses in Darfur has changed since the firestorm of 2003-04, when more than 90 percent of the violent deaths occurred.”

Iraq has 4.7 million refugees, at least as many dead, but probably many more than 400,000…

The UNHCR says 1.8 million. Have you counted them all personally, Irie?

Anyone noticed that the BBC has found evidence of Chinese supplied trucks in Darfur, since the UN embargo, and photographed this. They are also suggesting the Chinese are training pilots too.

“The BBC has found the first evidence that China is currently helping Sudan’s government militarily in Darfur. The Panorama TV programme tracked down Chinese army lorries in the Sudanese province that came from a batch exported from China to Sudan in 2005.

“The BBC was also told that China was training fighter pilots who fly Chinese A5 Fantan fighter jets in Darfur.

“China’s government has declined to comment on the BBC’s findings, which contravene a UN arms embargo on Darfur.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7503428.stm

Panorama: China’s Secret War will be on BBC One at 2030 BST on Monday 14 July 2008

Mrs Ben

My apologies for my comments earlier – I foolishly let my own personal feelings and experiences vomit out under this post.

Ibnaz – Perhaps you should consider this soothing apothegm from the popular 12th century Shaykhi cleric Mujtahed Shitibumzadeh ben aal-Mujtahed: ‘Every Ibnaz is Hussein. Every day in the UNHCR is Ashura and every Jebl Ra’d is Kerbala.’

=’So there’s no degrading, hostile and hateful behaviour directed against African migrants and especially Sudanese refugees to be concerned about in Cairo, eh BZmCH?’=

There is ‘racism’ in Cairo towards Africans…but it is merely a reaction to a grossly overpampered, irresponsible, unpurposed, corrupt and feckless Sudanese underclass.

=’Should we assume as well that the killing by Egyptian border guards and soldiers of what is it, 17 African migrants since the beginning of this year, all desperately trying to escape into Israel is from your point of view entirely justified given the criminal nature and essence of the Sudanese migrants?’=

I can’t speak about that but something of the memory of seeing 3 Egyptian police officers (100le/month) trampled and beaten to death by frothing Sudanese savages before my very eyes back in Sept. 05 lingers on…perhaps the 17 deaths you quote were payback for the all the violence, fecklessness and criminality caused by these victims’ brethren…who can say? They probably didn’t deserve to die…

Just last night, reports came in of a Sudanese manhandling a young Egyptian girl just down the road from me…needless to say the local Egyptian populace were less than pleased…

=’Or if there is that hostility can all be blamed on the Sudenese refugees in Cairo themselves, who are all, or mainly, as you put it “feckless”, “violent”, “criminal”, “unsociable”, “lazy”, “thieving” “rapists” and pimps who rampage against the poor native Egyptian youth on the streets”?’=

Most of it can…Egyptians are a fairly law-abiding lot, and they’ve had to endure some pretty dire times of late. But, when their backs are against the wall…

=’And as expected, despite how far BZmCH went in essentializing and denigrating African and Sudanese refugees and migrants in his comments, none of it concerned the doc of chalk, Andrew Ireson, the boneheaded creep who almost always can be relied upon to whitewash on behalf of antisemites and finds frequent opportunities – albeit on convoluted, disingenuous and twisted grounds – to call DavidT a racist and orientalist. Andrew of course was too busy lying about conditions in Darfur improving, and characterizing the US as worse than the Al Bashir regime to worry about essentialized and denigrating characterizations of most or all Sudanese and African migrants.’=

Not sure what you’re trying to say here. I am not self-loathing so I cannot be considered by any stretch of the imagination an anti-Semite.

My advice Mr Ibnaz is to make contact with ‘I am’. He want to meet with you and make contact again. He told me its beena while since you last made contact. His relationship is based on love, not false relativism and chicanery. You can make contact easily, just phone 0800-BLESSED-BE-HIS-NAME…

I’ll pray for you.

Albert – My apologies if I have in some way drawn your ire…but, name-calling and assuming false positions and qualifications wull do you no good…

Al-Tukhas? That must be some sort of Arabised Hebrew insult that the savages use in Judea…ya achi!

=’1) I come from an Arabic speaking family and I find jokey attempt at Arabising your name pathetic=

Yup…no arguments there…perhaps I can appeal to your sense of reason, with a seasoned quote from the fabled 15th century Hanafi jurist and apocryphal gospel/mishnah exegete Imam Snaky Ishaal bin ‘Usufrukt’s treatise on Good Manners: ‘Adab ul Jins min Wara’.

Bin ‘Usufrukt, in his seminal work, recommends critique thus:

“The renowned companion, Abu ‘Amaar was passing a bush one day when he caught sight of the Messenger of Allah and ar-Rahman (SAWS) wiping his infallible behind with a piece of Gharqad bark. ‘What are you doing?’ cried Abu ‘Amaar, ‘For that is the sacred bark of the Gharqad tree which will warn us of our Semitic underlings!’ The Messenger of Allah, ar-Rahman, ‘Uzza and a few others (SAWS) chastised him for his insolence. Grabbing Abu ‘Ammar by the hand, he said: ‘Never criticise a festering bum licker…especially when he hasn’t hasn’t finshed his ritual purification yet.”

=’2) I’ve lived in Cairo and seen at first hand how blacks Africans are shamefully treated by their fellow Arab Africans.’=

Really? So pray tell, which part of Cairo would this be? Matareya, Saft ul-Laban? Maybe it was in Juba and you forgot that it was actually Sudan and the ‘Egyptians’ you imagined doing the ’shameful treatment’ were actually Dinka savages…

=’3) If you really fail to grasp that the Arabs in Sudan, regardless of their skin “colour” generally do not identify with the non-Arabic speaking Black African population then you’re either unbelievably stupid or willfully ignorant.’=

As you say, I must be ‘wilfully ignorant’ or ‘unbelievably stupid’ to think that all Sudanese speak Arabic and that they define themselves as ‘black African’ or ‘Arab’…have you been worshipping Baal again? Is that the problem? Do Babylonian fertility gods have this effect on everyone who glorifies them…tell you what, forget Wikipedia for a day, spend a few months travelling round Sudan and then come and report on your findings as to whether all Sudanese define themselves as either ‘black’ or ‘Arab’ an whether they all speak Arabic as a ligua franca or not…

=’4) Good luck with your apologies for genocide.’

Thanks, I’ll do that. I’ll carry on ‘apologising for genocide’. Perhaps we should coin another term ‘truthacide’ and hold a forum hosted by celebrities to discover its pernicious effects…we could call it ‘Willllful Ignorance and the High Society Cause of Darfur’…you could sponsor it Albert, no doubt with generous funds providded from your eminent ethnological research foundation…

Sorry folks…’billious rant’ over – shan’t darken your postings again.

Bamber-Gascoigne Zanjy, I lived in Muhendesin, admittedly some twenty years ago, and I made several black-African friends and acquaintances while in Cairo. Inbetween my shock at seeing how popular Arabic translations of “Mein Kampf” (Kufahi) and the Protocols were – openly sold in the streets and even in “respectable” bookshops, I was further depressed to see in person the disgusting treatment that local Cairenes generally meted out to black African residents and visitors. (From time to time one or tow Egyptians would correctly guess I was Jewish and then treat me pretty badly too).
As for your insistence that there are no non-Arab Sudanese, I guess you must know more than the UNHCR (see for instance http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:9UJpNNpnwiwJ:www.refugee-rights.org/Newsletters/Darfur/V3N1InternalFlightinSudan.htm+%22non-Arab+Sudanese%22&hl=es&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=es)

As for my “insult”, your total confusion between Hebrew (tahat) and Yiddish (tukhes), just about says it all…

When in Cairo as guests of some Cairenes of the professional class, the subject of Black people didn’t come up, but I was taken aback at the easy racism directed at non Egyptian Muslims, such as Pakistanis, whom they spoke of with disparaging elitism and superiority.

Of course Bamber is talking nonsense about the Arab/black issue in Sudan. I have heard myself Arab Sudanese proudly self identifying as such, and many Darfuris, including historians from the university there, (lying, thieving raping historians?) self identifying as black and not Arab.

Not to mention the well known Amnesty documentation of the awful racist taunts as the Darfuri women were being raped.

I have written here before about the startling carvings I saw on a sarcophagus in the Cairo museum, depicting the triumph of the classically Aryan featured ancient Egyptians over their subjugated enemies, depicted on the one side of the box as semitic hook nosed figures out of Der Sturmer, and on the other, black people with exaggerated negroid lips and noses. It made me wonder about the ancient origins of racism.

Just one more:

Albert – in your original post you said: ‘And as most of the Sudanese causing the problems are Arabs, while most of the Sudanese being persecuted are black, this makes the Sudan problem even more unimportant….

I replied: ‘You’ve been reading too much MSM Albert. The ‘Arabs’ as you call them were more than likely the first ones attacked by rebel militia elements from Darfur…

All Sudanese are ‘black’ the last time I looked…and they’re pretty mixed up too, genetically speaking. Perhaps you’ve read something in the al-Akhbar gossip columns that I missed – I didn’t know the tribes from Darfur distinguishd themselves as ‘black’ from their ‘Arab’ counterparts…but then you’v obviously spent a lot of time with Darfur inhabitants judging by yur comment…

Then you said: ‘3) If you really fail to grasp that the Arabs in Sudan, regardless of their skin “colour” generally do not identify with the non-Arabic speaking Black African population then you’re either unbelievably stupid or willfully ignorant.

I replied: ‘As you say, I must be ‘wilfully ignorant’ or ‘unbelievably stupid’ to think that all Sudanese speak Arabic and that they define themselves as ‘black African’ or ‘Arab’…have you been worshipping Baal again? Is that the problem? Do Babylonian fertility gods have this effect on everyone who glorifies them…tell you what, forget Wikipedia for a day, spend a few months travelling round Sudan and then come and report on your findings as to whether all Sudanese define themselves as either ‘black’ or ‘Arab’ an whether they all speak Arabic as a ligua franca or not…

Somewhere in there I must have got confused cos I could swear your initial comment distingished between ‘blacks’ and ‘Arabs’, and the ‘Arabs’ were, according to you, not ‘black’…that’s profanely silly.

But then you changed your tune by claiming that I don’t acknowledge that some portions of the Sudanese population ‘identify’ as being different to their ‘Arab’ countrymen…this was a valid assertion but you dug a bigger hole for yourself by claiming that these ‘black’ Sudanese don’t speak Arabic….silly!

This is basically a semantic fallacy that you’re pedalling: as far as I’m concerned, and the early Arabic language (mostly Persians) scholars back me up, Arabic is a language and not an ethnicity. Therefore, if you speak Arabic and use it as a lingua franca as ALL Sudanese do, then you’re by definition an Arab. Arab is an ethnicity in the sense its used in the West but this is down to the peculiarities of oriental scholars and the Nasser inspired ‘panArab’ concept. Just because many Arabic-speaking nations have minorities which speak another language as well, does not render them non-Arab linguistically speaking. Ask an Egyptian if he’s an Arab and he’ll probably box your ears, cos the Egyptians consider themselves distinct ethnically from those ‘Arabs’ of Gulf and Saudi origin…this doesn’t stop them from referring to themselves in textbooks, the media, politics etc. as ‘araby/Arabic-speaking or being founder members of the League of Arab Nations…which considering you ‘lived’ in Mohandessin you should know all about…perhaps you lived in a different Mohandessin in your imagination…perhaps there was a 90 ft effigy of an owl where you sacrificed babies to your fertiliy god…who knows?

The main point of all this being that you clearly don’t know anything about ‘Darfur’, which you have in common with most other ‘genocide’ agitators. Why would I need to go to a UN website to tell me about things I have witnessed with own goggles? The reality is that the conflict which you conveniently slice into ‘Arabs’ versus ‘blacks’ is actually far more complicated. Try living in Khartoum for a couple of years and then see if you can tell the difference between a ‘black’ and an ‘Arab’…its even less clear cut in the area i which you attest ‘genocide’ to have taken place…

Last point. Your knowledge of Hebrew is admirable but calling me ‘from the arse/nether regions/undercarriage’ in some sort of mishmash Hebrew/Yiddish/Arabic pidgin is not particularly commendable. If I were to curse you in a Cushitic language that you didn’t understand would it make you feel better?

My advice – give up the Baal worship whilst you still have a chance to foment a relationship with ‘I am’. I was speaking to him this evening: He asked after you and wondered why you hadn’t made contact for a while. He would advise a sound rereading of the Teacher’s books followed by the etablishment of a loving, platonic relationship with Him. Its easy, all you have to do is call. Dial 0800 BLESSED BE HIS NAME.

Shalom

Ami – If native Arab speakers from Shamal Darfur aren’t Arab then I don’t know what they are. I’d say they mostly ’self-identify’ as Muslim, then Arab, then Sudanese…as for them referring to themselves as ‘black’ it seems fallacious to me…maybe it’s a recent phenomenon inspired by the media exposure. Why would they identify as ‘black’ when all Sudanese are ‘black’. No-one in the UK used the term ‘white’ until the race hustlers in the 70s started to use such terms. Why would anyone need to?

Judging by the respect working class Egytians have for, what they see as the religiously authentic Pakistanis – what with their massive rhodadendra-like beards. Egypt is also a major tourist destination for Pakistanis and Indians, so the ‘Caireans’ hosted you were unlikely to have been representative…perhaps they were Copts? I’ve never heard Egyptians speak about other Muslims with anything less than admiration – the exception being the ‘Gulf’ Arabs and Saudis who come over here to sodomis little boys, get drunk and run poor working class Egyptians over in their Ferraris and Aston Martins.

Egyptians generally mistrust non-Muslim Sudanese because of their propensity for violence, fecklessness and welfarism. Alas, Egyptians aren’t entitled to the same handouts as the poor, dispossessed Sudanese, Ivoreans and assorted other ‘indigents’. They resent the various Africans who strut around their country with fancy designer clothes, free accommodation and ’spiriual’ Western friends. Yet, they see no work carried out to obtain these outward signs of luxury.

I should pop down to Nigeria, any largish metropolis will do, and regale them with your theories on Aryan inspired racism towards black people. You should last all of five seconds before they cart you off to some alley or other for a spot reeducation.

Amnesty ‘I hate the Jews’ International…the world’s leading purveyors of tripe, race hustling and victimhood awareness propaganda.

No doubt you’ll be visiting IslamExpo to ingratiate yourself with the Moongod too…

Bamber – who are you really?

I am me and he is I…

Give up the Baal worship…80ft owl effigies will do you know good however many babies you sacrifice…

Put your trust in Hisham and the Teacher…Hesham knows about all the genocide in the world and He never forgets…eternal isolation from Him is far worse than any temporal earthly sanctions…

Why, I recall the words of a former ‘Usooli jurist-cum-snakeoil salesman, who converted to Baalism whilst on ziyarah:

‘The radiance of Qom, Isfahan and the blessed shrine of the Mujtahed-e-akbar bear no comparison with the Light of Moloch and his 7 Minions.’

Shortly after this he fled to Dushanbe, renounced the occcultation theory and grew talons. Needless to say, we parted company after that…

Trust me. A few minutes of pleasure in thrall to Baal and his spiritual guide Esau are no consolation for eternity spent in dark, lonely isolation…

You know the number: 0800 BLESSED BE HIS NAME