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Is this a call for Obama to be killed in Iraq today?

Or a justification for the killing of Sergio de Mello?

“Nobody knows Iraq like I do among the British political class, nor understands the forces of the Iraqi resistance as well.”

How come he understands the “resistance” so well? Is he in contact with them?

Nice “Margaret Hassan would be alive if the Foreign Office hadn’t stopped me” line, too.

What on earth could be wrong with endorsing a threat to kill all foreigners unless they leave a country? Presumably it is his respect for this effort to erase all foreign presence in Iraq that explains why he has not set foot in the place since his old mates were removed from power.

According to Galloway’s book, the ‘Al Jihad brigades in Iraq’ even wrote to him to thank him for his support:

While European leaders were exercising the most vicious acts on us and humiliating our Umma, you and many others - such as Roger Garudi and Ramsey Clark - stood honourably and firmly defending and supporting us.

What lovely company.

Well according to George, Hassan was a legitimate target.
Not a bona fide journalist, and a foreigner.

I wouldn’t take his “stories” about his role in that too seriously, of course, it all has to be about George.

Roger Garudi, or Garaudi is the French Holocaust denier.

According to Galloway, Margaret Hassan was

married to an Iraqi and lived there for years before the invasion, not some mercenary feeding on the roast of the occupied country

But sadly,

All foreigners - except bone fide journalists - were warned by the resistance from the start to leave. If they did not they would be treated as mercenary auxiliaries to the occupation and would be killed or kidnapped.

So of course she got exactly what she deserved.

Is that what George is arguing?

How much longer will British Politics have to put up with this disgusting treacherous lowlife in our midst. Surely if he hates the UK so much and enjoys the company of murderous Islamists and their supporters maybe he should be sent to a country where such backward, antisemitic, undemocratic, sexist attitudes are part of the Government policy.

Galloway has done so much damage not only by encouraging terrorist jihadists in Iraq and elsewhere but by using his Respect vehicle to encourage and legitimise the idea that voting on the grounds of race and religion is respectable.

Part of the reason why there has been a growth in the bnp is Respect/SWP/Galloway has presented the white working class with a vision of the Left that doesn’t give a toss about their concerns but is only interested in supporting those who attack us.

A Scotsman representing Londoner Bangladeshis spouts forth about foreigners. Another shining example of hyprocrisy from our political classes.

Galloway says in the article “Gordon Brown should quit posturing behind the guns and get negotiating the release of these suffering British citizens.” - and suggests a prisoner swap might help. So you may not like his tone, but he is proposing a way of keeping these men alive. Is he right or wrong about that ?

GG said:

They are the young men and young women who decided, whatever their feelings about the former regime, some are with, some are against.

well, as they used to say in the bad old days of apartheid, “a woman’s place is not in the kitchen, a woman’s place is in the struggle.”

but who knew that “young women” were playing such a central role in punishing the kuffar? The implication of GG’s statement is encouraging, from a queer theory and womyn’s studies standpoint: it’s reassuring to imagine the input of such putative groups as rainbow caliphate and purple jihad is so valued by the islamic muqawama in the land of the two rivers.

The guy who was kidnapped was a computer expert who was there to help the Iraqi Government; does George actually believe his presence was detrimental to Iraq or does he just say whatever his supporters want to hear?

So you may not like his tone, but he is proposing a way of keeping these men alive. Is he right or wrong about that ?

I would be in favour of sending Bob Pitt and Geoffrey Brown over, in exchange for these hostages.

If George’s links to, and knowledge of the “Resistance” are a matter of fact, then perhaps he could tell us why most of them have stopped fighting, despite his predictions and urgings.

On the other hand, like his “opposition” to the Ba’athists, until we see some evidence, its safer to presume that he’s fantasising.

Ann On:

and suggests a prisoner swap might help. So you may not like his tone, but he is proposing a way of keeping these men alive. Is he right or wrong about that ?

Conveniently neglecting that the prisoners the “Shi’ite Islamic Resistance in Iraq” want releasing include several accused of killing American troops.

So, it’s obviously not going to happen. Galloway, the revolting bastard, is simply legitimising their demands and doing his bit to prolong the captivity of the men in question.

Mephisto said:” Galloway, the revolting bastard, is simply legitimising their demands and doing his bit to prolong the captivity of the men in question.”

Galloway is as always seeking to feed his own ego no matter what the wider costs whoever pays it whether it be the people of Iraq or the people of East London.

Galloway is your Uri Avnery.

‘Presumably it is his respect for this effort to erase all foreign presence in Iraq that explains why he has not set foot in the place since his old mates were removed from power.’

My thoughts exactly. I sometimes wonder what would happen if Galloway actually met ordinary Iraqis if he didn’t have the Baathist state protecting him - as it was in his 14 visits pre-2003.

Perhaps we could swap him for the hostages. I’m sure the ‘Shi’ite Islamic Resistance in Iraq’ won’t hurt him.

I think those Iraqis (ie all those over 5 years old) who were defrauded to pay his hotel bills may have a view.

Perhaps some of Udays rape victims could provide him with an honour guard from the Airport to Sadr City.

Sackcloth and Ashes said:”Perhaps we could swap him for the hostages. I’m sure the ‘Shi’ite Islamic Resistance in Iraq’ won’t hurt him.”

Aha! At first that sounds like a good idea but when it comes to it why bother kiddnapping or holding someone like Galloway who nobody wants back.

GG - “I Pray for the Safety of Barack Obama”

“Obama Arrives in Iraq”

The spivs prayer

“All foreigners - except bone fide journalists - were warned by the resistance from the start to leave.

If they did not they would be treated as mercenary auxiliaries to the occupation and would be killed or kidnapped.

Amen”

Fabian:

Galloway is your Uri Avnery.

In terms of sheer repulsiveness, meanness of spirit, arrogance and destructiveness, more like Baruch Marzel…

Both, dubi.

indeed.

Part of the reason why there has been a growth in the bnp is Respect/SWP/Galloway has presented the white working class with a vision of the Left that doesn’t give a toss about their concerns but is only interested in supporting those who attack us.

You make a good point there.

[url]I would be in favour of sending Bob Pitt and Geoffrey Brown over, in exchange for these hostages.[/url]

[url]Perhaps we could swap him for the hostages. I’m sure the ‘Shi’ite Islamic Resistance in Iraq’ won’t hurt him.[/url]

Could we throw in Richard Farnos and John Wight for laughs?

Fabian from Israel wites, Galloway is your Uri Avnery. High praise indeed, thank-you Fabian.

As for the British mercenaries who are held prisonoer by the Iraqis, I have little sympathy for them. They went to Iraq to make a lot of money out of the sufering of the Iraqi people. British mercenaries from Aegis even filmed themselves shooting at random at Iraqi civilians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REiJf5sdVb4

They are murdering scum, but thanks to their British paymasters, they have immunity from prosecution.

The British and American occupiers could have freed their people by now if they had released the Iraqis and Iranians they hold hostage. Perhaps they should copy what Israel has just done.

Resistor,
Your position is actually more moderate than Galloways.
His position is to support the killing or kidnap of ALL foreigners in Iraq except bona fide journalists.

According to Galloway’s book, the ‘Al Jihad brigades in Iraq’ even wrote to him to thank him for his support:

While European leaders were exercising the most vicious acts on us and humiliating our Umma, you and many others - such as Roger Garudi and Ramsey Clark - stood honourably and firmly defending and supporting us.

Revealing, isn’t it, that Galloway has no problem with being included in the same pantheon as the Holocaust denier Garaudy.

Resistor is some kind of neocon zionist.

Could this not be construed as advocating attacks on British troops? Could he or the Record not be hammered?

It is interesting to reflect back on that second quote from Galloway.

The reality is that the Al Qaeda “resistance” is indeed losing ground, and increasingly the insurgents are being confronted by Iraqi military units.

‘Could we throw in Richard Farnos and John Wight for laughs?’

Throw in that anti-Semitic, Milosevic-loving little shit ‘resistor’ as well.

“The reality is that the Al Qaeda “resistance” is indeed losing ground, and increasingly the insurgents are being confronted by Iraqi military units.”

The problem is the guys holding these Brits are from the opposite side of the fence, and the circumstances around their kidnap does look like there was some collusion with Iraqi security forces.

It’s a murky world. The current Iraqi PM is linked to the first use of a suicide car bomb to destroy an embassy.

sackcloth and ashes said:”Could we throw in Richard Farnos and John Wight for laughs?’”

I’d be tempted to add in the entire Central Committee of the Socialist Workers Party / Respect on the grounds that it would improve British Left politics if they weren’t around.

Reality is the only thing he’s resisting.

As I mentioned in a thread a thousand feet south of here:- On Galloway’s radio program he waqs asked a question about Kuntar. Galloway is a man who prides himself with detail and KNEW how man y years Kuntar had been in prison but feigned some ignorance of why he was there. Rather than state “He smashed the skull of a 4-year old child” he said that he knew what it was the Israelis had said he had done, and if that were correct/true then what he did was ’sinful’.

Of course Galloway couldn’t bring himself to broadcast what he obviously knew as it would embarrass him to have to mention it, I assume. It seems that killing Israeli children with a rifle butt is ’sinful’ but the death of a Palestinian Terrorist might be described as a massacre/atrocity.

How can he live with himself. He says he is a devout Catholic and yet supports the Muslim cause ignoring that the Koran denies that Jesus rose from the dead or was the Son of God. So, he accepts the Ressurection but has also denied that God called the Israelites his “Chosen People” or gave them the Land of Israel. “It was men who wrote the Old Testament” is what he argued with a caller - yet it was ALSo men who wrote, re-wrote and revised the New Testament and the stories of Jesus. That seems OK by George.

When “resistor” goes out at night in Bagdad, he dresses up as a fair bint and calls himself “transistor”

Georges fantasy world now consists of him telling his viewers on Press TV that he’s doing “gods work”.And his audience on TalkSport that the “special police listen to his programme to track his political direction”.
He’s always made stuff up.
I just worry that he might have started to believe it.

I don’t have time to read your full article right now. However, I agree with the sentiment, that George Galloway is indeed, disgusting, and it bears repeating. George Galloway is disgusting.

Oh look it’s ‘resistor’, the cosy slippers and cup of hot cocoa insurgent. I find the best way to ease the intense irritation, and indeed wave of nausea, that occurs when he posts is to imagine the pitiful little prick actually in combat.

I’d bet all I have that his pants would be fully loaded the moment an American or British soldier came within a mile of him.

Of course, ‘resistor’ is the type of fighter that would never let that happen. He’d rather be dealing with low wage Nepalese workers, Shiite pilgrims, women, children, journalists, trade unionists and students that form 95% of the insurgents’ victims.

It’s just as well we have this war to keep him sitting in his bedroom with a stiffy, rather that out there doing something to the neighbourhood pets.

Ann On:

Like a broken clock, Galloway can be seen to say the “right” thing once in a while, but his motive for doing so is in preparation of the next general election.

Galloway could care less about anything or anyone other than himself and the lifestyle that being an apologist for murderous, oil-rich totalitarians has brought him. And hanging onto political office is what keeps him on the gravy train. As a private citizen, he’d be of no interest to his current best friends in Damascus and Tehran.

I was rather fascinated by his mockery of Broon publicity faux pas. The PM does need some sound advice on how to present himself, but perhaps not from a loudmouth self-promoter, who lashes out at critics like an ageing stroppy teenager and demands to be treated with reverence after disporting himself on live TV wearing make-up and a leotard.

And his contribution to the life of his professed faith is restricted to the oft-murmured prayer of readers and viewers:
“Oh Christ, he’s back in the news!”

Galloway will do anything to grab attention for himself. And he is not exactly over-endowed with talent. So he has embarked on this spiral of obnoxious behaviour. But the degree of offence has to escalate at every stage, because otherwise the public would just ignore him.

’sackcloth and ashes said:”Could we throw in Richard Farnos and John Wight for laughs?’”’

Actually it was Alec McP, but I can’t say I disagree violently with that suggestion.

This week, Israel sank in an avalanche of national hypocrisy and self-righteousness.

Seeking to cope with Hezbollah’s success in getting Israel to release all Lebanese prisoners, dead and living, in exchange for the remains of two Israeli soldiers, Israeli leaders, media and shapers of public opinion have been indulging in sanctimonious lethargy and self-glorification while denouncing the other side as “hateful, uncivilized and representing an inferior culture.”

This is characteristic Israeli behavior. It perfectly characterizes a society that has been living in a state of denial ever since Zionist gangs, aided by western powers, succeeded in uprooting the bulk of native Palestinians from Palestine, their ancestral homeland, and implanting thereon Israel, a state based on racism, ethnic cleansing and distortion of history.

The orgy of lying, especially the shocking amenability of Zionist Jews to take the obscene lies at face value caricatures a people that dreads knowing the truth, let alone coping with it. And when the truth eventually manages to penetrate the “iron wall” of Zionist lies, the custodians of the big lie, which is Zionism, resort to a whole set of defense mechanisms to protect the collective mental sanity of a state whose very existence constitutes a crime against humanity.

Thus, according to this depraved and psychotic mindset, Israel doesn’t murder children and innocent civilians, it is only the victims that bring death upon themselves. And Israelis don’t steal the land and property of Palestinians, since the entire world was created for the sake of the “chosen people.” And even when Jews do commit “certain mistakes” and “sins,” they are not really to blame since it is the victims that always force Jews to make these mistakes.

Hence, the proverbial Palestinian victim of Israeli savagery is always responsible for the demolition of his own home, he is also responsible for the murder of his own children by Israeli soldiers and settlers, and the destruction of his farm, grove and orchard by Israeli bulldozers.

Eventually, the entire Palestinian Nakba is a self-inflicted calamity which the Palestinians brought upon themselves because they refused to succumb to the will of the “chosen people.” More to the point, if the Palestinians don’t come to terms with the Nakba, a greater Nakba, or holocaust, would be wreaked upon them.

Interestingly, the wave of self-righteous overindulgence in Israel has been led by the establishment people, figures that know too well that Israel doesn’t really represent the culture of peace, but rather the culture of war and aggression; they know that Israel is inculcated with a criminal and murderous mentality that differs very little from the Nazi mentality.

Yes, they do know all of this, but like all murderers, thieves and liars, they dread facing the truth. This is why they always try to turn the black into white, the white into black and the big lie into a truth glorified by millions of “beneficiaries” at home and ignorant “fans” abroad.

It may be particularly difficult to convince the “beneficiaries” of their sinfulness, namely the fact that they are living in homes that belong to other people and living on land that belongs to another people.

However, for the sake of the ignorant or naïve fans in Europe and north America as well as the rest of the world, it is imperative that they know the naked truth about this sick and sickening state that claims to be the sole true inheritor of Judaism while thinking, behaving and acting very much like the Third Reich.

Let us remember some of the “glorious expressions” of Israel’s culture of love in recent years.

Chris Hedges is a prominent journalist and author specialized in American and Middle Eastern politics. He worked for a number of publications including the Christian Science Monitor, the Dallas Morning News and the New York Times where he spent 15 years.

In his recent book, War is a Force that Gives Us Meaning, Hedges tells a chilling story from his trip to the Gaza Strip during the heydays of the Intifada, or the second Palestinian uprising against the Israeli occupation.

Hedges watched how ten- and eleven-year-old Palestinian children were lured to their neighborhood’s perimeter fence by taunts from a loudspeaker on the Israeli side. “Where are all the dogs of Khan Younis? Come! Come!” The Israeli voice barked insults at the boys’ mothers. The boys responded by hurling their rocks at the jeep with the loudspeaker. The Israelis shot at them with M-16s fitted with silencers. Hedges found the victims in the hospital, children with their stomachs ripped out, and with gaping holes in their limbs.

Writing for “Harper’s Magazine” (see The Nation, March 11, 2002), Hedges wrote: “Children have been shot in other conflicts I have covered. Death squads gunned them down in El Salvador and Guatemala, mothers with infants were lined up and massacred in Algeria, and Serb snipers put children in their sights in Sarajevo, but I have never before watched soldiers entice children like mice into a trap and murder them for sport.”

Another “expression of love”: In November 2001, an undercover unit of the Israeli army buried a mine in the sand that flows around Abdullah Siyam Primary School in Khan Younis in southern Gaza.

A few hours later, as Palestinian children headed to school, the mine exploded. Five school kids were instantly reduced to broken flesh. The youngest was six. All the victims came from the same extended family: Akram Naim Astal, 6 and his brother Mohammed, 13; Omar Idris Astal, 12 and his brother Anis, 10; and their cousin Muhamed Sultan Astal, 12. Their young bodies were mutilated beyond recognition. The limbs of one child were found 50 meters away. Some of the kids could only be identified by their school bags, brightly colored and spattered with blood, still dangling from their butchered bodies.

Hasbara doctors in Israel might seek to extenuate the gravity or even whitewash these crimes by claiming that these were “individual acts” that didn’t reflect the overall policy of the Israeli government and army.

However, this is a big lie. In 2001, the noted Israeli award-wining journalist Amira Hass interviewed an Israeli sniper in which the soldier described the commands he received from his superiors:

“Twelve and up, you are allowed to shoot. That is what they tell us,” the soldier said. “So,” responded the reporter, “according to the IDF, the appropriate minimum age group at which to shoot is 12.” The soldier replied: “this is according to what the IDF says to its soldiers. I don’t know if this is what the IDF says to the media.”

A further “expression of love and humanity of Israeli culture” manifested itself, also in Gaza, in 2004, when an Israeli occupation army soldier, dubbed Captain-R, shot a Palestinian girl, Iman al Hums, who was on her way to school. However, the soldier was not sure whether the 13-year-girl died or not. Hence, he walked to the bleeding child, and instead of trying to save her life, he shot her 25 times, emptying his entire magazine of bullets into her innocent body “ to verify the kill,” a standard Israeli army practice in such circumstances.

Now, the reader might be prompted to think that the murderer was arrested and made to stand trial for his hair-raising crime. Well, the opposite happened. The soldier not only was exonerated of any wrongdoing but was also awarded tens of thousands of dollars for being “damaged by unfavorable media coverage.”

In truth, it is not only Israeli army soldiers and officers who play the Nazi game. Zionist rabbis routinely issue religious edicts that would allow Israeli troops to murder non-Jewish children knowingly and deliberately without having to worry about any ramifications, moral or otherwise.

In May 2007, shortly before Israeli occupation soldiers murdered two Gaza children who apparently were searching for scrap metal to sell for a few cents in order help feed their impoverished families, the former Israeli Chief Rabbi, Mordechai Elyahu, petitioned the Israeli government to carry out a series of carpet bombings of Gaza cities.

Elyahu argued that a ground invasion of the world’s most crowded spot would endanger Israeli soldiers. He said, “If they don’t stop after we kill 100, then we must kill a thousand. And if they do not stop after a thousand, then we must kill ten thousand. If they still don’t stop we must kill one hundred thousand, even a million, whatever it takes to make them stop.”

Earlier, Elyahu, a prominent Talmudic sage, called on the Israeli occupation army not to refrain from killing Palestinian children if that means saving the lives of Israeli soldiers.

The above-mentioned are only sporadic examples of the barbarian spirit inculcated in Israelis, especially soldiers dispatched to the occupied Palestinian territories. It is this barbarian mindset that makes Israeli soldiers abduct Palestinian school children and take them to nearby Jewish settlements where they are used as “training objects” by Jewish youngsters. It is this barbarian mentality that makes Jewish soldiers force helpless Palestinian laborers to do certain depraved acts such as drinking soldiers’ urine and singing, individually or in unison, “wahad Hommas, wahad fool, Allah Iyhay-yee Mishmar Gvul” (one ‘dish’ hummus, one broad beans, may Allah greet the Border Police)!!!

There are of course thousands, even tens of thousands, of examples which one could easily and readily cite to underscore Israeli barbarianism.

To be sure, this disgraceful reality is known to many Israelis. In 2001, Shulamit Aloni, a former minister of education, wrote in the Israeli newspaper Ma’ariv that “we have become a barbarian people.”

So, what makes a leftist, liberal woman see in Israel what the vast bulk of Israelis, including the country’s intelligentsia, wouldn’t see?

Is it Israel’s collective psychosis, the denial syndrome?

http://palestinethinktank.com/2008/07/20/khalid-amayreh-israels-collective-psychosis-the-denial-syndrome/

Nurse, the curtains.

that’s the problem with these jew hating nutters, like Kuntarman, they are often too thick to express themselves so have to rely on re-pasting stuff from others

I think he’s burst something, it’s gone frightfully quiet.

Kuntarman’s right. As a student in the ’60’s I supported the Israelis, as the underdogs, in their fights for survival against the neighbouring Arab countries. Later I met Palestinian refugees in Khartoum and learnt how they had been dispossessed of their homes and villages. I realised that, in righting one wrong (the holocaust) the world had allowed another wrong to be perpetrated (the enforced removal of Palestinians from their homes). From the comfort and security of your home, it’s easy to criticise the actions of Palestinians crammed into the Gaza Strip and the West Bank but I wonder how many of us would not be driven to similar extreme forms of action out of sheer desperation, frustration and outrage at the injustice of being forced to move from our communities into squalid refugee camps. We can all support the Palestinian cause by boycotting Israel and all things Israeli - including business and produce in the shops.

B. Stoker is Kuntarman’s father. Kuntarman is figuratively a descendant of Goebbels. Both practice the Big Lie Technique backed up by distortions of real events and totally fictious ones. The use of Palestinian by Kuntarman that are themsevles lies are part of his technique. He should be totally ignored as the malicious liar he is.

B. Stoker’s initials are BS as is his statement.

Django, I think you are right, either Kuntarman has burst a blood vessel or has been tranqualized.

In an above post, I said Kuntarman was figuratively speaking a descendant of Goebbels, now I am not too sure of the figurative part. Recall stories of Hitler flying into rage whenever the word Jew was mention in his presence, there seems to be something the same happening here with Kuntarman.

Am I alone in thinking that Kuntarman has undermined the substance of his invective by selecting a moniker named after a man who smashed a child’s skull in?

I am in no way related to Kuntarman, David, but you should really grow up and face the truth of the situation. The state of Israel should never have been allowed to be created. For all its size it’s been the biggest threat to world peace since the terrorists in the Stern Gang (or LEHI, as you would refer to them) forced the state into existence.

B. Stoker, if you think the terrorists of the Stern Gang, a small group, figured in any significant way in the creation of Israel, you are totaly deluded. It is as truthful as your other lies and distortions.

B. Stoker is an ignorant moron and Kuntarman is a product of a one-night stand between Haj Amin al-Hussaini and Hilde Koch.

Can I claim my five pounds?

Oops, Elsa Koch. I mean, Kuntarman’s Mummy.

S.O. Muffin, yes the five pounds is yours as soon as it can be raised from the rest of HP readers!

“to protect the collective mental sanity of a state whose very existence constitutes a crime against humanity”

I love this comment
brilliant

to my knowledge during the partition that lead to the formation of Israel less than 500,000 people where displaced
that was voluntary emigration as well as many Christians and Muslims stayed

The creation of east and west Pakistan ( which became Bangladesh) was accompanied by the displacement of something in the region of 40,000,000 Sikhs Hindus and Buddists (can’t remeber the exact figure)

I’ve never heard anyone ever say that the creation of Pakistan is a crime against humanity

strange that isn’t it?

what possible reason could there be for that?

“but you should really grow up and face the truth of the situation. The state of Israel should never have been allowed to be created”

B.Stoker you seem like a reasonable chap

does the same logic apply to Pakistan and Bangladesh?

If not what grounds would you give for the creation of Pakistan being acceptable and the creation of Israel not?

I thoroughly support the creation of both states
though I’d admit that like all states theres reasons to be critcal of both

“it’s easy to criticise the actions of Palestinians crammed into the Gaza Strip and the West Bank but I wonder how many of us would not be driven to similar extreme forms of action out of sheer desperation, frustration and outrage at the injustice of being forced to move from our communities into squalid refugee camps.”

-yes I know exactly what you mean.
When my family members were in the DP camps after WW2 they had a moment there to consider whether they should choose violent resistance and more than a half-century resentment against Germans and Russians etc for the bad circumstances they were in and use their religious beliefs as fuel for this while waiting for their Jewish/Polish brothers/sisters to help in their liberation and restoration to their ancestral lands, or should they move on and establish a decent life for themselves devoid of poverty, fanaticism and violence?

Fortunately, they intelligently chose the latter option.

It doesn’t make what happened to them right, but then I don’t see people like you standing up for them demanding a boycott of German/Russian/Polish etc goods/services/society/academia to help them - and why is that exactly?

Dislocation:
You have it backwards, it is India, i.e. the Hinduistic Enitity, that must be destroyed and the Moslem Mogul Empire be restored so as to reverse the Evils of British Imperialism!

Oniad: Excellant point! Hit the nail squarely on the head.

So Gorg Georg is les amusing now, and rightly so.

I know that this isn’t exactly “liberal-nice-person-who-happens-to-be-slightly-hawkish party” policy, but I really actually would like to see him stripped of his British citizenship and expelled from the country.

I fear this may make me a fascist authoritarian or somesuch. Never mind, eh? I’ll take a bullet for the team.

Oh, and does anyone really believe the theocratic scumbags that said one of the guys committed suicide despite the tendresse of his captors? Yeah, right. Fucking filth.

resistor
21 July 2008, 1:22 pm

Fabian from Israel wites, Galloway is your Uri Avnery. High praise indeed, thank-you Fabian.

B. Stoker
21 July 2008, 10:39 pm

The state of Israel should never have been allowed to be created. For all its size it’s been the biggest threat to world peace since the terrorists in the Stern Gang (or LEHI, as you would refer to them) forced the state into existence.

you twits do realise that your erstwhile counterpunching hero avnery was a LEHI operative don’t you?

Sackcloth and Ashes said:”Am I alone in thinking that Kuntarman has undermined the substance of his invective by selecting a moniker named after a man who smashed a child’s skull in?”

I think that this admiration bordering on worship of murdering fuckwits is par for the course in some of the more fraggly sections of the Anti Zionist (as they see it but they ignore the large dollop of antisemitism mixed in as well) Left in the West.

Yes, there were Palestinians dispossed at the time of the recreation of the State of Israel but there were also Jews who’d lived in Mandate Palestine who were also dispossesed and Jews who lived for generations in North Africa who were ethnically cleansed by the Arab states.

It was a confilct. Bad things happen in conflicts on both sides. What is needed is a just settlement that guarantees Israel’s security and also gives generous financial compensation and support to Palestinians in the event that there is a two state solution.

One of the saddest things about the plight of the Palestinians is how they’ve been used as a stick to beat the Israeli’s with by other non democratic Arab nations. Palestinians have been left to fester in refugee camps since 1948 by other Arab nations in order to have something to complain about Israel with.

The amount of money available especially in the oil rich states of the region could have been spent more wisely. To be frank there is enough spare cash to build ever displaced Palestinian a four bedroom home with a swimming pool. But that would entail giving the Palestinians something instead of using their poverty as a weapon against the Israelis.

I used to try to engage with the anti Israel obsessives on another site and in the end I gave up. They refuse to accept that confilcts have two sides and each side has to make concessions and approaches in order for there to be peace.

Dislocation quoting an anti Israeli loonspud said:”I’ve never heard anyone ever say that the creation of Pakistan is a crime against humanity

strange that isn’t it?

what possible reason could there be for that?”

I think the reason they stay schtum on Pakistan is they’ve either been bought off either financially or morally by totalitarian dictators a la Galloway or who are just plain Jew haters hiding behind the almost respectable doctrine of anti zionism.

Interesting fact from the Kuntar case. He attacked a house on Jabotinsky Street in Nahariyya.

Jabotinsky Street! They have a street named after a fascist. Is there a Mussolini Street in Rome? A Hitler Strasse in Berlin? No, but there is a Jabotinsky Street in Nahariyya.

Jabotinsky a ‘fascist’? Let’s check the record here:

‘In 1934, for example, Jabotinsky’s Revisionist Party prepared a draft constitution for Jewish Palestine that put the Arab minority on an equal footing with its Jewish counterpart “throughout all sectors of the country’s public life.” The two communities were to share the state’s duties, both military and civil service, and enjoy its prerogatives. Jabotinsky proposed [in ‘The Jewish War Front’ (London: Allen and Unwin, 1940), pp. 216-7] that Hebrew and Arabic should enjoy equal rights and that “in every cabinet where the prime minister is a Jew, the vice-premiership shall be offered to an Arab and vice versa.”‘

Lying little anti-Semitic piece of shit.

Resistor you said that Jabotinsky was a fascist. But Jabontinsky allegedly said:” “in every (Israeli) cabinet where the prime minister is a Jew, the vice-premiership shall be offered to an Arab and vice versa.”

Don’t sound very fascist to me and I should know I saw enough of them growing up. Granted that he is a right winger but not a fash in the Hitler / Mussolini / Mosley mould.

A note from pedant’s corner: Uri Avnery was never in the Lehi, as far as I recall. He joined the Irgun at the age of 14, and then fell out with them and joined a strike unit of the Hagana.

Sackcloth and Ashes said:”Lying little anti-Semitic piece of shit”

Can I borrow that phrase for a t shirt design. it would look great underneath a picture of Galloway.