Harry’s Place

About as interesting as John McCririck turning into a Tony Blair enthusiast in early 1997.

Tell me, Gene, what you think of the Daily Kos’ most recent descent into utter insanity:

“McCain’s latest web ad has lots of young, white women professing their love for Obama. Who is black… They couldn’t say the truth, “because we want to scare people into thinking the black guy wants to rape their young, white daughters.”

Do “progressives” see racism in everything? Isn’t that racism in itself?

“Do “progressives” see racism in everything? Isn’t that racism in itself?”

Yes, apparently referring to Obama as “skinny” is racist too:
http://www.slate.com/id/2196756/

Morgoth, I’ve never had a good word for the Daily Kos that I can recall. I don’t know why you expect me to defend them.

The ad in question is not racist, but– like many of the campaign ads in recent weeks– it’s profoundly silly.

Clever use of distraction, on the day that Chuck Hagel abandons Obama.

Hagel probably represented Obama’s best chance of a bipartisan campaign.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/12/obama-loses-hagel/

‘Foreign policy adventurism’ is the term favoured by ‘America first’ isolationists who want to have nothing to do with humanitarian ventures. It is no surprise to see them flocking to Obama. He would be a disaster for the western alliance.

Morgoth, I’ve never had a good word for the Daily Kos that I can recall.

Good Man.

I don’t know why you expect me to defend them.

I didn’t ask you to defend. I asked for your thoughts on it. Kos being a bastion (fnarr) of your political party.

it’s profoundly silly.

Oh yes, that’s right, The One doesn’t do humour. Not when he has the planet to heal and the sea levels to drop.

Interesting, huh?

Was that sarcasm?

‘Foreign policy adventurism’ is the term favoured by ‘America first’ isolationists who want to have nothing to do with humanitarian ventures.

Exclusively used by isolationists? It’s certainly convenient to label all critics of Bush foreign policy as “America first” isolationists, but it is also a somewhat inaccurate appellation.

The notion that Obama has “lost” Hagel is somewhat inaccurate since he never had him in the first place. Hagel has been a consistent critic of Bush foreign policy, and has worked with Obama in the Senate. He is also friends with McCain. Although critical of the Republican platform this time round, there was no solid indication that he was about to officially endorse Obama, far from run for Veep with Obama. That was just the media getting over-excited. Of course, Hagel’s neutral stance is hardly kind to McCain either.

13 percent of Democrats say they’re likely to vote for McCain; 13 percent of Republicans prefer Obama.”

Interesting, huh?

I really don’t know. Is it at all unusual?

Hagel is so despised by the Right that his endorsement would probably hurt McCain.

BTW, I gather from your title that Lieberman has been expelled from Gene’s Democratic Party.

mesquito,

Assuming nothing drastic happens to tip the scales between now and November, who do you think will win and why? I realize that’s a lot to ask but you seem like the kind of person who would give an honest appraisal, good or bad.

ah, joe lieberman. i think this picture speaks for itself. intergalactic nobility complete with wookiee. shades of obama’s “islamic attire” “expose”.

One more feather in Galloway’s cap.
HP will be next,just watch this space!
London’s Jewish radio station closes after Galloway sues

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/londons-jewish-radio-station-closes-after-galloway-sues-891492.html

Rastalion,
That news is going down well on a Stormfront message board.
Is that where you came from?

I don’t think Georgie would sue Harrys place.
He’d have to find all the accounts, and thats never going to happen.

That news is going down well on a Stormfront message board.
Is that where you came from?

If Rastalion is the same Rastalion as used to hang about this place a few years back, then pretty much, yes. A black muslim convert who happens to be a frothing anti-semite, as I recall.

“Clever use of distraction, on the day that Chuck Hagel abandons Obama.”

Oh no. Not Chuck Hagel. Yes, I’m sure the impact of not having a Republican as his VP will probably do to Obama’s campaign what shagging women behind his terminally-ill wife’s(*) back did to Edwards.

(*) But as he pointed out, hey, she was in remission.

P.

Lieberman seems to be turning more and creepy in his choice of friends - here he is defending Pastor Hagee (you know, the one who isn’t Obama’s pastor and therefore doesn’t get much press):

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/29/lieberman-defends-hagee-his-holocaust-comments-were-taken-way-out-of-context/

P.

Most of us can figure out what motivates Liberman, but I still haven’t figured out the exact source of Hagel’s quite obvious animosity toward Bush. It seems to be far more than a difference over political philosophy. Anyone?

Assuming nothing drastic happens to tip the scales between now and November, who do you think will win and why?

I honestly don’t know. Obama has a couple of advatages. The Democrats’ generic advatage is quite high right now, and McCain’s main political problem is President Bush.

But for all the talk of a New Dawn in American Politics, it will probably be decided the same old way: In Ohio, Michigan, Florida, New Mexico, etc.

I think McCain’s chances look better now than they did a month ago. But he still carries around that Bob Dole odor.

Virgil: Hagel thinks he should be President, and he thinks the rest of us should think so too. He made a fool of himself in 2007 with constant hints of “a big announcement” that was always cancelled or postponed. It became almost freakish.

Lieberman is like the love child of Claire Short and Lembit Opik - with Claire’s winning personality and Lembit’s captivating looks.

But there’s always a “Democrats for Reagan/Bush/Dole/Bush” organisation. What’s unusual is the number of Obamicans (that’s what they call themselves). No doubt they’ll be scared straight during the campaign by some sort of Republican smear commercial.

Oh why did his mother give him the middle name Hussein? And take him to Indonesia? Most mid-westerners think Indonesia, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan are the same place.

The Kandaharian Candidate — wanna buy a movie script?

Lieberman for McCain is hardly news. And putting him on the ticket would cause just enough conservatives to stay at home, or vote for fringe candidates, or even back something like Obama-Webb. So bring on Lieberman. And bring on Webb or someone like him.

Obama, who would undoubtedly want a second term, must be held to the commitments that he has made on trade and war, among many other issues. Especially now that the Democratic Party’s ranks are being swelled by former Republicans such as Bob Conley, the “Ron Paul Democrat” who is this year’s Senate nominee in South Carolina, alienated by the Republican Party’s abandonment of its historic belief in real national security through economic protection, through strictly limited and strictly legal immigration, and through the avoidance of needless wars.

A McCain adviser, Carly Fiorina, has called Obama “the most protectionist candidate that the Democratic Party has ever fielded”. Here’s hoping. And here’s watching.

Republicans for Obama??? As far as I’m concerned these people never were Republicans, and obviously aren’t Republicans now. At best, they are simply weak politicians with little conviction. Calling themselves
Republicans for Obama is just a transparent political P.R. ploy to make it look like even Republicans are switching over to Obama. However, as we get closer to November, Obama is sinking in the polls, and McCain is rising. And, we still don’t know how many of the 18 million Clinton supporters are switching over to McCain. And we still don’t know how many people who said they’d vote for Obama, will actually vote for McCain, in the privacy of the voting booth. Obama has a track record with 9 days of foreign policy, and 16 months in government, and with very little to show for it. McCain has 25 years in the military … 20 years in government … tons of foreign policy experience … proven commitment to this country, as a war hero who paid dearly. If you look at the facts, instead of Obama’s smoke and mirrors, it’s obvious that Senator John McCain should be our next President.

it’s obvious that Senator John McCain should be our next President.

Hahaha

Quite so, Herman.

Howard - “As far as I’m concerned these people never were Republicans, and obviously aren’t Republicans now”? And the Fourth International, behind Bush and now behind McCain (Robert Kagan’s mini-me)?

Among those who went on to become signatories to the Project for the New American Century were *founder-members* of the Fourth International. They were *in the room* when Trotsky set it up. And they have never recanted; indeed, they hate Russia, China, Christianity, the traditional family, and so much else besides, as much now as they ever did.

But they are proper Republicans.

Aren’t they, Howard?

Howard,

You are right on the money. Read this from Newsweek magazine (a publication that is, for the most part, pro-Democrat.)

http://www.blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/08/12/the-obamacan-movement-myth.aspx

David Lindsay’s endorsement for Obama is almost enough to make me go stampeding over to the McCain camp, or at least it would be if David Lindsay was anything other than a pompous irrelevance, at least.

This story is just another example of the little jitters re Obama of those who think of themselves as centre-left/moderate, yet have the same sort of views Lieberman (or indeed this blog) has on international issues. Not completely surprising. Especially if pond slime like Republican isolationists are jumping on Obama’s wagon. We know McCain is a Republican who doesn’t like Republicans - and that gives a certain degree of comfort.

But what about Obama? What does he really think about all of the key international issues and why are isolationists jumping on his bandwagon? Hopefully he’s just playing the usual cynical game. If so, that’s fine, if hypocritical. But what if his instincts really are “no-foreign-entanglements-America-first-put-up-tariffs-inclined” (all from the best and most *progressive* and *visionary* and fundamentally *good* of reasons, you must understand)? That would be a disaster for the world, the west and the US itself in both political and economic terms.

In any case, I’m sticking to my position of anaemic, limp-wristed and totally unenthusiastic support for Obama, on the carefully considered basis that he is not a Republican. He just makes me so excited, what can I say. Yay.

Ben, I wouldn’t regard David Lindsay as typical of anything other than himself (which is why he is the sole member of his political party), but Obama has been taking a bashing from the isolationist and “anti-imperialist” left for some time now.

And these are hardly the words of an isolationist.

Is it at all unusual? (For defections to be the same for both parties) A little. In general, Democrats are more likely to vote Republican than vice versa. And that’s what some recent polls have shown, though not this one. (Probably it is a poll of registered voters, not likely voters.)

Incidentally, that ABC article is deceptive in several ways: The three Republicans are not all Republicans; former senator Chafee (who more or less inherited his seat) gave up his affiliation to the Republican party a year or so ago. And all three of them have something in common, which I will put delicately: They are not great friends to Israel. (I think Gene would be fascinated by Rita Hauser’s record on that subject.) And the article suggests that McCain and Obama are equally willing to work with members of the other party, and that is simply not true.

“Do “progressives” see racism in everything? Isn’t that racism in itself?”

Yes they do -they see every criticism of Israeli atrocities and barbarties as anti-semitic simply because Israel is a Jewish state.
By their logic opposing Mugabe is anti-black racism.