Harry’s Place

He’d have hated the Old Lambeth Country shows of my youth where the army used to let us play on artillery pieces (mind you that did make me an incorrigible warmonger I suppose!)

I wonder what is position on Schools being taken to see the de-activated “fat boy” (or is it a little-boy) in the Imperial war Museum is?

On 5Live messageboards I saw a post that reminded everyone that Galloway works for Iranian tv (Press TV) and that he supports Hezbollah - removed. It was factual and quoted from a newspaper on his Press TV appt and Socialist Worker for his support of Hezbollah.

My point is that at HP we understand what is true and what accurately defines people like Galloway - whereas BBC seems ’shit scared’ of anything about Galloway.

Yes its hypocrisy whan Galloway says he support “the resistance” whether Hamas or Hezbollah. Hamas certainly train kids to handle AK-47’s and declare they would use them to kill. I wonder if the MSM reporting on Galloway will point out his hypocrisy.

I saw an army stall where they were letting kids handle AK47 variants, presumably all taken from the armies of many of Georges best friends.

Galloway seems more interested in protecting British children from handling firearms than he does in protecting Lebanese children from the same

And it’s a bit worse than that though, isn’t it?

Those Lebanese children aren’t just ‘handling’ firearms, they’re being trained as a militia.

was “outraged” that London police allowed children to handle a deactivated submachine gun

Well, if London was a “beautiful Arab daughter being raped by Zionists and Americans” (or something like that), he’d be all for it.

Has not Galloway stated that Britain was being raped by Zionists and their American lackeys?

There isn’t one word for this sort of thing, but there is several:

“being a complete cunt”

This stands out:

“We are, tragically, used to seeing images of primary school aged boys handling assault rifles in Liberia or Mogadishu… but in Limehouse?”

Interesting that he chose West Africa and Somalia as examples, and not Gaza or Lebanon. Possibly because mentioning them in this context might provoke the displeasure of “the resistance”.

So Galloway is ‘outraged’. Big whoop. What’s he going to do, encourage on of his People of No Discernible Religious Affiliation buddies to blow themselves up?

Galloway seems more interested in protecting British children from handling firearms than he does in protecting Lebanese children from the same.

Without the second word, I’d have said a isolationist BNP scroat. With the second word, I’d say an opportunistic, lying scumbag.

And one who has presented no evidence of ever protesting against Saddam’s Iraq.

The SWP on Galloway, when they were still talking to each other:

“I side with the resistance to that injustice. Hizbollah is leading that resistance. I do not hesitate to say, and Blair and his law officers may take note, that I glorify that resistance.

I glorify the Hizbollah national resistance movement, and I glorify the leader of Hizbollah, Sheikh Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah.”

Is there a word for that sort of thing?

Gene

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That word could be:

mullahphile.

It has a nice ring to it.

ops, that link
http://www.socialistworker.co.uk/article.php?article_id=9334

not forgetting the SWP’s blind indifference to Nasrallah’s racism:

“Hassan Nasrallah, the leader of Hezbollah, has said in a speech, “If we searched the entire world for a person more cowardly, despicable, weak and feeble in psyche, mind, ideology and religion, we would not find anyone like the Jew. Notice, I do not say the Israeli.”!

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200805/israel

Maven,
All BBC websites are censored. They are censored in a cowardly, underhand way. And they are censored so as to protect antisemites. This is in addition to the BBC’s own propagation of antisemitic myths.
Visit the Biased BBC blog if you want to see hundreds of documented examples.

Is there a word for that sort of thing?

Yes. It’s called an idiotic opinion from a rancid, pus-filled asshole.

It does seem like an odd way “to divert people away from gun crime”, and its strange to see the police doing this. I’d be interested to understand the rationale behind it. It reminds me of the Cheech and Chong sketch where the Drug Squad Officer goes into the school to show off various dope samples.

I remember handling a machine gun at the Aldershot military tattoo as a kid and it was great. It never even crossed my mind to get hold of one to shoot my classmates up. I was generally obsessed with arms and militaria, but grew up to be a peace protester!

Re. Galloway - the man is obviously incapable of connecting basic thoughts in his brain. But we knew that, didn’t we? I guess there’s no harm in rubbing his nose in his own hypocrisy. The SWP would arm kids in the event of revolution; the Gorgeous One would be laying minefields to defend his mansion.

Galloway seems more interested in protecting British children from handling firearms than he does in protecting Lebanese children from the same. Is there a word for that sort of thing?

actually i think the “racism” of this hypocrisy (if that’s the “word” you meant) goes in the opposite direction to that you implied Gene, or differs in its nature.

British arms are there to protect British children from the criminals and (let’s face it) almost exclusively “Islamic” terrorism (NEVER “resistance” when it’s directed against Britain of course). Grandstanding against “militarism” (i.e. deactivated machinegun) just plays well with the guardian crowd. Protecting British kids from real harm doesn’t mean shit to George. On the other hand, the sacred ancient indigenous sun-people of lebanon (and particularly their children) need to know the workings of an assault rifle at the very least, lest the defilers who rape arab cities once again turn a leery eye to their buxom civic daughters.

“Galloway seems more interested in protecting British children from handling firearms…”

Why shouldn’t British children handle firearms? Under supervision and that. That’s how you develop a safe, sensible, gun-culture.

Or you think guns are evil and we should all live in marsh-mallow land.

Yeah, though. Galloway is a cunt but then doesn’t everyone aboutfrom three Trots and their dog know that already?

Is there a word for that sort of thing?

I dunno. Is there a word for people who obsessively bang on about Galloway?

The Brits at HP are a parochial lot, and their obsession with every word of Galloway, and those tiny irrelevant bits of the British Left, is obviously an incurable affliction. But Gene lives in the USA for Pete’s sake; you would have thought that this vast country would provide ample inspiration!

Maybe he was outraged because he confused the smg with a cluster submunition, After all it IS in the neocon second amendment: “The right to not bear arms (or legs) is duly protected blah blah blah”

OT, but interesting: Here is something you do not see every day. “‘Tinkerbell’ Busted at Disneyland: Demonstrators dress as Disney Charecters in Labor Protest at Amusement Park; 32 Arrested”
at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/15/national/main4352378.shtml

Apparently those loveable folks at Disney are trying to screw their workers out of as much of their health care as they can!
Solidarity Forever, the Union makes us Strong!

But we’re also forgetting one of the issues. There can be no possible reason for a child to handle a sub-machine gun anywhere. What were the police thinking?

posing with guns

On the Beirut visit, in summer 1977, Galloway and the rest of the party were shown around “Fatahland”, a buffer zone in southern Lebanon between the fighting factions, where they witnessed the hardship endured by homeless Palestinians and saw some tit-for-tat shelling. It was a dangerous trip and the group of 25 or so visitors were guarded at times by young PLO men carrying AK47s. The visitors got on very well with their armed escort and at one stage Galloway suggested they have a picture takentogether.Theresultsmakeinteresting viewing. The two guards look a little bemused, presumably not used to British political activists wanting to be pictured next to PLO gunmen just a few years after the Munich 1972 massacre. Galloway, though, is smiling as if he could be on the Costa del Sol, about to order paella and a round of drinks. When the picture surfaced in the press a few years later he was certainly left with egg on his face. It was an example of how he often seems to present PR coups to his opponents.

I hope that none of the money raised by George for Interpal goes to children posing in suicide vests or with guns.
I’m sure it doesn’t.

“Galloway seems more interested in protecting British children from handling firearms than he does in protecting Lebanese children from the same. Is there a word for that sort of thing?”

Wow brilliant Gene. British children arent being bombed and attacked by Israeli airplanes. Lebanese children are.

“it has been widely reported that the majority of the Lebanese killed were civilians, and UNICEF estimated that 30% of those killed were children under the age of 13.[153]”

“The death toll estimates do not include Lebanese killed since the end of fighting by land mines or unexploded Israeli cluster bombs.[11] So far, these have killed 29 people and wounded 215 — 90 of them children.[160]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Lebanon_War

Hezbollah exist because Israel invaded Lebanon.

Claire Short has recorded in the register of member’s interests she went on an all expenses paid trip to Lebanon in July, funded by Hizbollah’s Al Manar Television, which you may know from such programmes as soap opera Al-Shatat which showed Jews killing a Christian child to use his blood for making matzah.

http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/national/?content_id=9821

Hezbollah exist because Israel invaded Lebanon.

And Israel invaded Lebanon because it was being shelled by the PLO inside Lebanon. Are you one of those cunts who thinks Israel has no right to self defence?

“British children arent being bombed and attacked by Israeli airplanes. Lebanese children are.”

The Arabs attack, bomb and murder Israelis. Israel fights back. Live with it, however much you detest the Jews’ right to live freely in their own country. You think this is still 1942 and Jews can be led like sheep to the slaughter? Forget it!

I see Georgies closing of JCom is celebrated by Nazis.

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=514404

Claire Short-brained … why am I not surprised? That moron will automatically support the fascist cause every time.

<Maven,
All BBC websites are censored. They are censored in a cowardly, underhand way. And they are censored so as to protect antisemites. This is in addition to the BBC’s own propagation of antisemitic myths.
Visit the Biased BBC blog if you want to see hundreds of documented examples.

I used to run a blog myself dedicated to BBC Messageboard hate and inconsitencies by the mods there - but gave up as it was a full-time job. Since then I’ve had a few victories over them through some publicity and pressure that was public domain.

I just plug away in the background documenting some of it.

“Claire Short has recorded in the register of member’s interests she went on an all expenses paid trip to Lebanon in July, funded by Hizbollah’s Al Manar Television, which you may know from such programmes as soap opera Al-Shatat which showed Jews killing a Christian child to use his blood for making matzah.”

Why am I not suprised !

GW

Maven,
I don’t just mean the messageboards: the way they are ‘moderated’ is informed by the BBC’s anti-Israel agenda, which is manifested all over the shop, from the way the news is presented on radio and TV and on the BBC news website, all the way to the historical distortions on the ‘background’ web pages.

I don’t know about you but I sometimes get the feeling that blogs are being taken over by nutty conspiracy theorists.

Or is their nonsense just a way of trying to keep ordinary folk from commenting?

ORLY? I am not the sick fuck that supported nuclear genocide. Well at least I am not old enough to have had my children fight in that war, so my hat is off to you.

Doesn’t make any sense Flanker (I wasn’t alive at the time of Hiroshima) - try breathing deeply before you comment next time theres a good little racist.

http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~jskong/orly.gif

I dont really give a fuck when you were born grammy, I just figured it was two centuries ago based on your barbarian wit: “I could never nuke women and children, but I am glad somebody did”.

There’s an really excellent Bren gun simulator at the Tank Museum in Bovington, Dorset. Based on a de-activated 303 Bren. Essentially you ‘fire’ at targets on a TV screen depicting a course of fire on one of the local Army ranges. It’s very realistic. Was there last month.

Just like the real thing, it’s easiest to do well - ie hit specific targets with aimed fire at 200 and 300 metres - if you squeeze off single rounds, rather than use bursts.

Incidentally, most of the UK police Heckler and Koch MP5 ‘machine guns’ such as you see the Rozzers toting at Heathrow, are really semi automatic 9mm carbines. That is, they are limited to single shot only. So this was quite probably a de-activated carbine.

NO… if the gun is mounted you spray, period… single shots with a LMG? give me a break.

“I could never nuke women and children, but I am glad somebody did”.

Well it was a bit more nuanced than that old boy (but no surprise you were too thick to get it.)

The converse of your simplistic histornics of course would be that “I could never let women and children starve to death in the Japanese occupation zones, but I am glad somebody did.”

Writing a diatribe does not make you nuanced. It makes you timid. As for the “converse” oy.

The real left would never support in any way or form the starvation of anyone, it opposed the Japanese rape, Nazi behavior, or strat bomb/nuke genocide. Not only were all of these militarily unnecessary they were exercises in sadistic pleasure (in your case revenge).

PS if A=>B then its converse is B=>A

The real left would never support in any way or form the starvation of anyone, it opposed the Japanese rape, Nazi behavior, or strat bomb/nuke genocide.

You can’t be the real left then can you (PS you can’t really support something 60 years after it happened and when you were not around at the time.)

You really need some lessons in historiography.

Not only were all of these militarily unnecessary they were exercises in sadistic pleasure (in your case revenge).

Mad as a box of frogs!

PPS: Converse: reversed in order, relation, or action

PPPS Its always rather satisfying keeping one of the self-styled Leninist elite occupied talking rubbish (although I wouldn’t be here if there was anyone at the Albany cafe to talk about music with :-)

The real left would never support in any way or form the starvation of anyone

I think Flanker just admitted that Trotsky, Lenin and Chavez are not of the real left .

“You can’t be the real left then can you (PS you can’t really support something 60 years after it happened and when you were not around at the time.)”

Of course you fucking can, what world of nutcraft do you come from? I support the civil rights movement, I support the war of independence, I support you getting a brainscan.

What you cannot say is that I supportED something when I was not even around.

PPPS How the heck is your statement the converse of mine? my statement was not even phrased as a fact, but as your undressed opinion.

I support the civil rights movement

Hahahahahaha

Do you also support the Roman Republic? Honestly, you really are stupid aren’t you?

How the heck is your statement the converse of mine?

Nobody said it was - they said it “would be.”

If I had been around I may have argued against use of the atomic bomb. As I was not around I could argue neither way. Having read up on the facts and all the issues which have come available since I came to the conclusion that the bombing of Hiroshima was the best course of action available (although once again only an idiot would think that meant unconditional support for genocide or even usage of nuclear bombs.)

You however, are that idiot.

Graham I do not give a damn about your uninformed opinion so you can stop repeating it (FYI it is just a smokescreen to hide your inhumanity), however the opinion you perceive to be “informed” is so laughable and disgusting that I grow tired of disproving and proceed to just mock, stubborn neocons, you support the Iraq war and you support nuclear genocide, the only logical conclusion is that you simply consider yourselves exceptional.

I see Georgies closing of JCom is celebrated by Nazis.

Some of them also celebrated his victory over the black, Jewish Oona King.

Visit the Biased BBC blog if you want to see hundreds of documented examples.

…of fucking nutters (the authors are, with some exceptions, not too bad, but the commentators are conspiratoral, anti-democratic lunatics, except for those who are not actually mad, but who are rather the incarnation of evil - and I do not use that word lightly).

“Biased BBC” and the screaming idiocy (and extreme bigotry) it attracts - makes me even more appreciative of the Beeb than I am in any case, and delighted that the morons who comment there are impotent, deluded, powerless, marginal, fools and freaks worthy only of contempt and laughter, who hopefully will remain in their marginilized, screaming, conspiratorial positions of deluded lunacy and evil. They are utter scum.

(nothing like using a bit of understatement, is there)

Your concern for Lebanese children is touching Gene.I expect a post about cluster bombs dropped while Israel was negotiating a settlement shortly.

Graham I do not give a damn about your uninformed opinion so you can stop repeating it

Why do I have visions of a small man jumping up and down whilst turning red with excitement and drooling?

Graham, being vilified by utter useless ignorant nutters such as Flanker, and in my case - the demented ignorant tosspot Vernichka, is virtually an accolade. At the very least, it means that the facts we put forward really irritate those tossers.

Flanker, have you ever been within 10 yards of a real gun? I doubt it.

(FYI it is just a smokescreen to hide your inhumanity)

What would have been inhuman would have been to let a war go on when it could be stopped. Now I know that you have little regard for history but a historians “conclusions” are always provisional - it may be that new evidence will come along that suggests it was was wrong to drop the A bomb - however only this week diaries have emerged suggesting that Tojo wanted to carry on fighting even after the A bombs.

http://english.donga.com/srv/service.php3?bicode=060000&biid=2008081379418

Graham, being vilified by utter useless ignorant nutters such as Flanker, and in my case - the demented ignorant tosspot Vernichka, is virtually an accolade.

Well I agree with the sentiment but whilst not quite going along with his fetishisation of the BBC I can assure you that Ven is neither demented or ignorant (although as a North Londoner he almost gets the “tosspot” title by default.)

“What would have been inhuman would have been to let a war go on when it could be stopped. ”

The war would have stopped WITH A NEGOTIATED PEACE DEAL!! Which surprise surprise is what happened Sept 2, 1945.

As for Tojo, Tojo wanted to continue AFTER the bombs as well, he was the fall guy, the one to be executed. No shit he wanted to continue, but guess what Tojo was not the emperor. He was not the one that ultimately decided.

You have this racist view of the Japanese, you assume all of them are little kamikaze’s inside when in reality they are not too different from the rest of us, they negotiate.

Nuclear weapons and Hiroshima are off-topic. They’ve been discussed plenty in other threads. I’ll delete further comments about them.

You have this racist view of the Japanes

I see - well that would possibly be because I know a little about shinto and what happened to those that its practitioners considered to be inferior.

Anyway you have no idea what my race is so you are just blabbering in the dark as usual,

here is a picture of the atomic bomb on display at the Imperial war museum in London - children visit it daily and can go up to it and cuddle it if they feel like so doing. Surprisingly George Galloway (despite being a London MP for years now) has not made any fuss at all about this (but then there is no publicity in doing so is there?)

http://evasion.inrialpes.fr/Membres/Laks.Raghupathi/digi/uk/37.html

One imagines that the Police’s purpose in showing the kids the gun was a)to demystify it and b)say ‘don’t mess with us, we’ve got some heavy artillery. Or, do you think the Police were acting in bad faith. I hate guns, but the fact is they are here and they are not going to go away. it is necessary to deal with it unemotionally. Talking of which, why do some of the ‘older’ men rise to Flanker’s bait. He’s a wind-up merchant, nothing more, nothing less.

With respect, Graham, I regard this:

“the commentators are conspiratoral, anti-democratic lunatics, except for those who are not actually mad, but who are rather the incarnation of evil - and I do not use that word lightly).
“Biased BBC” and the screaming idiocy (and extreme bigotry) it attracts - makes me even more appreciative of the Beeb than I am in any case, and delighted that the morons who comment there are impotent, deluded, powerless, marginal, fools and freaks worthy only of contempt and laughter, who hopefully will remain in their marginilized, screaming, conspiratorial positions of deluded lunacy and evil. They are utter scum”

as evidence of dementia and ignorance, at the very least. People who criticise the BBC’s institutionalised antisemitism are ‘utter scum’: not dementia and ignorance? Hmm …

Greg

“And Israel invaded Lebanon because it was being shelled by the PLO inside Lebanon.”

No Israel invaded Lebanon because Israel is a fascist racist expantionist state which was led by a war criminal and terrorist who got his foreign policy from the Bible called Menachem Begin.

Even the most extreme zionists including begin himself admit it was a war of choice.

The “casus belli” for the invasion of Lebanon given was the assassination attempt against Israel’s ambassador to the United Kingdom, Shlomo Argov. Doesnt it remind you of this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht a much less bloody attack prompted by the assasinaton of an ambassodor.

“Are you one of those cunts who thinks Israel has no right to self defence?”

Since you condemn Hizbollah simply for existing (they only exist because of the Israeli invasion) you clearly are one of those who believe Arabs have no right to self defence. In the Orwellian wold of zionism Israel invading another country killing tens of thousands is “self defence” whilst the Arab citizens of that country fighting invading soldiers is “terrorism”.

HP, why don’t you bugger off to your Nazi website with your demented, ignorant rants?

Nearly Oxfordian

“HP, why don’t you bugger off to your Nazi website with your demented, ignorant rants?”

Already have -thats why Im here. Stormfront has of course posted HP articles. You must be so proud

Not really. Antisemites are very easy to spot. Nothing to be proud of there.

HP=BNP, you aren’t a happy person. But take yourr disappointing embittered life elsewhere. You’re hated. Off with you please.

No Israel invaded Lebanon because Israel is a fascist racist expantionist (sic) state which was led by a war criminal and terrorist who got his foreign policy from the Bible called Menachem Begin.

That’s a convincing argument - name calling! You know, it’s folks like you that have turned even peaceniks in the Israeli camp into hawks (like me for instance). Don’t you see that by perpetually accusing folk of crimes they haven’t committed (or committed to a far lessor extent) you turn them into what you most fear? What’s the point of seeking peace when folks like you think the Jooos are guilty whatever they do? Your (and your ilk’s) extremist stance is as much to blame for the continuing stalemate as anything the IDF or the Palestinians do on the ground. Don’t you see that your extremism justifies extremism on the other side? (Rather similar to your argument that Israel created Hezbollah, isn’t it? Oh the irony).

“Are you one of those cunts who thinks Israel has no right to self defence?”

Since you condemn Hizbollah simply for existing (they only exist because of the Israeli invasion) you clearly are one of those who believe Arabs have no right to self defence. In the Orwellian wold of zionism Israel invading another country killing tens of thousands is “self defence” whilst the Arab citizens of that country fighting invading soldiers is “terrorism”.

…so that’s a yes, then?

BTW Hezbollah was created by Iran, who are Persians, not Arabs. And if you think the purpose of Hezbollah is (or ever was) Arab self-defence, then you clearly have been drinking the mouthwash. Wake up and smell the intra-Arab/Persian politics, dummy!

No Israel invaded Lebanon because Israel is a fascist racist expantionist state which was led by a war criminal and terrorist who got his foreign policy from the Bible called Menachem Begin.

Expect more of this kind of thing as these people find themselves dealing with more and more negative equity.

I took my 11 yr old son to the Imperial War museum behind Waterloo station last Month, we arranged an ERV - Emergency Rendezvous - to meet next to the de-activated Polaris missile in the main lobby if we were separated, best not tell Galloway!

Yes, indeed, Graham. He displays all the usual traits of a bitter little loser who needs a scapegoat, i.e. the Joos. How disappointingly unoriginal.

‘Orwellian wold’ (HP=BNP); how charmingly pastoral!

HP=BNP

Frothing and foaming at the mouth and Soiling yourself while writhing on the floor screaming, ‘the fucking jews the fucking jews the fucking jews’, at the top of your lungs may get you a brownie point or two with your commie mates, but do bear in mind that fundamentalist muslim terrorists hate you and your godless kind and would lop off your silly poo filled head in a trice if it suited them.

It doesent suit them at the moment because they have bigger fish to fry so be careful what you wish for Dickhead.

Know please flush yourself down the toilet like a good little turd.

Good day to you sir

Sue R

charmingly pastoral, I couldnt agree more makes me think of old lady’s bicycling to communion across the village green, Although i dont think that was what the headbanging psychopath had in mind.

But it is not just Galloway behaving like a prize idiot, that Labourite tit Jim Fitzpatrick was ‘very disturbed’ as well. What do these bozos think, that simply handling a gun will turn you gangster? Does Fitzpatrick think that criminals use guns because they think them ‘glamorous’? But what can you expect? They are British politicians so naturally they behave like hysterical twits on the subject of guns.