Harry’s Place

If the DNS is disabled will links to HP’s posts on other websites still work?

If the DNS is disabled will links to HP’s posts on other websites still work?

No. Afraid not.

Hope any disappearance is indeed brief.

Could you publish your IP address is it fixed? Also would it be possible for people to set up mirror sites?

Which company is your domain name registered with? I presume it’s the UK, as I’ve never heard of a US company doing this.

P.

The libel laws in the UK are pretty screwed up. If Delich does link to far-right websites, HP is well within its rights to point this out.

Unfortunately Private Eye is littered with stories of folk getting censored in the UK for trying to tell the truth about powerful people, so much so in fact that I think I remember Lieberman (or someone else) has proposed a law in the US protecting folk being hounded there.

It’s all very rum, indeed.

Could you publish your IP address is it fixed? Also would it be possible for people to set up mirror sites?

Or, indeed register a temporary domain name with another provider -how about harrysplacestillhereyahboosucks.org?

P.

I see your domain is registered by daily.co.uk? I’ve never heard of a domain registrar being sued for content reasons (only for abusing trademarks) so I have no idea why they have reacted to the complaint in this way. Will they not even show you a copy of the complaint so you can defend yourself?

P.

Daily are a chickenshit ISP. I’m no supporter of HP, but since when has the truth been defamatory? Vexatious indeed.

DNS changes take time to filter through. We’re already getting emails from peopel saying the site has disappeared for the.
We’re working on alternatives.

This disagraceful tactic proves that HP is telling the truth about these sick people, and they are running scared.

jr, US sites pull stuff down for libel all the time. In fact, given the strong First Amendment protection in the US, libel accusations are one of the few ways to get stuff pulled off the internet. The other is accusations of copyright infringement.

I can’t access it via BT Connect broadbean, but can on my mobile.

Presumably Delich herself or someone acting for her has complained.

If not - and the registrar is acting on a libel complaint by a third party - then this is a real scandal.

Meanwhile I think you should stop referring to Ms Delich as an “academic”…have you looked at the Sheffield College website?
University it is not.

Fuck em!! The truth should not be suppressed. no matter where you blog ill still read it

(Ironically, if it isn’t her who complained you are slandering her now…)

Hardly. Nobody is saying that she did do it, only wondering whether she did.

These people are not scholars.

Nor gentlemen ;-)

So long as the Wordpress server IP address doesn’t change you can simply put the following line into the hosts file

64.13.233.3 http://www.hurryupharry.org

the gap is a tab. The file is C:\WINDOWS\system32\drivers\etc\hosts with no extension. Sadly, I can’t remember where it is under Linux, but I’m sure someone can enlighten us.

Well, I can still see it from my neck of the woods.

NOTE FOR THE ABOVE: Wordpress in it’s infinite stupidity has prefixed http:// in front of the w_w_w of the site, remove that, or perhaps the esteemed admin could remove it.

NOTE for my previous, Wordpress has put in http:// in front of the w_w_w of the site, remove that and it will work correctly.

It’d be /etc/hosts in linux or anything unix like.

It’d be /etc/hosts in linux or anything unix like. Iirc it moves around from version to version of windows.

It’s brilliant though, a UCU activist drags their union’s reputation through liquidied excrement and the apparent response is to try covering it up by way of threats rather than reflecting on the direction their cozy pro boycott discussion is taking.

Further to my previous, the C:\windows does change, can be C:\winnt or virtually anything ( you can cutomise it ) but on the recent ( NT based ) systems it will be in the system32\drivers\etc directory. Under 95-98 it lives in the root windows directory, but you have to create it, normally by copying the hosts.sam ( sample ) file. Oh and ignore the “http://” part in the above it should be the raw domain name, seems the comment system put that in automatically.

Meanwhile, having tidied up her own backyard so well, Sally Hunt is now on CiF advising the security services on how not to bother with students who are “researching” terrorism.

I presume she will tell us that Ms Dellich was merely “researching” Zionism.

Brett, if you do get taken offline, why not have a chat with Nick Cohen to see if he can put a piece in the ‘Observer’? I think it’s about time the racism that is festering in UCU is brought out of the blogosphere and into the mainstream press.

Http://duke-of-chaos.livejournal.com

It’s brilliant though, a UCU activist drags their union’s reputation through liquidied excrement and the apparent response is to try covering it up by way of threats rather than reflecting on the direction their cozy pro boycott discussion is taking.

Oh, that’s typical liberal behaviour though. Next they’ll be screaming “racist!” at Harry’s Place.

Sorry, Mortgot, you mean ‘liberal’.

Just to let you know that it’s 12:02 pm my time and I can still see you.

Regards,

Inna

Testing …

9.15 testing

This is the only thread I can post to. The others ‘don’t exist’.

NO–

I just tested a couple of other threads. I can see all of them and was able to (successfully) post to a few. (I didn’t post to all of them as I figured people would get fed up with my illuminating “testing” posts)

I am accessing HP from the US. I wonder if that makes a difference?

Regards,

Inna

Visible in London, too, though I couldn’t see it this pm.

This sort of attack on a distributor is reminiscent of the way some aggrieved parties used to go after Private Eye, by threatening to sue its distributors. It’s quite iliegitmate, of course.

Lutta continua!

That could have been more clearly expressed….

“This sort of attack on an ISP is reminiscent of the way some aggrieved parties used to go after Private Eye, by suing its distributors such as WH Smith…”

Have you had any updates from your provider? I ask because (at this moment–3:28 pm my time) you are the fastest-loading page on my browser.

Regards,

Inna

If you need any money for legal bills to defend yourself from this vile cretinous behaviour by the Neo-Nazi-Linking-Lovers, I’m in. This is an absolute disgrace.

Testing, testing 123.. DNS should now be with us and Harry should be back. Testing, testing..

Test post after editing /etc/resolv.conf to another DNS server. Will it get through…? Yep, I think it will.

Seems to be back. Now let’s await the NXDOMAIN cacheing to time-out and all shall be back. Then let Ms Delich come and try it on with us and see how far she gets ;-)

Shall we laugh evil laughs at the promotors of literature found on personal sites of individuals associated with groups to which wannabe assassins of Obama belong?

By jove, I think we can. Delich, you’re toast!

Hurrah, you’re back! Well done, well done indeed..

Back here too! DNS migration is clearly in progress.

welcome back!

You’re back, good news. Thanks to Mod for keeping us updated. This raised a storm in the blogosphere.

I Second WestEndGirl on that

If you need Coin of the realm dont hesitate to ask WEG is right this IS a disgrace.

In case you need to know The time is 18.07

Welcome back.

And I’ll second those thanks to Modernity.

Congratulations on your return.

How wonderfully stalinist of her.

Anyways, it’s great that HP is back.

Welcome back - what’s the story ? Your previous ISP was called daily.co.uk wasn’t it ? What made them cave in ? Presumably the new ISP Positive Internet have a different view ?

We need to know !

“We assume after threats were made on the weekend that this ‘complaint’ originates from Jenna Delich or her supporters.”

etc etc etc all down the thread.

So, you don’t know who complained. You don’t know what they complained about. You don’t know how it was worded. You don’t know why HP was closed down or on what basis. You don’t know if it was closed by sober legal eagles, or a temp in the office. However, in the face of this stack of certainties, you’ve constructed a case of appalling behaviour (and I don’t mean the link to Duke) by Delich re blogs and HP in particular.

Rigorous stuff, guys.

Welcome back, Harry’s Place. You have been missed. This outrage has not and will not go unanswered.

Back in middle USA! Missed you for two days.

Michael Rosen -

Read here.

“Webhosts Daily.co.uk subsequently received a complaint that the post was ’slanderous’, and informed Harry’s Place that it would not continue to host the blog’s domain name, saying the bloggers had breached terms of use.”

So while we don’t know who complained (although it is not unreasonable to assume it is the person who was the subject of the post, is it not?), we do know the grounds of the complaint, and why HP was closed down.

Although we don’t know which particular person at the ISP closed down HP. But that’s hardly relevant, is it?

Perhaps the complaint was really from a devious Zionist (or Mossad !?) trying to destroy the reputation of the brave Palestinian activists on UCU by getting them blamed for this censorship ?

What do you think Michael ?

Cheers, Matt,

but I did what anyone else would have done

What I found amusing about this whole event, was not the event itself, which was fairly simple and straightforward, but how people reacted to it

That was the most telling point and often, how they reacted to HP being shutdown either said something about their politics, their character or their attitude towards Jews

Broadly speaking, there were three types of reaction:

1) Immediate unconditional support from bloggers

2) qualified support, some through gritted teeth, as in the Exile’s case

3) quibbling and arguing about HP (as a fountain of all evil), how the article wasn’t as bad as made out, and in one instance a poster couldn’t see the racist nature of that particular David Duke web page until he went to the “about” section of Duke’s site, which is staggering.

That argument is still carrying on at Socialist unity blog

And what struck me was not the malice of the comments (although with Richard Seymour you never know), but it was the profound ignorance and willingness to argue the toss.

You have people who have just scan David Duke’s web site, and are having difficulty working out what is “anti-Zionist” and “what is antisemitic”, their ignorance in these matters is astonishing, utterly astonishing

But what is worse they don’t appreciate it, they don’t understand how ignorant they are on these topics, there is not an ounce of introspection.

I think David Hirsh made the most perceptive comment:

“I would add this: if you agree with what is written on a fascist website then you should stop and wonder why that might be.”

Welcome back HP!

Indeed, modernity.

This episode has been revealing. Reaction type 3) has sadly been much in evidence.

the sooner zionist racist supremists like Harry’s Bog is flushed into oblivion the better.

So now we are to stand in solidarity with outright racist scum like HP? Are you, Andy, then also saying we should openly declare our solidarity with other fascists?

Confused is not the word.

I can understand the quandary some on the anti-israel “left” are in. If they find themselves to walk like a duck and quack like a duck, a fair deal of rationalisation is required for them to prove to themselves that they are not in fact all a bunch of ducks.

Good to see you back, and it seems this is the not the first time Jenna Delich has been the subject of complaints

Time for one of my universally popular interventions

Matt

“Welcome back - what’s the story ? Your previous ISP was called daily.co.uk wasn’t it ? What made them cave in ? Presumably the new ISP Positive Internet have a different view ?

We need to know !”

We can view a modicum of a backbone. It seems our quotidian friends can’t. And that’s about it.

But even from a self-interested perspective, the repeatedly pusillanimous reactions by our competitors are madness: they do the industry no favours by capitulating like this at every mad sneeze in their direction, because each time they give in, they make the UK an ever-more chilly environment for hosting and managing web content, which is their business!

I would love to see this come to court. You have more friends than you think. This jenna character is obviously a fool.

Mr. Rosen is trying to draw the pack away from Delich’s egregiousness by trying to create an argument about who was primarily shut down HP. It will be interesting to see what he says if and when the complainant is revealed. Perhaps then he might also comment on the substantive point that she accepts every word of the link as ‘fact’. Somewhat uncritical for an academic don’t you think Michael?

welcome back, and fuck ‘em all!

You’re back , having defeated the forces of evil. Who is this Jenna Delich anyway ? Is she American ? Why is she wearing Princess Diana’s hair ? Rock on Harry.

Mike Rosen,

You may well be fairly witty with a script and preparation, but reading your comments on the Socialist Unity blog I am struck by how naive you are.

We’ve been discussing this topic off and on for three years, in which time the nub of the argument was that the constant diet of aggressive “anti-Zionism” desensitises people to anti-Jewish racism

Now you can disagree with that as an argument, but the evidence is out there

You only have to look at the thread at AVPS to see that some SWP members can’t see much racism on the particular David Duke web page that Ms. Delich posted, see complexsystemofpipes comments.

that is very telling.

I am sure that if these SWPers see a tattooed skinhead shouting racial obscenities that these same people would get the message, but their inability to perceive it when it’s not signposted or spelt out to them says a lot about the depth of their politics and understanding.

I don’t expect you to agree with anything I’ve said, I would expect you to defend these people to the hilt.

But remember how they treated you over Aztmon, and reflect.

see http://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2008/08/solidarity-with-harrys-place.html

Well, Grimm, if you think you can construct an argument on the basis of not knowing what the ‘complaint’ was, who made it, or on what basis action was taken or by whom or indeed if it really was a ‘complaint’ ,then you’ve got a career awaiting you in fairyland. Yes, indeed, you may well be right: Delich may have written to someone who matters that she was going to sue the arse off HP and the person who matters weighed it all up and pulled HP on the basis of what Delich wrote. On the other hand, something else completely different may have happened, at any stage in the process of reaching the point at which HP was pulled. And does anyone know why it was de-pulled? Perhaps you do Grimm. I’m all ears. (yeah yeah, I know).

Modernity, I don’t remember being ‘treated’ over the Atzmon affair. I remember a discussion and an outcome. Perhaps you know otherwise. As for what SWP members say on blogs - to tell the truth I’ve never figured out how to tell which organisation a blogger belongs to. Do you have a method you can share with me?

Michael.
De-pulled?
Are you being dim on purpose?

I’m surprised, after your last experience as useful idiot for the SWP over anti semitism and how you got treated, that you seem to have come back for more.

And, sorry, what’s ‘AVPS’?

I feel a little sorry for Michael Rosen, in the same way I feel sorry for other people who have to work so hard to buffer their religious precepts from the battering wind of contingent reality. Poor man. Here’s a an unambiguous, old-style, jew-baiting, KKK-leading forum hosting a tin-hat, protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion conspiracy merchant’s article. Had this article had been about any other racially contentious issue (take your pick - there are links vilifying blacks, muslims and so on down the side of the article Jenna enjoyed with such relish), all hell would have broken loose on the UCU mailing list, and Michael Rosen would have been leading the charge. But, hey, it’s only the Whining Yids againg, eh, Michael, so to hell with them.

I’ve never figured out how to tell which organisation a blogger belongs to. Do you have a method you can share with me?

If they say that they’re SWP then they’re likely to be.

tim, good to see you back in insult-mode. No, I don’t know why or how HP got removed, or why or how it came back. ‘De-pulled’ was a sort of linguistic joke. Sorry. Won’t do it again. De-pulled = restored. If you know why or how HP was restored, tell on. I have no idea how servers etc work, and no one on these blogs seems to think it’s worth explaining to people how it’s done. We are just told that HP was closed down and then it reappears.

Michael, have you purposely forgotten the reaction to the Atzmon saga. You were considered insufficiently Juedenrein to be an honest broker and were attacked vehemently by your erstwhile “comrades”. I can understand why you might want to have forgotten the details of that shabby saga. Others haven’t.

Post, if ‘whining yids’ is meant to be the kind of sentiment that I hold, then I think you’re mistaken. I can see this fast moving towards the usual HP level of approach towards me, the high point being when someone told HP readers I was an ‘animal’.

Mike Rosen,

you don’t remember?

you told the SWP that Atzmon was articulating racism, they ignored you and kept inviting him.

Mike, the fact that you can’t work it out, doesn’t mean the rest of us can’t :)

Michael: an official complaint was made to daily.co.uk, which hosts Harry’s Place’s domain (ie: literally hurryupharry.org) and points it to the right place. The complainant pointed out that the material was “slanderous” and that they were affected by it, and would act if the domain was not made to point nowhere. So daily.co.uk decided, timidly, to point it to nowhere, with no further due-process than that. Shameful.

My company then came and offered Harry’s Place DNS hosting, and we put in place the domain transfer, so that we can make sure that it points to the correct server that’s hosting the site.

We now assuredly await “That Person” to return to us and re-issue the complaint. They’re welcome to do so. When they do, shall I put them in touch with you so you can re-educate them?

I hope this clarifies it for you.

Michael.
I’m sorry you think useful idiot is an insult regarding your behaviour over the SWP,Atzmon, Martin Smith et al.
I thought I was being polite and letting you off a bit.
Even Galloway pulled out of that one when he was tipped off.

I think if you read the thread above,all your questions will be answered about depulling.

Michael -

We know what the complaint was, and the basis on which action was taken.

The name of the complainee is not known.

Post, I have no idea if you’re a member of any kind of organisation, cultural group, club or whatever, but in every kind of that sort of institution I’ve ever been in, there have been all kinds of disagreement. I’m not in SWP but from the sidelines, ie without responsibility to that organisation (so they were quite entitled to tell me to fuck off) I made an observation. There were replies and a bit of a debate. I’m not quite sure why this has been constructed here as ’shabby’ treatment. People disagreed with me. tut tut. People said I was wrong. tut tut. But then that’s not set in stone, anymore than any organisation’s policies are.

What Positive Internet said.