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Please spread this story as far as you can. It will really embarrassment the Pakistani leaders.

As opposed to embarrassmenting the person who constructed that sentence?

Good on Peter and the Graun. I see also that the Malaysian government is trying the same with Malaysia Today, about which I know little else.

Now, before Andrew Ireson pops up to claim Western agencies give this direct support, I advize him to check on the meaning of the word direct, and tell what benefit they derived from AQ Khan.

“Four Baloch prisoners have been burned alive in hot coal tar by the Pakistan army”

Why didn’t we think of that?

This is to be expectedfrom the pakistanis, they went into hyperbole during the compliation of an EU Draft Report on Kashmir, entitled Present Situation and Future Prospects produced by Baroness Emma Nicholson of Winterbourne. Including character assassinations and even physical intimdation of members involed with the report. The report was published unaltered.

“But The Guardian is standing firm and refusing to bow to their bullying.”

For once, I can say “Good for ‘The Guardian’…!” and not mean it sarcastically…

Kam: Nicholson is a stooge of Iran, specifically her personal friend Hashemi Rafsanjani. She has attempted on a number of occasions to portray Iran as a freedom-loving democracy. Until she produces a similar report on non-Persian groups in Iran, her Kashmir report should simply be regarded as geopolitical intrigue.

very cool some of you british jokers,clows,talk about human rights in pakistan,what the FUN you did all your life? land grabers,steal the wealth of other nations.now a days what are you doing in iraq and afghanistan?do you have any smahe or honour?before talking about pakistani stuff,look at you own dirty laundry and shut the FUN up.bunch of screwups born out side wed lock.

as for soem of you blochi lsoers,you dont work or study ,just brag about oh how much oil and gas bloachistan have,you losers,if gov not going to built ports,rail roads,highways,wfrom where on earth that so called gas and oil will come out,how,is it going to rain from sky x?land is dry there is not even water to drink there,go eat rocks and sell your ass to your masters in x india,iran and us,you liers ,lsoers and tractors,rememeber some of your bangali friends,they sue to say the same things and they stabed the bigest islamic nation in the back,and now bangladash is one of the richest and powerfull countires in the wolrd,a lot of bangalis are respected all over world.

“liers ,lsoers and tractors”

A forthcoming film by Stephen Soderberg.

Dan, no dout in the very near furture we will seeing the Nicholson, Galloway & Ridley show on press.tv maybe they could call the show “the 3 stooges.”

sounds sort of famliar to the stuff that was being pushed out by the numerous pro Islamabad Kashmiri organisations when the report was going through the EU .

I think Kam is on to something here. Remember Dan has a Bengali wife. Anyway, it never ceases to amaze me that the indiginous inhabitants of teh West are always held up to a higher moral and political standard than the inhabitants of the East. I’m begginning to wonder if I should revise my understanding of human nature and genetics. Perhaps, the Easterners have good reasons not to conform to Western standards? Just saying like.

If you really want some interesting reading on Baluchistan, VS Naipul covers this topic in Amongst the Believers. Baluchistan is very important
as key members of Al Queda are Baluch. Khalid Sheikh Mohammad is Baluch
and just coincidentally his nephew is Ramzi Yousef of the first World Trade Center bombing.

The regions that the Baluch people inhabit are also in Iran and Afghanistan. However, do not expect the UCU to mention this group.

Thanks for the laugh, Ali.

Dan, I don’t much of Nicholson, never mind how her views on Iran relate to those on Pakistan. If there’s one thing the past week on HP has shown it’s that a view should not be subservient to any methods used to suppress it. That said, I fail to see how a Bengali wife could prejudice you in *favour* of Pakistan.

if gov not going to built ports,rail roads,highways,wfrom where on earth that so called gas and oil will come out,how,is it going to rain from sky x?

I don’t know. Maybe a company that wants to extract the oil will build a pipeline, something like that? Quite simply really when you think about it.

“sounds sort of famliar to the stuff that was being pushed out by the numerous pro Islamabad Kashmiri organisations when the report was going through the EU .”

I’m not pro-Pakistan at all, but I’m wary of Nicholson’s own agenda. Iran’s relations with Pakistan are not as cordial as often assumed.

With regards to the Balochis, the situation is the same in both Iranian and Pakistani Balochistan. This month, Yaghub Mehrnahad, a Balochi youth activist, was executed in Iran, following months of torture, for criticising the treatment of the predominantly Sunni Balochis. Iran tried to accuse him - via the media - of being a member of Jundullah, which it claims to be financed and organised by Pakistan and the US.

The latest twist to this story is that the Pakistan High Commissioner in London is now saying that he knows nothing about attempts to censor what The Guardian has published.

Yet The Guardian are adamant that it was the High Commissioner’s officials, allegedly speaking on his behalf who phoned them on Friday and demanded the removal of my article, plus an apology and correction.

I suspect this one will run and run.

Gotta say it; ‘ well done Tatchell ‘.
The Baluchis, for whom i hold no particular brief, were sold out by the brits in the mid 1800s to persia/iran, and by the brits and the pakistanis after the latters independence.
Like the Kurds, the’ve just been the losers in the nation making game, and once you’re down, your erstwhile best friends become your most entrenched enemies. Thus the pakistanis and Iranians harrass and murder the baluchis and the iranians and turks, syrians and iraqis have no hesitation in murdering kurds when the thought of kurdish independence is mooted.
It’s a lovely world, aint it.

Peter, it wasn’t the high commission: it was really Mossad. Surely you know that.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26469519

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - A Pakistani lawmaker defended a decision by southwestern tribesmen to bury five women alive because they wanted to choose their own husbands, telling stunned members of Parliament this week to spare him their outrage.

“These are centuries-old traditions and I will continue to defend them,” Israr Ullah Zehri, who represents Baluchistan province, said Saturday. “Only those who indulge in immoral acts should be afraid.”

The women, three of whom were teenagers, were first shot and then thrown into a ditch. They were still breathing as their bodies were covered with rocks and mud, according media reports and human rights activists, who said their only “crime” was that they wished to marry men of their own choosing.

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The incident allegedly occurred one month ago in Baba Kot, a remote village in Jafferabad district, after the women decided to defy tribal elders and arrange marriages in a civil court, according to the Asian Human Rights Commission.

Ali, do you have another unreadable, illiterate rant up your sleeve to defend the universal enslavement of women that area of Pakistan?

You’ll have to google for the story, because in my experience the moderated comments never get through. Just put in a captcha guys and allow links ok?

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - A Pakistani lawmaker defended a decision by southwestern tribesmen to bury five women alive because they wanted to choose their own husbands, telling stunned members of Parliament this week to spare him their outrage.

“These are centuries-old traditions and I will continue to defend them,” Israr Ullah Zehri, who represents Baluchistan province, said Saturday. “Only those who indulge in immoral acts should be afraid.”

The women, three of whom were teenagers, were first shot and then thrown into a ditch. They were still breathing as their bodies were covered with rocks and mud, according media reports and human rights activists, who said their only “crime” was that they wished to marry men of their own choosing.

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The incident allegedly occurred one month ago in Baba Kot, a remote village in Jafferabad district, after the women decided to defy tribal elders and arrange marriages in a civil court, according to the Asian Human Rights Commission.

Ali, do you have another unreadable, illiterate rant up your sleeve to defend the universal enslavement of women that area of Pakistan?

Just when I was beginning to feel some sympathy for Baluchistan.

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1220183709127880.xml&coll=2

Hilarious.
Do you know how many posts critical of it HP censors?

So how does Pete stand on the people of Kashmir and their being denied a vote for indepedence from India despite UN resolutions?

“HP=BNP”
It’s hard to take seriously anyone who doesn’t even understand basic equations. I guess you’re trying to get back at the world for all the humiliation you suffered during your maths classes. It doesn’t take a genius either to guess you were pretty crap at history too.

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Quote: “HP=BNP”

Go read the UN resolutions, you ignoramus!

I quote straight for you sorry self:

PART I: CEASE-FIRE ORDER

A. The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that their respective High Commands will issue separately and simultaneously a cease-fire order to apply to all forces under their control and in the State of Jammu and Kashmir as of the earliest practicable date or dates to be mutually agreed upon within four days after these proposals have been accepted by both Governments.

PART II: TRUCE AGREEMENT
Simultaneously with the acceptance of the proposal for the immediate cessation of hostilities as outlined in Part I, both the Governments accept the following principles as a basis for the formulation of a truce agreement, the details of which shall be worked out in discussion between their representatives and the Commission.

A.

1. As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State.

2. The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavour to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting.

3. Pending a final solution, the territory evacuated by the Pakistani troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the commission.

B.

1.When the commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistani nationals referred to in Part II, A, 2, hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistani forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of its forces from that State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission.

2. Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of the cease-fire the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers stationed where it deems necessary.

First let the Pakistanis get out of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.
Hand over the area to local administration.
Let the Kashmiri Pandits (Hindus) who were killed, raped and hounded out of the state be returned to their own houses, properties restored and compansated.
THEN intimate India about the complete withdrawal, you ignoramus.
We will decide THEN! and follow our solemn word.
We were never traitors like your PRoPh-et, who renegaded on promises on treaties like Hubaiya and committed genocide of an entire Jewish Clan!

Read, Read, Read!

Sorry for flooding, but I think its a service to educate the unwashed and make them worthy of posting knowledgeble, informed, unbiased comments.

May the gods of electrons open my chest and make the fo0ls understand simple words.

Lets go through the events unbiased.

1. India and Pakistan were granted freedom. The princes of dominions were given choices. Now, the King of J&K was reluctant to join neither India nor Pakistan.

2. Truly, the Kashmir part of Jammu and Kashmir was brutally under sword of Islamic hordes converted to Islam and were fully Islamised although they followed a saner version, ‘poluted’ by Hindu elements

3. Ideally Kashmir alone should and could have been part of Pakistan as per Jinnah’s doctrine of two nations. Its geographical layout favours this, as well common religion that hates infidels.

4. However, India’s morally higher ideal was of a Secular Democratic State where anybody is free to follow, propogate any religion as well as minorities like Christians and Muslims can have their own seperate civil laws. So, naturally, India could claim that J&K can peacefully join India. India never tried to coerce nor influence the Raja of J&K.

5. Pakistanis, being Pakistanis, inbred and all that, following their dictums and beliefs of ‘Land of Kufr’ & ‘Land of Piety’ tried to force the Rajah into submission. How did they do that?
Documented, use Google: A. by enforcing an economic blockade on J&K hereto dependent on Pakistan for all essential supplies.
B. By arming already wild and untamed Pathans to raid J&K.
The plan was brilliant, but failed fortunately.
The Pathans, being pathans reached the outskirts of J&K’s capital, Srinagar, but started what Islamic Hordes do best in wars: Rape and Pillage.
This delayed their advancement.
In this critical time, the Raja of JK had but one option: ask India for help.

6. Jawaharlal Nehru, the then first PM of India was moron who insisted on Morality above and over National Interests. He refused to help at first, and sent the Raja to the British Raj. They too refused to have any part in the turmoil.

7. The rajah then had no choice but to try exercise an option he had: to join Indian Dominion. He offered the option and since the Pathans were at the border of srinagar, and an impeding doom of genocide can happen, an INSTRUMENT OF ACCESSION was signed by the Raja in the presence of Mountbatten, last viceroy of British Raj who countersigned.

8. that very moment J&K had become a part and parcel of the Democratic Republic of India. Troops were mobiles and airlifted. The pathans ran like dogs with tails inserted into their hindparts.

9. BUT the suspense becomes an anticlimax here. Moron Jawaharlal Nehru being the supreme moralist and self styled leader of a peaceful NAM, went to UN to show Pakistani agression and aftermath.

10. The assembly and security council passed a few resolutions, caling for ceasefire.

11. When the ceasefire was declared, about 25% of the land of J&K was still under occupation by Pathans and Pakistani Army in ragtags.

12. While India waits for half a century for Pakistan to heed the UN Resolutions and remove their armed forces and settled people in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir,

13. Moron and utterly clueless people like “HP=BNP”=fool, try to quote the gospelic UN resolutions with no idea that it actually backfires on their sorry A$s.

Dare you HP=BNP, try post another sentence!!

First of all I laud the stance of Peter Thatchell on Baluchistan and exposing the brutalities of the occupying Pokistani forces. This is surely another cowardly act committed by this bigot Taliban and al-qaeda sympathizing army of Pokistan which the US govt is supporting on the war on terror. ‘Running with the Hares and hunting with Hounds’, these people think they can get away with anything. U guys really think that Pakistan wants to hand over or even kill the bird which lays golden eggs for them? Or must I say US dollars. As long as America is going to pump in military and economic assistant to this state they will never think of capturing bin laden and the Taliban leaders who are hiding inside Pakistan. Infact they are protecting them and will keep on doing that. The fundamentalist pseudo intellectuals who term themselves and Muslims and al-qaeda sympathizers are thinking to emerge as a Muslim power with the Islamic bomb. And these people have exploited the Baluch people in the name of religion all these years. They say that Baluchistan is part of Pakistan because we are Muslim brothers. They forget of us being Muslims when they carpet bomb our defenseless civilian population, kill and maim women and children, the young and the old? Where is Islam when you kill us Baluch people? Yes Baluchistan was captured by the Pokistani army in 1948 after just one year of an independent Baluchistan. Divided between three countries during the nineteen century because of the Great Game between the powers then, England and the Soviet Russia. It was the British Forward Policy through which they were try to contain Russian advances towards the Indian Sub-continent.
And today blood is being spilled of poor Baluch people who want their rights. Oil, Gas, minerals, coal, copper gold, name it and it’s there in Baluchistan. They try to entice the West that there are feudal lords who want to hamper development in the province! Well my friend, there are many places in Baluchistan where the tribal system is no more. There are no feudal lords but they are worst in terms of underdevelopment. And yes, it’s true that this Baluch Senator defended the perpetrators of this brutal incident where these women were savagely buried alive, but guess what, this guy, the senator use to be in Gen Pervaiz Musharaf’s coalition govt in Baluchistan. He was his ally. The ally of the guy who preached what he termed as enlightened moderation and got the people in the west to dance on his tunes.
And as far as the issue of these people who are Taliban or al-qaeda people, they are victims of the policy of talibanization of Baluchistan by again the Pakistani intelligence apparatus. (See Fredric Grare; The Resurgence of Baluch Nationalism) Religion when exploited creates Frankenstienian Monsters who lose the concept of humanity. And religion in all the struggles of the world has been used to limit and emasculate pure nationalism. That’s why maddrassahs are being build in areas of Baluchistan where there is a lot of nationalistic sentiment. And historically we Baluch have been rebels. Even in matters of religion. It is said that a Baluch from the mountains went to the plains once and saw a brother nomad from the plains doing a strange dance. When he inquired about this ritual he was told that the other guy was actually praying and there is a god who is looking at us and will repent us on the day of judgment. Come with me the Baluch from the mountains said. In my mountains there is no god or whatever you’re talking about who terrorizes you over here. We have been very secular people since the very beginning and if you really want to know the bigots then ask why the Pokistani intelligence chief at the time protected Khalid whoever you’re talking. For more info about Pakistani involvement see zeitgeist the movie on Google video…

Dear all of you it is really very shamfull for all of us that the five women are bared , but todays news is that the the baloch sardar(leader )umrani is arrest in this case this act is personal act not a nation involve in this act all the people of pakistan is also condam this issue , but all of you are trying to involve all Pakistanies do this Please remove the bad glasses from your eyes , we read many henoic cases from India usa and uk in news papare i have referance but i don’t want to cote here because that are are the personal casess not all the people of that countries involve , my english is not so good please if any grammer or spel error forgive me.
long live PAKISTAN