Harry’s Place

She’s also believes Intelligent Design should be taught alongside Evolution in science classes.

She also believed (or maybe believes) in Alaskan independence from the US.

Good choice there McCain

Oh god, now, presumably, we will have johng, Lenin, Michael Rosen and company loudly denouncing Harry’s Place for another ‘witch hunt’ by exposing this ‘private individual’. Or perhaps not.

She believes God wants some gas pipeline she’s building.

To paraphrase Kirk in Star Trek V, “what does God want with a gas pipeline?”

Good choice there McCain

From a purely strategic point of view, it probably is.

I find it difficult enough to comprehend how the skin pigmentation of one candidate is of any significance. Now this woman who makes Ahmedinejad look half sane. We are totally fucked.

How desperate must the media get? HP seems to be recycling the HuffPo.

First sickening stories about the maternity of her child. Then shock horror the discovery that she is a Christian woman, which obviously disqualifies her. Goodness, she believes in God! Must be a wacko. All cheered on by a blog which agrees that GWB seemed to get along just fine in his foreign policy, in spite of his Christian beliefs.

Chris Hitchens is more on the ball than you lot, when he points out that Evangelical Christians may be daft and simpletons but it is pure demagoguery to pretend that they resemble either classical fascists or the bloodthirsty mullahs.

How desperate must the media get?

Almost as desperate as McCain?

From a purely strategic point of view, it probably is.

I can’t see how. A very strange and odd choice from McCain

” Then shock horror the discovery that she is a Christian woman, which obviously disqualifies her. “

Don’t talk nonsense. It’s her particular brand of Christianity and her own comments giving clear insight into her beliefs that suggest the problem. It is not that her beliefs are religious that is the issue, it’s that they’re crazy.

By all means let’s have a discussion of candidates’ churches.

I can’t see how

Getting the evangelicals out? There are quite a lot of them, you know!

Its now being claimed that two weeks ago she sat through a sermon by David Brickner of Jews For Jesus,at which he said.

Brickner also described terrorist attacks on Israelis as God’s “judgment of unbelief” of Jews who haven’t embraced Christianity.

And then raised cash.

Getting the evangelicals out? There are quite a lot of them, you know!

They were going to vote McCain anyway - Palin being of that ilk changes nothing

It is not that her beliefs are religious that is the issue, it’s that they’re crazy.

No Brett, belief in Providence is a standard part of Christianity. The list of political leaders who believed that it was their destiny to take up their job is legion, from Cromwell to Lincoln. For you to pretend that your histrionics have nothing to do with the fact that she is a Christian woman is nonsense.

Its now being claimed that two weeks ago she sat through a sermon by David Brickner of Jews For Jesus,at which he said.

And then raised cash.

Jesus, if true, did the McCain team do [i]any[/i] vetting on her at all? It’s look more and more like a gimmicky appointment going very bad.

Has a VP candidate ever been dumped/dropped out before an election?

Heh. One remark, however oblique, from any Obama surrogate about Palin’s church will unleash $50 million in ads starring Jeremiah Wright.

And vice versa one suspects

Jeremiah Wright was an integral part of Obama’s life for two decades, his autobiography takes its title from one of his sermons, his previous auto biography makes it clear that Obama chose Wright’s church because of the extremist philosophy, having rejected racially and politically moderate ones.

If Palin’s connections to this whacko are as deep as that then it is a problem, but right now it doesn’t look as if that is the case. It doesn’t even appear to her principle church, but rather the one she grew up with, and Kahlins arrived a few years before she joined another church. She didn’t choose the whacko preacher in the way Obama chose Wright, and she didn’t stay with him for decades, or cite him as one of her biggest influences.

old Labour, as far as I know, ALL US and UK leaders have been Christian, so to say that it is her christian faith alone that is a problem is clearly nonsense. They have not - to my knowledge - all subscribed to the “Last Days” idea. This is a particular - and dangerous - sect withing US politics. “Last (or End of..) Days” ideas are certainly not mainstream Christian ideas as far as I know.

The difference in this case is that Palin herself is the wacko.

Herman.
Thomas Eagleton lasted twelve days in 1972.

Bookmakers have now reopened the market on who the Republican VP candidate will be.

” Its now being claimed that two weeks ago she sat through a sermon by David Brickner of Jews For Jesus,at which he said.”

Seeing as most of the Claims made against Palin are proving to be bogus (see support for Alaskan Independence, support for Pat Buchanon, faking a pregnancy) I imagine that this will as well.

Herman -

They were going to vote McCain anyway

Are you sure?

Take a look at the comments from this conservative blog -

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/mccain_officially_clinches_gop_nomination/

These are Republicans who are going to vote for McCain with a ‘heavy heart’ or not at all.

I dread to think what hard-right evangelical blogs looked like for McCain.

And vice versa one suspects

Perhaps, but I doubt Palin’s pastor was thoughtful as to videotape and peddle his sermons.

I also see that the Republicans want Palins daughter to be off the agenda.
Absolutely fair enough.

So guess what the Republicans are doing today?

Flying in the father of the baby to appear at the Republican Convention.

MCain’s campaign was cash strapped. Money has been pouring in since the Palin choice. She fires up the base, not much more. Her campaign masters have been shielding Palin from the press since Sunday. Tonight she has her first chance to impress the general public.

Hillary’s issues voters are moving to Obama. That’s reflected in recent polling.

“Seeing as most of the Claims made against Palin are proving to be bogus (see support for Alaskan Independence, support for Pat Buchanon, faking a pregnancy) I imagine that this will as well.”

And the video was made using a look-alike.

John McCain has picked as a running-mate someone who is even more of a whacko than George Bush, and it’s not hard to work out why

Presumably Barack Obama is even more of a ‘whacko’ than George Bush, given that he sat through 20 years of Jeremiah Wright, 9/11 consipiracy theorist, and Christian racialist . Unfortunately, Obama is the one running for president.

Old Labour, thanks for standing up for the mentalist. It would get boring around here if, for once, the entire HP community were in agreement and had nothing to argue about.

p.s there are lots of more sensible Christians who don’t believe that Satan is amongst us, that the Bible has to be taken literally, that abortion should not be illegal even in the case of rape. And they think Sarah “drillin’ and killin’” Palin is a loon!

p.p.s Why doesn’t she want to protect God’s creatures the polar bears when they are threatened with extinction? The devil’s work I tell thee!!

“Presumably Barack Obama is even more of a ‘whacko’ than George Bush…

I’ll start worrying when Obama himself starts articulating these sorts of views. In contrast to Palin who sounds like a carbon-copy of her nutty pastor.

Brett, Clement Attlee was an atheist. He was good Old Labour. Not like the chap who posts here.

Furthermore, her commitment to small government appears dependent on Wasilla receiving less than $27 millions in Federal funds.

Old Labour sounds like Gene when someone criticizes Barry Obama.

How many years and how many tens of thousands of dollars must Obama invest in a Church that teaches that HIV was invented by the U.S Government before one can infer that his chesse has slipped from his cracker?

Hey, we’re not talking about Obama’s pastor. We’ve already done that. I’m not interested in whataboutism here. Palin is the person of the moment.

If this is what you think know, How pissed will you be when she is president in 2012?

If Barack Obama was white and had the name ‘Chuck Springsteen’ or ‘Bob Jones’ surely his lead over McCain would be at least double what it is at the moment.

Hey, we’re not talking about Obama’s pastor.

I am. And since the main source for this fun seems to be Huffington’s discredited hate-site, I won’t even bother evaluating it’s facts. Seems that 90% of the crap written by the Left about Palin in the last 72 hours has been discredited, including Gene’s breathless little report about Palin’s support for Buchanan.

Perhaps mesquito would like to explain why, if they’re confident in her, they’ve been keeping her away from the Press since Friday?

It gets worse. Remember that Buchanan button thing? It was just cover, look at this video, look at that blue and white flag in the background. That’s right, the lady has connections to urban moneyed interests. Worse, she was going to visit a certain middle eastern country with a group of, well, draw your own conclusions. This article blows the lid off this sinister connection. Stormfront has also noticed this hidden sign of Palin’s true sympathies. Gene should get with them and compare notes.

Brett’s full of shit.

The slander just never stops.

First she was pregnant, then she wasn’t.

Then there were nude photos, then there wasn’t

Recently there was a report that Palin had been arrested for drunk driving 22 years ago. Turns out it was her husband.

Oh! I forgot! According to progressives she’s a bad mother too!

Neglects her familiy and spends too little time in the kitchen, you see!

In the meantime Obama sat for 20 years in church pew listening to some racist dipshit tell the congregagtion that AIDS was a gov’t plot, and that america was out to commmit genocide against Blacks.

I am going to dig up some old quotes by old progressive ‘feminist’ harpies like Patricia Ireland, G.S. ect just to show how “uppity” women like Palin are treated by their liberated ’sisters’.

I’ll be back!

Perhaps mesquito would like to explain why, if they’re confident in her, they’ve been keeping her away from the Press since Friday

Har! Maybe she’s writing and rehearsing a speech. I shear she’s got an important one comming up.

I imagine she’ll be much more available to the press than Obama, who’s press availablities are rare and demonstrate how utterly at sea he is without his TelePrompter.

“I’ll start worrying when Obama himself starts articulating these sorts of views. In contrast to Palin who sounds like a carbon-copy of her nutty pastor.”

I would like to know, Brett, when you have heard Sarah Palin speak? As far as I have heard, she has not yet given her address to the convention. How do you know that she ’sounds like a carbon copy of her pastor’? Before Obama made it big, he sounded like a carbon copy of Jeremiah Wright.

The ‘lets kick Palin before she even announces herself’ party that seems to be infecting large swaths of the left is disheartening in its blatant hypocracy and outright sexism. Would any of you stand for seeing a leftist trashed by the right to the extent that she has been?

But then again, the left has been trashing women a lot lately.

Mel has it about right - Palin has got the Dems (and Brett, it seems) rattled. And we know what happens when Lefties get rattled, don’t we children?

Peggy Noonan:

Because she jumbles up so many cultural categories, because she is a feminist not in the Yale Gender Studies sense but the How Do I Reload This Thang way, because she is a woman who in style, history, moxie and femininity is exactly like a normal American feminist and not an Abstract Theory feminist; because she wears makeup and heels and eats mooseburgers and is Alaska Tough, as Time magazine put it; because she is conservative, and pro-2nd Amendment and pro-life; and because conservatives can smell this sort of thing — who is really one of them and who is not — and will fight to the death for one of their beleaguered own; because of all of this she is a real and present danger to the American left, and to the Obama candidacy.

Lol! Now Obama is the one who can’t make a speech without a teleprompter?! And here was silly old me thinking that it was semi-senile John McCain who found it hard to remember what he’s talking about.

“I would like to know, Brett, when you have heard Sarah Palin speak? “

In the video I fucking linked to?

Mesquito -Fred Thompsons joke would’ve been been funny if he hadn’t so obviously reading it off a teleprompter.

If they’re flying in the father of the child especially to keep him out of the media glare, who knows what they’ll do with Palin.

Flying in the father of the baby to appear at the Republican Convention.

He is now her finacé, so why shouldn’t he appear along the family.

They’re getting married, dontcha know?

And just how old was Obama’s mom and just what was her martial status, Tim, when he was born?

Perhaps mesquito would like to explain why, if they’re confident in her, they’ve been keeping her away from the Press since Friday?

I can explain!

She’s been spending time at home in her June Cleaver kitchen, baking brownies and cupcakes to disprove complaints from progressives, leftists and femininststhat she was a bad mother.

Boy some people are desperate!

“Mel has it about right - Palin has got the Dems (and Brett, it seems) rattled. And we know what happens when Lefties get rattled, don’t we children?

Except we also posted when the Obama - Jerimiah Whathisname revelations came out. So bang goes that theory.

Why isn’t the father-to-be with the family! Why are they hiding him! A no-win situation. The only way to supress the media’s interest in the girl’s pregnacy is to quietly inform them that John Edwards is the daddy.

“And just how old was Obama’s mom and just what was her martial status, Tim, when he was born?”

You know, who the fuck cares if her daughter is preganant, or a lesbian even. These things are only an issue when the candidate stands for one thing, but their own circumstances demonstrate another.

Its obvious why they’re flying him in.

Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder

“We can’t afford any more leaders who can’t tell between a foreign policy briefing and a reject script from Buffy the Vampire Slayer”.

Brilliant! Best blog-line I’ve read for months.

“I am very uncomfortable with politicians who feel that they - or movements they belong to - have a preordained ‘destiny’.”

You mean like marxists?

“She’s also believes Intelligent Design should be taught alongside Evolution in science classes.”

Lies. http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/31135_Palin_Has_Not_Pushed_Creationism_As_Governor

“She also believed (or maybe believes) in Alaskan independence from the US.”

Lies. She was never a member of the Alaska Independence party, she has been a life-long Republican.

Really, in the age of google, would a little research kill you?

I have never seen such a slime-fest on the left - they are frantically flinging feces like a cage full of monkeys. Every thing the left says about Sarah Palin is a lie until proven otherwise.

“He is now her finacé, so why shouldn’t he appear along the family.”

Will they remove the shotgun from his back for the family photo?

Christianity is largely about swearing you believe stuff that you know in the cold light of day isn’t really true. I think it’s pretty improbable that she really serious about all that stuff.

CNDers used to go on about how Reagan was an endtimes nutter hell bent on bringing about armageddon but he was actually far more sensible than his rhetoric as it turned out.

You mean like marxists?

Uhuh.

Breaking - the real story of why McCain chose Palin!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-QevraCQUc&eurl=http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/09/im-freaking-governor-of-alaska-i-didnt.html

The extracts quoted from Palin’s preacher re good vs evil and end times are relatively mainstream views amongst white evangelicals in the US. If anything they just cement her status as a conservative/evangelical ‘base pick’. That is not a bad thing for McCain since he was suffering from lukewarm support among those constituencies, now he will get money and votes from them that might well have been lacking before.

The real question is how this stuff plays to independent voters. George Bush was able to play to the Christian Right but was smart enough not to publically espouse its more polarizing theology, unlike Palin.

I have a theory that McCain is hoping to win this election in classic Bush style - by appealing to his base and hoping that he can pull in enough independents and Democrats who are put off by Obama’s race and/or supposed lack of experience to put him over the finishing line.

Brickner in his sermon described terrorist attacks on Israelis as part of “an ongoing reflection of the fact that there is judgment” by God of those who have no accepted Jesus as their savior.

Brickner described when his son Isaac recently “was in Jerusalem he was there to witness some of that judgment, some of that conflict, when a Palestinian from East Jerusalem took a bulldozer and went plowing through a score of cars, killing numbers of people. Judgment—you can’t miss it. “

“Brickner in his sermon described terrorist attacks on Israelis as part of “an ongoing reflection of the fact that there is judgment” …

Oh my god! Palin’s appealing to the Far-Left!

Let’s take Palin’s admirers - who certainly seem like a calm and not at all rattled bunch - at their word. She didn’t support Alaskan independence, only express sympathy for those supporting it; she didn’t support Pat Buchanan just somehow give the impression that he was a great guy in that bipartisan, statesmanlike way she has.
I’d also join those who think her family should not be the issue.

Now if we could just clear up those lingering ethics scandals and abuse of public office charges, settle the question of the book banning, cop firing and then determine what combination of arrogance and idiocy it takes to introduce yourself to the American people with an obvious and easily refutable lie about earmarks and she’ll doubtless propel McCain into the White House.

I have overlooked the funding aspect up till now -and I don’t doubt that she’s helped in that regard. But the air of incompetence that surrounds her selection and the vetting, the questions about McCain’s judgment and the worries people have about her taking over should the old guy with cancer somehow become incapacitated are bigger negatives overall.

CNDers used to go on about how Reagan was an endtimes nutter hell bent on bringing about armageddon but he was actually far more sensible than his rhetoric as it turned out.

har! My sister, highly educated, and her husband, a professor at an elite school, were so conviced of this they spent untold thousands on survival gear and supplies. Now she thinks the oceans are about to inundate the coastline.

“strongly suggests that the cheese has slipped off her cracker”

I like that. Did you make it up yourself Brett, or did you borrow it from someone else?

So a month ago the Republican campaign was based around painting Obama as an elitist without experience but with a nutty preacher.

So then McCain forgets how many houses he has and appoints someone most voters haven’t heard of with nutty preacher.
Great tactics.

Meantime,McCain wants to choose Tom Ridge and push the National Security issue.

Fuck National Security, Ridge is pro Choice.

Abortion, not country first.

“The fires of hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government…and I won’t be buried under their damn flag.” - Joe Vogler, Founder of the Alaskan Independence Party (AIP), 1991

Sarah Palin has admitted that she attended the 2000 convention of the Alaskan Independence Party. She claims this was a courtesy, and she felt obliged to go as an elected representative. She even apparently sent a video message of goodwill to the 2008 convention:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwvPNXYrIyI.

Her husband was a member of the party from the 1990s to something like 2002. Plus some AIP members are claiming that Sarah Palin attended the 1994 convention as well. In 1994 she could not claim to be attending on ‘official business’.

All this flirting with secessionist USA-haters…Not very patriotic I must say!

this stuff seems to be appearing hourly.

WASHINGTON (AP) — GOP vice presidential pick Sarah Palin accepted at least $4,500 in campaign contributions in the same fundraising scheme at the center of a public corruption scandal that led to the indictment of Sen. Ted Stevens.

The contributions, made during Palin’s failed 2002 bid to become Alaska’s lieutenant governor, were not illegal for her to accept. But they show how Palin, a self-proclaimed champion for clean government, has been part of an Alaska political system that is now under the cloud of an ongoing FBI investigation.

Its amazing to compare the frantic activity of the mainstream media in digging for dirt on Palin over the past 4 days with the way they all but ignored the allegations of John Edwards affair and love-child. Why, one would almost think they were biased or something.

Edwards wasn’t nominated for VP.

Edwards wasn’t a Republican.

If Barack Obama was white and had the name ‘Chuck Springsteen’ or ‘Bob Jones’ surely his lead over McCain would be at least double what it is at the moment.
Er no …in that instance, I rather doubt, as a first term senator, the most lefty in the house, that he would have secured the Democratic nomination.

Edwards wasn’t even close to be nominated.

“Pray for our military men and women … that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending out on a task that is from God, … That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”

Huuh … God Bless America … and us dhimmis in the outskirt of the empire with no right to vote.

Am going to YouTube and watching ‘Sarah Palin addresses the AIP convention’…..she says “keep up the good work”, “God bless you”, and all that….then I check their website and they say “considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans’ [sic] who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm’s length distance from a country in decline.”….infact they repeat that theme, talking about a “deteriorating America”….plus they talk about the dream of their founder Joe Vogler, the same dude who described the stars and stripes as “their damn flag”.

Does Sarah Palin agree with the AIP that the United States is a pile of poo? Not good Alaskan polar bear poo, mind you

This election itfor sure better entertainment then the West Wing treacle. :)

The only way to supress the media’s interest in the girl’s pregnancy is to quietly inform them that John Edwards is the daddy.

LOL! Spot on mesquito.

If Barack Obama was white and had the name ‘Chuck Springsteen’ or ‘Bob Jones’ surely his lead over McCain would be at least double what it is at the moment.

Classic bit of race baiting there from obama’s kool aid. Obama’s slender lead couldn’t possibly have anything to do with him being the most unqualified presidential candidate in the modern era, or his cosy patronage of racist evangelical preachers, convicted felons, and domestic terrorists, could it?

“She’s also believes Intelligent Design should be taught alongside Evolution in science classes.”

That is simply not true.

Palin Has Not Pushed Creationism as Governor

http://tinyurl.com/69oemj

So what if this is unravelling faster than with Dan Quayle, Bubba, Scotland has never won the World Cup.

I detect that the qualifying bit in “Palin Has Not Pushed Creationism as Governor” means that the all-important spin is necessary to obscure the fact that there is some truth in the claim that she’s pro creationism. Decoded, does this mean she is in favour of teaching creationism, but she has not “pushed” the issue recently as govenor? Come on, be honest.