Harry’s Place

I thought Clare Solomon was in the SWP, what’s she doing praising GG. Someone tell Chris Harman, he’ll sort her out.

Galloway is the ultimate verbal bully. I admire his eloquence and his ability to articulate but he uses it to shout people down and bulldoze them. He is excellent at raining down rhetoric in almost violent tones….much like Hitler in fact.

What is it about these great orators.

Love this comment from the hooded Kolsuma Miah:

“Well done to George for keeping his anger at a control. I don’t know what I would have done.”

self-immolated perhaps? That would get our attention.

Naimah Gibbons identifies herself as a woman who converted to Islam in 2001.

I’d watch the program but i know myself too well now and i get too upset. Its the same reason i rarely look at the Guardian anymore. After the age of 40 one has to start worrying about blood pressure.

MHWT, partly because treason has not been even nominally punishable by death since the Crime and Disorder Act 1998.

I liked the “I ask the questions!” from George Galloway at about 7 minutes in. Straight from a wartime POW interrogation.

Jesus fucking christ, Galloway is just one tiny step from putting on a pair of jackboots!

What a career progression - from Oswald Moseley to Lord Haw-Haw

In attacking David Henshaw is Galloway attacking the freedom of journalistic enquiry - a vital pillar of any democracy.

Minoan,
GG is not ‘eloquent’. Eloquence means expressing rational arguments in a rational and elegant manner. What GG has is demented and thuggish verbal diarrhoea: imo, not quite the same thing …

Great stuff. It started off quite reasonably, then developed into a quite good Monty Python sketch.

Yes, Suffolk, that’s exactly what he is doing: in line with what jackbooted fascists have been doing for a long time.

jr, GG doesn’t have one-tenth of the brain power of OM, who was quite an intelligent man who somehow lost it in a big way.

David Henshaw was great, he showed just how badly Galloway flops when someone isn’t cowed by bombast and bullying.

“Demented and thuggish verbal diarrhoea”…

A more apt term for what oozes out of GG could not be found.

Incidentally, David T, as a side point, Here is Conor Foley getting his appeasing arse kicked on CiF.

I have to say: I agree with Benji

Galloway is a fabulous entertainer, in the mold of Jeremy Kyle. Whereas Kyle’s audience whoops and screams, Galloway’s fans say things like “Jazzak Allahu Khairum” or “In solidarity”.

It started off reasonably?

Galloway starts off - “Couldn’t it be done without the cloak and dagger?”

In this case..literally the cloak and dagger - the camera underneath the Burqa!!”

Later he claims that Jerry Falwell is in charge of the US Republican party.
From beyond the grave.

Galloway’s fans say things like “Jazzak Allahu Khairum” or “In solidarity”.

Considerly more of the former and less of the latter nowadays.

How long before he officially “reverts”?

When question of gays come up G.G. mentions the republican convention and fundamentalist Christians and Falwell and how they have such influence.

Falwell is dead and Sarah Palin, often portrayed as ‘fundamentalist’, certainly has no intention of lapidating her adulterous daughter to death.

G.G. doesn’t want to see the reality, he protects and shields his denial by attempting to establish equivalences where there aren’t any. His illness is almost palpable, and the protection of that denial a veritable sacred mission. He is a 30s commie apologising for Stalin.

How could anyone film an “undercover church” when there are no preachers or priests calling for the death of gays and apostates?

And just what do the Palestinians have to do with some backward headscarf encouraging acts of murder in a London mosque?

And has this headscarf been apprehended and charged with incitment to murder?

And it IS becoming obvious that ‘moderate’ Islam is a complete fiction, and that the ideology is so riddled with hate that no reform is possible. Islam represents the complete inversion of Judeo-Christian morality and ethics, stoking its chauvinism and intolerance at every turn.

Canada counts a few moderate muslims, among them Tareq Fatah who, upon expressing moderate ideas, was promptly declared apostate and then flooded with death threats along with his children.

It’s all very depressing.

This is a classic Fox News style interview - shouty, and entertainy. Pretty poor show from GG. Anyway, lets leave Naimah Gibbons out of it, shall we.

Anyway, lets leave Naimah Gibbons out of it, shall we.

Why?

I gave Naimah Gibbons’s excretable pile of drivel a going over and my Safali-dar (like a gaydar, but not quite as pleasing) almost overloaded.

Laughed out loud. Hilarious. Although, Benji, it reminded me less of Monty Python than of Alan Partridge’s interview with the Norfolk Farmers’ Union rep:

‘Your conduct in this interview speaks volumes’

‘Do you deny that, Peter Baxendale-Thomas?… No?… His silence, I think, speaks volumes.’

It’s also worth repeating that Dispatches did do a riveting investigation this year into fundamentalist Christians operating in Britain.

Galloway: ‘This was literally a cloak and dagger.’

Literally?

Even if the US Christian right were as bad as what was spoken on the dispatches programme, simply pointing at them is no argument in defence. In fact its a bloody absurd argument in defence.

Whatever may be wrong with the Dispatces programme, old George demonstrated in that clip how not to make criticisms of it. The whole exchange was absurd and very amusing, and I shall be looking out for more.

Here is how you stop Galloway when in full flow.

Galloway processes information primarily as an Auditory/Digital by classical NLP analysis. He also has some obvious Kinesthetics about him (Emotion). That means he won’t be put off-track in one of his speeches by any visual method like waving arms.

What you need to do is shout across him with accusational statements that make no sense. The harrasing he got was logical and so was easily ignored. The laughing had some effect because it was an emotional sleight.

Simply shout VERY loudly something that makes no sense like “You are an asterisk!” or “Why do you not like cigars?” (because he does). His backgound processing will have to halt to try and make sense of non-sequitors and that will cause him to stutter while he deals with bad logic? George will then enquire about you mis-logic. Simply proceed “Now I have your attention……” (That’ll wind him up).

BTW - I note two things Galloway said:-

“Zionist Jews”. I think he wanted to say “Jews” but I suspect he has an Antisemitism avoidance system programmed into his logic.

He somehow kept weaving Israel’s treatment of Palestinians into the argument although it didn’t seem relevant.

It was very funny, or it would have been without the comments by Galloway’s ditto-heads. Why is he stoking up these damaged people?

reminded me less of Monty Python than of Alan Partridge’s interview with the Norfolk Farmers’ Union rep

Ah yes, that as well. Steve Coogan and Chris Morris.

Nearly,

True perhaps “eloquence” was the wrong word. However no matter how much i hate him i rate him as a great orator.

Kind of like the same way i think Michael Jackson was a great artist though he is still a sick paedophile.

Hilarious - GG getting cut to shreds, great to see.

By the way, I don’t think Galloway is antisemitic, I just think he thinks he’s defending Muslims with this stuff - he is not. Muslims do need defending from needless prejudice and unpleasantness, but this isn’t the way to do it.

Benji - you are quite right. Mustn’t be knee jerk on this one.

The point about these commentators is this. These are people who hear a woman calling for the killing of homosexuals and religious dissenters.

Instead of being horrified, they are overjoyed to hear the man who uncovered this incitement to murder being attacked, and whoop their approval, which they express in religious terms.

John P, I would expect you of all people to know what ‘adulterous’ means…

I agree with Benji/TheIrie

The trouble is, Galloway isn’t simply trying to “defend” Muslims. He’s also trying to create an utterly false sense that there is an onslaught against Muslims, and that there’s nothing intrinsically wrong with a preacher calling for the deaths of gays or apostates.

That’s not just ‘defending Muslims’. That’s inciting fear in Muslims, and encouraging murderous extremism.

Awful to think that the fanzoids commenting afterwards are the next generation of doctors, dentists, lawyers, government advisors and property speculators.

Clare Solomon - young star of the far-left, NUS mover and shaker, and former SOAS sabbatical officer for Finance, Student Services, and Communist Dogma - apparently took the SWP’s love of Islamism so seriously that she converted and got herself a Muslim husband, but then divorced him. Hot gossip.

Presumably if one of those nutjobs harms the Dispatches guy there could be a claim against Galloway? Incitement?

Simply shout VERY loudly something that makes no sense like “You are an asterisk!” or “Why do you not like cigars?” (because he does). His backgound processing will have to halt to try and make sense of non-sequitors and that will cause him to stutter while he deals with bad logic? George will then enquire about you mis-logic. Simply proceed “Now I have your attention……” (That’ll wind him up).

Or, ‘Hey shithead, when was the last time you picked your feet? Huh? I’ve got a man in Poughkeepsie who wants to talk to you. Have you ever been to Poughkeepsie? Huh? Have you ever been to Poughkeepsie? Come on, come on say it. Let me hear you say it. Come on. Have you ever been to Poughkeepsie? You’ve been to Poughkeepsie haven’t you? I want to hear it, come on! You’ve been there, right? You sat on the edge of the bed, didn’t you? You took of your shoes, put your finger between your toes and picked your feet, didn’t you? Now say it!’

*off…

It is astonishing that Galloway did not at least start the ‘interview’ by saying something like, “I accept that saying homosexuals and apostates from Islam should be murdered is repugnant but….”. Similarly with pressuring women into quitting their jobs.

Two (non-exclusive) possible conclusions to draw from this - either Galloway is not bothered by the incitement to murder recorded or the Iranian government TV sponsors wouldn’t stand for it.

Instead of being horrified, they are overjoyed to hear the man who uncovered this incitement to murder being attacked, and whoop their approval, which they express in religious terms.

Look, there are some evangelicals, the more clueless ones, who are still waiting for the anti-christ.

Islam substitutes morality and ethics with sets of obssessive-compulsive purity rituals, in which one chalks up points to get into heaven.

There are no objective standards of right and wrong, and even moderates like Josuf Smith ( who was once allowed to post here) see nothing wrong with the pro-pos expressed in Undercover Mosque, and indeed feel they’ve been unfairly ‘taken out of context!

No indignation, on the part of even so-called moderate muslims for the hatred expressed in this programme is ever shown, which, of course, means that those moderates AGREE with such propos.

The murderous message is ignored whereas those reporting on it are condemned.

Same old, same old.

What John said at 2:34.

I loved the interview.

The best part is when Galloway says something like: a wideheld view among Muslims is that men and women shouldn’t work together, and you are attacking that view… and… ummm… in Press TV men and women work together… ummm…

I find it odd that George would said

In this case you’re even kicking Muslim women, I don’t think much of men who beat up on women, and don’t give them an opportunity to reply

Seems to be in contrast to some of his previous conversations with people who beat up on, and rape Muslim women

Greets Uday like an old friend, shaking his hand and twice calling him “Excellency”.

Taunts America — and vows to stick with sadistic Uday “until the end”.

I always thought George had found his calling in the media-just like TTalk Sport, he’s a natural. Well done George for telling it like it is and uncovering these scumbags.

Wasn’t the undercover reporter herself a Muslim?

So those cheering on Galloway are ironically cheering on a non-Muslim (who supports extremism) vs. a moderate Muslim.

P.

It is absolutely true that the Old Testament (and indeed, the New Testament) contain some pretty ghastly material.

There is a difference, however, between a cleric who takes those texts and treats them as part of the history of the faith, or regards them as allegorical, or what have you: and a preacher who says - as this woman did - “this is what we must do to apostates and homosexuals: we must kill them”

Galloway knows this, but he also knows that he’ll push all the right buttons by talking instead about embattled Islam, and Zionists and so on. So this is what he does.

“He somehow kept weaving Israel’s treatment of Palestinians into the argument although it didn’t seem relevant”

It didn’t SEEM relevant????????? It had absolutely eff-all to do with anything. It never has, even when he ponced about Ramallah spewing crypto-Nazi shit. He doesn’t care about ‘Palestinians’. This is simply one of his subroutines. The man is very ill, as you rightly pointed out.

The rest of your post is spot on and very funny ;-)

David T,

Where, - exactly - in the Old or the New Testament are there texts that call for the killing of “apostates and homosexuals”?

“By the way, I don’t think Galloway is antisemitic, I just think he thinks he’s defending Muslims with this stuff - he is not”

The usual apologetics for sicko fascists from Benjamin, nothing new there (and of course, with the obligatory tail-waving from lapdog Irie). He doesn’t give a toss about Muslims. He hates Jews with standard issue psychotic bile.

Ozkok, I don’t find it at all astonishing, given what a scumbag he is.

And I still disagree that he is a ‘great orator’. He makes my skin crawl even before he opens his mouth. After that it’s sick-bag time. Not how I normally react to great orators, it has to be said.

“If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.”

Leviticus 20:13

http://bible.cc/leviticus/20-13.htm

Don’t know about apostates, but the OT specifically does call for the stoning of males ’sleeping’ with males. Not that it has any bearing on criminals inciting to murder in the UK, headscarf or no headscarf. The cowardice of our public servants in not bunging the lot of them in jail is sickening.

Exodus 22:19 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

Steady on Nearly. I think the interview is more amusing than anything else. Henshaw had the right idea at the end of the ‘interview’, he couldn’t contain his mirth.

I certainly don’t defend Galloway, I have made my position clear. One can be against him here, without thinking he is a fascist or an antisemite. He is neither, in my view. I don’t think he agrees with extremist Muslims, nor do I think he hates Jews. I just think he is banging on in this way because he thinks he is somehow defending Muslims by doing that.

Venichka,

The OT does contain genocidal holy war type stories; and one could argue that Sodom and Gommorah does condone the murder of homosexuals. Of course it could be argued that God punished babylon because they were just thieving cretins as oppsoed to because they liked sodomising travellers. If i got any of that wrong i apologise, my OT memory is not what it should be :-)

However, i dont believe much of the OT and archeological digs have shown that there is a major exaggeration going on about the supposed murder and genocide committed by the chosen people against the Phillistines.

Also, other than a people called the Habiru ( which could be the early hebrews) there appears no mention of Jews, or Israel until the Israel Stele circa 1000BC found in Egypt.

I’m not claiming the non-miralce stuff did not happen just not to the extent as described in the bible. Now maybe telling porkies about genocide is as bad as committing it, but not in my opinion.

It is absolutely true that the Old Testament (and indeed, the New Testament) contain some pretty ghastly material.

There are only two references condemning homosexuality in the OT.

There are multiple passages in the koran exhorting Muslims to kill. So much so, in fact, that it reads like a war manual.

So without even getting into questions of interpretations by this scholar or that theologian, at the level of scripture alone no comparison whatsoever can be drawn between Islam’s core texts and those of the two other monotheistic faiths.

Islam is the antithesis of Jewish and Christian morality and its frequent appeals for dialogue with both, no more than cynical attempts to glean abrahamic legitimacy.

It is as perverse as its founder.

I’d have thought that most apostates will also be blasphemers, about whom the Old Testament has this to say:

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.

http://bible.cc/leviticus/24-16.htm

Even - and I want to make this absolutely clear - even if I DO say Jehovah

On the other hand, isnt David’s and Jonathan’s relationship a homosexual one? I always thought it was because the way it describes David undressing in front of Jonathan and him being pleased by the sight must be a clear indication of a more than platonic relationship.

I knwo there are different interpretations but i remmeber looking into this a long time ago and coming to the conclusion that they had something going.

Haha, I was just waiting for Clare Solomon, the Student Union President of my university, SOAS (School of Orchestrated Anti-Semitism) to pipe up in his defence. She is definitely my favourite Muslim Lesbian Communist single-mother who lives in a council flat in one London’s most desirable buildings.

“I certainly don’t defend Galloway, I have made my position clear. One can be against him here, without thinking he is a fascist or an antisemite. He is neither, in my view. I don’t think he agrees with extremist Muslims, nor do I think he hates Jews. I just think he is banging on in this way because he thinks he is somehow defending Muslims by doing that.”

I do not think that George Galloway has any hostile animus towards Jews. He does not subscribe to the anti-semitic form of anti-Zionism, in which Israel runs the United States.

He would clearly infinitely prefer a secular “hard man” to a religious nut: but he’s happy to do business with religious loons, if that’s the new game in town.

He takes the public political stance he does for a number of reasons. First, because it is his unique selling point: nobody is doing what he does. He loves to be adored: and has found an adoring public.
Secondly, no doubt, he regards Muslims as his footsoldiers in the battle against international capitalism and imperialism.

Exodus 22:19 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

It’s 22:20 in Christian bibles.

If everything ultimately goes back to genesis,the homosexuality stuff was put in as an after thought so as not to challenge gods provision of the two sexes. Therefore unless you are an extremist and believe in creationism you can put it aside and continue to be a christian

DavidT,
And there’s shitloads of cash in it for him.

Rest assured there wont be any Undercover Temple or Undercover Synangogue despite the hatred spread by those institutions

tim
“DavidT,
And there’s shitloads of cash in it for him.”

what a pity theres no money in defending Israel hey? (heavy irony)

HPBNP - Why don’t you make that program? IE, waste years of your life for a show with nothing interesting in it.

DavidT

“Galloway is a fabulous entertainer, in the mold of Jeremy Kyle. Whereas Kyle’s audience whoops and screams, Galloway’s fans say things like “Jazzak Allahu Khairum” or “In solidarity”.”

Should he say mazelTov instead

“The trouble is, Galloway isn’t simply trying to “defend” Muslims. He’s also trying to create an utterly false sense that there is an onslaught against Muslims”

Absurd- has Iraq been invaded? Afghanistan? Checyna? palestine? hundreds detained under terrorism acts ?Kashmir? Is the zionist press daily full of Hitlerian attacks on Muslims? Do political and religious figures attack the Muslim community?

The funny thing is Harrys Place does exactly the same with Jews

Ozkok

Exodus 22:19 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

It’s 22:20 in Christian bibles.

Whoopeee!

If you can’t keep up with the discussion and have no understanding of teh point thyat there is a differenece between a text existing and for it to be the modern day policy of a religion then I suggest you Piss Off and don’t bother us. (There! I said it!)

Generally Judaism and Christianity avoid giving religious sanction to murder these days, whatever the bible says. In Judaism this is a result of the development of the halakhah. An unfortunate and abhorrent exception to this is the use of the concept of din rodef by a minority of fanatics to justify political assassination. Galloway clearly doesn’t understand the important difference between what the ancient religious texts say about e.g. homosexuality and what the actual practise is in the normative religion today. In the case of Jewish halakhah this difference is well defined and stark. If a vicar or rabbi were to advocate killing gays or apostates then the tv would obviously be all over it in no time.

My question about Galloway is: notwithstanding the fact that a court has established that he is no antisemite, to what extent does his behaviour encourage antisemitism and sexism?

RobG
“HPBNP - Why don’t you make that program? IE, waste years of your life for a show with nothing interesting in it.”

yeah Im sure C4 will commision it. Just like publishers would publish a book in reply to Melanie Phillips “Londonistan” on Jewish influence in London called “Hymietown”

I wonder how Galloway would fare in an face to face with this guy?

Maven - umm I do understand that. Someone asked where the source was for these things in the Old Testament..so I found it. I don’t think modern Jews advocate the killing of apostates. In fact Judaism has been filtered over thousands of years of being a religion in the diaspora without political sovereignty. Islam has not.

What is you find so upsetting? The fact that it’s there in the book?

I wonder when the last time a Jewish “apostate” was murdered on a Rabbi’s order?

Or a homosexual?

so basically, David T, you’re saying that all those people are wrong and you’re right? In that case why not contact Galloway’s people and ask to go on the show? Go on - give it a go and show us you’re not just some bitch on the net.

To be honest, I thought he looked like a doddery old man. Definietly a pub bore, the sort of fella who corners you and drones on about his favourite obssession because he thinks you fancy him.

Get a subscription to the LRB, HPBNP.

Absurd- has Iraq been invaded? Afghanistan? Checyna? palestine? hundreds detained under terrorism acts ?Kashmir? Is the zionist press daily full of Hitlerian attacks on Muslims? Do political and religious figures attack the Muslim community?

And hasn’t Islam invaded N. Africa, Egypt, Palestine, Afganistan, The Levant, Persia, Byzantium, The Balkans, The Sindh AND kashmir murdering tens of millions along the way? Muslims have carried out over 11,000 terror attcks since 911 and almost everyone killed in these attacks were Muslims.

Why no indignation? Are all of you braindead BNPHP?

Or, as we see in Undercover Mosque, is it just that Islam’s sick morality, due to its man-made origins, places no value on human life?

It is clearly Islam that kills and then lies about it, and not documentary film makers

Either way, the individuals exposed in this documentary are repugnant and disgusting sociopaths. The are obviously afflicted with ’spiritual rabies’ and thus need, at the very least, to be placed in secure isolation from civil society.

A thoughtfully appointed padded room comes to mind.

They are demopaths and poisonous contaminants.

so basically, David T, you’re saying that all those people are wrong and you’re right? In that case why not contact Galloway’s people and ask to go on the show? Go on - give it a go and show us you’re not just some bitch on the net.

Now that sounds like a very good idea.

Rest assured there wont be any Undercover Temple or Undercover Synangogue despite the hatred spread by those institutions

What’s stopping you, dumbo?

Brainless or Faceless?

Your suggestion in the light of David Ts article about GG using his show to bully, shout down, berate and rant at anyone he disagrees with is……..to go on the show and be bullied , shouted down and berated.

What a genius you are.

“so basically, David T, you’re saying that all those people are wrong and you’re right? ”

Dear boy/girl; you clearly have a habit of writing before engaging brain (which although you are ‘faceless’ I assume you have somewhere).

I suspect David T is saying that GG rants and raves about palestine and berates figures that his audience despises and his audience love it because he is telling them what they want to hear (as opposed to conducting interviews or engaging in intelligent debate).

Right or wrong doesn’t really come into it. I suspect that this a little difficult for you to comprehend; but Im just trying to help;-)

Back on topic - noone takes GG seriously except the type of people whose comments are posted on what I assume was the Press TV website.

The Islamists are quite welcome to GG. If they are so stupid as to believe he is some sort of help to them, long may it continue.

Matt

Crikey! Must be a record audience for Press TV (a station I was unaware of before being asked on by George).

Sadly, the microphone didn’t pick up by final question to the gorgeous one, namely - was he in favour of stoning adulterers to death? A question of more than academic interest, given that Press TV is funded by the Iranian government.

Incidentally, after the recording I went to shake George’s hand. “Fuck off!” was the

…..great man’s gracious response. A hit, I thought, a palpable hit.

I thought you handled him very well David - you treated the interview seriously at the start (generously giving him the benefit of the doubt) and then when it became clear you were there just to be abused and the whole thing was a set-up you did the only reasonable (and natural) thing - you laughed at him.

And he really hates that.

Yeh he’s not looking so indefatigable now.

Did he stand up to shake your hand David, the height explains some of the fragile ego.

If you want a question he really refuses to answer, ask him whether the Oil For Food money that went through his wifes Jordanian account ended up in their joint account in Glasgow.
Now that one really gets him angry.

Will there be a re-match David H?

David

I’ve been invited on these shows, and I’ve taken the view that

- PressTV is a propaganda station run by Iran
- Their shows are simply invitations to be pilloried

Were you surprised at your treatment on the show?

I thought you came out very well: but as you can see, Galloway’s fan club think that their man slapped you down. That’s why I think these sorts of shows aren’t worth doing.

I agree with Benji.

Benji, you must feel like all those years where you defended Galloway endlessly on this site, even desperately sticking up for him while he was on Big Brother, were rather wasted.

Good to see you can admit you were wrong. Good man.

Mike

When I “defended” Galloway in the Big Brother house, it was less about defending Galloway per se and more about objecting to the form of criticism. This post achieves the right balance and focus, however.

Also, I don’t think Big Brother is particularly funny. This is.

This YouTube page is of course satire and in no way suggests any wrongdoing on the part of Galloway:

http://www.youtube.com/user/GeorgeGaIIoway

So, there you have it.

According to GG’s fan club Dispatches journalists and editors are “scumbags” - not people who call for the murder of those who exercise the freedom to change their religion.

Are ties illegal in Iran or something? Galloway isn’t wearing one, Ahmadinejad doesn’t wear one, the Royal Marines and Royal Navy personnel (the male ones; the woman was made to wear a sack) who were kidnapped were given shiny suits to wear without ties. What’s that all about? Did Muhammed - in between bouts of killing, raping, theft and child abusing - have trouble tying a Double Windsor, and therefore, upon inventing his medieval deathcult, decree that ties are forbidden? Or is trying to apply that sort of logic to a cruel and unusual theocracy like Iran an exercise in futility?

I’ve heard that ties are a sign of Westernism and are discouraged.

The guy “faceless” who just posted on here runs site which caters for Georges fans.Even in this Berlin bunker/Jonestown theres very little support.

http://couchtripper.com/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=2749&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Most people seem to think he made a prick of himself.

My lingering thought from the absurd exchange was simply how very peculiar Galloway is. Before the cameras rolled, he engaged in a weird kind of breathing exercise, as if to pump himself up. Am I right in thinking he used to be a boxer?

Before the cameras rolled, he engaged in a weird kind of breathing exercise, as if to pump himself up

Was he wanking?

He did do some amateur boxing in Dundee.
Tell me you’re kidding about the breathing exercises.

David Henshaw

Well I wouldn’t hold that against him, I think TV presenters have their little routines. He is certainly is one of a kind is old Galloway, indeed. I think he was a boxer at one point, yes.

Perhaps he was thinking about the night when he went skinny dipping with Fidel Castro.

“Rest assured there wont be any Undercover Temple or Undercover Synangogue despite the hatred spread by those institutions”

Antisemitic wanker.

What Maven said at 4:04. With knobs on. And then bells.

Banjamin, you can believe any old nonsense you like, and usually you do, but don’t tell me to ’steady on’. I disagree with everything you say there, don’t you know, old bean. Tough cheese. I believe he is a sick antisemite.

Banjamin, you can believe any old nonsense you like, and usually you do, but don’t tell me to ’steady on’. I disagree with everything you say there, don’t you know, old bean. Tough cheese. I believe he is a sick antisemite.

Benji, you spent years defending his every move and demanding that HP not mention him. This is a good opportunity for you to reflect on what else you might be getting wrong.

“I do not think that George Galloway has any hostile animus towards Jews. He does not subscribe to the anti-semitic form of anti-Zionism, in which Israel runs the United States”

Doesn’t follow. You can be an antisemite without saying that Israel runs the USA.

The idea that GG ‘cares’ about Muslims is one that I find hilarious.

” I don’t think modern Jews advocate the killing of apostates”

Priceless.

“Absurd- has Iraq been invaded? Afghanistan? Checyna? palestine?”

No, moron.

My link didn’t work earlier. I’d like to see Galloway face off with this guy

http://article.nationalreview.com/

Benji, you spent years defending his every move and demanding that HP not mention him.

Not at all. I don’t take Galloway particularly seriously. I think some of the criticisms of him are wide of the mark, but some are not. HP did have a rather bizarre obsession with him at one point.

Nearly Oxfordian

“The idea that GG ‘cares’ about Muslims is one that I find hilarious”

Yes the people who really care about Muslims are the zionists at HP
Am just basking in the love!

JohnP

“And hasn’t Islam invaded N. Africa, Egypt, Palestine, Afganistan, The Levant, Persia, Byzantium, The Balkans, The Sindh AND kashmir murdering tens of millions along the way?”

Well at least you dont live in the past. Tens of miliion

“Why no indignation? Are all of you braindead BNPHP?”

Yes we are. All 1.3 billion of us. Much like all 11 million followers of Judaism are greedy and cruel.

Doesn’t follow.

Those two sentences were separate points.

David,
Do you have a training course that you put your reporters on so they can spot tell tale signs of violent extremists?
If so could you consider putting George through it,he does seem to struggle a bit.
When he ran the Al Massari Must Stay campaign, he was convinced that Al Massari was a legitimate political refugee,only after getting his deportation hearing reversed did Galloway realise that he was a violent jihadist and anti semite who’d been with Bin Laden in Afghanistan,and indeed had been helping out Osamas operation in London.
Perhaps you could teach George to spot the signs?

There’s plenty of nasty stuff in the Bible, but in all the years I went to Sunday school and Bible studies class they tended to ignore it or gloss over it (as they did the blatant contradictions and stuff like Jesus’s promise to return during the lifetime of his hearers). Stuff like stoning people to death for working on the Sabbath was a bit much even for a congregation of Scots and Irish Presbyterians. I’d be surprised if many churches went in for that sort of thing. If this assumption is wrong, I would regard it as a great service if a media organisation were to explose it.

Incidentally the best summary of the Old Testament is Randolph Churchill’s reaction on reading the thing in full for the first time. “God. What a shit God was.”

John P, I would expect you of all people to know what ‘adulterous’ means…

Oops, you’re quite right.

Ok, Palin’s daughter is just promiscuous.

“HP did have a rather bizarre obsession with him at one point.”

Well, I think George Galloway has been one of the major promoters, in this country, of the utterly false notion that there is a War Against Muslims.

That idea has produced a huge level of alienation and fear among some British Muslims.

“Absurd- has Iraq been invaded? Afghanistan? Checyna? palestine? hundreds detained under terrorism acts ?Kashmir? Is the zionist press daily full of Hitlerian attacks on Muslims? Do political and religious figures attack the Muslim community?”

HPBNP: Did you regard Saddam’s responsibility for the deaths of over a million Muslims, the Taliban’s massacre of the Muslim Hazara as part of the same War Against Muslims? How does Russia - presently propping up Iran - figure in this great calculation? For the Muslims or against them? Explain how the border dispute between India and Pakistan in Kashmir is part of this great war.

Which of the leading “political and religious figures” in the United Kingdom who you think are part of the War against Muslims have said that you should not have Muslims as friends or that anybody who converts to Islam should be killed?

Don’t bother answering. You are a very good example of the nutty gallery to which Galloway plays.

“Ok, Palin’s daughter is just promiscuous.”

I doubt that is true at all. Seems she has been with one man, the man who is the father of her unborn child, the man she is planning to marry. I don’t think you can describe her as promiscuous.

Oh, just fuck off, HP. You are both dumb and boring.

HPBNP, of course.

Don’t forget that George is closely allied with Jamaat e Islaami/IFE who in Bangladesh were responsible for some of the largest and most brutal massacres of Muslims and mass rape of Muslim women, ever seen.
Yet the Jamaat front organisation, the Islamic Forum of Europe, is the group he credits for his election in 2005

“It is absolutely true that the Old Testament (and indeed, the New Testament) contain some pretty ghastly material.” – David T.

New Testament: Where exactly?

I’m thinking of the unpleasant incident involving the Gadarene Swine.

Well Revelations reads like the ravings of a Special Brew drinker outside Bethnal Green tube station.

St Paul’s injunctions to women to learn their place are a bit iffy too.

[Deleted Fake John G: the real one has now switched off his support for GG]

David Henshaw

Galloway used to be a very good amateur boxer. Sometimes he challenges people to a fight. I thought you did extremely well, he looked an absolute idiot.

Yes we are. All 1.3 billion of us.

I’m starting to think so myself. You see, Muslims have committed over 11,000 terroist acts since 911 and nearly all the victims in those attacks were Muslims. For Muslims to not express indignation at such outrageous behaviors does indeed signal that many are morally braindead.

You kill each other in acts of joyous satanic abandon, you blow up each other’s mosques in the *holy* month of ramadan and your only concerns revolve around zionists and eschewing pork!

You. Are. Retarded.

This documentary speaks the truth, and shows the ugliness, the vulgarity and the Bronze Age idiocy charactersing islam and makes it available for all the world to see.

And when people such as you become so impervious to basic decency and common sense that rational discussion is impossibl,e then the only choice left is brute force, isn’t it?

The Islamic world is a nest of worthless, arrogant gasbags ( like you!) who can be turned on each other by outside agitators almost at will.

Foreign aid, the only think keeping the Muslim world from mass starvation, should be withdrawn, those Muslims not born in The West repatriated, and the rest left to rot while ruminating about Jews, gays and Christains.

It is only when that hunger hits home and Muslims come to the realisation that Allah won’t provide, that the faculties of critical thought will once again kick-in.

The Koran is being abandonned by large numbers of people, BNPHP, and so you shouldn’t miss the boat.

Because, like, Christianity and Judaism have never been given to murderous sectarianism.

In fact, Richard and I would dearly like to be his MFF bitches.

David T - I do not think that George Galloway has any hostile animus towards Jews. He does not subscribe to the anti-semitic form of anti-Zionism, in which Israel runs the United States

Oxo - I believe he is a sick antisemite

George Galloway (07/08/2008) - You can call me wrong, you can call me mad. You can even call me bad, but don’t, I give you fair warning, call me anti-semitic. That’s what the Jcom radio station imputed to me last year, and it cost them at the High Court last week. When I complained about their sick spoof, I got a supercilious response that claimed the broadcast was not in the least defamatory. As Mr Justice Eady, who heard the case last week, put it, such a claim is palpably “absurd”. Jcom then failed to agree with me an apology but instead published on its website, though did not broadcast, a form of words which fell short of the categorical retraction of the imputation of anti-semitism that I insisted upon. Therefore there ended up no alternative but legal action, during which Judge Eady stated, “Mr Galloway is the founding member of the Respect Party and is prominent in denouncing racism and discrimination, and has no anti-semitic or racist views.” He awarded damages of £15,000 against the station, which will be recovered, despite its saying that it will apply to be wound-up.

[http://www.totallyjewish.com/news/special_reports/?content_id=9769]

So it’s like this Oxo; you are brave enough to brand Galloway a sick antisemite from behind your shield of anonymity.

David T, however, is a well-known lawyer and also eminently sensible on this matter; Galloway is both litigious and likely to win substantial damages from a lawyer who ignored a court’s ruling. Though I don’t think that any of us are in doubt as to David’s true feelings towards Galloway; it’s in the notes he doesn’t play.

My question to you; do you have the courage to repeat your libellous accusation on a blog published under your own identity? Go on, show us you’ve got the minerals.

Or shut up.

“Because, like, Christianity and Judaism have never been given to murderous sectarianism.”

Yes sadly they have.

So have socialism, communism and many other ideologies. Sectarianism is a symptom of certain human inclinations, that are also displayed during football matches.

It isn’t a question of what a court might say. It is simply what I think

Although it is funny to see Galloway flummoxed and someone is given the chance to answer him back - the problem is his portrayal of ‘War on Islam’ narrative. Judging by the comments by his supporters many people buy this concept - we have also seen in the martyrdom videos of convicted terrorists that they were partly driven by a belief that Islam was ‘under attack’ by the west. This is as dangerous as it is repellant.

Although he does put me in mind of an evil David Brent.

Er, David T,

‘Because, like, Christianity and Judaism have never been given to murderous sectarianism.’

Christianity? To which one do you refer? (not very witty, I know, but I try).

I doubt that is true at all. Seems she has been with one man, the man who is the father of her unborn child, the man she is planning to marry. I don’t think you can describe her as promiscuous.

Who cares anyway? Everyone is entitled to a private life.

That’s right HPBNP, when occidentals dare to criticise so-called extremists in Islam (and we all know that suicide bombers and their mentors are all peace-loving moderates) the best way we can expose their hypocrisy is to attack the Jews …

Can I just remind you all that I’m ashamed to be a Jew!

So it’s like this Oxo; you are brave enough to brand Galloway a sick antisemite from behind your shield of anonymity.

Actually he said “I believe he is a sick antisemite”. Surely he is entitled to believe what he wants to believe, and openly stating those beliefs, without the threat of being sued by the litigious (your word) Galloway - I think it’s called free speech.

When Galloway talks in derisive terms of “the Zionists” he is deriding the views of the vast majority of Jews who are, without a doubt, Zionists. That’s not anti-semitic per se, but as a Jew I certainly find it condescending at best.

Deborah Fink

Can I just remind you all that I’m ashamed to be a Jew!

Yes Deborah, if that is indeed you, we are all ashamed and embarrassed that you are a Jew.

David Henshaw should be nominated for an award for defending the principle of a free press. Galloway’s paymasters in Iran will have enjoyed his theatrics but most people in the UK - including many Muslims - will either laugh or fume or just shake their heads in incredulity at this buffoonery.

Geodesic, when I want to start taking orders from you, which will be a very cold day in hell, I’ll tell you.
Now fuck off, jerk.

Thanks for that, Koppers.

Didn’t he speak in derisive terms of ‘Zionist Jews’ rather than ‘Zionists’?

DF: I am ashamed that we belong to the same species.

David T,

Funny I always thought that was just a prissy biblical prohibition against bad drag (or maybe male to female transexual lesbians, it depends a bit on the translations).

HPBNP is a very witty acronym. Oh how we rolled in the aisles.

“Awful to think that the fanzoids commenting afterwards are the next generation of doctors, dentists, lawyers, government advisors and property speculators.”

Au contraire, Sue. Surely, given their lack of even rudimentary critical faculties and (some of) them being associated with far-lefty radical chic, these are the benefit fraudsters, dole scroungers and weird smelly people of future generations?

A tad reactionary there, possibly? Hmmm.

If Clare Solomon is an SWPer (and she is a left list-er), she has amusingly failed to purge her profile pictures of anti-party right-deviationism in the form of Gallowayite apologia. Seemingly like many of a terribly sincere and oh so earnest pure left-wing bent, most of her profile pictures are in fact not actually of her. Surely by the age of 34 she should have outgrown this juvenilia? But then, her politics are “revolutionary socialista” apparently. How wonderfully romantically stirring.

Deborah Fink

Well convert then. No-one will miss you.

Though I don’t think that any of us are in doubt as to David’s true feelings towards Galloway; it’s in the notes he doesn’t play.

So, even though he says quite clearly he doesn’t think he’s antisemitic, and gives good reasons why he thinks that, apparently there are “unplayed notes” that allow you, Geodesic Malarkey, to divine precisely the opposite opinion.

Fuck off.

It’s a given that Nearly is an ill-mannered tosser, but Mark? I don’t think Geodesic necessarily arrived at precisely the opposite opinion. In fact he quite ambiguously stated that none of us are in doubt about David’s thoughts. Just asked a foul-mouthed little squirt to put up or shut up.

I wonder when the last time a Jewish “apostate” was murdered on a Rabbi’s order?

-shmuel - there are apparently some accounts from the shtetl’s in the 19th C in E. Europe and earlier times of such things occuring but these are of course incredibly hard to verify.
-i also heard a story of some apostate Jew in Amsterdam in the time of Spinoza who was publicly flogged in the synagogue after seeking to end his cherem (and the community apparently walked over/trod on him on their exit).

He did do some amateur boxing in Dundee.

If you grow up in Dundee, you don’t have much of a choice.

Well Revelations reads like the ravings of a Special Brew drinker outside Bethnal Green tube station.

Very well put.

David T

“I’m thinking of the unpleasant incident involving the Gadarene Swine.”

Wasn’t that the incident where Jesus cured a man of his insanity by manifesting said evil spirits in some pigs who promptly killed themselves?

You know I can’t believe I am going to make this analogy, but if He had cut those pig’s hearts out and transplanted them into a sick person, like, you know, a Western doctor might, would that have been an awful incident comparable to the genocide in the Old Testament too?

I noticed that the chairs were very high. Does Galloway have a box he stands on to be able to mount the chair. Maybe his heavy breathing was the effort expended to sit on them. Maybe it was the rarified atmosphere.

“It’s a given that Nearly is an ill-mannered tosser”

I wouldn’t want a waste of protoplasm like you to think any different of me..

Koppers

‘Yes Deborah, if that is indeed you, we are all ashamed and embarrassed that you are a Jew.’

Great Koppers. Thankyou.

Alec - I apologise for my rather intemperate language.

However this passage -

David T, however, is a well-known lawyer and also eminently sensible on this matter; Galloway is both litigious and likely to win substantial damages from a lawyer who ignored a court’s ruling. Though I don’t think that any of us are in doubt as to David’s true feelings towards Galloway; it’s in the notes he doesn’t play.

is quite clearly an insinuation that David T’s “true feelings towards Galloway” are that he is antisemitic, and that it is only the threat of legal action that prevents him from saying so.

Sad to say Ben, becoming a professional is nothing to do with intelligence or critical faculties, it’s a case of diligence and application. Middle class, urban Muslims value education as it is the door to entering the professions and thus will work hard to become a self-employed professional.

Mark …is quite clearly an insinuation that David T’s “true feelings towards Galloway” are that he is antisemitic, and that it is only the threat of legal action that prevents him from saying so

If I gave that impression I apologise; I meant from past postings that it is quite obvious that David finds him odious/loathsome/despicable. As he has already said twice on this thread that he doesn’t believe Galloway to be an anti-semite I am quite prepared to take him at his word.

David T- your reference to the Gadarene Swine reminded me of this from RD Laing’s Politics Of Experience which seems particularly apposite given the behaviour of some of HP’s commenters:

From an ideal vantage point on the ground, a formation of planes may be observed in the air. One plane may be out of formation. But the whole formation may be off course. The plane that is ‘out of formation’ may be abnormal, bad or ‘mad,’ from the point of view of the formation. But the formation itself may be bad or mad from the point of view of the ideal observer. The plane that is out of formation may also be more or less off course than the formation itself is.

“The ‘off course’ criterion is the ontological. One needs to make two judgements along these different parameters. In particular, it is of fundamental importance not to confuse the person who may be ‘out of formation’ by telling him he is ‘off course’ if he is not. It is of fundamental importance not to make the positivist mistake of assuming that, because a group are ‘in formation,’ this means they are necessarily ‘on course.’ This is the Gadarene Swine Fallacy.

Understood, Geodesic.

WRT to the ‘Swine Fallacy’, would you say that all of HP are ‘off course’, or just the occasional poster?

I find using the comments of so called ‘fans’ of Galloways as a stick to beat him rather cheap….shall we apply this logic across the blogosphere? Maybe go and look at the first comment after Melanie Phillips piece on Sharia courts, where one of her most slaverous acolytes states that we should be paying Pakistanis and Somalis to ‘go home’…..

Mark T - I was referring to the commenters not the posters. There is often bullying and derision from the herd directed towards a lone voice of dissent. Sometimes that lone voice is actually an HP poster.

Occasionally the majority are “on course”, more often they are merely “in formation”.

I can tell this as I am “the ideal observer” with the ability to “divine precisely” the correct course :)

Bit of old folk wisdom coming up. ‘By their friends, ye shall know them’ or ‘Brids of a feather flock together’. Does that answer your question Mr latchford?

Only Extreme anti-Semitism + Iranian / Arab funding can produce this ranting. Perhaps the Arab / Iranian has either been greatly lessened or have been greatly increased.

“I find using the comments of so called ‘fans’ of Galloways as a stick to beat him rather cheap”

Hardly. That’s the gallery he plays to.

Sue, he thinks that saying ’so called’ and using scare quotes around ‘fans’ prove something, so I fear we are wasting our time trying to get through.

Debra Fink has done so many evil things that it is we who
should be ashamed that she is a ‘jew’….But is she?
I sometimes wonder whether she hasn’t converted to Islam
like that nutty Solomon woman.

And listening to Ghastly Galloway ranting on against Christians
and Jews (or, as he calls them, Zionists), as he defends,
praises and excuses the deadly threats and incitements made
by fundamentalist Moslems….whether he might have already
converted to Islam too.

I also read somewhere that when he was a young, he actually
demonstrated quite viciously with a similar-thinking mob, against Jewish institutions in Glasgow, Scotland. Does anyone have anything on that?

David Henshaw - I posted a link to this article/video on CIF.

My feeling is that you did very well and ‘punctuated’ his rants with appropriate comments. Your comment further up that he told ‘graciously’ you to ‘Fuck of’ must have indicated that he himself was not satisfied with his performance against you.

To tell you the truth, I am surprised that the video is available on-line at all as I would have assumed that some of the more sane persons in that organization must have been aware of its highly amusing content with Gorgeous George being the object of derision rather than the other way round.

I wonder that they didn’t supress it.

“faceless or brainless? Fucking hell, that’s a new one - I’ve not heard that before… no wait, I have - from every fucking idiot who thinks they can berate a name on a screen in the belief that it will affect the point. But then, the level of childish cuntery shown here would certainly support the lack of balls I alluded to in my first post.

I was banned from galloway’s fansite “couchtripper” for daring to say something against galloway.
i was immediately banned and the administrator (faceless) told me: “you don’t have freedom of speech here pal”