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That’s bloody horrible. Any links to organisations or funds that we can contribute to? What is best organisation to contribute money to?

You can donate via paypal. See:

http://iraqilgbtuk.blogspot.com/

As with all the other horrible crimes committed by the murderous Islamist so-called “resistance,” this one too will be blamed on the Americans / Imperialists / Zionists by the usual suspects. Wait and see.

Thanks mate.

Yet another appalling attack on LGBT people in lands where religious nutters hold sway.

I wouldn’t hold your breath waiting for the trots etc to condemn this act of murder.

As with all the other horrible crimes committed by the murderous Islamist so-called “resistance,” this one too will be blamed on the Americans / Imperialists / Zionists by the usual suspects. Wait and see.

I hear you loud and clear!

However, as far as I can tell most gays still think “Pope Betty” is the enemy to beat.

Read the comments at Tatchell’s CIF article and noticed how people were falling over themselves to point out how none of this had anything whatsoever to do with Islam.

That same crowd has spent decades denouncing Catholicism, while consistently claiming direct links, links that just don’t exist, between the Catholic theology and gay bashings.

But when it comes to Islamists screaming “god is great” and tracking and hunting down gays like rabbits, all the bien pensants claim that ’tis but a tiny minority of extremists misinterpreting a religion that really means ‘peace’.

How long before similar posses are operating in Amsterdam?

Remember, “Pope Betty” is the enemy, even though he, too, is in the jihadist’s crosshairs.

Western gays haven’t yet realised that their shallow and superfical ‘progressive’ champions have abandoned them in order to minister to a new congregation, a violent, homophobic, judeophobic and misogynistic congregation that fancies itself the “new Jews”, even as it goose-steps to the nearest mosque

John P. says it all. What more is there to say about the “blame western civilisation first” crowd?

Yes, helping fund the work of Iraqi LGBT is a positive response to this latest ghastly assassination.

There are two ways you can donate:

1) Online via PayPal direct to Iraqi LGBT:
http://iraqilgbtuk.blogspot.com/

2) Cheque via OutRage! As asylum seekers, Iraqi LGBT in the UK cannot open a bank account. They request that cheques should be made payable to “OutRage!”, with a cover note marked “For Iraqi LGBT”, and sent to OutRage!, PO Box 17816, London SW14 8WT, Engalnd, UK.

Has anyone actually blamed “Americans / Imperialists / Zionists” yet or are you all talking bollocks?

Can’t see much effort to install secular governments and constitutions in neither Iraq nor Afghanistan. Bush constantly touting Islam as religion of peace and that it’s some few extremists that give it a bad name. Sistani is merely echoing the mainstream Islamic view on LGBT people, how many Islamic mullahs etc is there who have a diverse view, probably like looking for a needle in a haystack.

The religious crowd always stick together against LGBT people or even worse evil secular atheists. The biggest issue with Iran is that it’s anti western and a foreign policy nuisance, want to have nukes and so forth, it’s not about Iran being an despicable theocratic regime that persecute it’s subjects with horrible religious dogma. It just fine to cooperate with them when it comes to common moral issues e.g. in the UN on how the poor and wretched of the world should be aided.

Few have done more to promote Islamism than American regimes, Carter/Brzezinski, Regan and so on and now Bush. Already in the 60’s the Americans did encourage Saudi to start international Islam conferences.

If anyone wants to read more about the “sexual cleansing” of gay people in Iraq, see my Guardian CIF article here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/25/iraq.humanrights

For more information on Iraqi LGBT or to make a donation by PayPal: http://iraqilgbtuk.blogspot.com/

If you prefer to donate via cheque: Iraqi LGBT don’t yet have a bank account. They request that cheques should be made payable to “OutRage!”, with a cover note marked “For Iraqi LGBT”, and sent to OutRage!, PO Box 17816, London SW14 8WT. We pass all funds to Iraqi LGBT, which are then discreetly wired to Baghdad.

I believe it already is happening in Holland and in east London (wasnt that on HP?), although I think thats less to do with Islam than with the modern global young angry man machismo cult that blends the worst elements of hip-hop’s cultural appendage with third world chippiness and radical Islam when it suits them, since Ive seen far more aggressive homophobia from black men than anyone else.

lasse - Few have done more to promote Islamism than American regimes, Carter/Brzezinski, Regan and so on and now Bush. Already in the 60’s the Americans did encourage Saudi to start international Islam conferences.

You see.

You just justified what Herman said - Has anyone actually blamed “Americans / Imperialists / Zionists” yet or are you all talking bollocks?

Bollocks my foot.

For people who want to read more about the “sexual cleansing” of gay people in Iraq, see my Guardian CIF article here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/25/iraq.humanrights

For more information on Iraqi LGBT or to make a donation by PayPal: http://iraqilgbtuk.blogspot.com/

If you prefer to donate via cheque: Iraqi LGBT don’t yet have a bank account. They request that cheques should be made payable to “OutRage!”, with a cover note marked “For Iraqi LGBT”, and sent to OutRage!, PO Box 17816, London SW14 8WT. We pass all funds to Iraqi LGBT, which are then discreetly wired to Baghdad.

Few have done more to promote Islamism than American regimes, Carter/Brzezinski, Regan and so on and now Bush. Already in the 60’s the Americans did encourage Saudi to start international Islam conferences.

You’re quite correct. But who will do anything about Saudi Arabia?

There’s actually been a kind of tripartite alliance between radical Islam, western cultural marxists AND successive western gov’ts.

America embarks upon a war with radical Islam, but then invites the two biggest disseminaters of radical Islam, S.A. and Pakistan, to be its allies. Successive american administrations have struck up friendships with the Saudis, and those officials are still active as ‘advisors’.

Successive groups of cultural Marxists have denounced and denigrated all things Christian, have removed all aspects of the religion from the public spere, in the interests of ’sacrosanct’ secularism, only to then turn around and promote the establishment, the accommodation and expansion of radical Islam into that same ’secular’ public sphere.

Gays, lesbians, women, Jews and to some extent Christians have all paid the price for this.

We now face growing legions ( see Sarajevo’s gay pride) of homophobic, christophobic, judeophobic fascists who have ingratiated themselves with clueless cultural marxists whom, it appears, cannot recognise the salient points of the ‘new nazism’, simply because its practioners are neither white nor of european background.

I want to say something important and something that is a credit to Peter Tatchell.

Years ago, back in 1994 I believe, he wrote an article called “The New Dark Age” in which he described radical Islam’s rise as the emerging threat to modernity and to democracy.

Today such as prescient article would be censored and its author denounced as an islamophobe.

“Has anyone actually blamed “Americans / Imperialists / Zionists” yet or are you all talking bollocks?”

You posted a split second too soon, Herman:

“Few have done more to promote Islamism than American regimes, Carter/Brzezinski, Regan and so on and now Bush. Already in the 60’s the Americans did encourage Saudi to start international Islam conferences.”

But as John points out, lasse, you’re not far off with this.

“America embarks upon a war with radical Islam, but then invites the two biggest disseminaters of radical Islam, S.A. and Pakistan, to be its allies. Successive american administrations have struck up friendships with the Saudis, and those officials are still active as ‘advisors’.”

SA as an ally goes way back. It’s the kind of alliance a crack whore has with her pimp/dealer. Don’t let those bsiness suits fools you; the Americans can only we were in charge of that particular alliance.

As for the Pakistanis, they happen to be in position in that theater. Of course it would have been better to be dealing with the Indians when it comes handling the AQ and the Taliban in the Pakhtun tribal areas, but there wasn’t time to arrange such big changes all at once. /irony off/ Same probably goes for cleaning out all the madrassas and maulanas in the country.

Peter Thatchell

Thank you for your consistent campaigning on this and having a conduit for donations to help.

Direct attacks not just on Gay and Lesbian people as individuals but the targeting of Lesbian and Gay human rights defenders and organisations is increasing in the region.

Iraq and Iran are the most immediately dangerous regimes for Gay people where even the limited social opportunities for socialising that did exist have been driven further underground.

Egypt had a brief period in the 90’s where Gay venues opened before being suppressed.

It appears that modernity is producing a greater cultural exposure to themes of homosexuality in the media and a greater reported visibility of Gay people is occuring in Lebanon, Turkey, Syria, Jordan and the Gulf states.

Alongside this however a reaction is being generated that is in part a traditionalist cultural opposition to what is seen as a threat to the normative Muslim institution of marriage and the family that a ‘gay’ lifestyle presents (rather than homosexual sex per se).

A more knowing social climate problematises and makes public homosexuality in a new way, that could be the basis for a growing tolerance arising out of a public discussion.

This will not happen in the prescence of a significant Islamist tendency however.

Islamists seem to be quite obsessed with condemning homosexuality and of course have a literalist Koranic call for the death penalty that grants no margin for tolerance (other than for Qaradawi on the most appropriate form of execution).

What is worrying is that direct assasinations of gay activists carried out by extremists seems to be ocurring alongside attacks on organisations as a politicaly motivated aspect of even supposedly moderate Islamism.

This year in Turkey has seen a surge of anti-gay activity.

On May 29th a court in Istanbul banned the Gay organisation Lambda in a move brought by the AKP Governer.

In July a Gay activist was assassinated in Broad daylight in circumstances that suggest a family ‘honour’ killing.

Many Gay refugees from Iran and Syria end up in Turkey where they are often denied refugee status.

The attempted closure of gay organisations and the denial of their status as legal organisations makes it even harder to help domestic and refugee victims of homophobic violence.

The violent blending of traditional conservativism on matters of sex and sexulaity with a modernist obsession with religious and sexual identity is central to the theo-politics of Islamism.

Muslim Gay men and Lesbians are a very easy target and are an increasingly vulnerable population not least within the UK where they face family and community hostility, Islamist threats of violence and comparative invisibility.

Excellent, John P.

Apologies for the multiple posts. They did not show up on the page after I posted them, so I kept trying.

OT but slightly related

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/sep/26/israelandthepalestinians.middleeast1

Thank you, Peter, for bringing this up

Islamists seem to be quite obsessed with condemning homosexuality

I could never be accused of being pro Islam but Judaism and Christianity are also obsessed with condemning homosexuality.

And Judaism is the real culprit. Unless you want to accuse the precursors to Judaism which I ‘believe’ were sun worshipers. Or perhaps animists.

I am horrified. What savagery. I do hope someone will commemorate the life of this man so that those who commit these actions will not win, ever.

Clap Hammer

I said Islamists not Islam and I said the obsession was one where;

‘Islamists seem to be quite obsessed with condemning homosexuality and of course have a literalist Koranic call for the death penalty that grants no margin for tolerance (other than for Qaradawi on the most appropriate form of execution).

Where are the contemporary Rabbis and Christian priests giving sermons on the details of the brutal death their followers must enact upon homosexuals for the glory of God?