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Kreisky also backed Waldheim didn’t he?

Oniad, yes he backed him at the beginning. Later he changed his mind. But he never condemned the explicit antisemitic election campaign of Kurt Waldheim in 1986.

Is there some way of blaming George Galloway?

@Benjamin@ what does G.G. have to do with Austrian elections?

the list “Die Linke” of antiimps and other “revolutionary” grouplets received 0,04% of the votes.

“one can speak almost about an antisemitic consensus. This is also the reason for no opposition to the recent deal between the ÖMV (which to a part belongs to the state) and Iran.”

So it is now “anti-semetic” to make deals with Iran?

What next? talking about Iran?

“one can speak almost about an antisemitic consensus. This is also the reason for no opposition to the recent deal between the ÖMV (whic

Flanker: So it is now “anti-semetic” to make deals with Iran?

Would you agree that Ahmadinejad is antisemitic? Yes or no?

“Would you agree that Ahmadinejad is antisemitic? Yes or no?”

I would rather agree with the fact that you people are crying wolf way too much.

haha you can’t answer a straight question, can you.

This is right up there with “Bush had his Reichstag burned”.

Can we not just delete this whole series of idiotic comments - they mar a really rather interesting post

“haha you can’t answer a straight question, can you.

This is right up there with “Bush had his Reichstag burned”.”

I love it I can’t believe I finally snarled the nonchalant even after my confession!!! dude read my “webpage”.

Dance puppets dance!! :D

You really are a nutter.

No mention of the EU, of course. No mention of the fact that patriotism is a legitimate and basic emotion for most human beings, and that suppressing it by amalgamating countries into the European superstate will force voters to turn to extremes.

I’ve seen the future, and it’s Austrian. That is where our current sort of one-party politics by another name leads.

Expect the BNP to win a European seat in every English region except the North East, and even that is only because we have a mere three seats to fill. That’s eight in all.

At least. In more than one region, they are looking at more than one seat.

Ven, I think we should. I quite like Flanker being unprepared to state whether Ahmedinejad is an anti-semite or not, but it probably ought to go.

Still, I’ll give it a little go, before deleting.

Flanker: yes or no. In your opinion, is Ahmadinejad an anti-semite or not?

An interesting post about a very worrying development.

Karl, what is your reaction to the following? I understand that some months ago the SPÖ Prime Minister adopted an extreme anti-immigrant stance, in effect trying to outflank the extreme right wing. The idea was, I understand, to take the wind out of their sails, but the (fairly predictable) reality is that all this legitimised the extreme-right discourse and made voting for semi-fascist wingnuts more respectable.

Which just shows again (if another proof was needed) that the only real stance against rascism, xenophobia, anti-Semitism, fascism, …, is a principled one. Don’t compromise, don’t be expedient, don’t be equivocal, don’t “take the wind off their sails”, just oppose them. Always.

Oh WTF just because I am in a good mood I ambushed you at last.

“Flanker: yes or no. In your opinion, is Ahmadinejad an anti-semite or not?”

In my opinion, no.

>xenophobic incitement “Austria to the Austrians”, “Stop overforeignisation” and “Stop the abuse of asylum”.

Why is this Xeonphobic?

I am sure that if you asked more Brits if they agree with these statements, the vast majority will agree that this is what we need for the UK

I don’t see why this should be seen as far-right.

Its certainly less extreem than the Marxist ideals promoted by many on the Left.

s.o.muffin
The main supporters are anti-semitism in the UK are Socialist, and their friends the Islamist. I can’t remember a single Conservative supporting this or even associating with anti-semites. Those on the Left are so used to being in bed with Islamist vermin, they’ve moved in together and have a discount on their council tax.

Of course the fact, that during the last decades a lot of foreigners came to Austria is not entirely unproblematic. The left has denied that a problem exists and thus could the extreme right propose its very simple and popular answers to a complex situation.

What an understatement.

There was not enough voiced opposition to racist and xenophobic incitement.

Your conclusion doesn’t make sense.

Perhaps it’s a case of not voicing enough opposition, on the part of centrists, to outlandish, Far Left immigration policies.

The party’s over, and any futher attempts to shoe-horn more third-worlders down Europe’s throat are going to be met with a lot of opposition.

A desire to maintain your culture, sentiments of patriotism and basic pride in your identity are not xenophobia. Doubly so when so many immigrants are from a community that has shown Europe nothing but hostility for centuries. How many attacks has Europe endured from those whose rejection on the part of native europeans nowadays is now ‘xenophobic’.

Is the rejction of the French language by the Iroquois xenophobic?

Vienna is in Austria, is it not?

But Tours isn’t.

Immigration is a taboo subject because it provides cheap labour for many employers ( or so the idiots think) and that taboo now serves as the petrie-dish for Far Right groups.

No one on the left will talk about immigration, and it is that silence that has allowed extremists to hog the stage.

And people simply aren’t interested in ‘global’ challenges or supranational entities like the EU anymore.

What can I say? People are free to reject globalisation or membership in organisations they don’t feel reflect their aspirations.

Or are they?

When you no longer have a say in who enters your ‘home’ (a basic right), and when you’re forced into associations over which you have no vote ( a basic right), is it any wonder people are drifitng to the extemists?

Your description of the symptoms is spot-on, but your list of causes is way off the mark.

Whether or not Ahmadinejad is an antisemite, he not very different from many Iranian politicians, and he is not the main man; the Supreme Leader is. Ali Khamenei has been in power since 1989, and the US know him well by now.

It’s only recently that some folk have got particularly upset about Ahmadinejad - ostensibly because of some rather over the top statements on his part. However, the nuclear issues seem a real focus - although both the IAEA and the National Intellegence Estimate have poured cold water on those fears.

What is remains? Human rights, and shouty statements - both of which have been ongoing issues with Iran for many, many years.

“ostensibly because of some rather over the top statements on his part”

i.e.

1. The Holocaust didn’t happen. Jews made it up.

2. But hey, let’s make it happen now, for real

3. Please can we have a peaceful civilian nuclear programme. PS have you seen our ace new long range missiles

Don’t compromise, don’t be expedient, don’t be equivocal, don’t “take the wind off their sails”, just oppose them.

Yeah, tell that to certain British politicians.

Benji

If you feel the impusle to be silly in this thread, please try to resist it.

David T

Politicians have been saying these things in Iran for yonks, its almost a national sport. The CIA has been monitoring these outbursts for many, many years. Having a bark worse than your bite - this very much applies to Iran.

Iran, of course, has every right to pursue a civilian nuclear programme under the NPT; the question is can it do while guaranteeing its free from nuclear weapons. That is the key issue.

How come the Left jumps up and down when a few BNP members manage to get elected as councillors, or get some votes in Austria.

But when Islamists in the UK regulalry spout anti-semitism enough to make a Nazi blush, little is said.

Is it ok here, but not abroad?

Iran’s policy appears to be the mirror image of mutually assured destruction. Rather than “use yours and we’ll use ours”, it is “look at us, we’re mad enough to use ours… look! the 12th Iman!!!”

I am not commenting Flanker. He has an opinion not only on Israel/Palestinians but on Austria as well despite the fact, that he does not have a clue.
David Lindsay is very pessimistic. Because the voters of the extreme right will be disappointed by the two parties. The extreme right has no solutions. So the pendulum is going to swing away again.
I just cannot imagine that BNP could really achieve 29% of Britiish votes. After all most British families have somebody who fought the Nazis. Here most families have somebody who fought for the Nazis.

Well David, if in the pretty awful scenario that Iran gets nukes, I think they will have a conventional attitude to them. That will be bad enough through, and add danger to the region. It’s really quite important that Iran does not get nukes. It was therefore good to learn that, according to the two authorities I previously mentioned, they are pretty far from getting nukes; moreover, they are engaged in the NPT process.

I can’t remember a single Conservative supporting this or even associating with anti-semites.

Too young to remember the Monday Club, I suppose.

I think it was Ian Duncan Smith who had to expel at least one member of the Conservative Party for either being in or supporting the BNP.

Karl,

Sorry, but I haven’t been following events in Austria as much as I used to, and I have some very fond memories of Wien, are you suggesting that there is virtually no opposition to xenophobia and antisemitism in the Austrian mainstream?

ain’t the various anti-racist groups pushing against that swing to the Far Right?

Austria gets its gas supplies from Iran, but what other choice do they have?

We’re discouraging Russia from supplying Europe and discouraging european countries from approaching Russia about energy needs, and so were do you go?

The mullahs in Iran are dangerous and insane, but are they any worse than Saudi clerics funding Madrassas and Mosques world-wide with OUR petrol dollars?

As we speak pipelines from the Mid-East are being proposed and those from Russia rejected.

I just cannot imagine that BNP could really achieve 29% of Britiish votes. After all most British families have somebody who fought the Nazis. Here most families have somebody who fought for the Nazis.

Were I in Vienna, I’d rest my feet on an ottoman, nibble a croissant and think about that.

Well David, if in the pretty awful scenario that Iran gets nukes, I think they will have a conventional attitude to them.

Don’t bet your house on it. (Although I note that it is more relevant to bet the lives of 7 million Israelis and probably a couple of million Palestinians.)

In a natural order of things, Iran will probably not initiate nuclear Armageddon. But things in the Middle East aren’t always in a natural order. One can easily imagine a crisis escalating to the point when the Mullahs will be mad enough to follow their worst instincts – and in this they will be much, much quicker on the button than Americans, Soviets, Israelis etc. And one can equally imagine things in Iran itself heating up, the theocracy besieged by population and under existential threat – thereby escalating matter vis-á-vis Israel, up to and inclusive of a nuclear strike, because they have nothing to lose and/or believe that a crisis will save their hold on power.

It is easy to gamble on other people’s lives from Hong Kong. If you are wrong then what? You’ll shrug your shoulders?

SO Muffin

You seem to have forgotten what else I said: that it will add danger to the region. Like you intimate, the danger is difficult to quantify. I then said: It’s really quite important that Iran does not get nukes.

S.O. Muffin I share your opinion. And yes the SPÖ was scared to loose voters, if they did not making a law which is very restrictive about emigration.The SPÖ is reaping the fruits of its policy.
Part of the problem is, that the Austrian policy was, not to have a policy on emigration. The extreme right wing solution to the problems is not only antihuman it is also not practicable. But the main problem is not one of foreigners but one of the Austrian society, because we have about 7% foreigners in Austria. You cannot solve this problem by excluding them. The leader of FPÖ wants to have two kind of social insurances. A crazy idea, which would only duplicate our bureaucracy.
Of course there are Austrians fighting racism and antisemitism. I mentioned the GREEN party which has a principled stand on this matter. But there are also NGOs and organisations which do.
Now by mentioning the fact, that most Austrians had somebody in their family who fought for the Nazis I do not imply that most Austrians have sympathy for Nazism or for the extreme rightist.

thanks Karl, very informative :)

Karl, great post.

Iran, of course, has every right to pursue a civilian nuclear programme under the NPT; the question is can it do while guaranteeing its free from nuclear weapons. That is the key issue.

No, Benji, they can’t.

Austria gets its gas supplies from Iran, but what other choice do they have?

We’re discouraging Russia from supplying Europe and discouraging european countries from approaching Russia about energy needs, and so were do you go?

Were I in Vienna, I’d rest my feet on an ottoman, nibble a croissant and think about that.

Which is why many of the victims of Austrian racism are Africans, Poles, Roma, Serbs, Romanians, Indians etc. You might like to find something out a bit about racism in Austriahere.

As for going cap in hand to Russia, here’s something from the Associated Press: “Hate crimes in Russia have grown increasingly brutal and deadly but authorities do little to combat xenophobia, one of the country’s leading rights groups said Tuesday. Last year, 67 people were killed and more than 550 injured across Russia in ethnically motivated attacks, a 13 percent increase on the previous year, according to the annual report by Russia’s SOVA rights center, which monitors hate crimes.”

Victims of racist murders in Russia include Jews, Roma, Chechens, Armenians and Georgians. In comparison, Austria last had a racist murder in 2003.

hasan prishtina
2 October 2008, 7:17 pm

thank you for your post and the link to Zara. One of the organisations fighting racism.
Just today a report in Austrian papers shed light on racism in Austria against Austrians. The building worker and football sportsman Adis Besic (21) visited last weekend a Disco in Linz. He was manhandled and killed when on Sunday morning he left the Disco. The police has arrested on Tuesday five young men in the agegroup 17-20. Three have confessed part of the crime. Four are Bosniaks and one is a Slovak citizen a gang which looked for trouble. They waited for somebody to attack. After a few words exchanged he was killed. According to the police one of the suspected Bosniaks said about the victim: “We thought that the type is an Austrian, because he spoke such a good German, because we hate Austrians. Had we known that he is too a Bosniak, we had searched for a different victim” The five who had knives and knuckle dusters remain in custody.

Can we simply ignore Benji and Flanker? Not even to find spelling mistakes in their posts.

Why is this Xeonphobic?

Because it’s from a party and ethos which excludes Jews and Gypsies as Austrian.

TT

I am sure that if you asked more Brits if they agree with these statements, the vast majority will agree that this is what we need for the UK

And if you asked a few more they’d ask you for verification before associating them with biological racists.

But when Islamists in the UK regulalry spout anti-semitism enough to make a Nazi blush, little is said.

You don’t see the paradox in saying this on HP, do you?

“Iran, of course, has every right to pursue a civilian nuclear programme under the NPT”

Why has an oppressive, theocratic dictatorship which officially persecutes women, gays and religious and ethic minorities any right to nuclear development?

As for going cap in hand to Russia, here’s something from the Associated Press: “Hate crimes in Russia have grown increasingly

You’re a ‘good’ islamist Hasan, and so it’s not surprising you’d prefer Austria stick to Iranian gas rather than buying it from Russia.

Were Austria and the rest of Europe to do so, your mosques and madrassas would deflate from a dearth of revenues, now wouldn’t they?

Russia is a human rights paradise compared to most of the Islamic world.

“We thought that the type is an Austrian, because he spoke such a good German, because we hate Austrians.

Racial attacks in which immigrants attack native Europeans are becomming more and more common.

I predict they’ll soon be the norm.

Victims of racist murders in Russia include Jews,

No one murders Jews better than an Islamist, Hasan.

And after the kidnapping and murder of children, some as young as 3, in Beslan several years ago, no one gives a damn about Chechnya.

The extreme right wing solution to the problems is not only antihuman it is also not practicable. But the main problem is not one of foreigners but one of the Austrian society, because we have about 7% foreigners in Austria.

But it is mass, uncontrolled immigration itself that is ultimately impracticable.

And why is the refusal to cede your place to a bunch of unwanted foreigners considered a ‘probleme’ of Austrian society?

It is a normal and understandable human reaction.

Why is it that only western societies have the burden of welcoming immigration, many of whom are more settlers, from cultures and religions that have nothing to do with Europe and which have proven themselves permenantly hostile to Europe?

And when such foolish and dead-end policies are exposed to the light of day, why are those exposing such stupidity then labelled ‘racist’?

What is to be gained by throwing mutually hostile cultures together only to then lament and agonise over the inevitable conflict that results?

I cannot think of a single example anywhere in human history where mass migrations haven’t ended in disaster.

John P you are really mistaken to write “I cannot think of a single example anywhere in human history where mass migrations haven’t ended in disaster.”
There was a mass migration to the United States and it ended not in disaster but made the USA stronger and richer. In the years after 1990 more than one million Jews and Non-Jews migrated to Israel and the great majority is well integrated.
An unrestricted migration to Europe could lead to the disaster.

FlanKKKer so you are a bloody nazi Shut up and f… off.

David T. I think this is the limit. Just delete Flanker and do not let him post.

Here in Austria Nazis like yourself who publish such rubbish are punished.
Your Kamerad David Irving was punished and I saw him in court, how he cringed and behaved like the coward he is.

Karl, this is fake Flanker, I think. Not that real Flanker, or at least the one the likes of me and Graham assume to be the real Flanker, is any less of a reactionary scumbag.

There was a mass migration to the United States and it ended not in disaster but made the USA stronger and richer

Er…have you talked to any Native Americans about this?

In the years after 1990 more than one million Jews and Non-Jews migrated to Israel and the great majority is well integrated.

Exactly, but both these one million Jews and non-Jews are from compatible cultures, and so their integration into Israeli society was smooth and seamless.

Immigration to Canada in the first 20 years after WWII was a boon to everything, but those immigrants came mostly from Europe and were integrated within a generation.

Immigration today is far, far different and presents intractable and costly problemes of integration, problemes that risk bringing down the entire edifice.

The type of Immigration that once built societies is gone for good, and it’s been replaced with cheap-labour migrants who drive down wages and who aid, therefore, the transfer of wealth from working people to the upper classes.

Any social costs involved… criminality, overtaxed infrastructures and transportation networks, overburdened healthcare and schooling systemse…these costs are all borne by ordinary people who are fast reaching the point of exasperation.

Er…have you talked to any Native Americans about this?

Do the ones in Canada have a different opinion? If you’re being like this, this is a description of every population movement in the whole of human history. Furthermore, I think about 10% of modern Americans have Indian ancestry.

Do the ones in Canada have a different opinion? If you’re being like this, this is a description of every population movement in the whole of human history.

If I’m being like what?

The arrival of massive numbers of Europeans on N. American soil spelled the end for Native Americans.

Every mass migration movement in human history has ended in disaster.

The current population movements into Europe will be no different. The continent is being assailed by people fleeing failed states and a failed civilisation. Many are arriving not as ‘immigrants’, but as settlers, fully intending to keep their culture and religion, and to do so without compromise.

Furthermore, I think about 10% of modern Americans have Indian ancestry.

Some comfort.

So we should applaud the fact that in only a century or so 10% of modern ‘europeans’ will actually have some european ancestry?

Committing cultural suicide is quite the way to prove one’s credentials as an anti-fascist and anti-racist campaigner.

If I’m being like what?

Jeremiah. One factor preventing Europeans going to way you predict is the military hardware and political control still in their hands, or certain groups within their population. There is also the demographics. Much as you and the godless-one Morgoth will prattle on about one billion Muslims itching to fall upon Europe, they ain’t.

Two centuries ago, the population of what was to be incorporated into the USA (excluding the French and Spanish zones) would have been one million, unlikely much more. They succumbed to far larger, much more technologically advanced society. Where is the comparable threat to Europe?

Or, is your next trick the Yellow Peril?

Some comfort.

Says whom? Francis Pryor who believes in genetic ownership of land which will be polluted by foreign blood, so must be actively denied to maintain the ‘right’ of modern British to their land (just one example, the male line in the Orkney Islands is almost exclusively Scandinavian; whilst the female line is as it was 1,200 years ago).

Who are you, and what have you done with the real John P who exhorts us to put our faith in the Church and an eschatology which transcends race and volkish nationalism?

You’re a ‘good’ islamist Hasan, and so it’s not surprising you’d prefer Austria stick to Iranian gas rather than buying it from Russia.

In the spirit of the season, shana tova um’tukah.

Were Austria and the rest of Europe to do so, your mosques and madrassas would deflate from a dearth of revenues, now wouldn’t they?

As I don’t belong to a mosque, and have never been inside a madrasah, I wouldn’t know.

No one murders Jews better than an Islamist, Hasan.

I rather think no-one murders Jews ‘better’ than your friends at stormfront.org [Warning: offensive content] Your comment about the assault of native Europeans fits in quite nicely there. You’ll be happy to get away from the non-Aryan vermin at HP.

You fail to do justice to Russia’s long history and proud tradition of anti-semitism, now rejuvenated in Putin’s Russia. Much of the Ashkenazic population of North America and Israel owes its survival to having fled the murder and tyranny of the Tsars.

And after the kidnapping and murder of children, some as young as 3, in Beslan several years ago, no one gives a damn about Chechnya.

Perhaps Human Rights Watch and other people who have any compassion for their fellow human beings. It is very revealing that someone who claims to be a Catholic believes that it is ‘no one gives a damn’ about murdering someone because of their ethnicity.

I cannot think of a single example anywhere in human history where mass migrations haven’t ended in disaster.

Does that include the migration of the Slavs south of the Danube? Or to North America?

The type of Immigration that once built societies is gone for good, and it’s been replaced with cheap-labour migrants who drive down wages and who aid, therefore, the transfer of wealth from working people to the upper classes.

Funny, that’s just what they said about the Jews in Britain when they passed the Aliens Act in 1905.

There are times when I believe you are a honourable person, JP. But now I can see you really have no more decency or menschlikhkeit than Flanker.

We’re discouraging Russia from supplying Europe and discouraging european countries from approaching Russia about energy needs, and so were do you go?

Have you told Atomstroyexport that they are failing in the Russian mission you so bravely salute here?

Oh, holy war, and look who’s playing!

They succumbed to far larger, much more technologically advanced society. Where is the comparable threat to Europe?

It’s in the demographics, Alec. Technologically backward cultures with high birthrates have often taken over more advanced ones with lower numbers of children.

The Franks, Saxons, Angles, Vandals, Goths and Ostrogoths overtaking the faltering demographic of the late Roman empire spring to mind.

Who are you, and what have you done with the real John P who exhorts us to put our faith in the Church and an eschatology which transcends race and volkish nationalism?

Still here. I eschew volkish nationalism, Alec, but doing so does not mean I must embrace cultural suicide with its calls for ‘reasonable’ censorship and its apologetics for violence and intimidation.

Nor do I see the universality of The West’s enlightment values as a form of racism or cultural imperialism when applied to members of non-western cultures.

Mr Pfeifer is not making any such suggestions here, of course, but more and more leftists are these days.

Yes, these results are worrying, but I agree with those here who suggest that they are in part a consequence of the elite politics which has allowed mass immigration and a feeling of powerlessness among large swathes of the population.

I think the example of Switzerland next door. There people can influence the level of immigration through the referendum process and I think it has helped contain the influence of the nationalistic right.

David Lindsay is dreaming if he thinks the BNP are going to win any EU seats.

David Lindsay is dreaming if he thinks the BNP are going to win any EU seats.

That sentence also works if it stops after the first four words.

Maybe Europeans are just organically fascist? This wouldnt be the first time fascist parties have been voted into power in Europe. What were the root causes then?

Who is more hopeless and helpless, your average Austrian or your average Egyptian?

Black voter. You are wrong. There is nothing in the Genes of Europeans which determine their political stand.
I do not see Europeans voting extreme right parties into power. In Germany no such party sits in the Bundestag (parliament).
But of course nobody can say what would happen, if we would have again a world economic crisis.
you cannot compare Egypt with Austria which is the fourth richest country in the EU and has a very low rate of unemployment.
And despite that we have 29% votes for the extreme right.
Most Egyptians are poor, many are analphabets and there is religious fanatism rampant - see the attitude to the copts. We have despite occasional violence no such disturbances in Austria.

Alec Macpherson - “One factor preventing Europeans going to way you predict is the military hardware and political control still in their hands, or certain groups within their population. There is also the demographics. Much as you and the godless-one Morgoth will prattle on about one billion Muslims itching to fall upon Europe, they ain’t.”

The military hardware is an interesting question. What Israel has shown is that conventional hardware does not work. A State bound by law and by human rights cannot cope with Islamist terrorism except by a big Wall. Europe does not even have much hardware. The whole of Europe could probably deploy 40,000 soldiers if they tried. The rest are doing make-work. So Syria does not have much of a terror problem and we do. Demographically Europe is in steep decline. And clearly 1 billion Muslims would happily move to Europe tomorrow if they could - and their State’s voting records at the UN as well as popular support for anti-Western terrorism in much of the Muslim world suggests they really do hate us and I would hate to think what would happen if we were in their power.

“Where is the comparable threat to Europe?”

The Goths. The Romans could cope with individual Germans crossing the border and settling. But once they started to retain their own social structures in Europe - and Roman demography was in decline - Rome was doomed. The Muslims in Europe are being treated like the Goths. They are not only not being assimilated (younger Muslims hate us more than older ones) but they are being encouraged to keep their own laws and need I mention Sharia?

That is not to say he is right, but it is clear we have a problem and he is not entirely wrong.

Silliest comment of all, from john p. ” i cannot think of a single example anywhere in human history where mass migrations haven’t ended in disaster “.
Hard to find anything sillier, except maybe flanker on ahmadinejad.

Wasn’t Kreisky jewish?

How do you account for the fact that
1. he was so easy going with former Nazis?
2. he was very anti-Israel?

W
1) Kreisky left the Jewish community early in his life but did not deny that he was born into a Jewish family, but insisted on it to tell people that he emigrated to Sweden out of political reasons. This of course is only partly true, because many of his “aryan” comrades did not emigrate and not many non Jewish socialists left Austria after the Anschluss.
2) It was political calculation. He knew that in a country where antisemitism was almost consensus, by befriending former Nazis he would show, that he is a “real Austrian”. His aim was to damage the conservative people party ÖVP and with the help of the extreme right the socialist party achieved it. Of course ÖVP had also its fair share in this.
3) Kreisky frequent antisemitic and also antiisraeli outbursts were excused with is Jewish descent . He knew that in Austria this could not damage him. And while his politics was very pragmatic and pro-capitalistic, he trew the bone of antizionism to the young leftwing socialists, many of whom chew on this old bone until now.

Does that include the migration of the Slavs south of the Danube? Or to North America?

Of course!

The rest of your comment is just just vulgar slander as usual, Hasan.

I’ll just repeat the comment I made above in the hope someone will respond with a sensible answer

Immigration today is far, far different and presents intractable and costly problemes of integration, problemes that risk bringing down the entire edifice.

The type of Immigration that once built societies is gone for good, and it’s been replaced with cheap-labour migrants who drive down wages and who aid, therefore, the transfer of wealth from working people to the upper classes.

Any social costs involved… criminality, overtaxed infrastructures and transportation networks, overburdened healthcare and schooling systemse…these costs are all borne by ordinary people who are fast reaching the point of exasperation.

Any serious thoughts on this vulgar monetary scam?

Or will everyone just scream ‘racist!’?

Demographically Europe is in steep decline. And clearly 1 billion Muslims would happily move to Europe tomorrow if they could - and their State’s voting records at the UN as well as popular support for anti-Western terrorism in much of the Muslim world suggests they really do hate us and I would hate to think what would happen if we were in their power.

Well, I’ve read numerous accounts by very reilable sources detailing what happens when you’ve been pinned to the mat by Islam. Countless millions either slaughtered or enslaved, their homes, property, wealth and everything else confiscated.

The probleme with europeans is their arrogance. They think they are permenant and utterly safe from demise. Many people have thought that.

Think about the history of the past 14 centuries. Huge vibrant cities ( some with over a million inhabitants) in Egypt, N. Africa, The Levant and Byzantium confiscated, their inhabitants murdered/exiled and the demographic, cultural and religious characteristics irrevocably changed, and this for the worse.

Antioch, Alexandia, Hippo, Damascus, Smyrna and Constantinople all emptied of their original inhabitants.

Those who think the same can’t happen to London, Paris, Rome Madrid and Berlin are irretrievably stuck in some 60s-inspired, anti-fascist wet-dream.

Silliest comment of all, from john p. ” i cannot think of a single example anywhere in human history where mass migrations haven’t ended in disaster “.

Ever read a history book?

John P. I try to understand your fear. But it is a bit irrational.
I guess there are a lot of possibilities between “some 60-inspired, antifascist wet-dream” and the scenario you describe.

What is interesting. I wrote a note about the Austrian election and here some posters try to suggest, that Austria is part of the Middle East.
Austria is an European country. And one can observe a phenomenon similar to the UK. The govt. likes to have a dialogue with the most extreme political islamists who - close to the Moslem Brotherhood - have learned to disguise themselves and like to appear as moderate antiracists.
I believe, one should do everything to integrate those who are ready to be integrated. Those who try to make a living from our social security should not be made welcome independently of course from their religion and nationality.
The best way is the one in the middle. No understanding for political islam, for Jihadists and fundamentalists but a lot of understanding, help and respect for those who want to respect European laws and customs. The right extremists live on hatred and on exclusion. Such a course is selfdefeating. If we would have no foreigners in Austria, some of our hospitals would close down, and of course many of our restaurants.
The belief that by expelling foreigners unemployed citizens would get a job is silly. Does somebody really think, that a steelworker in Styria will get a job, because a Turkish dishwasher in Vienna is expelled?

The rest of your comment is just just vulgar slander as usual, Hasan.

As if you would never stoop to slandering someone by, hmm, repeatedly calling them an Islamist without the slightest scrap of evidence?

How about answering the points put to you? That Holy Mother Russia is not and never has been a haven for Jews but rather the originator of the Protocols and much worse, not the bastion against Islam but the military and political partner of Iran, Saudi Arabia etc.

The probleme with europeans is their arrogance. They think they are permenant and utterly safe from demise. Many people have thought that.

2008: Austria’s swamped with non-Europeans, especially Muslims.

1908: Austria’s swamped with non-Europeans, namely Ostjuden.

On connaît la chanson.

Think about the history of the past 14 centuries. Huge vibrant cities ( some with over a million inhabitants) in Egypt, N. Africa, The Levant and Byzantium confiscated, their inhabitants murdered/exiled and the demographic, cultural and religious characteristics irrevocably changed, and this for the worse.

Exactly the same case can be made for the ten centuries before that.

That Holy Mother Russia is not and never has been a haven for Jews but rather the originator of the Protocols and much worse, not the bastion against Islam but the military and political partner of Iran, Saudi Arabia etc.

I don’t give shit about ‘holy’ mother Russia, Hasan.

What is your point? That Muslims are the new ‘Jews’….or some such?

Appears that way, and so appears you’re on G.Galloway’s wavelength and just as stupid.

Muslims aren’t fleeing oppression, they DO the oppression. See current history of Mid-East Christians and Jews for details

And as for deals with the Saudis? How much they payin’ ya?

No more time! Tootles!

Hasan is right, JP — you seem never to read his posts, just react instinctively to the fantasies you have about his name.

The BNP took a seat on the Greater London Assembly. They only need one ninth of the votes cast (not the eligible vote, the votes cast) to get a Strasbourg seat there in June. Same in the North West. A mere one tenth in the South East. And so on.

Their supporters are far more likely to vote, because they are angrier people. UKIP is imploding, and in any case its electorate now cares more about immigration than about Europe, and far more than was the case at the last European Elections.

Those of you who doubt that this is going to happen need to get out more. The chattering classes are not the social norm. Thanks to the complacency of those who set the agenda in this country, the BNP is home and dry in eight out of nine English regions, and well on course for two seats in at least three of them.

I don’t give shit about ‘holy’ mother Russia, Hasan.

Then why bring it up? And so often?

What is your point? That Muslims are the new ‘Jews’….or some such?

Had you bothered to read my first post, you would have learned that many of the victims of racial attacks in Austria aren’t Muslim. I am concerned for those that suffer racism, be they Jewish, Chinese, Turkish…or even Polish.

Muslims aren’t fleeing oppression, they DO the oppression.

All Muslims? Everywhere? Read the Human Rights Watch site I linked to in that post you didn’t read. Oh, I forgot. That would involve having compassion for people from different backgrounds from yours.

And as for deals with the Saudis?

Well, you could start here.

Please stop going on about Islam and Muslims. Most Muslims are as against Islamist extremism as you are. You have to change your attitude about Muslims. Your hatred towards them is a terrible illness you’ll soon need serious medical treatment for.

Be a mensh and look at the difference between extremists and ordinary people. Once you do that you’ll feel better, I promise you.

Sorry, John P, I mistakenly put your name up in place of mine, when I meant to put your name at the top of my comments (above). Oh well…

Yes, I didn’t think that sounded much like JP! Far too reasonable…..

People seem to forget I’m Austrian, many of my most important colleagues were also Austrian, and that most of my fellow Austrians lined up the streets to salute my invading army during the start of the Anschluss.

Why would you expect my people to change after a mere 70 years? After all, you told them after WW2 that they were the victims, rather than active perpetrators and collaborators of my policies!

I think the Austrians are truly lovely people.

This is all a horrible mistake, and I’m sure the neocons and Yanks are all behind it.

ps Let’s not forget that Hitler wasn’t so bad. He was after all a nationalist and a socialist, just like my hero, Hugo.

A. Hitler and Flanker, both of you are ignorants. One should not try out an irony where people could misunderstand it as serious postings.
As much as I dislike Hugo Chavez, he is not Hitler and this should not be insinuated even not in an ironic postings.
There are no “The Austrians”. Many things have changed. National-Socialism was beaten by the Allied and Austria has democratic structures, division of power, elections, freedom of speech, of religion.
The present situation is the result of a mistaken policy and not of the Genes of Austrians.
So lets not try to ridicule and essentialise Austrians. Same goes of course for Jews, Britons etc.

“The present situation is the result of a mistaken policy and not of the Genes of Austrians”

Who said anything about it being in the “genes”?

The sad irony here is that “racial theory” - a long discredited pseudo-science - comes from Austria. Let’s not forget how hugely popular the Nazi party was there before and after the German invasion and annexation of Austria into the Reich.

Say what you like about the Austrians, many may be really decent people, but when, as you yourself have stated, a very wealth little country has over 30% of its population voting for Neo-Nazi parties, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to see there is something seriously fucking wrong with Austrian society and the values Austrian kids are raised with.

“So lets not try to ridicule and essentialise Austrians. Same goes of course for Jews, Britons etc.”

No. That platitude doesn’t wash here.

Karl, are you by any chance the Austrian journalist who often goes by the name of Bruno?