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Well, if Palin is ripe for satire, Hannity is beyond it.

Doesn’t seem to be a problem as most Jew haters and truthers are on the Dem side.

Obamese to English Dictionary:

Sliming- Telling the truth about Obama’s past. Particular those parts which he doesn’t want discussed.

Selective slimming? Sounds like a New Labour initiative to improve national fitness.

Reading some of the comments on the threads below, many posters here see Obama as the satanic love child of Hitler, Charles Manson and Sayyid Qutb and the democrats as a sort of later day KKK.

If they could just admit they’re a teeny bit scared of a black man becoming president, they’d feel a whole lot better.

Sliming/Vetting, what’s the difference? Oh yeah “Sliming” is telling the truth about corrupt empty suits with personality cults, wheras “Vetting” is what hysterical maniacs like Gene and Andrew Sullivan do about successful governors.

Yes, I heard Obama once met a man who knew someone who had heard a rumour that someone they had once given a lift to walked along the same street as a Marxist, maybe. A nd did you hjear that Obama is secretly a Menonite? It’s true, just look at his school records - when was the last time you saw him wearing buttons, huh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFjDzppnZ-8

It really has come to something when Bill Clinton is the honest conscience of the Democratic Party.

In the land of braindead personality cultists the serial sexual harasser is king. Or something.

Yes, G., you’re right - Obama is a terrorist, he’s just running for president to blow up the Whitehouse and then sell the ruins to Osama bin Laden. then he’s going to round up all the whitefolk and exterminate them, that’s what I heard the feller down the street say he’d heard a drunk in a bar listening to a radio hear…

Given the McCain camp has done a first class job of trashing its own brand and campaign

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

then none of this should come as any surprise.

Reading some of the comments on the threads below, many posters here see Obama as the satanic love child of Hitler, Charles Manson and Sayyid Qutb and the democrats as a sort of later day KKK.

If they could just admit they’re a teeny bit scared of a black man becoming president, they’d feel a whole lot better.

Bollocks!

Obama is a Marxist, a racist (or incredibly stupid seeing as he attended Jeremiah Wright’s church for 20 years!) the fact that he’s also mixed-race is utterly irrelevant. There is no way he should be POTUS. He is totally wrong on so many levels. What the fuck is a “Community Organiser” anyway? Why did he attend a black-supremacist church, does “The Audacity of Hope” mean anything in English? What was he doing hanging with the Weather Underground? Does saying “change” or “hope” every effing sentence qualify you for the most powerful elected position in history?

There are many, many reasons to dislike Obama which have nix to do with the colour of his skin.

How David do you think many of the same Republicans who now support McCain a few years back practically begged Colin Powell to throw his hat in the ring? Are they only racist against black democrats? Is General Powell a tame house negro? Please explain otherwise I will have to conclude it’s Obama’s policies and character and background that some folk have a problem with and not the fact he’s a “person of colour”.

Gene, you are becoming more shrill and unhinged every week. Obama has a clear and well documented association with a terrorist. That this says something about Obama’s suitability to be president is not a slime but rather a statement of fact.

I’ve noticed that so far, none of the Obama-bashers seems troubled by the Jew-hating Obama slimer who appeared on Hannity’s program.

I don’t think that Republicans are worried that Obama knew a terrorist. I think they’re more upset that he knew a university professor!

Nick M - more looney tune smears - Obama is not a Marxist, he doesn’t hang with the Weathermen and like many politicians around the world he uses simple soundbites and easily remembered catch phrases while running for office.

Further, I didn’t say that the Republicans were racist. I said, that reading the comments of people posting on this site led me to think ‘they were a teeny bit scared of a black man’.

Your post confirms this view.

“I’ve noticed that so far, none of the Obama-bashers seems troubled by the Jew-hating Obama slimer who appeared on Hannity’s program.”

Bad Sean Hannity. Having someone like Corsi on his show makes him almost as bad as Obama working with an unrepentant terrorist for a decade.

So now can you say whether you are troubled by Obama’s friendship with Ayers?

The greens outdo even the GOP by having an out and out Looney as their presidential candidate
http://redstarcommando.blogspot.com/2008/10/i-didnt-know-there-was-competition.html

Here are some interesting views of Obama from some Israelis who know a thing or two about the Middle East.

http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2008/10/israelis-for-obama.html

But, of course, if your authority is Anthony R. (”exterminate Jew power”) Martin-Trigona, you may think the Zionists are biased.

Ross, G. et al - is there any proof that there was a friendship? I’m asking this in all sincerity, from the little I have read the only evidence of them spending time together is that they are both members of a charity board. Is there any more substantive evidence than this?

Added, direct link.

http://www.vimeo.com/1882159

Incidentally the problem with Obama is not that he is a Marxist or a black nationalist, but that he admires those sort of people and considers them to be more ‘authentic‘ than sane people, so he adopts a “No enemies on the left” approach. As he makes clear in his first book:

“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our setereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society’s stifling constraints. We weren’t indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated.”

He certainly doesn’t consider it to be a basic act of moral hygeine to avoid getting close to people like Ayers.

I hate to have to repeat myself, but Jerome Corsi (author of The Obama Nation) is nuts but is rejected (on the grounds of insanity and lack of research) by sensible conservatives like Charles Johnson.
It’s hard to link Jerome Corsi with the McCain campaign.

“is there any proof that there was a friendship? “

Well the Chicago mayor, Richard Daley, describes them as friends and this is whilst he is defending Obama:

“People keep trying to align himself with Barack Obama,It’s really unfortunate. They’re friends. So what? People do make mistakes in the past. You move on. This is a new century, a new time. He reflects back and he’s been making a strong contribution to our community.”

Going negative: I don’t suppose we can expect much better from a wife-leaving gook hater and a book-banning, pro-rape idiot who secretly adopted her retarded grand-daughter. I’m saddened.

Chris that’s a great link thanks.

Ross he’s clearly talking about his days as a student. At university I was friends with Marxists, radical feminists, members of the Pakistan Workers Association, anti-fascists including anarchists, Red Action and Bengali Youth Groups. We too discussed imperialism, the wretched of the earth and patriarchy. Admittedly I drew the line at punk rock performance artists!

None of this is proof that Obama is either a Marxist or a black Nationalist. For god sake he’s a member of the Democratic Party not the Nation of Islam nor Workers Power.

I initially read this as: ‘A call for more selective slimming’. Had absolutely no idea what you were talking about.

OK. I get the idea of the post now. But perhaps it could be better expressed? I think more of us are familiar with ’slimming’ rather than ’sliming’; or is that ’smiling’?

Ross, I misread the first part of your post, I see now that you weren’t claiming that Obama is either a marxist or black nationalist. Your concerned that he admires such people.

Homercles; very funny!

If they could just admit they’re a teeny bit scared of a black man becoming president, they’d feel a whole lot better.

The fact that you are so quick to play the race card suggests that it is you who is the racist here.

But we knew that already - it is liberals who are the race-obsessed race-baiters here. Try looking at a person as an individual sometime, y’know?

I am extremely troubled about Jerome Corsi’s nomination as Presidential Candidate for the Republican Party. I fear he will make a very bad POTUS.

Happy?

If they could just admit they’re a teeny bit scared of a black man becoming president, they’d feel a whole lot better.

Racist drivel. When people object to Obama for being a liar, a follower of an antisemitic preacher, a nobody who has achieved nothing of substance, people like you focus on his skin colour and accuse others of the obsession with race which you suffer from.

Morgoth, this is rich indeed, I have been dumbstruck by the vitriol, lies and open hatred that has been displayed towards Obama on various threads on HP. I have been careful not to talk about ‘Republicans’ or ‘conservatives’ but rather individual posters.

For the record I don’t consider myself a liberal. Its much worse than that, I’m a socialist-Zionist.

Your post confirms this view

Only in your fervid and racist imagination. The post you refer to focused on Obama’s shortcomings as a human being and politician.

OK: it’s Gene, Sullivan and Herman who have lost the plot.

I have been dumbstruck by the vitriol, lies and open hatred that has been displayed towards Obama on various threads on HP

There has been no sick and sickening vitriol displayed towards Palin, of course.

The real story here is that Gene has stopped making his weird and unpleasant remarks about Palin’s bedroom activities and smearing Native American secessionists as “traitors” who need to be subjected to the same treatment as the Confederary to ask an important question.

Why all the hating here people?

Why all the hating here people?

Hatred is the basis of modern liberalism/progressivism.

Scratch a liberal, find a fascist underneath.

Gene has finally lost it.

Complaining about the odd truther or jew hater supporting McCain just doesn’t cut it.

Obama has spent the better part of the last 20 year cozying up to:

one of the most corrupt political machine in the US
one of the most offensive religious segregationists the US
unrepentant domestic terrorists.

Now that’s change!

“Ross, G. et al - is there any proof that there was a friendship?”

Har!

You mean with that old terrorist dude who lives in Obama’s neighborhood?

Har!

Obama only launched his political career in Ayers’ living room.

David,
What nonsense. Point out anything I said in my 3-50pm post which in any way shape or form that can be construed as rascist and I’ll cheerfully buy you a beverage of your choice.

Obama is not my pick for many reasons but his skin colour is not a factor. I dislike him because he is shallow. I dislike him because of his links to Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright and I dislike him because I dislike his politics. The later point is an utterly valid reason to dislike him, though, obviously, personal. The earlier ones are enough for me to think he has no right to aspire to the office he is going for. Well obviously he has the right but he certainly shouldn’t be taken seriously in his bid and there is certainly something screwed in America if he’s got this far already.

David, if you wanna screw America and destroy the West’s and therefore humanity’s last best hope then knock yourself out. Just don’t expect me to join in.

Oh that and basically what Nearly Oxfordian and the Lord of Angband said.

David, how very dare you accuse me of racism. How very dare you!

“If they could just admit they’re a teeny bit scared of a black man becoming president, they’d feel a whole lot better.”

Ooh that’s rich. And sadly, utterly predictable. Oh and did you hear that Palin’s criticism of Obama’s long relationship with a white, upper-class, privileged terrorist has racial undertones?

I think the speculation, by the Associated Press, on race was based around the supposed dog whistle sentence.

“This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America,”

I have no idea whether this was written for Palin with race as an agenda.
All I would say is that McCains campaign is reaching desperation point as it plummets in the polls,but even they can’t be so stupid as to use such an vacuuous loose cannon as a conduit for the race card.

Indeed tim. Pure racism, plain and simple.

supposed dog whistle sentence

Some reference to lipsticked Pit Bull’s methinks. How low will you stoop, Tim?

To be fair, stu, it was Associated Press that was playing the Race Card there. T

If Republicans are going to devote the final month of the presidential campaign to sliming Barack Obama– as they apparently (and desperately) have decided to do– I hope they at least will find a way to do it without employing Jew haters and 9/11 “truthers” who appear on hate radio programs

Would it be acceptably sanitary to reproduce a few of Rev. Wright’s speeches or some excerpts from the magazine published by Obama’s church?

To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our setereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society’s stifling constraints. We weren’t indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated.

Oh my gawd! Obama actually wrote that?

There isn’t a single cliché he didn’t employ.

It’s identical to the sort of worthless, misinformed shit they used to publish in the late 60s.

Except Obama’s ‘experiences’ date from the 80s.

But it’s still ‘Electric Ladyland’!

Ross he’s clearly talking about his days as a student. At university I was friends with Marxists, radical feminists, members of the Pakistan Workers Association, anti-fascists including anarchists, Red Action and Bengali Youth Groups. We too discussed imperialism, the wretched of the earth and patriarchy. Admittedly I drew the line at punk rock performance artists!

That’s a very narrow and limited range of associations.

Did you know any Christians? Any Roman Ratholics? Did you associate with any conservatives or better yet black conservatives? Ever talked to a Jew for Jesus? Every shook hands with Anita Bryant?

Ever had an independant thought?

What’s yer vector, Victor?

In sum, did you never seek out any of those groups, causes or individuals who now constitute the true subversives?

Many corporate heads these days were/are marxist.

The roster of peoples, cultures and causes you list as associates is really boring and far from cutting edge.

You’re an ‘old’ youth, even at 18, just like Obama.

What a flacid rebellion gene you have!

Sliming Obama is like sliming slime.

Obama is a proven liar (”Jerusalem undivided - well I mean as long as the Palestinians don’t mind”)

He was promoted by the Marxist Terrorist Ayers and served on various fondations with him.

Bought a house at a dicsount courtesy of the crook Rezko.

Sat in a Black Radical Church that spouted race hate.

As someone said “With this background Obama wouldn’t even get past USA immigration”

As far as I’m, concerned McCain can stop the debate on Tuesday and let Obama have both barrels. Get him mad. Get him stuttering. Rile him. Roughouse politics is what McCain MUST do to save America from Obama.

Oh Gene (sigh), Where did it all go so very wrong

Please Gene,

Tell us your views about Obama’s hob-nobbing with domestic terrorists. I think it might be cool to see how far you bend the notion of logic to prove that Obama’s relationship with Ayers is nothing to worry about.

The desperation of the McCain campaign is explained here

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/latestpolls/index.html

As soon as the economic crisis hit,McCain was flapping around like a headless chicken,and as soon as his poll ratings fell as a result,his campaign then followed in the panic.

A sign of how this campaign is in panic is that
1.They tell everyone that they need to change the focus from the economy.
2.They do it on a day when the Dow falls 400-500 points.

“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our setereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society’s stifling constraints. We weren’t indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated.”

Surely this is (mostly) ironic though?

The lower McCain’s polling, the more the right resorts to vitriol. I think they should keep it up. They are alienating indies where it counts, the USA. They are going down, but not in the wave of glory they imagine.

Obama - 15 point lead in Pennsylvania, almost tied 2 weeks ago. 10 point lead in Virginia, hasn’t gone blue for President since 1964.

John P - that was my point hardly subversive or cutting edge so why are you beating Obama up for this. I just don’t get it.

Nick M -

Disliking a politicians politics is undoubtedly the best reason not to vote for someone. But by accusing him of being a marxist and racist and declaring him unfit to be president you’re indulging in rabid scare-mongering nonsense. In the racists imagination the black man was/is amongst other stereotypes the harbinger of death and destruction the person thats gonna destroy everything thats good and pure and white. This is why I think this scurrilous anti-Obama campaign posited on this thread is racist.

McCain has been doing well with age 65 retirees. That may soon change. McCain will pay for his health care tax credit with reductions to Medicare.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122315505846605217.html

Dow down 5.85% with 1.75 hrs trading to go.

Maven - ‘let him have it with both barrels’ - a subliminal lynching perhaps?

But he won’t stutter or be mad, he will be smooth, cool and eloquent because by the time of the debate he’ll be so far ahead in the polls that McCain should concede and the Networks call the result.

I’m enjoying seeing all you right-wingers begin to froth! True character is revealed in adversity.

M.B.
Which of McCains strategy guys decided to put Palin in charge of the attacks when they’re trying to win over independents?
Unless of course they think its all over and know they have to rally the base to prevent a wipeout.

Tim - Unless of course they think its all over and know they have to rally the base to prevent a wipeout.

That may be. In doing so, they may be killing their party for a generation. I hate one-party systems.

M.B - perhaps the Republicans will be replaced by the Greens and/or a Nadir led socialist party. Then Americans can experience a real two party system where there’s meaningful ideological difference.

Surely this is (mostly) ironic though?

Nope, he means it.

John P - that was my point hardly subversive or cutting edge so why are you beating Obama up for this. I just don’t get it.

But Obama thinks it was subversive, the cry of a generation.

He’s a rehash! Same old, same old, packaged by his verteran 60s handlers and rolled out as some revolutionary hope ‘n change number. Saddle-shoes and penny-loafers.

He’ll be putty in corporate hands and he’ll be preyed upon by sharks of all stripes who know there’s no substance whatsoever to the guy.

If you can sit in a pew for 20 years listening to Rev. Wright’s bile and never realise the guy’s a nut, then anyone can take advantage of you.

We’re electing a blind bank-teller!

The death of the Federalist party ultimately led to the Whig party. The death of the Whig party led to the Republicans.

The Dems and Repubs have shown themselves infinitely capable of re-invention. The agrarian, pro-slavery Dems, over a century, became the urban party of civil rights and voting rights. The Repubs, party of Lincoln, became the party of Strom Thurmond and David Duke.

We can only participate and observe.

Perhaps Karl Rove is plotting at this very minute, deciding to ditch the moral majority (they’re clearly not) and the Christian right in favor of environmentalists, pro-choice feminists and anarcho-syndicalists.

“The agrarian, pro-slavery Dems, over a century, became the urban party of civil rights and voting rights.”

I higher proportion of Congressional Republicans than Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Acts. Republicans resist racial quotas, however, which are written into the delegate selection rules of the Democrat National Convention.

Maven - ‘let him have it with both barrels’ - a subliminal lynching perhaps?

Here’s the real reason.

O ba ma! O ba ma! Kool Aid drinkers ONLY want Obama as a protest vote against Bush.

What they have failed to realise, as subtle as this might be, Bush AIN’T RUNNING!!!

Do YOU really want Daily Kos, Moveon.org and NYT to run America? What if Obama’s strings get tangled? What if his teleprompter gets broken?

Mesquito - that’s true but many of the Southern Dems who voted against civil and voting rights went for Wallace in 1968 and transferred to Repub by 1972. The “solid south” was dead.

Maven - while Rome is burning and all that, its not just Bush, he’s gone anyway, its the whole Republican deal. the free market capitalists that have fucked the worlds economy, the giant corporations that have fucked the worlds environment and the stupid, narrow minded culture warriors who quite frankly haven’t fucked anything much other than seriously fucking me off.

So be gone you miserable fuckers and let someone else have a chance of fucking everything up.

Worth 1000 words.

http://www.samefacts.com/archives/campaign_2008_/2008/10/worth_1000_words.php

A great take on Obama as President. The fall on Wall Street might be all the traders realising that an Obama win will mean much higher taxes. So why not sell sell sell to get your money before its hit for tax. If Obama doesn’t win then buy it all back low.

That’s it. Its a FACT! (I’ve decided)

Obama Responsible for World Stock Market Collapse

Maven - while Rome is burning and all that, its not just Bush, he’s gone anyway, its the whole Republican deal. the free market capitalists that have fucked the worlds economy, the giant corporations that have fucked the worlds environment and the stupid, narrow minded culture warriors who quite frankly haven’t fucked anything much other than seriously fucking me off.

So be gone you miserable fuckers and let someone else have a chance of fucking everything up.

But the Credit Crunch is due to Democratic policy in setting-up Freddie and Fannie and then people liek Barney Fran lying that it was solid.

Obama, as a lawyer helped persue companies who weren’t lending the stated percentage of home loans to shoe-shine boys. Companies were penalised for not selling enough social housing.

The, to make sure of political patronge they made Obama second highest recipient of slush money. He then appointed the discredited executives as his financial advisors.

Yup, that should finish off America.

In a perverse way I think America deserves to be screwed by Obama for teh sheer stupidity and wilful self-destruction of their mindless hypnotic trance.

its the whole Republican deal. the free market capitalists that have fucked the worlds economy, the giant corporations that have fucked the worlds environment and the stupid, narrow minded culture warriors who quite frankly haven’t fucked anything much other than seriously fucking me off.

Bring the referees back to the marketplace.

Mavern - the Republicans have been overseeing the economy for eight years. They have allowed the economy to be controlled by two separate Republican enclaves - the so called Masters of the Universe Wall street hucksters and the giant corporations. These people have perpetrated been a giant swindle against the American people, their ideology was a facade that enabled them to line their own pockets at the expense of the working men and women of America. They have ruined the economy, sent millions into poverty and have themselves walked away with a fortune. The American voter can see this now and will kick the Republicans out of office.

M.B. precisely

David,
And you’d be right except I never, ever said that I think Obama is unfit to be president becuase he’s black.

He’s unfit for that role because he’s a Marxist with links to the that nutter Jeremiah Wright.

Oh, and he is a racist Black Supremecist which is not the same thing as being black per se any more than being white automatically makes one a Neo-Nazi. Skin colour (either way) is a necessary but not a sufficient condition.

Has it not occurred to you that inter alia Obama will put back black folks in US politics a generation. I mean is America ready for a black President? Of course it is! Is it ready for a black president who is also a nasty nutjob. It isn’t and never will be.

Nick - what proof is there that he’s a marxist? what proof is there that he’s a black supremacist? It seems to me that it would be difficult for a democratic senator to be either of these things.

So far, all you have shown is guilt by association. You make unbelievable accusations and then are either unwilling or unable to justify them.

Obama Marxist.

He echo’s the same hatred of his own country that a Marxist activist would. They would be blaming the USA for all the World’s ills - even though its their country.

In Germany Obama apologised to the German people for the mistakes America has made and the negative feelings that go against The USA.

He wouldn’t admit that the surge had worked and it is said he tried to interefer in Iraqi politics on his visist - trying to screw the existing Bush Patreus plan.

He talked about American “bombing villages and killing civilians” rather than the reasons why the USA were in Afghanistan.

Michelle Obama called the USA ” Ad downright mean country”.

He spent 20 years with a pastor of Black Liberation Policy which is rooted in Marxism.

Nope - Marxism and Obam just a rumour!!!

LOL!!!

Anyone to the left of Attila the Hun is a Marxist, dontcha know ?

>Nick - what proof is there that he’s a marxist? what proof is there that he’s a black supremacist? It seems to me that it would be difficult for a democratic senator to be either of these things.

David there is so much evidence it is hard to know where to start.

He was member of a racist, black supremacist, anti-semitic church for 20 years.
He was associated with radical Marxist groups like Acorn
He served on a board with a Marxist terrorist, who was proud of what he did.

Do you need any more?

Maven - this is not evidence, have you any idea what Marxism is! it’s not just a slur to be hurled at people you don’t like.

There is no evidence of Marxism in your post at all - until we get to Black Liberation Policy - it’s my understanding (and I’m not an expert) that Black Liberation Policy split from Marxism over the question of black nationalism. Whereas Marxists believe that class is the primary basis for both analysis and organisation, Black Power believed that for Black people to escape from oppression they would have to organize around ethnicity/race.

You haven’t presented any evidence whatsoever that Obama is a Marxist. In fact, the only conclusion to be drawn from your post is that you have no idea what Marxism is.

“There is no evidence of Marxism in your post at all - until we get to Black Liberation Policy - it’s my understanding (and I’m not an expert) that Black Liberation Pol