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I’m wondering how long it will take Morgoth to join the thread to rant about these effete quislings.

P.

So? Some Israelis perceive him as a good choice. How very exciting. Only Gene and his ilk think there is something worth discussing about this. And a troll like Moloney, of course.

The people who put this together misled the generals about the intent of their video. They were asked to describe the challenges in the Middle East that will face the next US Administration and then were tangentially asked for their opinions about “the One”.

Several of the interviewees say their remarks were taken out of context:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1222017470356&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/06/israelis-dispute-pro-obama-video/

‘It wasn’t about the campaign, it was about the political and security issues of the Middle East that the next president should be involved in,” he continued. “Nothing was said about Obama or [Republican presidential candidate John] McCain.”’

Personally, I think an Obama Presidency might be good for Israel, because with an actively hostile lunatic like him in power, the next Likud government might be emboldened to stop making retarded concessions in order to appease the State Dept., but that’s another issue.

Right, and of course no Israeli general has ever been known to be wrong on any major issue, so this surely seals the argument.

The people who put this together misled the generals about the intent of their video. They were asked to describe the challenges in the Middle East that will face the next US Administration and then were tangentially asked for their opinions about “the One”.

And yet, Ohad, they said what they said.

Norman Geras (on whose blog I first came across this video), puts it very succinctly:

“But with the exception of the contribution of Uzi Dayan, quoted to that effect by the JP, it’s hard to see the context that would make what these men say anything but a warm endorsement of Obama’s candidacy.”

http://normblog.typepad.com/normblog/2008/10/israelis-for-obama.html

Mogorth, NO, G, - suck on this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7651100.stm

Mogorth, NO, G, -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7651100.stm

>And yet, Ohad, they said what they said.

But they would not have said it if they knew it would be used out-of-context in a campaign video.

Why did JCER decide to lie about what they were doing?

You can bet yer bottom dollar certain ex KGB elements are cheering for Obama, as well!

Sort of in video veritas Ohad?

G wrote:

Personally, I think an Obama Presidency might be good for Israel, because with an actively hostile lunatic like him in power, the next Likud government might be emboldened to stop making retarded concessions in order to appease the State Dept., but that’s another issue.

I suspect you may have a point. I’d also expect given Obamessiah’s left-leaning, moonbat and capitulati credentials, that the Israeli govt would be rather less up-front with the US about their intentions vis-a-vis letting Iran develop the capability to carry out their overt threats.

Obama reminds me so much of Carter.

Jerusalem Post:

“It’s not only misleading, it was an interview about what the next president was going to have to deal with,” former deputy chief of staff Maj.-Gen. (res.) Uzi Dayan told The Jerusalem Post. “And to know that they used this interview and took five seconds, and put me in a list of people praising Barack Obama…

“It wasn’t about the campaign, it was about the political and security issues of the Middle East that the next president should be involved in,” he continued. “Nothing was said about Obama or [Republican presidential candidate John] McCain.”

“I don’t want other people to interfere in my elections, and I must not interfere with the elections in the United States,” he said.

You are only as smart as the crowd you run with, Gene.

Norm’s comment would be rather more convincing had not Ephraim Halevy also said this:

Former Mossad chief Ephraim Halevy, who appeared in the video praising the Democratic candidate, also said that he was misled.

“I was interviewed for a documentary dealing with what issues the new American president must deal with regarding the Middle East,” Halevy told the Post. “I was asked about the candidates, and was complimentary to both.”

But when asked about his opinion on who was more qualified to be president, Halevy said that he had rejected the question.

“I said that I thought it was inappropriate for an Israeli to advise Americans on who they should vote for, as it would be for them to advise Israelis on who they should vote for prime minister,” he said.

If you’ve said complimentary things about both candidates, it hardly lends itself to headlining your presence in a movie about how IDF generals are “for Obama”. Politicians worldwide always take care to say good things about each candidate, knowing that they’ll have to work with whoever is the victor, unless, like Dayan, Mitzna and Inbar have markedly committed views towards one party or another. Mitzna and Inbar are left-Labour– Mitzna bombed completely as the leader of Labour in the last election against Sharon.

I wonder who gets influenced by stuff like this, and how come the makers failed to sus out their manipulative methods would be publicised? Once again, seems to suggest the Obama campaign sees voters as gullible folk who look to elites for pointers on how to vote. Just like those Jewish anti-Israel campaigners in the UK who think they’ll influence people towards their viewpoint by taking paid ads “as Jews” to condemn Israel in The Times…..

You are only as smart as the crowd you run with, Gene.

I presume thats irony, from a Sarah Palin supporter.

Another desperate attempt, Gene. Give up. Obama’s going to win and you’re looking more and more silly.

Another desperate attempt, Gene. Give up. Obama’s going to win and you’re looking more and more silly.

I DID it! I DID it! I must have converted Gene to support McCain (or this poster got it wrong - or its a spoof)

I presume thats irony, from a Sarah Palin supporter

Beyond pathetic. But that’s the level these people have sunk to.

I could go lower.
How about picking today to change the focus from the economy.

“I could go lower.”

No kidding.

I imagine that Stormfront and various “anti-imperialists” will be bookmarking this, for future reference when and if Obama becomes Prez?

So? Some Israelis perceive him as a good choice. How very exciting. Only Gene and his ilk think there is something worth discussing about this. And a troll like Moloney, of course.

I’ve been meaning to ask, Nearly, are you for real? Or Mick Napier.

Incidentally, this is the second time that poor Yossi Alpher has been ‘had’ in the last couple of months.

Sasha Baron Cohen disguised as Bruno the gay Austrian recently fooled him into answering some ludicrous questions about the peace process for a future whizzo Bruno spoof. It was in the Israeli papers. Hopefully the boys and girls still serving in the Mossad whence Alpher came are less adorably naive and gullible.

Paul, linkages to SBC? He’s intentionally funny.

“I could go lower.”

Ah, that’ll be Limbo Dancers for Obama, then…….

I’ve been meaning to ask, Nearly, are you for real?

Yes, Tosser Alec. And unlike you, I know a thing or two about Israel.

Here’s the former super duper secret agent waxing philosophical on being fooled by Borat:

http://www.forward.com/articles/13679/

Cheers, Paul.

And unlike you, I know a thing or two about Israel.

Yeah, Mick Napier or his mates have been there.

I see John P beat me to the point I was going to make about Putin and other FSB/FSS types of dubious morality and practice (which is, ultimately, pretty much what secret service types in any country end up being by nature of their profession) also backing Obama….

They are welcome to him…

Sasha Baron Cohen. Ah. Having berated him (I think quite correctly) for defaming and mocking Kazakhstan previously,I found myself in Staines the other day and was, I suppose, more or less delighted to find that he had, more or less, done the same thing there: the town was very much less ghastly than I had anticipated it would be, even pre-Ali G.

If Barak has any inkling of the kind of suffering and collective abuse that retired israeli generals have presided over in the occupied territories, then I would hope that he finds their expressed support very distasteful.

Retired IDF generals and Mossad officials speaking out for Obama?

Hurrah! I am wondering though; if the IDF etc had expressed serious reservations about Obama, would Gene be reconsidering?

Personally, I am very jealous on behalf of all British folk. I thought America was supposed to have a “special relationship” with the UK. But there is Obama in front of the President of Israel talking about the US “special relationship” with Israel. Damn! I thought we were special.

I think they need to do a tape of UK military endorsements of Obama. It’s only fair.

“I don’t want other people to interfere in my elections, and I must not interfere with the elections in the United States,” he said.

Seems sensible. Its a rule that officials normally follow - even retired officials.

Having berated him (I think quite correctly) for defaming and mocking Kazakhstan previously

Sasha Baron Cohen, Private Eye, etc; these folk produce what is called humour and satire, Venichka. The fact that you “berated” him for “defaming and mocking” Kazakhstan only adds to the mirth.

Sasha Baron Cohen disguised as Bruno the gay Austrian recently fooled him into answering some ludicrous questions about the peace process for a future whizzo Bruno spoof.

Excellent stuff. I look forward to that.

So what? I’m sympathetic to Obama when I compare all of the candidates (including VP’s). The question comes down to what policies will he undertaken when he is in power?

But will Sacha Baron Cohen? He is exploiting our tragic and painful conflict in the most cynical and deceptive manner. I doubt he’ll give us anything in return.

Yeah, so what’s new?

United at last. The Israelis and Palestinians are together outraged at Sacha Baron Cohen. He is a man of peace, bringing together the warring tribes.

The implication in the film that Obama would bomb Iran before McCain would, is the most bizarre thing I have ever seen. These generals are far too inteligent to believe in that.

Israel is a liberal democracy. Senior officers in the IDF have different opinions. Some at odds with current political thinking.

(In the 1982 war in Lebanon, an Israeli colonel requested to be relieved of his command because he felt that conquering Beirut would cause many soldiers deaths and he did not feel that he could bear visiting all the families involved for something that he didn’t agree with anyway. He was relieved of his command and discharged. I remember his name. Eli Geva. 25 years later and I remember his name. I have no idea what happened to him after that.)

The short video shown and the views expressed, (in Hebrew), do not, to me, express direct support for Obama. They do suggest, in the opinion of the speaker, that Bush’s strategy was not implemented well.

Unlike you, Tosser Alec, I have lived in Israel.

I see that Reuben is a personal friend of Obama, calling him by his first name.
Of course, the terror to which Israelis have been subjected for 60 years is dismissed by the likes of Reuben with a shrug.

Banjamin pompously lecturing Venichka on humour and satire: pure comedy, but presumably unintentional.
I was a fan of S C-B before his Kazakhstan stuff, but it crossed the line into racism.

NO

It was just a reference to Venichka previously damning Private Eye. Now he’s condemning Sacha Baron Cohen.

HP is a funny old world - unfunny Bernard Manning was lauded here a while back. Well, I don’t find him funny, but tastes differ I realise.

Get a fucking life Benji (I was thinking particularly, but not solely of you when I described HP threads as bearing some similarity to Dante’s vision of purgatory: whereby dealing with the malignant and unpleasant is a kind of purificatory process) - I wasn’t “condemning” SBC any more than I was “damning” Private Eye. One can criticise in moderation, old boy without casting someone into the innermost recesses of hell: I thought that you, of all people, you passing Chichikov, who is doubtlessly neither thin nor fat, you travelling Salesman from hades, mr storm in a teacup, mr minor whirl in media land would understand that.

(I don’t think Bernard Manning was “lauded” here, either.)

Unlike you, Tosser Alec, I have lived in Israel.

So has, I think, Napier. Throwing this open to the floor, has Nearly mentioned this before?

One can criticise in moderation, old boy without casting someone into the innermost recesses of hell

Ah, but not in blog comments, where it’s important to be as spittle flecked as possible.

In Thailand, the elites can’t stand the democratic preference of the body politic. So they stage military coups.

The elites in the US think the same way about democracy, so they attempt to control the MSM to deceive people about what their smooth-talking nihilist leaders actually thnk and intend.

Samantha Power, a key Obama adviser, called in 2002 for billions of dollars in US military aid to Israel to be invested instead in Palestine and in a “mammoth” US-backed military force to impose a solution to the “Palestine-Israeli situation” on the pretext of preventing Rwanda-like genocide.
by Israel Insider staff
The Irish-born Power, pegged as a leading candidate for a top foreign policy position in a prospective Obama administration, perhaps NSC Advisor or even Secretary of State, left the Obama campaign after she was quoted as calling Hillary Clinton a “monster.”
But that dismissal did not reflect a reduction in her influence on Obama’s thinking. And when it comes to the Mideast, her views of Israel and American Jews appear to resemble those of Obama’s democratic rival.
A video clip from a 2002 interview reveals Power calling for US moves that “might mean alienating a domestic constituency,” she snickered coyly, “of tremendous political and financial import”, candidly calling for “sacrificing … billions of dollars not in servicing the Israeli military but rather investing in the new state of Palestine” and in a “mammoth protection force.”
Power suggested that the US would need to send a “meaningful military presence” to go in on a scale greater than any previous force. Though “imposition of a solution on unwilling parties is as a “dreadful… a terrible thing to do, … fundamentally undemocratic,” she said, it was essential to stop Israeli and Palestinian leaders who seem “politically destined to destroy the lives of their own peoples.” She suggested that just as “external intervention” in Rwanda might have prevented genocide, doing the the same in “Palestine-Israeli situation” would likely prove “lesser evils.”
Hat tip: Noah Pollack of Commentary and Ed Lasky of American Thinker who early wrote about Power and her views about Israel, Palestine and A… But the full, truly uncut, 58 minute interview, screened on April 29,2002 with Harvey Kreisler of the Institute for International Studies at UC Berkeley doing the interview on “Conversations with History,” is available-here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STVkYBcGzB0
It may prove to be history that Power and Obama would prefer to be suppressed.

Well - shock horror - Obama does not have advisers that are utterly, uniformly and homogenously pro-Israeli government. Golly gosh, that there should be any diversity of views is frankly disgraceful!

Perhaps that should be in the past tense: I am sure everything is okay now, chaps.

Very interesting interview anyway.

I am glad benjamin found the interview interesting this however should hopefully bring him to his senses.

Authorities at the Urban Community Leadership Academy in Kansas City, Missouri took action after a video of the pupils, who are thought to be aged 14 and 15, emerged on YouTube.

The video, which was titled “Obama Youth – Junior Fraternity Regiment”, has since been removed, but copies have been re-posted.

It shows 10 teenage boys marching into a classroom, making gestures with their arms and reciting “alpha, omega”.

After coming to a halt, each in turn shouts a personal mantra associating their personal goals with Mr Obama.

The first says: “Because of Obama, I aspire to be the next doctor”; the next, “Because of Obama, I aspire to be the next lawyer”.

Each then shouts Mr Obama’s campaign slogan: “Yes we can”, before carrying out a drill combining the recital of slogans and aggressive physical gestures. The boys then each recite a different benefit of Mr Obama’s healthcare plan.

Joyce McGautha, the school’s superintendent, told US media that the school did not approve of the video. She said that the teacher, who has not been named in anticipation of legal action, was suspended, and that further drill activities were stopped.

YouTube viewers were quick to criticise Mr Obama’s campaign for the video’s content, and to compare it to 20th century political youth movements.

One wrote: “This should scare the hell out of any freedom loving American. The Democrats, their accomplices in the media and the schools, are producing the next generation of Hitler Youth. Welcome to the People’s Socialist Republic of America.”

The video’s emergence comes soon after that of Sing for Change, a clip in which 22 children between 5 and 12 were seen singing a song praising the Democratic presidential candidate. Critics said it was improper to make children support politicians.

Reminds one of North Korea, perhaps?

Nachman is jealous because McCain can not get anyone to say how inspired they are by him.

Welcome to the People’s Socialist Republic of America.

First step, socialise the banks. Nice one George

Many Israeli security experts did not support Bush’s invasion and occupation of Iraq because they wanted the US to concentrate on Iran. Their belief that the US military would get bogged down and in Iraq and not have the people available to deal with Iran has been showed to be correct. Therefore, it seems logical that some retired Israeli generals and intelligence would prefer Obama’s new approach in dealing with Iran and Islamic terrorism then McCain who would follow in Bush’s footsteps of continuing to concentrate on Iraq.

Note: Any serious diplomatic negotiations are always without preconditions. Saying you will only negotiate with a country if they meet your conditions in advance is a way to avoid any talks that might reach a diplomatic settlement.

Herman, the way things are going with bank failures, the government will soon have taken control of all the banks that way and there will be no need to nationalize them!

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MWY2YmY4M2NmZWQzYzZmYTNjMjhkMzQ5MWY4NTMxNjY=&w=MQ==

“So when you cast your ballot this election, make no mistake: you are voting for or against a nuclear holocaust. Not because Barack Obama wants such a horror, but because he will not prevent it. He will still be talking when the point of no return in Iran’s nuclear program is reached. And the balance of power in the world will — with terrible consequences — have changed forever.”