Harry's Place

Not to mention the “No Maam” he’s not an Ayyyrab. Good of McCain to put that shocking slander to rest eh? Imagine if Arab was replaced by Jew in that exchange. The shit would hit the wall. But anti-Arab racism is nothing. Not even worthy of a comment by Gene.

You’re right, TheIrie. I’ve added an update.

Thank god for that.He’s been embarrased by his own campaign for the last three weeks.
I also suspect he’s read some sound advice, thinks he’s going to lose and doesn’t want to go down in history in the same category as those on the Bush 2000 Camaign in S.Carolina.

John Weaver, McCain’s former top strategist, said top Republicans have a responsibility to temper this behavior.

“Sen. Obama is a classic liberal with an outdated economic agenda. We should take that agenda on in a robust manner. As a party we should not and must not stand by as the small amount of haters in our society question whether he is as American as the rest of us. Shame on them and shame on us if we allow this to take hold.”

In no walk of life can you detach the man from the method.

I am prepared to accept that Obama is a decent person. But it has to be said there have been a couple of big question marks. One is staying in a racist church for over 20 years and then pretending you didn’t know what was being preached. He dumped Pastor Wright and saved his campaign.

But I think one does have to take the big view. The trauma of slavery runs deep in American society and obviously more so among people of African descent. Even though Obama was not of slave descent, he was bound to absorb the reality of black-white relations.

Taking the optimistic view, Obama looks well placed to do some healing. He has a foot in both camps. Of mixed race, having been
part of black victim politics – paranoid, and anti-patriotic – but now having moved into the mainstream. I think he understands the African-American psyche, but one hopes he does sincerely value all that is good in America.

“I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you don’t have to be scared of as president of the United States,”

“He’s a decent family man and citizen,” McCain says

McCain latest Obama – Ayers commercial

“Barack Obama and domestic terrorist Bill Ayers. Friends. They’ve worked together for years. But Obama tries to hide it. Why?”
[…]
“Ayers and Obama ran a radical “education” foundation, together.”
[…]
“Barack Obama. Too risky for America.”

A man in the audience stood up and told McCain he’s “scared” of an Obama presidency

“I’m scared of Barack Obama… he’s an … terrorist…”

McCain probably realizes the hate he has unleashed as demonstrated in Thursday’s rally in the neighboring state of Wisconsin will create a backlash against him. He is experienced enough to know that it looked bad for him to be seen working openly such a hateful crowd. So he is trying to put some distance between himself and the hatemongers he has stirred up so he can pretend that he is not appealing to hate and fear, which is all his campaign has left. For the Washington Post story on the scary rally in Wisconsin, google in qoutes, its headline: “Anger is Crowd’s Overarching Emotion at McCain Rally” and click on one of the entries.

Meanwhile the Alaskan state legislative committee investigating Gov. Palin’s firing of the state’s Public Safety Commissioner has by a vote of 12 to 0 that Palin did indeed unlawfully abuse her authority in doing so. See “Palin Abused Power, Ethics Report Finds” at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/10/politics/main4514596.shtml?tag=topStory;topStoryHeadline
for whole story.

This is a topedro hit below the waterline. Whether this is politically fatal remains to be seen. McCain may be forced to do an Eagleton and drop her from the ticket.

Meanwhile, not a word from TheIrie when his favoured client-peoples indulge in vile anti-semitic abuse, and then when he reads into a statement something that isn’t there, he jumps up and down and screams.

TheIrie, you really are a totally disgusting piece of shit, aren’t you? Its a pity, for the likes of you, that fortieth-trimester abortion isn’t legal. You really are utterly worthless scum, aren’t you?

“This is a topedo hit below the waterline. Whether this is politically fatal remains to be seen. McCain may be forced to do an Eagleton and drop her from the ticket.”

Will not happen. No one will show up to his rallies. They head for the exits between the time Palin wraps up and McCain begins.

McCain campaign will invent something worse about Biden.

M.B., if the Republicans want to find something bad about Biden, all they have to do is look at his statements, I am sure they will contain some usable material given Biden’s habital exagerations and borrowings from other folks’ lives.

My sense is that unlike Sarah Palin, McCain’s heart really isn’t in this Bill Ayers business.

I agree. Any regular person should be horrified by some of the crap being spouted by some folk at McCain-Palin rallies.

I don’t think McCain supports all that, and he intelligent enough to know that the Ayers stuff is complete baloney.

However, the buck does stop with him – its his campaign. He’s let the thing slide out of control; the thing lacks strategy, its all about the next tactic. Its a poorly run campaign captured by the right; ultimately McCain is responsible for that drift, even if he himself is no doubt disturbed by the most extreme elements in the crowds they attract.

Anyway, if the Ayers stuff is really serious, and it makes Obama a security threat or such like, it would have been irresponsible of McCain not to mention it at the debate. He didn’t mention it – which speaks volumes – and instead talked about overhead projectors and hair transplants.

I suspect the “that one” comment was McCain’s exasperated attempt to throw some red meat to the frothing supporters that he has the “pleasure” of addressing everyday. “That one” was a half strangled hint in that direction. He must have been aware in his mind that his performance in the debate was reasonably normal – not very good, but normal – rather than about stoking fear and hatred. But that is what his crowds lap up – demonisation, fear and bile.

I think he understands the African-American psyche, but one hopes he does sincerely value all that is good in America.

The “but” in that sentence makes it a profoundly racist statement. To be fair, racist statement do not crop up at HP very often – but I have found two in the last two days.

David, David, David,

Again, I must sorrowfully suggest that you either return to school for remedial reading classes or consult an optometrist. The report DID NOT say that Palin had done a single thing “unlawful”–only that she had “abused her power”–which is quite different. The report was at pains to point out that she had legally acted within the scope of her authority. Besides, as I pointed out in another post here , “abuse” like beauty and obscenity, is in the eye of the beholder. The investigating “Commission” was led by, and packed with, her political enemies–so this is much ado about nothing. Your political partisanship is clouding your eyes, David.

Video of both incidents here…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36jowG_VZho

field,

“Taking the optimistic view, Obama looks well placed to do some healing. He has a foot in both camps. Of mixed race, having been
part of black victim politics – paranoid, and anti-patriotic – but now having moved into the mainstream.”

Blacks as anti-patriotic? Like I said early, given that Rev. Wright served his country during a time when men like him didnt have equal rights and oppurtunities, let him talk as much shit as he likes. Frankly, the most dangerous thing Rev. Wright said was his theory about the spread of Aids/HIV, not because it was anti-American but because it leads blacks to believe that they arent in control of their sexual health. Two thumbs down for that comment. Any and everything else pales in comparison.

For whatever reason, most white Americans care more about his God Damning America.

field,

I guess I cant really complain because I have claimed that the European pysche is inherently fascist but I still resent your reference to an “African-American pysche.”

“The report will go to the Republican-dominated state legislature for possible further action.

Branchflower said that Alaska’s ethics code discourages state employees from “acting upon personal interests in the performance of their public responsibilities and to avoid conflicts of interest in the performance of duty.” He identified 18 events to substantiate an effort over an extended period of time to get Wooten fired.

“She had the authority and power to require Mr. Palin to cease contacting subordinates, but she failed to act,” the report said. ”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/10/10/ST2008101003254.html

McCain has finally shown the man he used to be.Lets see if Palin is prepared to tone down the two minutes hate at her all white rallies.

Sorry tim but when has Palin, married to a mixed race man, ever had an all white rally?

And no one is buying into your dog whistle claims. Take a look at this insanely baised CNN Report. Look at the two Black men on the right hand side in the front row and the large Black man on the left hand side in the second row:

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=uDgwL_JNcAw

Not all Blacks seem to share your prejudices

You really are a piece of work, tim. “all white rallies”? Oh lord.

Aren’t they?

From the Washington Post:
Worse, Palin’s routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric’s questions for her “less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media.” At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, “Sit down, boy.”
Need any more proof of the divisiveness and elitism that John McCain and Sarah Palin are bringing to our country? Imagine, whipping up a crowd to hate “the other.” Any surprise that Palin and McCain have so many ties to anti-Semites?
–
Palin Supporter To Black Sound Man: “Sit Down, Boy”
By Greg Sargent – October 7, 2008, 9:27AM
Sarah Palin’s frequent attacks on the media are now stoking so much outrage among her supporters that they’ve now taken to abusing reporters:

Palin’s routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric’s questions for her “less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media.” At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, “Sit down, boy.”

Sounds a bit like and Englsih football ground in the 80s.

He didn’t need to ‘regain’ anything, because he never ‘lost’ anything. This whole thing is just the usual rant by Gene, along the lines of ‘when did you stop beating your wife’.

And as to the Irie and Tim … the less said the better.

I guess I cant really complain because I have claimed that the European pysche is inherently fascist but I still resent your reference to an “African-American pysche.”

Resent away. What you said about the European pysche proves that you are a racist piece of scum.

T.S. N.O. Ths is top news at Google News and the major dailies here. Were you out too late Friday? Watch FoxNews only?

Aren’t they?

You tell me, homey. Is it audacious for a black man to show up at a white woman’s rally?

I’ve watched a bit of Fox this week, and the embarrassment has even filtered through to some of their presenters.

“McCain has finally shown the man he used to be.Lets see if Palin is prepared to tone down the two minutes hate at her all white rallies.”

Without that Tim, what she got?

Revealing article on Sarah:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=8c130fe3-adab-4cb3-8443-c363f085cf13

Adios amigos. Sleep calls.

What was the comment about Bush?
“He’s neither as stupid or as nice as you think” or something like.

The same applies to Palin, besides the fact that she is more stupid than anyone thought.

Tell us, tim. Are ‘niggers’ allowed at Palin rallies? Go on, asshole. Since you’re trying to paint Palin as a racist, let’s have the full treatment.

Of course anyone is allowed to attend, how comfortable or safe a non white person would feel at some of the rallies this week is a moot point.

You may also like to ponder why latino voters are also deserting the McCain/Palin ticket in droves, despite their traditional support for McCain.
I guees you think its smart politics for Palin to hold her hate rally in Florida, no crucial Hispanic swing vote there then.

Since you’re trying to paint Palin as a racist

No i’m not.I have no idea whether she is or not.
What I do know is that she’s stoked an atmosphere of violence and racism.
As McCain last night realised.

Bush won 44 percent of Hispanic voters in New Mexico in 2004, when he eked out a win in the state by 6,000 votes, according to exit polling.

In a poll conducted last week, McCain was winning just 17 percent of Hispanic voters in the state.

Don’t be as dim as Palin, Boogski.
This is stupid politics, besides anything else it may be.

tim and the Irie make me pine for the days of Flanker.

One of the great sideshows of this election is watching Fox News in total meltdown:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=187600&title=fox-news-panics

An Obama spokesman pays a visit to say drolly: “I’m guessing you guys don’t want to talk about the economy, right?”

ALMOST

Benji:

Ever get around to “Chinese Shadows” yet?

“hate rally”?

Jeezus H Christ on a fucking bungee cord! How dare you.

Carry on Boogski.
Parhaps you can get the Hispanic vote down to zero.
McCains sussed it, its only people like you and Palin who haven’t.

No worries, tim. You (and Gene) just continue on with your little internet jihad against Sarah Palin. Most amusing.

My Jihad?
More like her suicide videos.

Lol! Dammit man. :D

Another old supporter wondering what happened to John McCain.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bal-op.mccain10oct10,0,7557571.story

“McCain’s attacks fuel dangerous hatred
By Frank Schaeffer
October 10, 2008
John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as “not one of us,” I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence.

At a Sarah Palin rally, someone called out, “Kill him!” At one of your rallies, someone called out, “Terrorist!” Neither was answered or denounced by you or your running mate, as the crowd laughed and cheered. At your campaign event Wednesday in Bethlehem, Pa., the crowd was seething with hatred for the Democratic nominee – an attitude encouraged in speeches there by you, your running mate, your wife and the local Republican chairman.

Shame!

John McCain: In 2000, as a lifelong Republican, I worked to get you elected instead of George W. Bush. In return, you wrote an endorsement of one of my books about military service. You seemed to be a man who put principle ahead of mere political gain.

You have changed. You have a choice: Go down in history as a decent senator and an honorable military man with many successes, or go down in history as the latest abettor of right-wing extremist hate.

John McCain, you are no fool, and you understand the depths of hatred that surround the issue of race in this country. You also know that, post-9/11, to call someone a friend of a terrorist is a very serious matter. You also know we are a bitterly divided country on many other issues. You know that, sadly, in America, violence is always just a moment away. You know that there are plenty of crazy people out there.

Stop! Think! Your rallies are beginning to look, sound, feel and smell like lynch mobs.

John McCain, you’re walking a perilous line. If you do not stand up for all that is good in America and declare that Senator Obama is a patriot, fit for office, and denounce your hate-filled supporters when they scream out “Terrorist” or “Kill him,” history will hold you responsible for all that follows.

John McCain and Sarah Palin, you are playing with fire, and you know it. You are unleashing the monster of American hatred and prejudice, to the peril of all of us. You are doing this in wartime. You are doing this as our economy collapses. You are doing this in a country with a history of assassinations.

Change the atmosphere of your campaign. Talk about the issues at hand. Make your case. But stop stirring up the lunatic fringe of haters, or risk suffering the judgment of history and the loathing of the American people – forever.

We will hold you responsible.

Frank Schaeffer is the author of “Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right, and Lived to Take All (or Almost All) of It Back.”

I recall Sonic stating he’d support Tommy Sheridan even if he were shown to have lied. It’s a funny old world.

What moral perversion is necessary to equate Tim with that Jew-obsessed creep, Irie? I don’t see any of Tim’s comments, preserved neatly at the top of the thread, launching into immediate aggression and snarling accusations, blissfully oblivious to the absolute stupidity of inferring Gene is an apologist for McCain.

Appropriate name for the town of Clearwater.

Fox news have an interesting take on this story, they recognise McCains need to appeal to independents and reckon the crowds are “being fired up by the right wing radio hosts”.

One of the great sideshows of this election is watching Fox News in total meltdown:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=187600&title=fox-news-panics

That last bit is wonderful:

“Who are are you going to vote for?”

“Obama.”

“Obama.”

“Obama.”

“Clearly, they like Obama. But it’s not who they like… it’s who they’re going to vote for.”

P.

If Obama loses it will be because of racist rednecks. If he wins he will be an Uncle Tom, that’s how the left intend to play it.

Mind you if the Messiah/Two faced lying bastard does descend from mount Olympus and do a term or two at the White House at least it will mean the end of race based grievance politics in America,…. wont it? .

“If Obama loses it will be because of racist rednecks. If he wins he will be an Uncle Tom, that’s how the left intend to play it.

Mind you if the Messiah/Two faced lying bastard does descend from mount Olympus”

And another nutjob dies screaming.

Paul, not as good as, Obama is ahead in the key battleground states, precisely where investigations for fraud are underway. Coincidence?

My gf – an American – is of the opinion that McCain will crack before the election. A combination of the last remaining vestiges of his decency – as noted above – as well as growing fears about the kind of racism and ignorant bigotry being openly displayed at his rallies and which may find their way into a McCain White House may cause him to self-immolate or commit hari-kari.

The USA faces numerous problems at home and abroad, as noted by the New Yorker (which has called for Obama):

‘The Republican disaster begins at home. Even before taking into account whatever fantastically expensive plan eventually emerges to help rescue the financial system from Wall Street’s long-running pyramid schemes, the economic and fiscal picture is bleak. During the Bush Administration, the national debt, now approaching ten trillion dollars, has nearly doubled. Next year’s federal budget is projected to run a half-trillion-dollar deficit, a precipitous fall from the seven-hundred-billion-dollar surplus that was projected when Bill Clinton left office. Private-sector job creation has been a sixth of what it was under President Clinton. Five million people have fallen into poverty. The number of Americans without health insurance has grown by seven million, while average premiums have nearly doubled. Meanwhile, the principal domestic achievement of the Bush Administration has been to shift the relative burden of taxation from the rich to the rest. For the top one per cent of us, the Bush tax cuts are worth, on average, about a thousand dollars a week; for the bottom fifth, about a dollar and a half. The unfairness will only increase if the painful, yet necessary, effort to rescue the credit markets ends up preventing the rescue of our health-care system, our environment, and our physical, educational, and industrial infrastructure.’

Rather like Harry’s Place, McCain pours petrol on the white man’s fear of Arabs, blacks and terrorists. And just like here, the crowd lap it up.

Only when the strategy fails and his poll ratings fall, does McCain start to backtrack.

Gene then laughably opines: To his great credit, John McCain seemed to regain some of his old conscience and honor speaking to a town hall meeting in Minnesota.

Translation: McCain tries to avoid becoming the victim of his own great credit crunch.

The crowd didn’t like it one bit.

Of course not. Who respects a general who eggs on his troops, and then cynically denounces them for following orders?

Rather like Harry’s Place, McCain pours petrol on the white man’s fear of Arabs, blacks and terrorists. And just like here, the crowd lap it up.

Sounds like you’re saying the white man has an inherent hate of different races. Is that what you mean, Zin?

Needless to say, people like yourself who whip up Islamists rather than tell them the truth, leading to suicide bombings around the world, are the ones who have some explaining to do. etc, etc.

You’ve spent years holding placards saying “Bush -world’s number 1 terrorist’.

Ironically, in a few years time you’ll likely be calling Obama a terrorist, without a care in the world, just as you have been doing with leading politicians in the UK and US for many years, despite the huge terror threat.

Just the double standards of the looney left I suppose.

Mike

Nope, not inherent. Just cultural and economic. And certainly very real – watch the McCain video and the Palin rallies.

And no, I’ve never whipped up, spanked, touched up, or encouraged any Islamist to do anything. Zin is not an Arab, a Brazilian, or even a member of the SWP. He’s a decent family man, as McCain would say. Although if you think otherwise, you could always pass on your suspicions to Mi5.

Never held the aforementioned placard for a minute, let alone years. I’m thinking of making my own though: “Mike – world’s number 1 nutter”

Peace & Love

Glad to see you disassociating yourself with the antiwar movement since 2001.

I’m not defending the morons at McCain’s rally for one second, but antiwar types who have been raving about Bush and Blair being terrorists for years aren’t in any position to complain. These same people will be calling Obama a terrorist themselves in a year or two, just you wait.

It’s always good to see the Left standing up for the important things in life – like bent cops and spousal abusers.

I meant to post that on the Palin thread. Obvi.

people like yourself who whip up Islamists rather than tell them the truth, leading to suicide bombings around the world, are the ones who have some explaining to do

And then

I’m not defending the morons at McCain’s rally for one second

No, you’re the moron-in-chief of the Harry’s Place rally

The ‘Harry’s Place effect’ reaches the USA, as years of guilt-by-association finally pays off

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us

How many regular commenters can you spot in the crowd?

Conflict in Camp McCain

“With his electoral prospects fading by the day, Senator John McCain has fallen out with his vice-presidential running mate about the direction of his White House campaign.

McCain has become alarmed about the fury unleashed by Sarah Palin, the moose-hunting “pitbull in lipstick”, against Senator Barack Obama. Cries of “terrorist” and “kill him” have accompanied the tirades by the governor of Alaska against the Democratic nominee at Republican rallies.

Mark Salter, McCain’s long-serving chief of staff, is understood to have told campaign insiders that he would prefer his boss, a former Vietnam prisoner of war, to suffer an “honourable defeat” rather than conduct a campaign that would be out of character – and likely to lose him the election.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4926283.ece

Sounds like you’re saying the white man has an inherent hate of different races.

Not to mention equating fear of Arabs and blacks with fear of terrorists, and apparently forgetting that most of the plotters in this country have been Asian. Most hilarious when anti-racism is tried by leering, pin-striped spivs who judge everything on race and religion!

Good article
http://pajamasmedia.com/victordavishanson/jumping-ship/
“A couple of thoughts: the George Bush, Sr. / Willie Horton campaign was far tougher; so were the Bush 2000/2004 efforts. If anything, McCain’s campaign is subdued in comparison to what we’ve seen on both sides in past years. Indeed, McCain as a vicious campaigner is a complete fabrication, but, again, a brilliant subterfuge on the part of Team Obama that, in fact, has run, via appendages, the far more vicious race. Obama and his surrogates have repeatedly engaged in racial politics (as Bill Clinton lamented when in fury he denounced the “race card”); when there was never evidence that McCain was using race as a wedge issue, it was clear Obama most surely was–preemptively, on at least two occasions, warning Americans he would soon be the victim of opposition racial stereotyping. His surrogates like Biden and those in the Senate continue to link legitimate worries about OBama’s past with racism.

“Second, for about 3 months all we’ve heard are references to McCain’s age, with adjectives and phrases like confused, can’t remember any more, disturbed, lost his bearings, etc. Moreover, so far, McCain supporters have not broken into Biden’s email, or accused Biden of being a Nazi, or accused anyone of not bearing one of their own children, or photo-shopped grotesque pictures of Obama on the Internet (as in the Atlantic magazine case). I don’t think deranged McCain supporters in Hollywood or television almost daily are quoted as damning Obama in unusually crude terms. Nor are white racist ministers calling McCain a ‘messiah’ or McCain operatives fraudulently swarming voter registration centers. And on and on.
…
“Obama, as I have said ad nauseam, has brilliantly prepped the battlefield to such a degree that a Farrakhan endorsement or surrogates calling Palin a quasi-Nazi or a bimbo, or smearing McCain as near senile is irrelevant; yet one screamer in a crowd of tens of thousands is proof of McCain’s and Palin’s racism and hatred.”

tim I’ve watched a bit of Fox this week, and the embarrassment has even filtered through to some of their presenters.

The presenters are what I ‘lock onto’ as the main shambles at FOX. Their constant ‘feigned natural’ chatter between themselves turns my stomach.

The news service may not be pro Palestinian, pro El Kheida but it is still an embarrassment to anyone of at least mediocre intelligence.

I really get bowled over when they say that they are balanced.

Alec Macpherson – Most hilarious when anti-racism is tried by leering, pin-striped spivs who judge everything on race and religion!

I don’t think that the way they dress has any real bearing on their decisions Alec.

And older people often ‘leer’. You too will be old one day and may very well drool too.

I’m an American Democrat and a liberal, but I am astounded at the utter indifference with which Obama’s various radical associations is met.

I think Obama is arguably of genius-level intelligence, as evidenced by his academic record and particularly his record of accomplishment at Harvard Law.

That being the case, it makes it all the more repugnant that he, a son of a Kenyan immigrant to whom this country has given only ever-increasing opportunities, has:

1) CHOSEN to associate for 20 years with the racist, anti-Semitic Rev. Wright.

2) CHOSEN to associate for 10 years (1995-2005) with an unreprentantly VIOLENT neo-Communist terrorist, Bill Ayers, in a project designed to disburse tens of millions of dollars for Ayers’ purpose of teaching American children what a hopelessly racist, oppressive country AmeriKKKA is.

3) CHOSEN to move to Chicago, one of the most corrupt political cultures into the entire United States, and instead of challenging the established order, hooks up with the Daley machine’s corrupt financier, Tony Rezko, and with an allegedly mafia-related candidate whom Obama endorsed for Illinois State Treasurer.

4) CHOSEN to intervene in Kenyan politics on behalf of his alleged cousin, Odinga, in the midst of a potential civil war there, despite reports that Odinga endorsed imposing Sharia law over the entire country in exchange for radical Islamists’ support.

Now, do a thought experiment and imagine Obama was a son of a Polish or a German immigrant, and that he’d intervened on behalf of, oh say, an alleged neo-Nazi political leader back in his father’s home country during a charged political campaign. Further, imagine this theoretical pseudo-Obama had had a 20-year membership in a white racist, anti-Semitic church.

That’s the unfortunate reality I see with Mr. Obama. Violent neo-Communists like Ayers are acceptable to our political culture in a way that violent white supremacist abortion clinic bombers (Eric Rudolph comes to mind, he’s just as unrepentant as Mr. Ayers is) are not.

I wish Mr. Obama would NOT have chosen such unfortunate associations. But he did, no one at any point held a gun to his head, and the fact that he did so invalidates his fitness to be president in my view just as a white conservative politician hanging with neo-Nazis and abortion clinic bombers would. In fact, if a white politician with European immigrant parentage had engaged in associations anywhere near that of Senator Obama, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion about his Presidential prospects.

And please don’t tell me Mr. Ayers is different than Mr. Rudolph. Both men were radicals, one of the left and one of the right, who sought through violence to show America how wrong it was, and through that violence to cause policy change if not spark off their delusional hope of a revolution. Ayers did not commit murder despite his best efforts to do so, whereas Rudolph more quickly succeeded in inflicting death — that’s the only difference between the two men.

(if you doubt Ayers’ and the Weatherman’s intent to commit murder, just see the bomb they prepared that exploded early and killed three of them, which they were going to set in a NCO dance — ie, sergeants and their dates dancing — at Fort Dix Army Base in NJ)

Most hilarious when anti-racism is tried by leering, pin-striped spivs

What an unkind way to describe HP guru Oliver Kamm, even if he did write in 2005:

“Tighter regulation to constrain footloose capital is mainly a chimera”
http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=7125

Zin What an unkind way to describe HP guru Oliver Kamm, even if he did write in 2005:

Ah.

But does Oliver Kamm leer????

Or dribble???

I don’t think that the way they dress has any real bearing on their decisions Alec.</blockquote<

When they play the fauxialist by night attacking real Leftists online, and then dress as a highly paid corporate headhunter by day, yes it does.

But does Oliver Kamm leer????

Or dribble???

I’ve met Kammo and can confirm that on that occasion he did neither, although to be fair I was quite modestly dressed, and who knows what might have happened if I was showing a bit of leg?

I’ve seen how tight your trousers are Wardy. You were showing leg.

Some people just don’t like it up ‘em
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/10/12/crush-the-obamedia-narrative-look-whos-gripped-by-insane-rage/

Obama Knew It Was Coming All Along

Thunderheart: that’s the unfortunate reality I see with Mr. Obama.

Because if you squint really hard then you’ll see a “reality” that allows you to find reasons not to support Mr Obama. You might be indeed be a Democrat and a liberal but you seem to be viewing the thing through the prism of an unrelenting and deep-seated aversion to Obama that is more common to the extremist right.

Your portrayal of the Kenyan political situation (where, let us remember an election was blatantly rigged for reasons of tribalism and corruption) is an utter travesty. And yet you seem utterly fixated on the chimera of Odinga as some sort of Islamist neo-Nazi (which is itself a not very subtle way of smearing Obama by association). For crying out loud, Odinga was associated with Liberal International rather than the far-right.

http://www.liberal-international.org/newsletter.asp?ia_id=1464#anchor1075

If you’ve been misled, I suggest you look into some more balanced accounts of what happened there (and I apologise if my tone seems a little brusque); if you are trying to mislead others, you probably want to make your talking points at least vaguely plausible (and I’m being far more polite than you deserve).

I’d also guess that Obama moved to Chicago to teach at the really rather well known school law school there rather than because he was dying to rub shoulders with a bunch of shady Democratic politicians.

As for his association with Ayers – it seems pretty tenuous unless you are desperate to pin some sort of dirt, anything, on Obama. Which leaves us with Wright. There’s questions to be asked there, for sure, but I’m afraid someone who is either badly misinformed, or trying to peddle a noxious sort of misinformation, is not the person to ask them.

Thunderheart seems to be a member of a group called “Concerned Democrats for McCain”. A name that conjures up an image of Joe Lieberman, alone, in a run-down motel bedroom. Crying.

P.

Bill Kristol’s recent criticism of McCain’s campaign actually provided a great opportunity for damage control. The campaign spokesmen should have said Kristol was right: that the candidate is better than the campaign. Instead, the top two campaign spokesmen chose to defend the campaign instead of the candidate. What a bonehead, tone deaf move. They are oblivious.

A note to Thunderheart:

The true enemies of McCarthyism were always liberals, not Communists. The neo-McCarthyite smears you posted are completely within that tradition.

Are you aware that you’re laying it on a little thick when you portray the entire city of Chicago as some sort of evil empire? With respect to this Ayers guy: he’s has been described by prominent Chicago rabbi who lives in the same neighborhood (Hyde Park) as a “toothless former radical”. For God’s sake, Ayers is a professor at the University of Chicago and the board he was on with Obama was sponsored by a Republican who was a prominent Reagan supporter (Annenberg) and includes many Republicans. When you (and worse, the McCain campaign) talk about Ayers like he’s bin Laden, it just sounds wacky. Why do you (or anyone) think this should be the most prominent part of a presidential campaign?

While you are anonymous and can post freely without repercussions, I am amazed that serious politicians and columnists have bought into this smear campaign and repeated scurrilous charges largely originating with charlatans. They should know better. It would be in their interest and in the public interest as well for them to correct the record. Why should we waste our time debating BS when there are real issues requiring real debate. We all share the responsibility to frame that debate properly, regardless of who ultimately wins the election.