Harry’s Place

No doubt Martin is Antisemitic scum. No doubt either though that Hannity is a fully signed-up Zionist with many Jewish friends (Sen. Lieberman and Netanyahu to name just two).

Its easy to disparage the message by attacking the messenger. What Martin has to say has a tiny element of truth in that it feeds from a lot of confusing information presented by conspiracy theorists and Obama himslef.

The initial information started when Obama’s book and own words indicated how he behaved in Islamic Studies class and his knowledge of the Koran - reciting it in Arabic.

His first school was labelled a Catholic School and records showed he recorded his religion as Muslim.

He then moved on to another school that commentators have called a “Madrassa”. This is where the claims get wild. To the American public “maddrassa” means “Whabbi sect School” and this means a radicalising Islamic school. However, I have read that both schools were considered secular by the Education Authorities with those who followed a particular religion then ab;e to study their religion. Much the same way as schools used to have Hebrew Classes in certain inner city schools in London, ages ago.

Its fair to say that Obama exhibited a Muslim bias in his earlier years but as a kid you rarely get to choose an alternative religion.

Now, Obama DID slip up in his interview with Stephanopolous when he said “My Muslim faith” instead of “My Christian Faith”. So, Obama certainly doesn’t help his denial of an Islamist thread.

However, his conversion/adoption of Christianity seems genuine and deep.

I will leave a door open though. If you want to be President you HAVE to be seen to be a devout Christian. It would be unusual, given his background, that he wouldn’t have an extra tinge of affinity towards Islam than a McCain or Bush.

In summary, Obama had Muslim roots, not strong ones, then discovered Christianity in his 20’s.

I’d be interested to learn how he made this transition.

Have I been Fair & Balanced on this one?

Being a Muslim would be far better than being a member of a Black Liberation Church. One can easily find Muslims who are reality based and do not run around claiming AIDS is a US government plot.

See this on Obsidian Wings:

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/10/we-report-you-d.html#comments

Its true because Melanie Phillips said so. She said he’s also trying to steal the election. Will someone please protect us from Obama???

Fwiw: Spam email concerning Obama is 6 times more common than spam concerning McCain.
http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2008/10/do-spammers-declare-obama-the.html

he recorded his religion as Muslim

No, he didn’t. His stepfather did.

Apart from that, you actually don’t say much of controversy, and therefore I have no idea why you are defending Andy Martin, other than l’epater les bourgeois.

P.

Obama is a Marxist, Black Liberation Theology type. Which means that he’s essentially neither Christain or Muslim or anything else generally regarded as “religious”. He’s an outrageously dangerous man.

“Obama is a Marxist, Black Liberation Theology type. Which means that he’s essentially neither Christain or Muslim or anything else generally regarded as “religious”. He’s an outrageously dangerous man.”

It’s getting harder to spot these spoofs.

Obama is a Freemason.

How about Obama is a lizard from outer space?

It’s getting harder to spot these spoofs.

Indeed. You or I could write the most ridiculous nonsense about Obama, and some people would be certain to believe it.

Indeed. You or I could write the most ridiculous nonsense about Obama, and some people would be certain to believe it.

But you do, Gene. You do.

Obama is John McCain - why won’t he come clean about being John McCain! How can we trust the world to a man who won’t admit he uis John McCain.

Have you ever seen them in the same room together, hmmm?

Have you ever seen them in the same room together, hmmm?

Well, yes, but it was on the same TV that they faked the moon landin…. OH MY GOD THEY’RE F*CKING WITH OUR HEADS!

My theory is that Obama was cloned from both Malcolm X and Abbie Hoffman. Actually, no, I think Malcolm X impregnated Affie Hoffman, who was actually a F->M transexual.

Feel free to distribute this idea in a newsletter.

P.

Have you ever seen them in the same room together, hmmm?

Very Weak! They are in the same room for debate - fool!

listening to American Talk radio, it it clear that the pro-McCain camp would throw ANY stupid, ignorant accusation at Obama

if Obama had jaywalked when he was 6 then they’d probably bring that up too, there is no politics, no sense to these accusations, it is just the worst form of muckraking

I’ll bet that less than 2% of European politicians could stand the intense level of scrutiny and vilification that American Presidential candidates are subject to?

I am just waiting for someone to post that Obama is the anti-Christ and the son of Satan, that is the appalling apolitical level of this type of abuse

“I am just waiting for someone to post that Obama is the anti-Christ and the son of Satan,”

Holy mother of Christ, how did we forget that one?

I am just waiting for someone to post that Obama is the anti-Christ

I can’t be bothered to Google it, but there are people who have suggested just that.

Gene

Sean Hannity is pro Israel and a genuine friend of the Jewish community.
Anyone who listens to his show picks that up quickly.

Now that we have established Martin as a delusional Jew hater the UCU should offer him a job.

I am just waiting for someone to post that Obama is the anti-Christ and the son of Satan, that is the appalling apolitical level of this type of abuse

Well Farrakahn recently called Him (!) the Messiah!

..from the NYT piece:

“For instance, he said, he did not necessarily ascribe to a widely circulated e-mail message from the Israeli right-wing activist Ruth Matar, which includes the false assertion, ‘If Obama were elected, he would be the first Arab-American president.’”

Shouldn’t that be “subscribe” rather than “ascribe”?

Mod, what American Talk radio stations do you listen to and when. I listen several hours a night. If you tell me you listen to Alan Colmes I’ll scream!!!!

Shouldn’t that be “subscribe” rather than “ascribe”?

Blame it on the cutbacks in the struggling newspaper industry. There are lots more of these mistakes than there used to be.

Mod, what American Talk radio stations do you listen to and when. I listen several hours a night.

Explains so very much.

Look, when Obama becomes president he bloody better enslave the white man and make off with your daughters, because after what’s been said about him, I for one will be very disappointed if he didn’t.

“Look, when Obama becomes president he bloody better enslave the white man and make off with your daughters, because after what’s been said about him, I for one will be very disappointed if he didn’t.”

And I shall demand the return of all that money I’ve been illegally funnelling to him as part of my international Marxist Black Liberation (Wahhabis only) Revolution.

Wahhabi??? You mean he owns a factory makes that japanese stuff you put on sushi?? Thats totally evil dude.

My own theory is that McCain is Dr Benway, and Palin is a cyborg.

http://www.slate.com/id/2202163/

Even Hitchens is backing away now…

I am just waiting for someone to post that Obama is the anti-Christ

I know you think you think that is parody which couldn’t be mistaken for real-life, but some nut did start a Obama is the Anti-Christ, which CNN then reported on:

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/CNN_Since_McCain_ad_Obama_Antichrist_0815.html

The urban myth-debunking site, Snopes, even has a page on it:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/antichrist.asp

Cue Maven, saying that there might be something in the accusation and that we are typical liberal haters for dismissing the idea.

P.

Mod, what American Talk radio stations do you listen to and when. I listen several hours a night.

Explains so very much

That’s right. It explains your knowledge gap and ‘from a distance’ admiration for someone you don’t know much about except “he isn’t Bush”.

Wahhabi??? You mean he owns a factory makes that japanese stuff you put on sushi?? Thats totally evil dude.

My own theory is that McCain is Dr Benway, and Palin is a cyborg.

For the confused, Wasabi is a green mustard paste mixed with soy sauce and dabbed around sushi and sashimi.

Maven-san, somewhere near Rondon!

Wednesday could be a firecracker debate. McCain has just said that he will kick Obama’s you-know-what. I concede it could the last throw of the dice when you haven’t got anything to lose.

Wednesday could be a firecracker debate. McCain has just said that he will kick Obama’s you-know-what.

Bucket?

That’s what we thought last time though.

Apparently McCain has been studying up on Johnny Cochran’s techniques for this time.

who do I listen to?

hardly any of the liberal radio stations, most are blocked or hard to get, so:

Glenn Beck, Hannity, Savage, O’Reilly, Bill Bennett, Medved, Mike McConnell, Prager, Hugh Hewlett and much more

some are smart and thoughtful, others just demagogues of the worst kind and many sound as if they almost believe “there be dragons” a few miles outside of American territorial waters

it is a strange experience to hear a few of them propound on Europe or other places, as they are expert, whereas their knowledge seems to have come from a poorly written, inaccurate page of Wiki

still that’s entertainment

Better than the guys I used to hear on WWCR on Shortwave 5.070 MegaHertz - right up there with Jack.D.Ripper…..

I miss those shortwave nights on the farm…..

if Obama had jaywalked when he was 6 then they’d probably bring that up too, there is no politics, no sense to these accusations, it is just the worst form of muckraking

Desperate!
There are very serious issues that the Obamababies have been ducking for ages, from Wright (’he didn’t realise what Wright was saying’) to his refusal to disclose a whole raft of documents, etc etc.

Obama an “Arab”, as McCain had to correct someone for suggesting?

The lady in question probably meant that he was a Muslim (most of whom are not Arabs, while by no means all Arabs are Muslims). He’s not. But what if he were? There are far more Muslims in America than, for example, Episcopalians such as McCain.

The problem is not that many Americans do not know what their own country is really like these days. It is that they do know. Perfectly well.

And the real political issue is this: the continuing hegemony of those, such as the Bushes and the Clintons, who are literally bankrolled by the likes of Kuwait, the UAE and, above all, Saudi Arabia (whence came the 9/11 attacks)? Or Obama, who isn’t?

Obamamerica or Amerarabia: which is it to be?

Just to add that there are of course about a million more Arabs than Jews in America, although as it happens Obama is neither. That is what America is really like, whether McCain/Clinton supporters like it or not.

The question is about being run by Arab regimes, as under a Clinton and a Bush. Obamerica or Amerarabia: which is it to be?

who do I listen to?

Glenn Beck, Hannity, Savage, O’Reilly, Bill Bennett, Medved, Mike McConnell, Prager, Hugh Hewlett and much more

On my list too!

May recommend and absolute MUST. The daddy of them all! Mark Levin (he pronounces it Le Vin). Some of his rant monologues are true gems. He calls the Antisemites out. He called the National Association of Women , The National Association of Ugly Women. They complained. Then apologised the next day because they should be called The National Asociation of Very Ugly Women! A very dry sense of humour and not afraid to speak out.

Orthodox Jewish enough to not do the 2nd hour of his show on Yom Kippur. I’ve often gone to bed with him! WABC syndicates him after Hannity. Hannity is on WABC 8pm to 11pm and then Levin from 11:00pm to 1:00am.

He actually doesn’t like McCain but hates Obama more! A self-declared Reagan Conservative

BTW - I used to listen to Talksport and 5Live. Then I realised that a station that loses Charlie Woolf, Mike Mendoza and sacks Whale (although he started to become even more anti-Israel) - but keeps Galloway is a station diving into shit. 5Live is like listening to The Independent on the air.

USA Talk radio is stimulating and fast moving. I am suprised at the number of high profile politicians who just happen to drop in for 3-4 minutes. The difference is that commentators are allowed to have political opinions and even call politicians liars. That is the way it should be and that is what makes it interesting.

They say that Obama wants to try and stop that by law.

I wonder if that’s Mod’s experience. Surely, if any of you want to debate the election sensibly then listening to USA media is going to make you better informed (Gene - with whom I share many OTHER affinities)

Desperate!
There are very serious issues that the Obamababies have been ducking for ages, from Wright (’he didn’t realise what Wright was saying’) to his refusal to disclose a whole raft of documents, etc etc.

Why wouldn’t an apparently fit 44 year old Presidential candidate publish his medical records. A tradition followed by all presidential candidates. I believe McCain released something like 6-800 pages of his!

What does Obama have to hide? Can we speculate on drug addiction, sexual function or sexual infections? Surely, its because its something embarrassing.

Its not that we want to know for prurient reasons but because its the accepted norm to release the medical records warts and all. That’s it!!! Warts!!!!

LOL!!!

(Oxfordian, thanks for kind comments on the Syd Walker thread)

who do I listen to?

On my list too!

The difference, Maven, is that modernity recognizes that they are largely full of shit, and you don’t.

“He called the National Association of Women , The National Association of Ugly Women. They complained. Then apologised the next day because they should be called The National Asociation of Very Ugly Women!”

OMFG, he called feminists ugly! Thhat’s genius. And does he do the funny camp voice when a gayer comes on?

“A very dry sense of humour…”

You don’t really know what that is, do you?

If Obama has a wasabi factory, he cannot be far from chrein.
http://www.wishbonegraphics.com/adminnm/anmviewer.asp?a=937&print=yes
Vote Obama!
Because chicken soup IS politics.

indeed Gene, that’s my point

but what I find scary and I do have a few reservations about Obama, is that given the state of things it really comes down to Obama vs. Palin

McCain probably wouldn’t see out a second term and if during his first term he was incapacitated then Palin, as the VP, would automatically become President

that is really troublesome

Palin makes Dan Quayle seem like Plato** by comparison

Palin as President of the US of A is a chilling thought

** that Plato the Greek sage, not the planet :)

Todd and I eat off a Plato, in front of the TV on a Saturday night.

S.Palin.

Maven

Levin and Hannity admit to being influenced by local NYC talk legend Bob Grant. Grant has mellowed somewhat but unlike the others he actually reads the books of his guests.

The best show of them all was Batchelor and Alexander. The new Batchelor show is very good but he was much better when paired with
Alexander.

Most areas in America do have some local drive shows. When I was in Vermont the local show was still the relatively conservative Charlie and Ernie. The locals liked some show called the war room but since I returned to NYC I can’t find it.

The difference, Maven, is that modernity recognizes that they are largely full of shit, and you don’t.

Its truly pathetic that you are so abusive towards me. You seem like someone with whom you can’t have a political difference with, without you descending to a base level attack.

And in SO many ways you remind me of the Obama Kool Aid drinkers who are just hypnotised zombies. “When can’t respond intelligently - then respond abusively”.

You truly belittle yourself by feeling the need to suggest I’m ‘full of shit’ without acknowledging the contributions I make to a wide number of debates (with a recognised tongue-in-cheek style).

Do you REALLY have only hate for me Gene? Am I no better than a Flanker, a Syd Walker and those other genuine Antisemite hate mongerers.

Shame on you! Shame!

NYC talk legend Bob Grant

Ahhh! Bob Grant. He’s sooo laid-back and I agree he is masterful in his wide knowledge.

I mentioned WABC. Well Bob is on from 1:00am to about 3:00 am UK time and Luara Ingram from then until about 6:00am.

Maven - Gene said The difference, Maven, is that modernity recognizes that they are largely full of shit, and you don’t.

So when you say You truly belittle yourself by feeling the need to suggest I’m ‘full of shit’ without acknowledging the contributions I make to a wide number of debates your pathetic self-pity is only going to provide amusement for people like me who think you’re an ignorant right-wing ass (who makes mainly stupid and/or vicious contributions to any debate).

Learn to read fuckwit, before you start blubbing next time.

Learn to read fuckwit, before you start blubbing next time.

Amusing. I erroneously felt I was being abused due to the psychological mechanism known as sub-conscious deletion where the subconscious may unknowingly delete sense and tense from a sentence. What you cannot know is the screen resolution I used to read the original and how the words assembled themselves on my screen, so exacerbating the effect.

I can read and as for being a ‘fuckwit’ I’ll put my IQ up against any of you. Interesting that instead of gently pointing out my mistake you just felt a need to pile in with abuse. Look I don’t mind THAT much as I’m more than capable of indulging in the vilest put-down myself I just think that at times its not necessary.

The sun will still rise and I’ll be happy I’m me and not you!

Geodesic - as intelligent as he is civilised.

The point, surely, is that Gene thinks that people Maven agrees with must be full of shit, simply because Gene disagrees with them.

Obama was (is?) a member of Jeremiah Wright’s Church for 20 years. He regards him as his spiritual mentor.

He has said as much. I’m dissapointed that HP cpmmentators decided to mock my points in such an assine way for simply pointing out the truth about NEO.

Come on then! Tell me he didn’t attend a black supremacist church for 20 years?

Tell me he didn’t hang with Bill Ayers. Tell me is isn’t dangerously left-wing.

Tell me why a “Community Organiser” (what is one anyway? - a racially motivated demogogue seems my best understanding)

And explain how that ilk such as ACORN didn’t play their role in sub-prime by begging, lying, cheating and bullying banks to lend to people who shouldn’t have been lent a quarter for a Coke? And using certain lkaws in order to do it.

Tell me all these things. Don’t belittle yourselves by bringin-up “antichrists”.

nah, Nick, you’re right, McCain keeling over and Palin as President is a better option. I can see that… Hmm

Not answering the question Modernity.

Isn’t it ironic that the NYT has spent much more time and effort, column space and investigative resourcesa investigating some random nut than a candidate for the presidency of the US?

Kinda telling isn’t it?

To quote someone at the corner:

“I guess I can’t blame the Times for not investigating Obama, though. I mean they are kept so busy with Andy Martin and crazy lunatics at Republican rallies that calmly voice concern about an Obama presidency. I mean they have a finite amount of investigative resources - can’t waste them on a barely known presidential candidate with criminal, racist, radical, terrorist associates. That would be sheer madness!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!”

It’s the sheer number of exclamation marks that makes that comment so persuasive.

When can we start talking about witchcraft, end times, book censorship and skin cancer?

re: am I no better than flanker et al.

based on your comments here and elsewhere, no.

you think because they’re anti-semitic and you’re not that you’re “better.” You’re not because though you’re not anti-semitic, you’re anti- a whole bunch of other things — so why should you think you’re better.

my original name for you was correct: Nisht-a-maven.

and by the way, talk radio in the U.S.A., where I lived for three years, is the audio equivalent of “dumb and dumber.” your continuous “kool aid” remarks — which i suspect originate from one of those shows — indicate you listen to altogether too much of it.

gene, you’re spoddon.

The constant tension within certain Eurabian fantasists:-

So this -

‘He prepared to run as a Democrat for Congress in Connecticut, where paperwork for one of his campaign committees listed as one purpose “to exterminate Jew power”‘

“I am able to understand how the Holocaust took place, and with every passing day feel less and less sorry that it did.”

…has to compete with this…

‘But, he wrote of Mr. Obama, “it may well be that his concealment is meant to endanger Israel.” He added, “His Muslim religion would obviously raise serious questions in many Jewish circles’

Pity their poor heads

Vildechaye

The Maven is smarter than you or Gene will ever be.

Talk Radio is a market driven alternative media and represents a wide variety of shows most of which you know little or nothing about and in fact are local. The equivalent of your broad generalizations is comparing
all blogs to the rubbish spewed by the folks at Counterpunch.

The episode on this blog and the recent spate of libel tourism indicates
that in the UK you lack the freedoms Americans take for granted. It did
not matter that the information you reported was factually correct a mere bit of legal terrorism shut down this site. Do the people benefit from having books with held from the UK market due to the crazy libel
laws of the UK that you criticized.

Talk radio is an important check on the far left elite media dominance.
It allows the people of the United States to voice their opinions and in some cases let the elite in DC know the pulse of the nation. It helped derail an immigration bill that the American people were against. It also
helped spread the message about a fraud perpetuated by CBS news on the eve of an election.

I am glad Vildechaya lived in the United States and proclaims himself
some type of expert on our vast nation and media. You can read the income and educational demographics of talk radio listeners in many articles. You may not like Limbaugh, but his show has a wide audience appeal that goes beyond Conservatives.

If the market were functioning properly there would be a variety of news view points. FOX grew by positioning itself differently from other
media and Conservatives should have their own media outlets in a functional market.

I understand that you do not like American talk radio. Does anyone force you or anyone else to listen? As far as your disdain for Limbaugh
or Hannity you are entitled to your own opinion. From this side of the pond it sounds like ill informed elitist arrogance. The Hannity show in particular has far more liberal guests regularly and is more debate oriented than the other shows. Charles Rangel and all the other leftist types are given plenty of space to present their views and challenge the host.

Shlepper When can we start talking about witchcraft, end times, book censorship and skin cancer?

You forget the mole on your unmentionable.

Clap Hammer: You, Hannity and Martin can kiss it as far as I am concerned.

Shot any wolves from a plane lately?

Beakerkin: First of all, thanks for sharing your useful opinion of my intelligence (and of Maven’s, that individual is a true point of light). Second, I’m canadian not british; and third, your spirited defence of the indefensible (i.e. the abusive crap that passes for political discussion on the “dumb and dumber” american right wing radio spectrum: methinks thou dost protest too much.

I lived there, I listened for three years; I fled… in other words i voted with my feet, and you can’t argue against that.

All the “gentlemen” you named are bullies who use their loud mouths and control of the buttons to distort “debate” and dumb down the american public. and it’s working.

i did agree with your analogy of counterpoint. i believe they are the left wing equivalent, though without the power that the right-wing media (because the USA is, inherently, a conservative country).

finally, snce i don’t listen, which one of thoice fine dim right-wing radio hosts you admire did coin the “kool-aid drinkers” moniker. it also contributes so much to the discussion and is so original

Still no correction of the “ascribe/subscribe” error in the NYT piece. Odd.