Harry's Place

Yes. Isn’t it odd that such loonies nevertheless manage to produce good art?

Surely, David T., Walker’s first sentence is the best.

I have sent out a request that Barack Obama, or Michelle Obama, get in touch with me.

No, not really, being exposed to the inspiration that is required of an artist can often be close to lunacy.

That is why we both admire and respect artists, and at the same time don’t usually want them as rulers.

Still, I more or less agree with her. Far better, more decent, more reasonable, more humane that bin Laden be brought to trial and made an example of than that he is killed.

Bloodlust and vengeance have no place in a civilised society.

Bloodlust and vengeance have no place in a civilised society.

Easy for you to say from the comfort of your gated community.

To the surprise of both Mr McCain and Mr Obama, apparently, millions of people in the world don’t believe that Osama bin Laden bombed the twin towers and the Pentagon.

Not to me.

“Far better, more decent, more reasonable, more humane that bin Laden be brought to trial and made an example of than that he is killed.”

I kind of like the idea that anyone within 500 meters of Bin Laden should feel skittish.

Was she the one on Newsnight last night who was doing some kind of bizarre dance when the camera cut to her for an interview? How Paxman didn’t piss himself laughing I’ll never know.

Well, it’s an ideal – even if it’s not a realizable one in practice. But I think she’s right: leaders of democracies who go round talking of targeted assassinations and such like should be condemned, not embraced.

“leaders of democracies who go round talking of targeted assassinations and such like should be condemned, not embraced.”

Leaders of democracies generally don’t. It’s candidates who say those things.

Slightly off topic, but I recall reading The Colour Purple when it was first published and believing it to be an excellent book.

Ven, as I recall, you supported the invasion of Iraq. So, what’s the line? Dropping ordnance which, quite conceivably, kill bystanders is a case of not realizing “an ideal”, but tracking down and killing a named individual rather than the wide-bore approach is to be condemned?

Could it be that, like millions of children around the globe, who are taught “Thou shalt not kill”, I am reacting with disappointment and shock to someone blatantly declaring their intention to kill a specific person?

If she’s reaction with disappointment, she should reacquaint herself with the derivation of the Sixth Commandment (or Fifth, depending on your predilection).

Mr Obama quite often says “We’ll ‘take out’ Osama bin Laden” and this is far better than saying “We will kill him”. It is a metaphor.

Yet it’s a given that people will be killed in such a circumstance, but it’s alright because sugary words are used. Add moral cowardice to Troofing.

Hmm. I suppose one can talk about hypocrisy being the tribute that vice pays to virtue (I am half-English after all) . but she’s right – he shouldn’t have been so blunt or direct.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=o-zoPgv_nYg

I want nutters like Alice Walker to be disappointed by Obama.

You know, I wonder if its possible to show at least some decorum? To avoid personally insulting an acclaimed, multi-award winning like Alice Walker with a playground insult? Is it necessary?

She has contributed a great deal and inspired many by her work and life (whatever her views on this). Just because you disagree with her view here, it does not mean you have to sound like Richard Littlejohn. Why not disagree without stooping to personal insults?

It’s called sabre-rattling.

“You know, I wonder if its possible to show at least some decorum? To avoid personally insulting an acclaimed, multi-award winning like Alice Walker with a playground insult? Is it necessary?”

Seriously, people. Where are your manners?

Sean Penn. Great actor. Total fucking lunatic. Moron.

Oops.

Obama’s statement about killing Bin Laden was macho posturing in an age of cable news.

Here’s an snippet from a very interesting Newsweek essay on the campaign:

“Obama bridled at the sometimes mindless rituals and one-upmanship of a national political campaign in the age of cable news. He resented the pressure he felt to declare, as he put it to NEWSWEEK, that you “want to bomb the hell out of someone” to show toughness on terrorism.”

http://www.newsweek.com/id/167582/output/print

Obama’s was simply taking part in the mindless ritual to show his “toughness”.

Nicolson Baker, can write wonderful pieces about which shoelace breaks first. David Edgar, fantastic playwright. Complete maniacs.

Ed Wood, awful director. Lovely bloke.

Obama’s was simply taking part in the mindless ritual to show his “toughness”.

Oh hell.

It reminds me of the oft-repeated story from the Carter years, when Charles Beckwith was briefing the White House on the Teheran hostage-rescue mission. Beckwith was describing entering the embassy, in detail. Delta Force, would “shoot” anyone here and “shoot” anyone there.
Warren Christopher asks, “You mean, kill them?”
“Uh. Yes.”
“Can’t you just shoot them in the leg or something?”

You know, I wonder if its possible to show at least some decorum? To avoid personally insulting an acclaimed, multi-award winning like Alice Walker with a playground insult? Is it necessary?

In which Benji calls for a return to deference…

Or use harsh language, Mesquito.

I find it ironic that Ms Walker is raving about the importance of loving people, seeing as she neglected and abandoned her own daughter.

“Disarm and submit, you goshdarn terrorists!”

I suppose she may well be a heir to Rousseau in other ways too

So begins a long thread of abuse and insults, at today’s designated target. One of HP’s traditions, I guess. Let’s just say Alice Walker will always use the English language more beautifully, have more of worth to say with it, and inspire more people through it, than David T will ever manage.

So begins a long thread of abuse and insults, at today’s designated target. One of HP’s traditions, I guess.

Fuck Off Benji you Cunt.

David, despite my partisan pre-election stance I have hope and support for Obama. Some of the debate here in the USA is about whether Obama will pay-back all those who supported him. I haven’t checked this yet but I saw a news item that moveon.org have made a statement equating to “we raised you $xm and you better deliver”.

i believe in Obama having radical roots but I ALSO believe that we might regard those roots as experimentation and a mode for a time and that as POTUS he has to deal with events and practicalities rather than creating some Socialist Republic of The USA.

So, its not a suprise that some nutters are already detecting that Obama might not deliver radical agendas that were part of the support sign-up.

What comes across is that Obama is Presidential and Presidents have to deliver what’s best for the USA. If he discovers he can’t deliver tax cuts or withdraw troops as fast as he said because his advisors argue they can’t.

There is a dynamic between pay-back for his victory and the reality of doing what’s best at the time.

So begins a long thread of abuse and insults, at today’s designated target. One of HP’s traditions, I guess. Let’s just say Alice Walker will always use the English language more beautifully, have more of worth to say with it, and inspire more people through it, than David T will ever manage.

Damn. That’s beautifully crafted, Benj.

P.Z. Myers has exploded already.

“Obama is a conservative/centrist Democrat who will at best implement a small shift in American policies”

That is why we both admire and respect artists, and at the same time don’t usually want them as rulers.

Well exactly. Imagine if an artist ended up in charge of Germany or something.

Or maybe she’s just a goofy old lady with a flair for words, who seems disappointed that Obama doesn’t shower us with the same kind of love that Castro does.

i believe in Obama having radical roots

Oh, please tell me what they are, and don’t mention Bill Ayers.

I think he tried to implement death penalty reform in Illinois, shock horror. If he was from a 1960s civil rights background (shock horror) people would get all stressed about that – Jesse Jackson is the usual bete noir pressed into service there – but he’s not from there.

Benji you extraordinary prick, could you perhaps draw up some sort of chart that identifies which artists are to be declared immune from criticism and which aren’t? What exactly is the criteria?

Where does Tim Robbins fit in? Is John Wayne included? What about Pinter? Is Wayne Rooney an ‘artist’? Joey Barton? Do you mean just famous people? Is there to be a punishment for criticizing them?

You post endlessly here, but of all the dreary, insufferable and almost mesmerizingly irritating bilge that pumps out of you, I do believe this latest ‘suggestion’ is the most pathetic and pointless yet.

Watching a tv interview with al Sharpton and balanced with Michael Steele I realise that the Black community feel this is a vote for Black over White and somehow a Black agenda should be a focus for Obama whereas the reality is that this is a victory for Democrat over Republican.
After all, he couldn’t have got elected without a White vote.

Watching a tv interview with al Sharpton and balanced with Michael Steele I realise that the Black community feel this is a vote for Black over White and somehow a Black agenda should be a focus for Obama whereas the reality is that this is a victory for Democrat over Republican.
After all, he couldn’t have got elected without a White vote.

“Obama is a conservative/centrist Democrat who will at best implement a small shift in American policies”

Seems a fair enough assessment so far, at least the centrist part. But this was the great misunderstanding about Howard Dean too: big hoo haa about his anti-war stance, but apart from that, essentially a New Democrat who implemented some neat ideas on campaigning and fundraising. Someone said he was like the Wright Brothers, and Obama took it on an Appollo mission.

“Let’s just say Alice Walker will always use the English language more beautifully, have more of worth to say with it, and inspire more people through it, than David T will ever manage.”

If this were true, David T really would have something to worry about. Alice Walker is a sobbingly bad writer and delivers nothing but tired cliches and second-rate mysticism in her broken-backed prose.

Reminds me of the day Bush was first elected and I listened to someone in the supermarket telling everyone who would listen that nuclear war was days away.

Come now, Meredith. Are you saying that literary reputations are often built of baloney? I find this crushing.

Benji you extraordinary prick, could you perhaps draw up some sort of chart that identifies which artists are to be declared immune from criticism and which aren’t?

That was precisely not what I was saying. Anyone can be criticised. Moreover, there are critics, and there are critics – only some critics end up sounding like Richard Littlejohn.

Graham, in Cincinnati they were yelling about the return of slavery!

I am so sorry, Mesquito, that it had to be me who scraped the scales from your eyes.

Thou shalt not kill..We are not likely to accept the “killer” (even if the killing is done in our defence…In a Christian nation, this is what most of us learn.

This commandment was not framed by Christians. Pedantic but, in the original, it says thou shalt not MURDER: Unlawful killing. Killing in self defence is lawful. It is not murder. What constitutes self defence is a matter for debate. But as for the presumption and arrogance of the supersessionist religion in claiming moral authority from and ownership of this commandment- if you don’t like what it really says, go and get yourself your own commandment. Thou shalt not take out, is a suggestion.

“Anyone can be criticised. ”

What, including fifth-rate, poetasters with delusions of grandeur who dare to pontificate about human rights while promoting Fidel Castro as the ideal of a political leader?

That last was a bit overreaching. I should have confined my ire to ignorant members of the Christian faith- there are many non Hebrew or Aramaic speaking Jews who are also ignorant of the meaning. Probably misdirected intense irritation at the pomposity of Benji’s latest sanctimony which got to me.

I see Obama has appointed his own Alistair Campbell style attack dog as his Chief of Staff. Wonder how long the softly softly reputation will survive in the more open reporting they have over there.

And I have to say this, it is good news that Americans have voted in a man of colour as President but that fact alone (his skin colour) does not make him more moral or more skilful or more intelligent than anyone else and not even his most ardent supporters could claim he has age and experience on his side.

The US political system often seems to me to function as an interlocking web of patronage and in that web the patrons, who may not be from the liberal elite, can often pull the strings. As we have seen with Wall Street and Clinton in the past.

And for those who have short memories I will remind you that Duya came to power intending to pull back from costly wars abroad. Then along came 9/11. (Whoever was responsible!) Now we have Putin sabre rattling over missile shields.

When the US perceives a threat to its security, all its presidents operate the same way. Do the stoppers and the liberal intelligensia really think Obama has gone over to their side?

“And for those who have short memories I will remind you that Duya came to power intending to pull back from costly wars abroad. ”

We already know, surely, that Obama is, in important respects, more hawkish that Bush. A willingness touniltarally attack targets within the terrirtories of allies is very radical, and further than Busg ever went (explicitly at least).

Mr Obama quite often says “We’ll ‘take out’ Osama bin Laden” and this is far better than saying “We will kill him”.

Does anyone else remember “Mr Jolly Lives Next Door”?

It occurs to me that there might still be people on here who think that Alice Walker has some sort of literary talent, so I thought I would post one of her poems. I know this will hurt, tiny human midgets, but it will do you good in the long run. Make a parka for your soul and enjoy:

Expect nothing. Live frugally
On surprise.
become a stranger
To need of pity
Or, if compassion be freely
Given out
Take only enough
Stop short of urge to plead
Then purge away the need.

Wish for nothing larger
Than your own small heart
Or greater than a star;
Tame wild disappointment
With caress unmoved and cold
Make of it a parka
For your soul.

Discover the reason why
So tiny human midget
Exists at all
So scared unwise
But expect nothing. Live frugally
On surprise.

We already know, surely, that Obama is, in important respects, more hawkish that Bush.

Since Obama has not even been to the White House, far from being inaugurated, we know nothing of the sort. The point is (regarding Bush too) we don’t really know what these guys are like until they take power.

“Since Obama has not even been to the White House, far from being inaugurated, we know nothing of the sort.”

It is true that we can’t know what he will do when in office, but rhetorically, at least, he is more hawkish than Bush in some respects, I think we can agree on that.

I know this will hurt, tiny human midgets, but it will do you good in the long run. Make a parka for your soul and enjoy:

*ears bleed and brains dribble out*

Fox News has a new criticism of Obama supporters.
Apparently they’ve been buying up yesterdays collectible newspapers and selling them on ebay.
The first steps on the road to socialism…

“Make of it a parka/ For your soul” probably sounds a lot better spoken with a POETRY SLAM! voice.

What Ami said.

I find killing terrorists very reasonable.
Unless they surrender, in which case if I shoot them I would be commiting murder. Which is expressely forbidden in the real version of the Bible. You know, the version in Hebrew, not in English, Greek or Latin.

You can of course, ask a Marine to approach Bin Laden unarmed and present the other cheek. It is up to you Ven to convince the Marine.

Unless they surrender, in which case if I shoot them I would be commiting murder.

You are aware that the proscribed punishment for said terrorists under the Geneva convention is summary execution?

I want to see them starving,
The so-called working class;
Their weekly wages halving,
Their women stewing grass.

When I go out each morning
In one of my new suits
I want to find them fawning
To clean my car and boots

I don’t actually agree with Philip Larkin there, but I thought the banality of Alice Walker’s poem demanded something to redress the balance.

To Alice Walker.

Thank you our own black Cerces
For your deeply moving verses.
Pouring out soaring,
Lofty, airy, shimmering words,
purple hued like finest songbirds,
Comparable to
A dirigible. Evoking feelings like that of
Benjamin Zephaniah, or Anna Akhmatov-
-a, with phrasing of such delicacy
it will remain part of our legacy,
Simultaneously elegaic, but hip
Tumescent with craftsmanship.
No anorak, she, her verses
Will go down in history.

To Alice Walker.

Thank you our own black Cerces
For your deeply moving verses.
Pouring out soaring,
Lofty, airy, shimering words,
purple hued like finest songbirds,
Comparable to
A dirigible. Evoking feelings like that of
Benjamin Zephaniah, or Anna Akhmatov-
-a, with phrasing of such delicacy
it will remain part of our legacy,
Simultaneously elegaic, but hip
Tumescent with craftsmanship.
No anorak, she, her verses
Will go down in history.

“You are aware that the proscribed punishment for said terrorists under the Geneva convention is summary execution?”

Indeed. I will apply Geneva or the Tanach depending how angry I am that day.

Geneva talks about sabotage, not terrorism if I am not mistaken.

Geneva talks about sabotage, not terrorism if I am not mistaken.

Any acts not carried out in Mufti and not in Uniform.

err, carried out in Mufti even,

What is Mufti?

Unless they surrender, in which case if I shoot them I would be commiting murder.
In fact George Bush’s statement on Bin Laden if I recall correctly, was more in keeping with this correct expression of the law, than Obama.
He said to bring him back dead or alive. This can be interpreted as: if poss, alive, or if he resists, dead.

The disappointment needs to be nipped in the bud.

If people had wanted Clinton, then they would have voted for him/her/it, in all his/her/its racist, rabble rousing ghastliness.

The offering of jobs to old hands from the NAFTA-GATT-warmongering regime must be nipped in the bud.

Surely not in in mufti or uniform is in the bufti?

What is Mufti?

Out of, or not in, military uniform, basically.

When the US perceives a threat to its security, all its presidents operate the same way. Do the stoppers and the liberal intelligensia really think Obama has gone over to their side?

No, they just think he’s a damn sight better than the currrent guy.

D. Lindsay, that made even less sense than your usual drivel.

Thanks, Morgoth.
Uniform is not required by Geneva, only some visible identification as combatant.

Uniform is not required by Geneva, only some visible identification as combatant.

Balaclavas don’t count for these purposes.

Here’s a Walkerism from the article that I didn’t even notice at first (expectations are set so low):

“We are used to seeing men in the White House soon become juiceless and as white-haired as the building”

I am willing to accept that the White House is juiceless, but I want to see evidence that it is white-haired.

Didn’t this ‘writer’ win a prize somewhere? Was it for hopscotch or something?

Fabian, then you might consider following the news occasionally.

Someone over on my blog actually asked if Harry’s Place still existed following the Obama victory. Not a bad question.

Much like “Does the House of Saud still exist following the Obama victory?”, “Does Zionism still exist following the Obama victory?”, “Do the Clintons still exist following the Obama victory?”, and many more besides.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw6wiF8WG08

“Someone over on my blog” = “David Lindsay asking himself questions, using a sock puppet”

Someone over on my blog actually asked if Harry’s Place still existed following the Obama victory. Not a bad question.

Much like “Does the House of Saud still exist following the Obama victory?”, “Does Zionism still exist following the Obama victory?”, “Do the Clintons still exist following the Obama victory?”, and many more besides.

I think I can have a stab at answering these:

1) Yes, it does.
2) Yes, it does.
3) Yes, it does.
4) Yes, they do.

“Someone over on my blog” = “David Lindsay asking himself questions, using a sock puppet”

Ha ha ha.

Just to make a change from all those questions whose answer is “yes”, here’s one from somebody called “emmett” on David Lindsay’s blog:

Would you agree with me that the enthusiasm manifested in the election of Barack Obama is very likely to see its British parallel in forthcoming electoral success for the British People’s Alliance?

Obama will be the biggest disappointment in all of american political history and the reason for it is simple: secular messianism.

The whole thing reeks of it, the stench just wafts up into ones nostrils.

It prompts otherwise normal individuals to engage in foolish speculation and to behave rashly in situations where they’d normally exercise caution.

Obama can’t deliver on his messiah status, and the expectations are such that images of icarus come to mind.

This golden boy will crash and burn; in two years time he’ll already be a lame duck president and probably the most embarassing one America has ever had.

Actually, over on my blog this afternoon, there has been a fascinating exchange about Cardinal York – or, as he called himself, “Henry IX of Great Britain and Ireland” – arising out of a post on Obama’s vistory. We are an erudite lot over there.

Wardytron, the people who voted both for Obama’s economic and foreign policies, and for things like the Florida Marriage Amendment, have decided this election. They are the mainstream in any Western country, including Britain. We are the mainstream in any Western country, including Britain. All we need is someone to vote for.

Any President or other politician is disappointing somehow. Everyone understands that if they are old enough to vote.

You know, I wonder if its possible to show at least some decorum? To avoid personally insulting an acclaimed, multi-award winning like Alice Walker with a playground insult? Is it necessary?

Ah, so it’s a different standard for someone you like, again, Benji?

***sings the word hypocrite***

She has contributed a great deal and inspired many by her work and life (whatever her views on this). Just because you disagree with her view here, it does not mean you have to sound like Richard Littlejohn. Why not disagree without stooping to personal insults?

It seems John P. is the only one here willing to point out the obvious, namely the mindless messianism of vast numbers of Obama supporters. And this mindlessness of “hopey-ness” extends to people who should ostensibly know better. I’ve lost count of the numbers of those supposedly “experienced” and “intelligent, well-educated” commentators who READILY ACKNOWLEDGE that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in Obama’s past that would lead one to believe that he is anything but an extreme left-wing ideologue heavily influenced by Communists, Socialists, anarco–terrorists, and the Chicago political machine– whether by voting record, public utterances, or associations–yet somehow “hope” that he will somehow govern “realistically”
from the center in a bi-partisan fashion…..it reminds me of the German Generals planning Operation Barbarossa when advised that there could not be enough winter fur-lined boots and great-coats produced in time. “Well,” one mused wistfully, “perhaps we will have a mild winter.”

First of all if anyone wants to look at a failed “Socialist” state..look at Cuba. Don’t believe me? Then go to Miami and talk with those who escaped. Not to mention diversity is perversity. The only award I would give her is a Reward Zone card for Best Buy. Decorum and putting up with what these useless communist wanna-bes spout, is one the reasons that having to deal with their tripe continues ad nauseum. America didnt make capitalism, capitalism made America. It left those socialist backwater countries in the dust
years ago and boo hoo hoo now they are suffering and the US is sooooo bad. As Penn would say….Bullshit!!! In fact people like her love these failed states soooo much they are trying to replicate ours in their image and they have snuck one of their own into office.
Their glee will be short lived. 4 years at best unless possibly our first very own military coup, especially when the level of ineptness becomes so apparent, that it might even cut that time short.
Then again..maybe not:) LOL

All we need is someone to vote for.

All we need is someone to vote for us, you mean.

“Spreading the wealth”, eh?

Er sorry luv, did no one tell you? Castro ain’t no pacifist. In fact he’s the bloke wanted the Russians to USE the nuclear weapons they secretly got into Cuba.

Yes, Field, and wasn’t it Castro himself who, while standing at a missile launch panel being shown to him by his Soviet “friends,”
at the height of the missile crisis who lunged at the launch button in an attempt initiate a nuclear war and had to be restrained by horrified Soviet technicians?

Virgil Xenophon (Phd Political Science).

I am very interested in your claim about the overwhelming evidence that Barak Obama has extremist left wing ideological beliefs.

Could you please give citations of anything written by him or speeches (preferably transcripts rather than reported speech) that demonstrates a Communist, Socialist and/or anarco-terrorist [sic] analysis, argument, belief or support for such views.

I am sure I speak for all those curious about the foundation of your claims when i say this would be very helpful.

Thank you.

Echoing what mettaculture asked of virgil xenophon.

When Obama spoke of killing Bin Laden, he was not only sounding tough, he was also reassuring the Saudis that Bin Laden and his top lieutenants would never live to stand trial. Such a trial would likely expose all the support Bin Laden had in the Saudi ruling establishment. Such an exposure would mean the end of US-Saudi alliance and quite possible a US invasion and occupation of Saudi Arabia. Since 9/11 it has been an aim of US Foreign Policy, supported by both Democratic and Republican Parties, to make the US Public forget that 15 of the 19 suicide bombers came from Saudi Arabia and that if any one country should be blamed for 9/11 it was the Saudis. The Invasion and Occupation of Iraq was in large part, besides Bush/Cheney’s pay off to Haliburton and the Oil Companies, a sucessful effort to divert Americans from realizing that a significant part of the Saudi Establishment was sympathetic to Al Qaeda.

Interesting PBS TV documentary about Barak Obama revealed that when he became president of the Harvard Law journal not only were most of his left of centre cohorts disappointed with him for not being more partisan, ideological and for not handing out perquisites and assignments to more of his left wing cohorts, it also turns out that he enjoyed spending a lot of his time in discussion with the few of his cohorts who were right of centre conservatives.

That said there is also no doubt that Mr. Obama also had close friendships with William Ayers, Rev. Wright and Rashid Khalidi, as well as with folks who profoundly disagreed with the aforementioned trio’s values and world views.

In one way, Barak Obama resembles a very intellectual Chauncey Gardener from the brilliant film ‘Being There’: that is to say he seems to be able to be the person anyone wants wants him to be. He can be a radical extremist for suspicious conservatives, a moderate pragmatist for centrists and a sell out to a monolithic ‘Lobby’ for hard core Walt and Mearsheimer cranks and assorted troofers.

Venichka,
Surely Osama Bin Laden is a legitimate target ? He has not only declared war but is actively waging it, and moreover is waging it almost exclusively by means that constitute grave war crimes – fighting without uniforms , targeting civilians, etc etc.

It is bad enough that liberal opinion has already become so corroded that it regards the laws of war as entirely unilateral and without so much as a request that they be subject to reciprocity, making of the conventions of war little more than a handicapping system that deliberately favours assymetric forces, and the more completely they ignore the conventions the more they are favoured. The selectivity of moral outrage – Abu Ghraib and Gitmo vs the campaign of atrocity by AQ, AQI, Taleban & etc seems also to have become a liberal consensus.
But to go so far as to suggest that the enemy is actually off limits to even normal military responses, and can only be attacked if you can effect the kind of arrest that stands a strong chance of being suicidal to whichever poor bunch of sods are charged with carrying out orders that insane borders on outright capitulation.

It is worth reflecting that the ability of relatively small numbers of meagerly equipped terrorists to wage a global war on something like equal terms with a coalition of the most advanced countries in the world – and impose on those societies enormous financial, political, military and emotional costs has as much to do with liberal restraint as it does with Terrorist ruthlessness.

Did anyone see the sour Peter Brooke’s cartoon on Wednesday, the day the results came out: Two women in Burkhas fleeing, babes in arms, one saying: Do you think those are Bush bombs or Obama bombs?

I have just seen Brooke’s cartoon for today: Obama assembles his team.What is his point, exactly?
(the burkha one is also there.)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/cartoon/

However poor the Cubans might be, I realised, they cared about each other and they had a leader who loved them

Loonie Tunes on speed.

Ami, Brooke is a demented Islington loonie left clone: the Arabs are always the victims, the West are fascists and Israel are Nazis. You should feel pity for him: I do, as I feel for all such losers.

It seems John P. is the only one here willing to point out the obvious, namely the mindless messianism of vast numbers of Obama supporters

I have been saying this for months ;-))

Still, I more or less agree with her. Far better, more decent, more reasonable, more humane that bin Laden be brought to trial and made an example of than that he is killed.
Bloodlust and vengeance have no place in a civilised society

You have nil experience of what it is like to be a soldier in a combat situation, right?

Johann, the insane loonies of Islington HAVE capitulated. Fortunately, they are not yet quite in charge of any country. Unfortunately, many national leaders are in thrall to them.

there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in Obama’s past that would lead one to believe that he is anything but an extreme left-wing ideologue heavily influenced by Communists, Socialists, anarco–terrorists, and the Chicago political machine– whether by voting record, public utterances, or association

The ramblings of a nutter. Very sad

I hear the political reeducation camps will be opening soon outside of Washington DC. All Republicans will be strapped on gurneys and
be forced to listen to looping tapes of “Yes We Can!”, “The Messiah has returned!” and my favorite “Coal..BAAAAAAD!”

I just had an unbelievable conversation with one of the kool-aid drinkers here at work. She was convinced that because George Bush took office in 2000 was why we were attacked on 9/11. so i carefully pointed out that the hijackers and their backers were putting the plan together, learning how to fly airplanes (but not land them) etc. etc. up to 2 years before GB took office. her answer..are you ready…”Doesn’t matter”. When I looked at her incredulously and said..”waaa?” She clamped her hands over her ears walked away and said “I dont want to hear it!”. These people
and their ilk are very very dangerous to an open republic. I am glad there are no grazing land near by otherwise she might have wandered out in the field and started chewing cud. Are they really this brain dead? Whatever kool-aid they have been drinking is
damn potent to knock out all, and I mean all, higher brain functions.
How in Gods name did these creepazoids win? Not that I would, but I can understand why all the socialist dictators (which is where socialism inevitably leads sooner or later) started wiping them out in gulags and purges, along with, their enemies. Who the hell would want to be around these brain dead automatons for long without wanting to wipe them out:) LOL Oh well..Welcome to the Obamanation.

Sadly, Jon, I know such people also.

I think Obama done some drastic changes after becoming President of America.

If we wer atacked Obma would just through a bunch of money at them in if that did not work try a bunch more and when that did not work he would ask to talk about it . Wthat falled he would send biden to tell them a storey . Lbut not least he would have pol icy handel it