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Plans are being made to promote a national holiday for Barack Obama, who will become the nation’s 44th president when he takes the oath of office Jan. 20.

Capitol-Journal, Topeka

Plans are being made to promote a national holiday for Barack Obama, who will become the nation’s 44th president when he takes the oath of office Jan. 20.

I love that passive voice, lack of further information (by whom are the plans being made?) and lack of a link.

Smal story Mesquito.
Original link.

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/110908/loc_353922770.shtml

As for Peter Hitchens.

If there were only a small number of white people celebrating,take his article seriously.

Larger than you know, indeed!

I avoid passive voice, myself. To link I must open another program, which is a pain in the neck.

http://cjonline.com/stories/110908/loc_353922770.shtml

Smal story Mesquito.
Original link.

http://www.cjonline.com/stories/110908/loc_353922770.shtml

Thanks, tim. That is so mesquito.

Mesquito,
You stopped doing that link to obscure blog,small paer etc for a while once you were picked up on it.
do you intend to start again, it seems a bit pointless.

Eg.

Obama officially thinks he is christ

Source.
A commentor on townhall.com

You stopped doing that link to obscure blog,small paer etc for a while once you were picked up on it.
do you intend to start again, it seems a bit pointless.

Huh?

You kept chopping quotes, finding links to pointless blog comments.
Then you stopped.
Please don’t start again,its pointless.

Well, it’s hardy sporting for Gene to link to Sullivan and not Hitchens, is it?

If there were only a small number of white people celebrating,take his article seriously

And since roughly 97% of afro-americans who voted, voted Obama, should we take that vote seriously?

97%

Shit, even Mao and Stalin couldn’t obtain that.

“You kept chopping quotes, finding links to pointless blog comments.”

If I wanted to link to a blog comment, I wouldn’t know how.

The Dail Mial for which Hitchens writes is normally behind a pay wall.

Could you provide links when you give us a quote please.

the original

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1084111/PETER-HITCHENS-The-night-waved-goodbye-America–best-hope-Earth.html

“The Dail Mial for which Hitchens writes is normally behind a pay wall.”

http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/

Works fine at my house.

John P’s works even better.

He’s still preferable to Littlejohn though.

But among the Mexicans, Salvadorans and the other Third World nationalities, there was something like ecstasy. They grasped the real significance of this moment. They knew it meant that America had finally switched sides in a global cultural war.

As of 2006, 12% of active duty enlisted personnel in the US army were Hispanics. Perhaps if Peter is still in that oh so edgy multilingual area in DC where he was so brave to stay, he could catch a cab across the river to tell the Pentagon to kick them all out? They must be traitors too, right?

They preferred to posture on the world stage. Scared of confronting Left-wing teachers and sexual revolutionaries at home, they could order soldiers to be brave on their behalf in far-off deserts.

Yeah, Republicans are scared of teachers and “sexual revolutionaries”, but not al Qaeda and the Taleban. Uh huh.

Classic Daily Heil.

Typical Hitchens “Nothing will change but America will now become a Third World Nation.I heard no support until I reached the Spanish speaking area of Black DC after leaving a party of white liberals who are to blame for supporting Obama”

And since roughly 97% of afro-americans who voted, voted Obama, should we take that vote seriously?

So we shouldn’t take black people seriously now? Fucking hell, are there no levels to which you won’t stoop? Yesterday’s man, sleep

But among the Mexicans, Salvadorans and the other Third World nationalities, there was something like ecstasy. They grasped the real significance of this moment. They knew it meant that America had finally switched sides in a global cultural war.

As of 2006, 12% of active duty enlisted personnel in the US army were Hispanics. Perhaps if Peter is still in that oh so edgy multilingual area in DC where he was so brave to stay, he could catch a cab across the river to tell the Pentagon to kick them all out? They must be traitors too, right?

Of course it would never occur to P. Hitchens that “the Mexicans, Salvadorans and the other Third World nationalities” were expressing pride in and patriotism for their adopted country. Or, God forbid, to talk to some of them.

It’s guys who think like Peter Hitchens, though he’s British, who will keep the Republicans in the minority for a long, long time. The sneering condescension toward all minorities alone will do it. It ain’t all whites voting anymore, so running against the unwashed and uncivilized hordes isn’t going to work. Still, carry on Peter, and Michelle Malkin, and Sean Hannity. You do good work for the Democrats.

Well Christopher Hitchens already thinks the US is a banana Republic.

Well, P.Hitchens is a curmudgeonly old misanthrope, but many of his point hit home. Why not do a proper Fisking, Gene, instead of the lame and brainless jibe of “ignorance and fear-mongering”. Take him on, point by point (if you can), or are you afraid he might be right?

The One has made a large number of promises to people who will not be amused if he does not deliver. And much of the media that praised him to the rooftops is now wondering how foolish they themselves will look when it turns to ordure.

However, this chat from Newsweek shows that Obama is quite a canny operator, and coming from the Chicago bear pit, maybe he will be ready for Putin, though I would not count on it. I hope for all our sakes that his is not as inept as Kennedy was.

Christopher is a cunt. Peter is a cunt with a yeast infection.

Yes, Gene – how dare people have different opinions from yours, never mind have the temerity to speak out against the disintegration of the West? They must be ‘ignorant’ to disagree with the great Gene.
You are a classic ‘liberal’ – intolerant and narrow-minded.

Fucking hell, are there no levels to which you won’t stoop?

If 97% of blacks voted for Obama, that is a racist vote. You don’t like it being said how it is? Tough.

Yes, Gene – how dare people have different opinions from yours, never mind have the temerity to speak out against the disintegration of the West? They must be ‘ignorant’ to disagree with the great Gene.
You are a classic ‘liberal’ – intolerant and narrow-minded.

Again, have you met kettle?

If 97% of blacks voted for Obama, that is a racist vote

Why is it?

“It’s guys who think like Peter Hitchens, though he’s British, who will keep the Republicans in the minority for a long, long time. The sneering condescension toward all minorities alone will do it.”

Last time I checked, the two most popular figures in the GOP were a woman and an Indian.

The sneering condescension

Obama’s groupies could teach a PhD class in condescension.

If anything, Mr Hitchens understates the case. America is about to undergo blood-thirsty chaos on a scale not seen since the Spanish Red Terror of the 30s, or possibly even Britain’s Own Winter of Discontent, when our own dear (!) Unions, led to the piling up of corpses in the streets. You can laugh, but why was Obama’s vote so large despite myself and Mr Hitchens repeated warnings against him? Could it be that the BBC has grotesquely skewed the debate in his favour – paid for by OUR taxes? Heaven forbid! The whole thing is of course, very revealing.

Herman, the great thinking brain of the ‘liberals’. Shame you are never plugged in.

Well, P.Hitchens is a curmudgeonly old misanthrope, but many of his point hit home

No they haven’t. It’s the ramblings of a loon – why bother to “Fisk” a nutter? It’s like sitting down with the village nutter and disabusing him of the notion that green aliens have abducted his wife to live on the sun.

The One has made a large number of promises to people who will not be amused if he does not deliver.

So just like every other politician in history.

I’m wise to you now, Mr. OxfordONian. :D

Last time I checked, the two most popular figures in the GOP were a woman and an Indian.

Don’t confuse these sad people with facts.

If anything, Mr Hitchens understates the case. America is about to undergo blood-thirsty chaos on a scale not seen since the Spanish Red Terror of the 30s, or possibly even Britain’s Own Winter of Discontent, when our own dear (!) Unions, led to the piling up of corpses in the streets.

You’re not playing with a full deck are you?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Sadly, the one trying so hard to imitate me is a stupid twat.

Oh, unless I’ve been suckered by the N.O. spoofer again

“They must be ‘ignorant’ to disagree with the great Gene.
You are a classic ‘liberal’ – intolerant and narrow-minded.”

I couldn’t begin to count the number of things I disagree with Gene on, but you’ll have to go a long way to find someone more fair-minded and tolerant of all strands of people.

Both the Hitchens boys are self-styled hipster controversists. Christopher is just smarter by about 2,000 miles.

You are too stupid to spot spoofs. You had to have help from Mesquito.

You are too stupid to spot spoofs. You had to have help from Mesquito.

Is this the spoof? Mesquito?

you’ll have to go a long way to find someone more fair-minded and tolerant of all strands of people

Really? His post is evidence to the contrary, never mind all his other posts.

“Is this the spoof? Mesquito?”

Mesquito is busy cramming enchiladas down his gullet. He’ll get back to you directly.

With all due respect, NO I dispute your qualifications to be the universal arbiter of tolerance.

Incidentally has anyone noticed now quiet Mad Mel’s been since Wednesday? You’re not singing anymore…

Nearly Oxfordonian is a good spoof because he or she is nearly indistinguishable from the original, with the emphasis on nearly. Better still he or she makes responding to Nearly Oxfordian’s tedious rants unnecessary.

Mesquito is busy cramming enchiladas down his gullet. He’ll get back to you directly.

And it’s thanks to spineless white people like you that food of such questionable origins was allowed to cross the border in the first place.

“And it’s thanks to spineless white people like you that food of such questionable origins was allowed to cross the border in the first place.”

These are American enchildas, of course, though I’m unsure of the arroz, and the frijoles. The tortillas are most definitely wet.

It was fascinating to see two evenly-matched parties (McCain took nearly half the popular vote) slugging it out. We haven’t had that here since 1992, and we are still a very long way from it. It will not come back while the Tories still exist, the continuation of that existence being, in turn, the only reason why the Labour Party still exists. Peter Hitchens has repeatedly made this point.

He has also repeatedly called for the re-emergence of a proper Labour Party, pre-Blairite because pre-Bennite and pre-Militant, and therefore ought to take heart from the re-emergence behind and around Obama, even if not exactly with Obama himself in it, of a proper Democratic Party.

Indeed, one may go further, since this morally and socially conservative party of economic populism is untainted by secessionism or segregationism, and untainted by the global warmongering of coercive utopianism. Those lots, both Democratic in their time, were on the other side and are going to remain there, even if only for the merciful lack of anywhere else for them to go.

At the same time as The People voted heavily for Obama in California, and comfortably for him in Florida, they also voted (very strongly in Florida, at least) to define marriage as only ever the union of one man and one woman.

That is one of several illustrations of the fact that this is a victory for morally and socially conservative foreign policy realists (as far from pacifism as from neoconservatism). If Democrats, whether permanently or even for the purposes of a single election, they are only ever and by definition Democrats for economically populist reasons. Which are, of course, the right reasons.

Those are the people who have put Obama in. And those are the people who could and should put him right back out again in 2012 if he does not deliver the goods on all three of economic populism, moral and social conservatism (at the very least, don’t make matters any worse), and foreign policy realism.

Yes, of course the Democratic nominee is going to beat Sarah Palin anyway. Thank God for that. But Obama has no absolute right to be the Democratic nominee at all. Look at the huge numbers now registering as Democrats. They cannot be Hard Leftists, diehard liberals or peaceniks, since people like that were already registered Democrats. And they might not always have nowhere else to go. A very serious primary challenge in 2012 looks guaranteed. As well it should be: no one deserves a free run against nothing more than Sarah Palin.

Peter Hitchens (for all that he is right about how Obama is not really that great an orator, about the strange role of Obama’s grandmother, and about a couple of other things) ought to be ecstatic. I certainly am. Why isn’t he?

But quite why you are even remotely pleased, I honestly cannot imagine. I simply do not believe that you really are.

Gene – as I’m sure you know, it is “Nearly Oxfordian” who is the spoofer – not myself.

I am sick and tired of his repeated and childish attempts to caricature me as some kind of thick, pompous, boorish, tedious, cliched, humourless, repetitive, ultra-right bore.

No doubt you will continue to allow the idiotic rantings of the so-called “Neary Oxfordian” to continue though Gene – typical of your childish indulgences. It proves you’ve lost the argument – and its very revealing.

In this case, Hitchens, P. is correct on the march of leftist ideology. Has Gene never heard of Gramsci?

Christophers younger brother use a lot of words when he join the Polish MP Artur Gorski who is more concise : president-elect Barack Obama the “black messiah of the new left” and said his victory marks the “end of the civilization of the white man.”

His post is evidence to the contrary, never mind all his other posts.

NO, do you think there will be an internal version of the culture war within the Republicans in the next couple of years?
If so, and liberal conservatives/neoconservatives are up against paleo-conservatives and the religious right, which side will you choose?

Peter Hitchens has repeatedly made this point.

He has also repeatedly called for the re-emergence of a proper Labour Party, pre-Blairite because pre-Bennite and pre-Militant…

Ahh, Peter Hitchens, the guiding light of the left

America had the best organised, most popular, hitherto most successful Conservative movement in the western world and now that movement is completely fucked. Now the full weight of the American empire is going to be used to promote social-democracy and *liberalism* and conservatives – real conservatives, not Cameronite members of the enemy class – are understandably upset.
Are you saying they’re not even allowed to write an article about it now?

As for third world. Somewhere between the baying mob and the thuggish cops, there’s a hint of it here.
http://www.youtube.com/watchv=94N1TkuLWss&eurl=http://ace.mu.nu/

roughly 97% of afro-americans who voted, voted Obama

The figure I’ve seen in exit polls is 95% probably a record, if so it will beat Lyndon Johnson’s 94% 1964.

According to some polls Obama was splitting the black vote with Hillary December 2007 but then in 2008 he got more and more from Hillary. Jesse Jackson got 77% of the black votes in 1984 and 92% in 1988. Al Gore got 90%.

Blacks are Democratic junkies, it seems to be since the civil rights movement there was little interest for GOP among black voters in presidential elections.

“America had the best organised, most popular, hitherto most successful Conservative movement in the western world and now that movement is completely fucked.”

Damn. What am I to do with myself now?

Herman, I once told him to his face that he was Old Labour trying to get out, and he didn’t disagree. Large numbers of Old Labour people who would rarely or never buy the Daily Mail buy the Mail on Sunday specifically in order to read him, a key contributing factor to its success and influence.

He is vocally appalled at the takeover of the Labour Party by utterly unrepentant old Communists, Trotskyists and fellow-travellers from back in the day (whereas no one could doubt that he himself has chnaged his mind), who have merely changed tactics from economics to the culture wars in pursuit of the same old ends, and who have entirely displaced the old party of working-class patriots, social conscience toffs and demi-toffs, temperance Methodists, and traditional Catholics.

The party, in other words (even if not those which he himself would use), of the Welfare State, workers rights, progressive taxation, full employment, and the partnership between a strong Parliament and strong local government, all of which the sectarian Left has always despised.

He is not the only one. The abstention rate in Old Labour areas last time was in some cases two in three. Apathy? You wish.

Not only has the nearest American approximation to that truly grand old party now begun to re-emerge, but it has done so shorn of its ancestral racism and “liberal interventionism” (not unconnected: as Governor of Arkansas, Bill Clinton annually laid wreathes at Confederate Army cemeteries; Reagan, of the Reagan Democrats, once laid a wreath at an SS cemetery).

I am pleased.

Why isn’t Peter Hitchens?

Nearly O –

“or possibly even Britain’s Own Winter of Discontent, when our own dear (!) Unions, led to the piling up of corpses in the streets.”

I think you’re confusing rubbish bags with corpses.

The corpses – a few – were in refrigerated lorries IIRC.

Obama’s election is to the Right what Reagan’s election was to the Old Left. Perhaps a new Right will emerge to challenge the Bureacrat’s’n'Abortion socio-economic model that is now in the unchallenged ascendant, but it will probably do so long after every western government goes completely financially insolvent, inflation is 10.0000, passing Maths A Level is actually easier than writing one’s own name and the drinking ban in pubs has been passed.

The sooner conservatives realise how completely and utterly fucked the western world is the sooner they can start organising a counter-cultural conservative movement completely insulated from mainstream secular society and the state-apparatus in order to weather the coming storm.

“Why isn’t Peter Hitchens?”
Because on the whole he thought Waco was a rather bad do?

Can’t recall the last time Dems got 54% of the Catholic vote in a national election. They were a key component of the Reagan coalition.

lasse @ 12:33 am

Initially African-American voters did not take Obama seriously. Once they did – well – the rest is history. South Carolina primary comes to mind as a turning point.

Quite so. Although of course they were mostly Democrats until then.

And what is Catholic Teaching like? Pro-life, pro-family, pro-worker and anti-war. Obama should remember that.

Or else, certainly if my nbox is anything to go by, he is in for a hell of a shock when the primaries come round again.

No, he’s not going to ban abortion (he can’t). Nor are his Supreme Court nominees going to make it any worse (they couldn’t possibly). But there is a lot more to it than that.

If Obama really wants to consolidate the Catholic vote, then how whoever decides these things fills the newly vacant or to be vacated Senate seats in Illinois and, especially, Delaware (never mind New York if he puts Hillary Clinton on the Supreme Court) would be a very, very good place to start.

The Republican Party is reduced to a regional and rural party. There are more urban voters than rural voters and the suburbs hold the balance.

McCain-Palin’s “Real America” trope cost them in the suburbs big time.

Vacant senate seats are filled by state governors pending special election within one year.

It seems concentrations of people vote Democratic. Even in red states this was true, even the deepest red ones (Obama almost took Salt Lake City in Utah). In Texas, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin all voted Obama. Without urban centres, the Republicans are screwed. They will simply wither away.

The suburbs hold the balance.

The thing I find kind of charming about Peter Hitchens is the fact he seems to be in continued denial about the 1832 reform act and Whiggish ‘innovation’. He writes like the Duke Of Wellington was some pinko limp wrist. It makes me smile

I’m enjoying watching panic-striken Conservatives switch from saying that centrists are “rattled” and “scared” to saying they are “condescending” and “patronising”. It’s as open a declaration of defeat as we’re going to get from this blog’s resident wingnuts.

I was thoroughly appalled by Peter’s column.

And then shocked by the support he’s getting in this comment section.

I suddenly feel so alienated from the nutcase reactionaries here, that I imagine turning to Benjamin as my only ally here; maybe we can shoot our way out of this hell hole leaving the bodies of Melanie Phillips and Rush Limbaugh fans strewn, waiting for the buzzards.

I suddenly feel so alienated from the nutcase reactionaries here, that I imagine turning to Benjamin as my only ally here; maybe we can shoot our way out of this hell hole leaving the bodies of Melanie Phillips and Rush Limbaugh fans strewn, waiting for the buzzards.

You’re on!

Defeat?

Joe Muggs, it was the Democratic Party Client Demographics who passed wholesale despicable legislation against gay marriage.

You should have been more careful what you wished for – YOU opened Pandora’s box.

He writes like the Duke Of Wellington was some pinko limp wrist. It makes me smile

Peter Hitchens is a hoot. To him England was a fine, upstanding place… a few centuries ago. Clem Atlee was a relatively recent horror, you understand – the rot set in well before that.

I am very disappointed about 8 being carried. It is extremely dodgy adjusting constitutions to limit minority rights; constitutions should be there to guarantee them. Not sure where to go now. Were the Democrats too timid to get solidly behind a rejection of 8? That’s my feeling.

Were the Democrats too timid to get solidly behind a rejection of 8? That’s my feeling.

It was the fucking Democrats who PASSED 8.

The people who voted for 8 were the same people who voted for The One – Blacks and Hispanics.

I was referring to the leadership of the party, Morgoth. In theory at least it should have been possible for the Democrats to have campaigned harder against the measure.

Mind you, it could have poor organisation on the part of the No campaign too. The Yes folk were well organised.

I was referring to the leadership of the party, Morgoth. In theory at least it should have been possible for the Democrats to have campaigned harder against the measure.

The One opposes Gay Marriage, Benji. Didn’t you know that?

“They had also been weakened by the failure of America’s conservative party – the Republicans – to fight on the cultural and moral fronts” – PH

What a bizarre comment when you consider that if anything the Bush Republicans have used culture wars as one of their main platforms in chasing “white working class”TM support…

Great piece by Hitchens junior – thanks for bringing this to my attention. If ever there was an example of the triumph of delusion over substance, Obamania tops them all.

For someone supposed to be right-wing, Hitchens has some good points about the blindness of the upper middle classes to which the Obamas belong, and the self-segregation which occurs right across the USA.

After your assesment of Sarah Palin, Old Labour, do you expect to be taken seriously?

Old Labour, as one Old Labourite to another, many of us do not do mania. We came late to Obama, and then only after the elimination of several better candidates: John Edwards on economic policy, Dennis Kucinich on economic and foreign policy, Mike Huckabee on economic (based on his record, not his rhetoric) and social policy, Ron Paul on social and foreign policy. None of those was perfect. But they were all far, far better than – heaven help us – John McCain or Hillary Clinton. And they were all better than Barack Obama.

Obama is very, very wrong about Afghanistan, and must be told so by British and other European leaders, as well as by his close friend and ally, Prime Minister Stephen Harper of Canada. No more forces must be sent to that pointless, unwinnable conflict. Instead, those already there should be brought home forthwith, or else bring themselves home without further ado. Making the world anew at the barrel of a gun is not what they signed up for, not what they are paid for, not what they are sworn to do. Quite the reverse, in fact.

There are no “Taliban” distinct from the Pashtuns generally, and they have no desire to run anywhere beyond Afghanistan (or even only the Pashtun parts of Afghanistan) and the Pashtun parts of Pakistan. There is no “al-Qaeda” at all. Iran is not our enemy (and could not conceivably be allied to a Wahhabi, Salafi or Deobandi movement even if she were). Nor is Russia. And nor is Venezuela.

Our enemies are those who launched the attacks on 11th September 2001. They are busily buying up great swathes of our economies. They are in the Gulf. Above all, they are in Saudi Arabia. But they are now the weakened paymasters of the Clintons and the Bushes. Let them now feel their new, and very well-earned, weakness. If this must be a European and Old Commonwealth lead for America to follow, then so be it.

However, call Obama old-fashioned if you will, but he sees it as the job of the President of the United States to protect American jobs, American lives and American culture.

He has been elected, and wishes to be re-elected, by economic patriots and foreign policy realists who believe that immigration must be strictly legal, that legal immigration must be strictly limited, and that English (uniting black and white) must remain the language of the United States severally and collectively. They are right. And they will not, nor should they, feel themselves obliged either to re-nominate or to re-elect him. He has to deliver. And he will.

How should we react? Most positively.

It is morally repugnant to export high-wage, high-skilled, high-status jobs to un-unionised, child-exploiting sweatshops in Asia or Latin America. The Americans should stop doing this. And so should we.

It is morally repugnant to send off young men and women to be slaughtered in the inherently doomed, and already discredited, cause of global coercive utopianism. The Americans should stop doing this. And so should we.

And it is morally repugnant to import, including by illegal means, a new working class which understands nothing of the national language except commands, knows little or nothing about workers’ rights in the host-country, can be deported if it steps out of line, and can be moved around at will because it has no local patriotism, while ever-more economic, social, cultural and political power is transferred to a publicly funded bilingual élite. The Americans should stop doing this. And so should we.

The reaction to the election of Obama must be the election of our own economic patriots and foreign policy realists who believe that immigration must be strictly legal, that legal immigration must be strictly limited, and that English (uniting black and white) must remain the language of this United Kingdom as such.

In a word, Old Labour.

Ah timmy boy. After Palin was cleared and showed up your lies and delusions, you still have the cheek to appear. Funny that her Democrat enemies engineered to withold the report until it could have no impact on the election.

Lindsey – still desperate to attract some readers to your appalling weblog, I see. You’d be better served old boy looking for flying saucers with your friend Dennis Kucenich.

Obama’s tough position on the Islamic fascists in Afghanistan and Pakistan is one of the few reasons to take encouragement from his election.

And on the “Islamic fascists” in Saudi Arabia, who, after all, launched the 9/11 attacks?

Never mind the “Islamic fascists” in Iraq, who are only exist because of the removal of Saddam Hussein?

You are not the only person on here whose main or only pleasure in Obama’s election is that you can now support the bombing of Pakistan with a racially clear conscience.

Funny that her Democrat enemies engineered to withold the report until it could have no impact on the election.

That report was from Palins own appointees you numpty.

However, call Obama old-fashioned if you will, but he sees it as the job of the President of the United States to protect American jobs, American lives and American culture.

Am I the only one who misread this as “…call Osama old-fashioned if you will…”

And yes, being old fashioned is one of Osama’s flaws. “There is no ‘al-Qaeda’ at all.” My my. Why am I not surprised that the next sentence is “Iran is now our enemy?”

er that was a typo “Iran is NOT our enemy”

Check out this youtube video. If you are thoughtful at all, it will make you think:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYEiwR2KklM