Harry’s Place

Doesn’t it make you wonder why cif went to so “little trouble” to completely block Khartoumi, under his many guises, post his many bannings and in between?
Khartoumi was reinstated by la Georgina, then eventually banned XXX number of times but always back with a new moniker which he was even joked about. I can’t remember death threats made to writers, posters or wacko rants from those who cif has gone to so much trouble be rid of permenently. Strange people at cif.
Ask Seaton about that, David.

Clapthehammer has surpassed everyone in the number of bannings on CI(F).

Perhaps he should be honoured here for his valiant efforts. I demand a post on the life of Clapthehammer on CI(F).

Clapthehammer has surpassed everyone in the number of bannings on CI(F).

Perhaps he should be honoured here for his valiant efforts. I demand a post on the life of Clapthehammer on CI(F).

Great. Now I can go and piss off Guardianistas on CiF. On second thoughts, life is too short to deal with such nauseating and ignorant people. I think I’ll clean the bathroom instead.

Fucking hell. You’re not supposed to tell everyone the secrets of trollery.

Alternatively, you could comply with the policies of the sites you go on…

Great idea! And Citylightsgirl agrees!

Put the kettle on pls Zsuzsanna.

David you can also ask Seaton about this, re Khartoumi in his many disguises. Why does the hierarchy at the Guardian refuse to ban somebody who threatened Petra Marquardt-Bigman with having her head blown off in Tel Aviv?

Ask Seaton if the reason Khartoumi/and the rest of his alter-egos have charmed existences is because it’s another department’s responsibility - or is the real reason somebody running scared, or something?

cool, i’ll check em out!

“Fucking hell. You’re not supposed to tell everyone the secrets of trollery.”

why not?…..”liberty if it means anything, etc etc etc….!”

waxy, it was a warning from khartoumi/oderic to PMB about getting her head blown off in Hebron.
IronSocks /Khartoumi still posting.

IronSocks
Nov 18 08, 3:54am (about 18 hours ago)
Lenny was my dear and good friend; and I am utterly bereft at his passing. I miss him enormously - and his emails that both made me roar with laughter and taught me so much. I loved Lenny so very much. I have nothing more to write.

Khartoumi

“..Strange people at cif…”

Now THAT has to be the understatement of 2008 so far.

Let’s face it people, GorgonHead knows that anti-Israel articles are sure to get gazillions of posts. My belief is that she will go to any lengths to do that (there’s a name for that, I think) and keeping on the likes of Berchmans, Freedman, Bungelwally, and Kartoony is a little like bear baiting for her, with pro-Israel posters as the bears - great entertainment for someone with an utterly shrivelled sense of morality.

She is making money from Israel-hatred and, when it dies down, she deliberately commissions threads which crank it up again.

Now that lennystone has “gorn before” I wonder who will be Seth Freedman’s mentor / write his articles for him / come out in support of him if he’s getting a drubbing for being stupid?

Adam, thanks for this.

Does it work with Windows Vista?

“Now that lennystone has “gorn before” I wonder who will be Seth Freedman’s mentor / write his articles for him / come out in support of him if he’s getting a drubbing for being stupid?”

Good question, young, SayWhat. Could the answer lay in this Freudian slip from Matti

mattseaton
Nov 18 08, 11:14am (about 12 hours ago)
Thank you to all for these messages.

“Gingermaster, that additional information about Leonard is good to read. If you or anyone has close personal knowledge of Lenny, or is in touch with his family (for instance, the author of that obituary, his brother Jim), I think it would be worth contacting the Guardian’s ‘Other Lives’ section via other.lives@guardian.co.uk.”

Ginger Master ? I thought it was Ginger Waster as in waste of space, not Master as in Dr Who. Has GorgonHead summoned back the ultimate in Cybermen because Berchmans and the other darleks were not able to secure the I/P blogs against the forces of, Reason?
I have no idea what’s going to happen next, the Queen’s (Petra)
forces seem to be ready to square orf against the barbarian hordes loyal to the Black Knight (Seth) - who is now even more reliant on round the clock protection from, Reason, by GorgonHead’s Moderation team, or face, Reason, alone?
The upside is, once GorgonHead’s moderators destroy all traces of Reason, the Black Knights threads end up looking like something orf BeeBo under 14’s. Not good when you need to sell advertising space.
So, the GingerMaster is back, with his trusty side-kick, the ultimate in narcissism and making a total cunt of himself, yes, it’s Khartoumi.

I am a bit of an idiot where computers are concerned. I do think that it is odd that the (job) adverts target me. The amount of traffic on my connection is also very high. Is the Gurandan searching my computer?

DocMartyn - I’ve wondered how my cif page seems so personalised, the advertisements and that. I’ve wondered if CIF is data mining which would give them another resource. How can we find out and, is this legal does anyone know?

PS - all power to *Reason* I cant stand the black knight, detest dotty/tribute, berchmans makes me puke but special reserves are needed to put up with waster and loopi

Thank you Tim.

Although we may not know how others may have been pursued by CIF because they do not ‘toe’ the CI(F) line.

There are difficulties however. Sometimes I forget who ‘I am’.

Still. The warm feeling I get when I think about the efforts that CI(F) expends in the form of programmers trying to ‘define me’ while presumably staying within the bounds of legalities, does give me a lot compensation. I have fantasies of Georgina frothing.

Also, a poster who has had a serious rise in his blood pressure due to some ‘basic truth’ that I posted, can ‘converse’ with me the next day without knowing ‘who I am’.

It is the CI(F) version of ‘the Veil’ but worn by a sinful atheist.

Adam Hi,

I installed TOR.

Perhaps you can contact me.

I’m sure that HP will give you my email.

claphammer: drop me a note at: mail@adamlebor.com

Mitnaged: TOR, Guerilla mail etc should work with every operating system, even linux.

As for targeted advertising, I don’t know anything specific about particular websites but information given when registering at websites may be used to build a profile which *could* theoretically allow the website to target you, according to your biographical details. I’m still learning about this stuff, so I dont know exactly.

Almost every website will place a “cookie” on your computer which contains your personal details, or enough so that they know who you are. That is how websites say “welcome John Smith” etc when you log on.

adam, I believe some websites also collect your username (logged-on account), machine name, and operating system version.

That is why I also suggest creating a new log-on account name and in an extreme case a change of computer name.

That’s the only thing that defeated BBC 5Live Messageboards. For me it was easy as I was running Microsoft Virtual PC and just cloned many copies of the .vhd file and experimented.

MP@M

How interesting is Seaton’s Freudian slip. “m” is far away from “w” on the keyboard so it can’t have been a typo. I wonder whether gingerwaster is on the Guardian staff and comes online if threads get a bit less anti-Zionist/anti-Semitic than GorgonHead believes they should be. If that’s the case then there ought to be a competition to “out” him or her.

The gruesome genuflection around lennystone reminds me of the hideous overhype around the death of Princess Diana - tragic that she died young or at all and in such circumstances - but the lengths to which some publicised their grief was appalling and sickening.

Why the genuflection around and worship of lennystone? They’ll be beatifying him next and after that making him a saint. I wouldn’t be surprised if GorgonHead is pursuing that as we speak - imagine it, “Saint Lenny of CiF” the patron saint of specious argument and, in the case of Seth Freedman, lost causes.

“The upside is, once GorgonHead’s moderators destroy all traces of Reason, the Black Knights threads end up looking like something orf BeeBo under 14’s. Not good when you need to sell advertising space.
So, the GingerMaster is back, with his trusty side-kick, the ultimate in narcissism and making a total cunt of himself, yes, it’s Khartoumi.”

Well, if Dave T, having been banned, is not allowed to post to CiF even to reply to comments on his own thread, then why the hell should Khartoumi be allowed to nauseate all of us?

Of course, if anyone were to ask that question, their post would be deleted….

Waxy, Khartoumi/IronSocks is M.B. Jefferies, a British convert to Islam teaching in the Sudan.

LennyStone was a quite dishonest yet arrogant and self-righteous individual. I lost any respect for him when (without at first revealing a personal connection) he defended Barenboim’s ramming Wagner down the throats of Holocaust survivors in Israel.

mattseaton
Nov 18 08, 11:26am
Apologies, IronSocks: I overlooked yours. That’s fascinating (and I was there, in fact). He had good taste and good fortune in friends, evidently.

marvelous how friendly Matt remains toward Khartoumi, despite the later having threatened several of his posters and at least two of his above the line writers. This sort of behaviour by an editor of CIF, seems like encouragement to me. The next time shit-head makes another threat on line, do remember why this insufferable little wanker does what he does - he’s been allowed.
Did anyone ever bother chasing up his employers, if Seaton wont keep this prick off his blog, might not be a bad idea to ask the wankers employers if they support his behaviour.

Mike, good points. CiF seems to me to be a glaring example of the double standards which obtain towards Islamistphiles compared with those who want to put the case for Israel.

It made me angry that David Toube, having been banned for offending the overblown sensitivities of a proven Islamist antisemite, was not allowed to post to his own excellently argued thread, and yet Khartoumi, who is grossly personality-disordered and probably dangerous when his disability is in full throttle, is given free rein on the lennystone blub-fest.

I intend to ask Matt Seaton why this is allowed to happen.

And I have:

“I used to post to CiF as MITNAGED, until I was banned for a great deal less, it now seems, than others are allowed to continue posting.

“In fact I am in a similar position to David Toube who, although he wrote an excellent and well-argued reply to Inayat Bunglawala’s defamation of him, was not allowed to come onto CiF to debate (if that is the word for some of the colourful replies he got) with posters.

“But I am very confused, Mr Seaton, and perhaps you can help: It seems that on the Lenny Stone obituary thread one of the most hateful and threatening of anti-Israel posters can post with impunity, having been banned countless times! You may remember that Khartoumi (for it is he under his various guises) threatened one of your writers, Petra Marquardt-Bigman, with having her head blown off in Tel Aviv, and insulted posters variously and viciously and regularly and yet he is still posting, viz:

“IronSocks
Nov 18 08, 3:54am (about 18 hours ago)
Lenny was my dear and good friend; and I am utterly bereft at his passing. I miss him enormously - and his emails that both made me roar with laughter and taught me so much. I loved Lenny so very much. I have nothing more to write.

Khartoumi (emphasis mine)

“But instead of deleting all trace of his post (because he was, after all, banned) you reply to him!

“mattseaton
Nov 18 08, 11:26am
Apologies, IronSocks: I overlooked yours. That’s fascinating (and I was there, in fact). He had good taste and good fortune in friends, evidently.

“Perhaps you can explain why, when David Toube and I and perhaps many others are no longer allowed to post to Comment is Free because of some allegedly heinous offence (and I still do not know why I was banned), such a one as Khartoumi, who showed such flagrant disrespect to one of your most intelligent regular authors is allowed to continue? It cannot be that he slipped under your radar. His name is there above for you and all of us to see.

“I shall look forward to your explanation and, if you mean to continue to allow Khartoumi to post, then confirmation that you will reinstate me as MITNAGED and others, like David Toube, who have been banned for far less serious “crimes.”

“I shall await to hear from you.”

And how’s this for a quick reply? The best bit is that
Khartoumi/Ironsocks has been banned again (but he’ll be back).

“I am afraid you are likely misinformed about the reason for David Toube being banned; in any case I cannot enter into a dialogue with a third party on that topic.

“As for your own banning, you are welcome to contact the moderators via email, as you know, to ask the reason and discuss it with them. You may also contact the moderators to raise an issue about posting by other users, including reporting abuse. If users think they spot a user who is banned posting under a new name, they are encouraged to draw moderators’ attention to the fact. In the case of IronSocks, the moderators tell me that this is what has happened and the user has been banned (again) under the new moniker.

“In general, decisions about banning are made by the moderation team, not by editors, so you should address these concerns to commentisfree@guardian.co.uk.

“Thank you,

“Matt”

My reply to Seaton’s reply:

“Dear Mr Seaton

“Thank you for your prompt reply.

“Thank you also for confirming that the community standards are being applied even-handedly, at least in this case, by re-banning Ironsocks/Khartoumi.

“For myself, I merely used my banning as an example. Although I look at Comment is Free I have absolutely no desire to be reinstated. Life is too short to waste what there is of it by participating in, and thereby perpetuating, the collection of hate-fests that CiF has become.

“Yours sincerely”

Truth be told, I am perturbed that this e-mail correspondence has been publicized, but even addressing only Mitangled’s initial e-mail and Matt’s public response.

David has discussed his banning and reasons for it on H.P., so he has arguably revealed his willingness for it to be discussed.

I don’t believe chain of command was Mitangled’s point. Instead it was that a notorious poster continues to return under ill-concealed guises, openly boasting about matters. Thus it is reasonable to conclude that the moderators are lacking in judgement and consistency in this instance. Furthermore, the poster in question has directed numerous threats of violence against individuals (including at least two authors, although he did apologize to one) and personal abuse. I also recall that he endorsed a link to Hamas, although this was taken down as quick as a flash (something about the 2006 Terrorism Act?).

This has been a long-term issue, and is all documented. Thus I am surprised that the C.i.F. editor himself didn’t appear to make the connexion when he responded this deranged character.

MITNAGED, Load of cobblers from Seaton because IronSocks was posting for a long time before this recent decision to ban him, CIF knew full well IronSocks was Khartoumi - My guess is they banned him this time round due to recent sensitivities over who else they’ve banned, DavidT, etc, as you say, for a lot less.
On Freedmans thread, TehranKid reposted under a new moniker and signed off under her old moniker - neither Khartoumi or TehranKids’ posts have been removed. Not that I give low whistle what they do, it’s just amusing that CIF continue to lie about it.

It wasn’t Tel Aviv, it was Hebron where PMB was warned her head would be blown off, not that that matters as far as Henry, Seaton of CIF is concerned, because if it did, IronSocks would have been banned as soon as he came back on line - can’t remember how long he’s been using IronSocks, last year? It’s not his only moniker.
They banned TehranKid, compare her worst posts against Berchmans on a good day. Do you take CIF seriously when they say they ban posters for anti semitism. It’s token bollocks.

Alec, “Mitangled??” (Well, I suppose so, on a bad day)!

I believe that the powers that be on CiF are not too fussed about being shown up to be hypocritical or are thoroughly out of touch or simply don’t care (hence Seaton not making the connection). There is too much duplicity in CiF’s dealings with its public and the more this is flagged up the better, so far as I am concerned, but I am interested in why you are perturbed.

You also say, “..it is reasonable to conclude that the moderators are lacking in judgement and consistency in this instance.” And not only in this instance, Alec. Think of all the openly antisemitic rubbish which has been allowed to remain online for hours. It should not be the readers’ responsibility to police the blog for incitement, given its potential to hype up hatreds. The moderators should have that responsibility whether it is done post hoc or not.

Mike, of course Seaton has written a load of cobblers and it’s transparent cobblers, too. All of this begs the question as to why an apparently intelligent man uses such disingenuous arguments.

It was your own fault for having such a confrontational name, Mitnaged.

My query doesn’t go beyond the reproduction of his e-mail. I would assume it contained a footer that it was intended only for the named recipient. However, given the close-call C.i.F. had over the defamatory article about David (and that Inayat Bunglawala *continued* to make replies in the comments thread which they couldn’t delete fast enough), it would be chutzpah for him to object. Furthermore, it’s been posted, so it might as well be responded to it as well as his public indulging of some white bloke from Blighty.

David has said on this blog that he was banned after making an abusive remark to a Moderator, after it was implied that making any word play on a non-white individual’s name was racist. I see no reason to disbelieve him. Matt?

David also says that it’s up to C.i.F. whether or not they allow racists to post on and write for them. I appreciate Matt has professional responsibilities, and also that elsewhere C.i.F. and the Guardian in general remain quality outlets, but would also prefer he makes an unambiguous statement.

Think of all the openly antisemitic rubbish which has been allowed to remain online for hours.

Indeed. Such as the recent thread in which I was censored for observing that the poster Berchmans has previously stated that The Protocols of the Elders of Zion reflects the truth.

Confrontational, moi???

I have looked again at Seaton’s email and it has the usual blurb at the end of it. However, it wouldn’t wash in court, or so I am told. Besides which, who, exactly, would he warn or sue? He can’t ban me, since I am already banned and do you honestly think I gave him my real name???

I, too, believe David. I also believe him when he wrote that he also apologised to said Moderator. Other people, such as gingerwaster, have been reinstated in short order after having (allegedly) apologised for having been banned for being wilfully offensive and “jokingly” antisemitic in print on CiF.

Coming late in the day here, as I haven’t been doing much blogging for months.

Just to correct a few errors, for the record.

I was not reinstated after I apologised, but after I and several other posters protested to Georgina Henry (I wrote her an explanatory letter) that I had been banned for the wrong reasons and that the ditty I composed was in no way antisemitic. Which it wasn’t.

My mistake was not to give more context - ie: I ought to have posted at the same time the Jewish supremacists rants of Deronda and given a link to the Flanders and Swan song the ditty was based on. It was a piss-take of jingoist patriotism and of my-country-right-or-wrongers, like many of you lot here, who are incapable of seeing the beam in their own eye while screaming hysterically about the splinter in the the other guy’s.

But of course, militants of a cause are rarely able to laugh at themselves - it gets a bit too close to the bone.

Whatever most of you feel about that ditty, touches one of my gonads without moving the other, in Chirac’s famous words, since you are so partisan as to be blind to any other narrative than your own, but I was sorry I unwittingly hurt some non-partisan people who didn’t get the context.

Once it was explained, I was immediately reinstated - and rightly so, since there is no trace in any of my postings of antisemitism on CIF or anywhere else. On the contrary, read through my comments and you will find plenty of examples of me attacking anti-semitic posters. For me, racism is one thing, whether it’s against whites, blacks, jews, arabs or any other ethnic category. Something I know many of you find hard to understand, but that’s your blind spot and why your arguments don’t hold any water.

As for the delirious here who think I’m a stooge of the Guardian or Khartoumi’s alter-ego, once again, your perception of reality is so off-beam one wonders what distorted lens you’re peeping through.

In my comments you’ll find several pretty epic battles with Khartoumi, because we had a number of fundamental disagreements - and you’ll also find plenty of posts criticizing the Guardian’s moderators.

None of this will convince those here who assume the slightest hint of criticism against Israeli policy is by nature antisemitic and who see those who defend Palestinians as “the enemy”, but that’s your problem, not mine.

For those here still have the use both their eyes, but don’t know the full story, spend a little time going through my comments and you will rapidly realize that what I’m saying here is true.