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No, they will not Think that you a Nazi, they will Know that you are a Nazi!

I think the one over at UAF Lancaster is funnier.

http://lancasteruaf.blogspot.com/2008/11/its-that-bloody-film-again.html

I’ve always liked this version;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz3yLkHHpKs

Downfall, I think “someone stole Hitler’s car” (the original of these funny series, I think) and “Adolf Hitler - Vista Poblem” are hilarious. Both are on youtube.

Hitler: “XP always served me good. I really should have stuck to XP, like Stalin“! (in the Vista Problem parody)

Don’t miss them :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExeyrNZwzwQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8dl4faCpJE&feature=related

The one about Windows Vista is very funny.

I think there is one about Sheffield Utd knocking about too.

Yes, Sheffield in relegation zone or something like that. You mean this one, I guess:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNDRt-Ze-yU

Hahaha - still prefer the original Spurs one though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP0dTWRCJeQ

First, they came for the Nazis…

Where to begin?

Well, for a start, what will George George Galloway say on his talkSPORT programme this weekend, about that station’s sacking of a BNP member?

The Police are civilians, paid to do what, if the circumstances arose, we would all do, and we would all be entitled to do, for free. They should have the right to strike. And they should have the right to join political parties.

The Political Class wants a breakthrough for the BNP. Numerous Westminster Villagers sped that along in the polling booths of London not so long ago, making sure that the BNP got the GLA list seat for which it was in any case well on course. And they regard with unalloyed glee the prospect of at least nine, and probably 12, BNP MEPs next year. That would secure First Past The Post for at least a generation. It would be the excuse for all manner of repressive measures aimed mostly at the white working class, and therefore likely to receive little or no media coverage. And it would confirm all their own prejudices, enabling them to denounce “pandering” to actual or potential BNP voters.

David Dimbleby displayed not one hint of irony when he glided, on Question Time, from the panel’s denunciation of the BNP to the news that in a fortnight’s time that panel would include Martin Maguinness. The BNP is currently confined (even if not for much longer) to a few council seats here and there. Whereas Northern Ireland is in fact governed by a very heavily armed gang of Marxist terrorists who act in full accord with their belief that the sovereign body throughout Ireland is their own Army Council, one member of which is Martin Maguinness.

The BNP is, for some reason, in favour of an English Parliament. Neither Sinn Fein nor the bizarre fundamentalist sect, unconnected to mainstream Ulster Protestantism, with which it has carved up the government of Northern Ireland is in any sense normal there. Those who now run Wales by using Welsh as an upper-middle-class cordon sanitaire in English-speaking areas are neither normal residents of those areas nor normal speakers of Welsh. The SNP has nothing whatever to do with the normal political culture of Scotland, which is different hardly, of at all, from that of England in general and, if anything, the North in particular, rather than being preoccupied with constitutional questions.

And there is nothing normal about either the BNP or a certain sort of sectarian Marxism which taps, it is true, into an older Radical idea of a pre-Imperial, and thus (it is held) pre-British, England (something similar exists in pockets of English Catholicism, with the Reformation replacing the Empire). But expect the pair of them to share the running of any English Parliament, never mind of any independent England. In the other three parts of the United Kingdom, much the same thing may already be observed, and more than observed.

Well, for a start, what will George George Galloway say on his talkSPORT programme this weekend, about that station’s sacking of a BNP member?

If someone has employed you as casual cover and then says they have no plans to use you again in the future that does not constitute a “sacking”.

Before you all smirk, might I remind you that there are already stories of revenge attacks floating around, like this one:

“A Barnsley man escaped serious injury today after tripping over a paving stone in a street close to where a member of the British National Party is alleged to live.

The incident occurred in the next street to an address which appears on a leaked list of BNP members. The party has called on police to investigate amid claims that the paving stone was deliberately loosened in order to ‘maim or kill’ the person named on the list.

‘This was a deliberate act of terrorism aimed at a party member,’ said Arthur Camp, BNP regional organiser. ‘We are a legitimate political party, and we expect the full weight of the law to come crashing down on the people who carried out this despicable crime.’

Mr Camp sympathised with the man who tripped over the stone, who received ‘a bruised knee and some grazes,’ according to eyewitnesses.

‘This poor man is just another innocent victim of the relentless war being waged against the patriotic indigenous Anglo-Saxon guardians of these ancient islands,’ he said.

A police spokesman confirmed that they were investigating the incident, but believed that any connection was unlikely.”

David Lindsay,
You stated on another thread that the BNP will get at least 12 Euro MPs next May.
Would you like a charity bet that they won’t?
You didn’t answer on the other thread.

Sportsfans, EVERY SINGLE ONE of those You Tube Hitler parodies is pure, pure, GOLD!!! They’re ALL good!

Well, for a start, what will George George Galloway say on his talkSPORT programme this weekend, about that station’s sacking of a BNP member?

I’d imagine the station have told presenters not to talk about it, as they did in the McCann case.
George did what he was told then, I guess he will now.

Another funny.
Watch todays interview with a babbling Sarah Palin, while a bloke feeds turkeys into a butchering machine over her left shoulder.

No jokes about birds,gobbling,turkeys thanksgiving or headless chickens please.

heres the link

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=z-kjM1asH-8&fmt=18

Tim,
what’s wrong with her face? she looks terrible.

As a Spurs fan I just have to retaliate with http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=LcE1kHHW_E8 - pure comedy. But not Hitler!

Wasn’t Galloway told off by Talksport for talking about standing in a future by-election? I seem to remember him later saying to callers “I’m not allowed to talk about that now” as if implying he accidentally mentioned it previously.

Wasn’t there an allegation that listener’s e-mail addresses found their way into a Respect e-mail campaign. I certainly started getting e-mail’s and I’ve never registered with Respect or anyone else but have e-mailed the program (No, I’m NOT Steve the Mad Zionist from Camden and an Ariel Sharon supporter)

Thanks, Tim.
Remember folks, if McCain had been elected, that is who would have been President in one or two years.

Tim, I’m not a betting man.

There are not ten thousand Nazis in this country, still less are there enough Nazis to account for all the BNP’s voters.

Immigration, loss of sovereignty (to the EU, to the US, to global capital), break-up of the UK (devolution never supported by the majority of eligible vote in Scotland, never by more than a quarter in Wales, Sinn Fein-DUP carve-up wildly out of step with mainstream opinion across Northern Ireland, growing English sense of grievance), crime, drugs, anti-social behaviour, decline of traditional family and its values, discrimination and abuse (including violence) against the white working class - any of the three great political traditions in Britain has possible answers to these and many other problems, but none of the three current non-great parties will even talk about them.

I suspect if they had won, McCain may have fantasised a closer inspection of the turkey beheader for dear Sarah.

Hmm, David All, are you sure? The guy in the background (the video) looks like the typical American psycho killer (Texas Chainsaw Massacre, etc.). And he is looking at Palin… What happened when he ran out of turkeys? Didn’t he slaughter Sarah as well? Can anyone confirm she is still alive? ;)

talking of Nazis, have a gander at

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/5122/461198182140281/227/z/391077/gse_multipart30473.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger2/5122/461198182140281/227/z/197630/gse_multipart27765.jpg

that Mick Holmes, Ex-Lincs BNP Organiser and bodyguard to Nick Griffin showing his true colours, any idea what that is tattooed on his chest?

tim. I hadn’t seen that.

any idea what that is tattooed on his chest?

It is the emblem of the SS Totenkopf “Death’s head” division

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_SS_Division_Totenkopf

Unless you meant something else.

I find myself agreeing at least 80% with David Lindsay - however the BPA shouldn’t bother fielding a candidate in my constituency because Vince Cable will walk the election. But please go ahead everywhere else in the country.

yeah Graham, that and the fact that Mick Holmes, Ex-Lincs BNP Organiser and bodyguard to Nick Griffin, the BNP leader has swastikas and Hitler plastered over his chest and back as well!

I think even the likes of David Lindsay would have to acknowledge that the BNP is host to a pile of Hitler loving, neo-Nazis

I think even the likes of David Lindsay would have to acknowledge that the BNP is host to a pile of Hitler loving, neo-Nazis

Well yes, but by the same token everyone not totally stupid would have to acknowledge that it’s bollocks to pretend that all BNP members, supporters, sympathisers etc are actual Nazis or neo-Nazis. I mean, what kind of idiot does someone has to be not to understand that there are people who support the BNP but don’t wish Hitler had won the Second World War?

I mean, what kind of idiot does someone has to be not to understand that there are people who support the BNP but don’t wish Hitler had won the Second World War?

Here’s a post from a BNP supporter on a Pickled Politics thread who thinks that way. She also shows that the kind of person who supports BNP and does not recognise its Nazism is a bit confused.

Im on the list and im not racist at all. I purely joined the bnp because of there views on the buy british to keep british industries working and there views on looking after the elderley, as if it wasnt for my grandparents fighting in the war we would be german, then there would seriously be some race issues!!! Just as muslims dont like been tarred with the same brush as al queda, some members of the bnp dont like to be tarred with the same brush as neo nazi racists. Everybodys views are different. Thats why i joined the bnp, and you haters out there are making it worse for yourselves by making the pathetic phonecalls like the one ive just received. If youve nothing to hide dont withold your number….cowards

that Mick Holmes, Ex-Lincs BNP Organiser and bodyguard to Nick Griffin showing his true colours, any idea what that is tattooed on his chest?

That alleged quote from Hitler on his back is probably a fabrication. I can’t find any evidence of it outside of neo-Nazi sites.

That is bollocks, of the same order as:

“I only buy Playboy for the interviews”

Everybody knows that the BNP is a racist party. That is the whole point of the BNP. It may well have a fucking wonderful environmental policy, but that’s not why people vote for the BNP. They vote for the BNP, when they are feeling “a bit racist”. They might not be Nazis, but they certainly choose the BNP because, basically, they are a bit racist. People are ashamed that others might know that they’re voting BNP because they know that people will think that they’re racists. I had a secretary who voted BNP, once. She told me why. It was because she didn’t like black people. That was her reason. At least she had the fucking guts to say “Yes, I’m a racist”. None of this pathetic tubbyboohoo crap about “British industries!!”. He’d have voted for UKIP if he was for that.

Everybody knows this. I’ve read polling data, that shows that people will support the BNP’s policies, but not the BNP, because they know that they’re a racist party, and they don’t want a racist party in power. People who vote for them, do so because they do want a racist party. They actively choose a racist party. They do it because they are racists.

I’m sorry if I seem to have come over all Lee Jasper for a moment: but this is axiomatic, isn’t it?

The BNP is a party which would deport ethnic minorities. It deplores ‘misegenation’. It declares itself to be the representative of the Norse-Celtic-Irish-Anglo-Saxon-Welsh aboriginal peoples of the British Isles. Clause 2 of its constitution declares that it is the embodiment of the Folkish and Racial interests of these people. Its membership is ONLY open to people from, or assimilated into these groups. They’re Nazis.

I can accept that a person who votes for the BNP may do it carelessly, but a person who joins that party is in a different class. They’re members of an unincorporated association, bound together by a contract that defines the nature of the enterprise on which they are engaged. And that enterprise is, explicitly, a racist one. It is premised upon an open statement of fascist ideology, of the purest sort, which it explicitly states it would like to put into practice. As a matter of law, the BNP is defined as a collection of people, who have banded together on a fascist platform, and have paid over money to install a fascist state in this country.

It couldn’t get much clearer than that, could it?

Everybody knows that the BNP is a racist party.

That person I quoted evidently does not. She is a) not bright; b) ignorant; and c) (I would guess) young. That doesn’t make her less scary - a lot of street fighters for 30s fascism were not bright, ignorant and young.

I have some sympathy with your argument KB - having come across black people who say they intend to vote BNP. To some people it really is a matter of protest voting - and the protest may be against something which has nothing at all to do with race. They have just looked around at a totally uneducated way at a political system they don’t understand and have alighted on the BNP as “outsiders”. It is more common than the political classes think IMHO.

That alleged quote from Hitler on his back is probably a fabrication. I can’t find any evidence of it outside of neo-Nazi sites.

I believe it is lifted from an absolutely nutty book published in 1952 by James Battersby and known as “The Holy Book Of Adolf Hitler”.

Yes, Sheffield in relegation zone or something like that.

One of the best of the lot.

“Right, that’s it gentlemen, I won’t be renewing my season ticket… Warnock can go fuck himself”.

David T: “I’ve read polling data, that shows that people will support the BNP’s policies, but not the BNP, because they know that they’re a racist party, and they don’t want a racist party in power.

In April 2006, YouGov published a poll indicating just that. According to the Daily Mail report on it:

“More than a third of people, 37 per cent, said they would seriously consider voting for the BNP’s policies in an election. But identifying the BNP with the policies caused support to fall by 17 per cent.

General Election statistics confirm this. In the 2005 election, the BNP fielded candidates in 119 constituencies, identified by the party as offering the best chance of success. Across all of these carefully selected seats, targeted because immigration was seen as the key issue in those areas, the BNP - the only party promoting an anti-immigration agenda - attracted on average 4% of the vote: just 4 out of every 100 people who voted.*

The failure rate was 100% - not a single MP elected. Of those 119 failed candidates, 85 suffered the double humiliation of losing their deposits for failing to gain a minimum 5% share of the vote.

Looks like YouGov got it right.

(*In terms of average percentage of the vote across seats contested, even Respect beat them, with an average of 7%.)

http://www.psr.keele.ac.uk/area/uk/ge05/partycand.htm

Wonder how popular a party that advocated the BNP’s positions on hot topics like immigration, which seem to have some popularity would be? Particularly if such a party were to make it clear they are neither fascist nor racist.

“Wonder how popular a party that advocated the BNP’s positions on hot topics like immigration, which seem to have some popularity would be? Particularly if such a party were to make it clear they are neither fascist nor racist.”

Does such a party (e.g. UKIP, even arguably Labour) not already exist? I guess it depends on the definition of the word “racist”.

The biggest difference, at least in rhetoric, would appear to be that Labour is putting the onus on immigrants to “integrate”, and blaming them for not doing so, but will not advocate any policy that selects immigrants for cultural compatibility in the first instance. “Britishness tests” are idiotic since cultural compatibility is not a matter of knowledge.

I actually believe, simply from immigration data, that recent British immigration policies may have a covert element of racism. They are certainly indirectly racist in that they favour white eastern Europeans, but also certain qualification requirements appear to favour Chinese and Phillipinos over Africans or south Asians. There appears to be a reduction with regards to the use of Asylum and Family Reunion for immigration, particularly the former, which are routes to immigration more often used by Africans, Middle Easterners and South Asians. Accident or design?

When I said, rascist, I mean openly rascist like the Klan or the BNP are. There are various ways of speaking in code as it is called, that appeal to rascists without openly doing so. Something like the UKIP is what I was thinking about, perhaps with a more populist anti-Establishment slant with a touch of nostaglia for the good old days of white Britainia, our kith and kin sort of thing. Yes something like the British Peoples Alliance with a meaningful platform.

“It deplores ‘misegenation’. It declares itself to be the representative of the Norse-Celtic-Irish-Anglo-Saxon-Welsh aboriginal peoples of the British Isles. Clause 2 of its constitution declares that it is the embodiment of the Folkish and Racial interests of these people. Its membership is ONLY open to people from, or assimilated into these groups. They’re Nazis.”

By that argument the ruling Liberal Democratic party of Japan would be Nazis. Is this your position? In particular see their policy which permits Brazilians of Japanese racial origin to immigrate to Japan but not Brazilians in general.

Of course obviously the BNP have a big element of Nazi sympathy, but such a racist policy is not in my opinion sufficient to establish that a party is Nazi.

Not that I personally have anything against “miscegenation” per se. In general I’m all for it as a way to produce a less multi-ethnic society thereby reducing the possibility of ethnic competition or conflict. Nor would I trust the BNP anywhere near power, but I don’t think that a preference in immigration based on race is illegitimate in a democracy. Any policy that would restrict who someone could choose to have children with, where both are existing citizens, would however be anti individual liberty and hence totally unacceptable.

David T

Great article and I giggled for a long time and replayed the video time after time.

That is bollocks, of the same order as: “I only buy Playboy for the interviews”

Well. not everybody is, or wants to be as perceptive as you David. I can accept that a lot of UK voters, with not too much education , would see the BNP as a party that would preserve UK culture against an influx of other cultures some of which are perceived, (rightly), as detrimental to the ‘English way of life’. This and other articles might encourage them to look a little deeper and see the underlying philosophy but Nick Griffin and his mates have gone to a lot of trouble over the years to camouflage the true Nazi base. From just such non-discerning people.

Everybody knows that the BNP is a racist party. That is the whole point of the BNP.

No. Sadly, not everybody.

I think exposes, like this one, have a great part to play in ‘educating’ the rather less informed UK public. However, ‘those people’ are not the ones who see the Internet as a means to widening their educational experience but as a means to rather simple enjoyment. Computer games and suchlike.

Let’s face it. The vast majority of the UK media make efforts to ‘out’ the BNP as a racist party. Some people are convinced otherwise or see the racist ‘under’ platform as acceptable IF penetration of certain job markets by cheap labor is curtailed by BNP policies.

It is a fact of life and one of the many weaknesses of democracy.

And, yet Reality, the BNP has more than quintupled its vote since 1997.

“I only buy Playboy for the interviews”

Well, if Robert Anton Wilson was the editor then I might. If I wanted porn I’d have bought Razzle the Playboy look is too prissy. Also I’ve never seen any Big Juggs slippers intended for young girls.

You are the BNP voters, David All.

The Political Class wants a breakthrough for the BNP. Numerous Westminster Villagers (David All included - if he denies it, then he’s just a liar) sped that along in the polling booths of London not so long ago, making sure that the BNP got the GLA list seat for which it was in any case well on course.

And they regard with unalloyed glee the prospect of at least nine, and probably 12, BNP MEPs next year. That would secure First Past The Post for at least a generation. It would be the excuse for all manner of repressive measures aimed mostly at the white working class, and therefore likely to receive little or no media coverage.

And it would confirm all their own prejudices, enabling them to denounce “pandering” to actual or potential BNP voters.

David All, like several other HP stalwarts, voted for Boris for Mayor, and for the BNP for the Assembly. There’s no point trying to deny it.

Lindsay’s lack of reading skills is showing, prior to the London elections, many HP posters argued AGAINST voting for Boris (see any related thread and read mine or Graham’s comments), however, it is true to say that a minority of individuals were thoroughly disenchanted with Ken’s pandering to Right-Wing clerics and communallism, but that’s a different kettle of fish.

As far as I can tell NO HP author voted for the BNP, I imagine that the Greens picked up those votes.

If memory serves, three people MIGHT have expressed some sympathy for the BNP as a protest vote, Alciun, Maven and JP, but as we all know those individuals are Right-Wing deranged, non too rational and extremist in their outlook, and they represent only themselves.

Lindsay, you’d have to ask them yourself who they voted for, and as, I believe, two of them are outside of the UK and non-British nationals, then I doubt they COULD.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=KGMEn1gnCTs&feature=channel

The BNP is a party which would deport ethnic minorities. It deplores ‘misegenation’. It declares itself to be the representative of the Norse-Celtic-Irish-Anglo-Saxon-Welsh aboriginal peoples of the British Isles. Clause 2 of its constitution declares that it is the embodiment of the Folkish and Racial interests of these people. Its membership is ONLY open to people from, or assimilated into these groups. They’re Nazis.

You were doing so well until that last sentence. You can be racist, in favour of deporting ethnic minorities, against miscegenation and all the rest of it but it wouldn’t make you a Nazi. It would obviously put you on the far right, but the Nazis, if you remember, were totalitarians who exterminated people from what they deemed lesser races. That does rather distinguish them from other far right or nationalist or racist parties. Some members of the BNP might be Nazis; it doesn’t mean the BNP are Nazis. This is really obvious, surely.

Lindsay’s lack of reading skills is showing

It’s more that he’s a nutter, with his own loopy idea of logic. When he says “David All, like several other HP stalwarts, voted for Boris for Mayor, and for the BNP for the Assembly”, he doesn’t actually mean that David All cast a vote for Boris or the BNP, he means some other shit. I, however, did cast a vote for Boris for Mayor, but my Assemby votes were Liberal Democrat and Green.

In the 2005 election [...] the BNP - the only party promoting an anti-immigration agenda

Is anyone else thinking what I’m thinking?

An anti-immigration agenda that said “immigration is a bad thing and there never should be any of it ever” would be insane and wrong. But a managed immigration agenda that said “immigration is a good thing but this Government has blithely allowed mass immigration on unprecedented levels without giving a fuck about the consequences” would probably resonate somewhat among the voters.

King Creole - If I wanted porn I’d have bought Razzle the Playboy look is too prissy. Also I’ve never seen any Big Juggs slippers intended for young girls.

You prefer the slutty worn out look as well do you???

Heh. That’s hilarious.

“When he says “David All, like several other HP stalwarts, voted for Boris for Mayor, and for the BNP for the Assembly”, he doesn’t actually mean that David All cast a vote for Boris or the BNP, he means some other shit.”

Oh no I don’t.

I mean it exactly as it stands.

Furthermore, I have no doubt whatever that everyone living in London and listed either as a signatory to the Henry Jackson Society or as one of the original signatories to the Euston Manifesto voted in the same way: for Boris for Mayor, and for the BNP on the list. I have no doubt whatever about that.

By so doing, of course, you removed a son of the white working class and replaced them with an Ottoman aristocrat of very recent extraction who has publicly recited the Shahada is Arabic and who has now called for an amnesty for illegal immigrants.

BNP stalwarts did this because they are thick, or at least extremely ill-informed. But you did it on purpose, just as you purposely put a BNP member on the GLA in order to blame it on the white working class, the better to marginalise it yet further politically, and the better to repress it yet further economically, socially, culturally and physically.

David, could you confirm one thing for me - when you say in your relply to my comment: “you purposely put a BNP member on the GLA in order to blame it on the white working class”, are you seriously telling me that I purposely put a BNP member on the GLA? If so, how exactly did I do this given that my GLA votes were for a Liberal Democrat and a Green; if not, what the fuck are you going on about?

As mad as a Benjamin sandwich…

Alciun, Maven and JP, but as we all know those individuals are Right-Wing deranged

Take your pills, mate - that foam dribbling down your shirt-front is most unseemly.
You are one heck of an example of a left-wing airhead loony who thinks that anyone who disagrees with him must be ‘right-wing deranged’.

Furthermore, I have no doubt whatever that everyone living in London and listed either as a signatory to the Henry Jackson Society or as one of the original signatories to the Euston Manifesto voted in the same way: for Boris for Mayor, and for the BNP on the list. I have no doubt whatever about that.

Well, no, you wouldn’t: you are a certified lunatic who thinks he knows what went on in every last polling booth in the country.

By so doing, of course, you removed a son of the white working class and replaced them

sic.

BNP stalwarts did this because they are thick, or at least extremely ill-informed

Someone who thinks that ‘a son’ goes with ‘them’ in the sentence quoted above, is an ignoramus who should look in the mirror instead of telling others that they are thick.

Twice as mad as a Benjamin sandwich…

with filling!

Some members of the BNP might be Nazis; it doesn’t mean the BNP are Nazis.

Wardy, don’t you think the above statement might be just as plausibly rendered as

Some members of the BNP might not be Nazis; it doesn’t mean the BNP aren’t Nazis.

Voter, yeah, although I prefer my version. Anyway the point is that saying that the BNP is exactly equal to the Nazis is a lie. Do I have to keep pointing this out? Nah, because we all know it.

At the moment no they are not, though they might be compared to the Nazi Party circa 1928.