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GREAT! Thanks for the tip. I LOVE sweet potatoes and ramiro peppers and it always puts a smile on my face knowing that i’m supporting israels economy by buying them. I have however stopped (well tried to stop unless i really need something) buying produce labelled from the west bank.

It seems as though this website is telling the world to boycott kosher goods and to be honest, if you’re not jewish you SHOULD boycott koshers goods - they’re ridiculously expensive! - nice to know that this website wants to save the average brit some money on their weekly supermarket shop.

I buy dates from Sainsbury’s that are sourced from Jewish settlements in the West Bank. It’s a bit hypocritical as I think these settlements are illegal and should be dismantled. But you can’t get better quality madjool dates, since the Iranians and Iraqis destroyed most of the ancient date plantations along the Shatt al-Arab as they ethnic cleansed the local population to make way for military bases, terrorist training camps and hideous petrochemical plants. The Jews are, at least, producing something delicious rather than dangerous.

Thanks Gene, Israel’s economy needs all the support it can get to overcome the Saudi led boycott of Israel.

Dan, that’s the Jews for you. Even when they are doing something illegal, they produce something sweet!

Should not be surprised by all this wonderful Israeli produce. After all, is not Zion, the land of Milk and Honey?!

There’s a brand of halavah from Israel (I think) which has two kinds of packaging. You can buy it in Hebrew packaging or in Arabic packaging. Most stores which want one wouldn’t sell the other, though I’ve seen both next to each other in a fancy grocery in California.

I am rather dubious over the notion of patriotic or nationalistic buying of products. I think this notion should be rejected.

The only criteria should be price, performance or quality of products.

Dan: you can’t get better quality madjool dates, since the Iranians and Iraqis destroyed most of the ancient date plantations

What happened to the Saudi dates I used to eat in the UK as a child? They were definitely the best in those days (early seventies). Mind you, Israeli dates have definitely improved in quality since (and that’s taking into consideration that here in Israel we probably get the second best, the better quality produce most likely going for export).

Anyway, when will these oh so ethical consumers understand that Israel’s best produce is technological know-how that goes into their computers and their medicine? They’ll never bring us to our knees by boycotting our cherry tomatoes and our history professors.

By the way, isn’t the reason that some of our goods are labeled in Arabic, that we are quietly selling to much of the Arab world? Maybe good that the Brits boycott us. More for our neighbors who find it difficult to feed themselves, but can’t buy from us openly. (Every so often scandal breaks out in some Arab country, because Israeli produce has been discovered in the market - perhaps because someone made a mix up and a ‘Made in Israel’ label found its way to the wrong location?).

Talking about boycotts, Israel is the main market for Palestinian produce. You boycott Israel, you are also inadvertently harming the Palestinians you are trying to help.

Very soon you will be able to buy Israeli dates from plants that existed 3000 years ago (an old seed was germinated succesfully two years ago).
BTW, don’t forget to follow the new Israeli procedure to hermetically close surgery wounds with laser, and let the Piesi people get stitched and scarred by the usual suture procedure.

The only criteria should be price, performance or quality of products.

That’s a “no” to ethical purchasing choices then, Benjamin. Let the market rule!

14-16 December: 10.30am-5pm
Next to Waitrose, Temple Fortune, London NW11

Israeli street market - arts and crafts from Israel

Organised by ZF

Come and buy your seasonal presents - tell your friends

Thanks for the tip Jonathan Hoffman. I’ll be there.

My mum endorses this Israeli product http://www.tzora.com/product_11&hl=en-GB though tbh she just bought it for the clever design, ease of use etc.

Should we be linking to Hate Sites? See who’s posting it is? Gene.

Here’s some of the crap there

Palestine - a stolen land

“Legal” theft

Gene is still continuing his theme that Jews have no right to live in Judea and Samaria (West Bank) despite The Mandate For Palestine saying that they do.

Neat disguise. Doesn’t work for me.

All this fuss about Milliband trying to force goods made in West Bank not labelled as Made In Israel. Good Idea, lets label it ALL “Made in Palestine” and then the dumbos won’t know if they are buying Jewish or Arab products (because that matters to antisemites)

BTW look out for Yarden foods and if you buy plastic stuff for the graden then Keter (sold by most DIY chains) is Israeli. Same with Dates, some peaches and fresh herbs. Note that Jaffa Oranges is also a type and can come from Spain (not that I have anything against Spain at all)

Remember all the MPAC UK attacks against shops who sold Israeli Dates for Ramadan?

“What happened to the Saudi dates I used to eat in the UK as a child?”

I haven’t seen any Saudi dates in the shops. I’m still munching my way through a stock I bought in Dubai, produced in the UAE. But they are a bit tasteless.

I oppose the Iranian regime, but I continue to buy stuff originating from Iran - particularly spices such as saffron. Consumer boycotts won’t change the regime, but could hurt some of the poorest in the country: farmers, artisans, etc. Iranian dates are also good, but the best ones can only be procured directly from Iran.

What Maven doesn’t, um, mayveen, is that I was not endorsing the boycott-Israel site, but rather subverting its original purpose to encourage the purchase of Israeli products.

I have a Croatian Israeli Holocaust survivor friend who took me to an Iranian grocery in London as the only obtainable sour cherry jam like her Austro Hungarian mother used to make, is from Iran. I buy Iranian pomegranate treacle from Sainsburys which is essential to make the Sephardi recipes in Claudia Rosen’s book.

When I first went to Israel in the mid 60s as a child, we came back to SA laden with plastic marvels such as holders for draining cutlery after washing, the likes of which we had not seen before, and something called a Wonderpot, which was used to bake cakes on top of the stove (hob) as many people didn’t have ovens in Israel then.

there was this hand cream made with dead sea oligo-elements that was really good! also the bath salt… totally recommended!

Yes, of course shops can sell both. Those with vested interests to polarise the conflict live by “either/or” rather than “both/and” and conveniently ignore the collaborative projects between Israelis and Palestinians, in everything from agriculture to medicine and science and technology.

Having said all that, I am going to ask Gene or anyone else to publish the actual list of outlets for Israeli goods here on Harry’s Place. I went to the web page but nowhere could I find it and I would like to disseminate it, so any assistance would be welcome.

What Maven doesn’t, um, mayveen, is that I was not endorsing the boycott-Israel site, but rather subverting its original purpose to encourage the purchase of Israeli products

Gene, sincere apologies. You could see how I was confused when the website supports the idea that Jews have no rights to West Bank and that fitted your stated policy a few threads ago.

Its the problem trying to speed read through a dodgy eye. Vitreous Haemorhage (too much info). Op soon.

At least I’ll own up when I’m wrong!

These boycotters really are humourless fanatics (amongst other, mostly worse, things), aren’t they?

(re. Dead Sea Products).

With stalls usually staffed by young Israelis, the marketing approach can be quite aggressive, but pleasant. On the other hand, when questioned on the ethics of selling the product, the pleasant response can change to one of confrontation and anger

Hmm. I was approached by one of their salespeople in the shopping centre behind Victoria station, I think just over a year ago: “aggressive, but pleasant”, even very pleasant, would sum them up well. (Contrary to speculation I am not some kind of namby-pamby metrosexual ponse who is familiar with the sort of products which were there thrust upon me: but needless to say I, as I hurried to the number 16 bus stop afterwards, I felt as though some years had been taken from me). But the saleswoman was lovely, and I did consilder saying “you know that some of us here are broadly sympathetic towards your country, dont you”, but it would have seemed both inadequate and inappropriate (not least as I think it’s easy to get an exaggerated sense of the supposed extent of hostility towards Israel in the US by hanging out online at places such as this).

re “Jaffa”

The fact that the description “JAFFA” has long been associated with Israeli citrus exports, particularly oranges, is due to the success of Israeli propaganda (which has always ignored the the Palestinian origins of the Jaffa orange). This orange has long been cultivated throughout the world, possibly originating from China. It is a name hi-jacked by the Israeli state. Increasingly producers appear to be trying to reap the benefit of using the name JAFFA, so not all JAFFA oranges are sourced from Israel. Care should be taken in checking the country of origin before purchasing produce with the JAFFA label. As to any benefits which may accrue to Israel through foreign growers using the name JAFFA, this is currently unclear

Oh FFS. And no mention of its counter-hi-jacking by the creators of slang to mean an infertile man.

And this, in a quote from their correspondance directed towards “Peace Oil”

Finally, the uprooting of fruit bearing and olive oil trees is a regular activity of the occupation forces. It is estimated that over a million trees have been uprooted to prepare the way for Israel’s infamous “wall”. The irony of this act of wanton vandalism, of the impact of such economic depredation for Palestinian civil society, and the use of olive oil, by Peace Oil, to ostensibly promote “peace” is not lost on the British shopper.

* Would you like to comment on this?

Easi-Piesi has yet to receive a reply

Maybe a two-word reply would be superfluous?

http://www.easi-piesi.org will be a vibrant, interactive site.

Erm, as I believe the youth of today are prone to say (or type,or write), lol.

Honestly If I was trying to promote a boycott I would do so with panache and charisma, not this tedious mealy-mouthed wankery that, however, does accurately succeed in capturing the petty and obsessive nature of those running this “campaign”

Although, the initially here

It will, initially, encourage the shoppers of the UK to make the ethical decision not to purchase Israeli goods on the shelves of the supermarkets.

is presumably intended to be ominous.

And I find it difficult (maybe not impossible, but difficult) to believe the claim that the UK imports “at least two thirds of Israeli produce”. Even if it were to be true - having just looked at some vaguely relevant statistics - the actual impact of these boycotts, were they to spread (which seems unlikely), in purely economic terms, would appear to be, at the Israeli end, fairly minor, given that produce is not a very major part of Israeli export trade as a % of all exports, and that the UK, overall, takes around no more than 4% of all exports from Israel.

as a online shopper for sainsburys, I always use my judgement to pick the Israeli sourced goods for my customers. makes me smile that I’m doing my ‘bit’

Yeah the half arsed product lists were part of the entertainment value imo. Fwiw the folding scooter is available from aqua soothe ltd. and the old model easily fits in the boot of a fiat punto - the current model has a wider and more thickly cushioned seat and fancier arm rests so I’d check it for yourself.

I kicked myself for succumbing to the charm of the salesman and finding myself with £20 worth of hand and nail products for my non existent nails.
I was speaking to an Arab man from Africa recently who told me he had business dealings with 2 charming men who also he later found sold Dead Sea products. As their friendship flourished, they invited him out to dinner. He insisted they come to his place and he would cook for them. He noticed they were eating the salad and avoiding the meat. He told them it was Halal chicken and lamb and they should at least try it. Relieved, they told him were Israeli Jews and hadn’t been sure what the meat was. (I was surprised as many secular Israelis don’t seem to worry about “white meat”- also surprised at their reciprocal ignorance - them not realising he wouldn’t serve them pork.) He said their revelation struck him like a bolt of lightening. Then he realised had he known earlier in their acquaintance it would have put him off. Well, you know I am also Jewish, I told him. Shalom, ma shlomech was his enthusiastic response. I wish I could tell you the circumstances of our conversation; all I can say at this stage he is a very brave and wonderful person.

Shall we post the perennial list of Israeli origination products that we hope the boycotters will boycott.

Computers, Mobile phones, Internet, medicine etc

Then we can truly tell them to f… off to a cave somewhere and die young in the happy knowledge that they avoided anything to do with Israeli/Jewish tainted products, including those medicines and medical technology that could save their lives.

Remember the proposed Israel product boycott by the NUJ? The reporters said “So, if I’m covering Israel I can’t go to the sandwich shop and buy my lunch?” Derrrrr!!!!

I suppose if we were supporting Israel we could try boycotting Arab stuff and Arab inspired products (remembering Kilroy-SIlk) but its so hard to find things that if I boycotted then they would have any impact on my daily life. I know you’ll say oil but its Western technology that gets it out of the ground for them.

If I pick up a product and see there is an Israeli one I could choose then I choose it.

NW11 is my hometown. ‘haven’t been back in nearly ten years, since my dad died.

The list, copy paste and print, then pop it into you wallet, purse or saddle bag for easi pesi access next time you go shopping:

Adafresh
Adanim Tea Co. Ltd.
Agrexco
Ahava
Abir
Agriver
Beigel & Beigel
Barkan Wine Cellars Ltd.
Carmel
Catom
Cut Flowers
Dead Sea Products
Eden Springs
Golan Heights Winery
Jaffa
MTex
Mapal Plastic Products
Soda-Club Ltd.
Shamir Food Industries Ltd.
Stock S.p.A.
Top Eden Fruits Ltd
UMS Trade
Zeraim Gedera

Thanks for doing the research easi-pesi.org.

Maven, of course we should!

After all, if it’s worth doing they should do it properly.

I notice easi-piesi.org doesn’t propose a boycott of Intel chips designed in Israel. That would be amusing as it might prevent them updating their pisspoor website. They are clearly boycotting anyone with web design skills.

I would also suggest not boycotting products from Judea and Samaria /West Bank as these are more likely to employ palestinians, which I think is a good thing.

RE: “What Maven doesn’t, um, mayveen, is that I was not endorsing the boycott-Israel site, but rather subverting its original purpose to encourage the purchase of Israeli products.”

Gene, what do you expect from someone who gets his worldview from and believes everything he hears on U.S. right-wing radio and Fox — certainly not sophistication, nuance or subtlety of thought.

Gene, what do you expect from someone who gets his worldview from and believes everything he hears on U.S. right-wing radio and Fox — certainly not sophistication, nuance or subtlety of thought.

viledechaye, you are so right. I try to hide it but a great intellect like yourself can see through it. I have no sophistication. No matter how often I get told not to pick my nose with a pencil I just feel compulsed to do it. I know its my Autistic Spectrum that doesn’t allow me to appreciate the social conventions which is why I might say something socially unacceptable without realising.

I do lack subtlety of thought which is why I can’t even be humourous or indulge in parody. In Aspergers we take everything literally. Ever since David T asked if I counted cards I can’t stop.

I’d try being nuanced but I don’t know what it means. Sounds like nusance and so I find that easier.

Sorry if I misunderstood whether you were insulting me or just observing. I like the Muhammed Ali quote:- “If I had a lower IQ I think I could understand your conversation”. Sounded good. No idea of the nuance.

Apple Crumble rather than Rhubarb.

The best dried figs I’ve had were sold on long strings by the roadside in Jordan. A friend travelling with me loved them too, but unfortunately didn’t know that they act as a natural laxative. He found out the hard way that you shouldn’t eat an entire string of them in a day, particularly when you are spending much of the time on a coach.

P.

I notice easi-piesi.org doesn’t propose a boycott of Intel chips designed in Israel.

That’s as intellectually dishonest as — well, as a country that boycotted Wagner’s music while making ample use of guided missiles, a Nazi invention.

That’s as intellectually dishonest as — well, as a country that boycotted Wagner’s music while making ample use of guided missiles, a Nazi invention.

Mr. Buster, I’m pleased to learn that you oppose boycotts of Israeli products. And BTW, recordings of Wagner’s music have always been available in Israel.

Hasbara Bust Fail, you would prefer that Israel didn’t avail itself of military technology. We know that. However Israel didn’t buy military equipment from the third Reich. If your fascist friends want to boycott Israel then logic dictates that they should boycott Intel and other international companies that base production in Israel. Got the point? Now fuck off.

Ms Hasbara.

Have you ever considered moving to CI(F).

There you would be amongst friends. (Cough).

J-BIG=”Jews for Buying Israeli Goods”

Jonathan - Thanks for posting the information about the Israel Street Market (December 14-16).

We’ll be there.

To all boycotters of Israeli goods:

I’d like to make it easy for you. Please sign this form, print it off and give a copy to your physician. You should also provide one to your next of kin and keep one about your person, in case of a medical emergency. Where about your person you might wish to secrete it is up to you, but suggestions can be provided.

PS this is a free service so send it to your friends who feel the same way about Israel.

*****************

“I [Name Here] declare that if admitted to hospital I do not want to receive any Zionist medical treatment developed in Israel or by Israelis, wherever in the world they may reside. This includes in particular the miniaturised, self-propelling, self-navigating and disposable colonoscopic camera called the Aer-O-Scope.

This Zionist technology was developed by Ben Goldwasser who founded the Israeli startup company GI-View in 2003. The Aer-O-Scope uses a balloon and air pressure to carry a miniature camera though the bowel. The camera boasts a feature called Omnivision - which enables 360 degree viewing of the colon, including inside hard-to-see folds where polyps tend to grow. A study, published as the cover story in the March 2006 issue of the medical journal Gastroentology, reported that in trials conducted in Croatia, the device made it through the entire length of the colon in 10 of 12 people. According to Professor Nadir Arber, head of the Department for Cancer Prevention at the Tel Aviv Sourasky Medical Center, and president of GI View’s scientific advisory board, the Aer-O-Scope provides images comparable with those of a standard colonoscopy, but with virtually none of the discomfort. The idea of using a camera in a device that moves through the colon is not new, according to Goldwasser, who trained at Duke and the Mayo Clinic before becoming professor and chairman of the department of urology at Tel Hashomer Medical Center in the 1980s. “The reason others failed is because they tried to think of motion in a classical sense - as motion created by traction - whether it’s traction on the ground when you’re walking or traction on the road,” he explained. “The colon is covered with mucous - which makes it slippery, much like ice. And like walking on ice, you have to glide. So the idea of the motion balloon came to us. If you have a balloon that can change its shape and diameter according to the changing shape of a colon, it could work like a piston inside an engine’s cylinder. Just like a cylinder is driven by the air pressure, if you take a balloon that accommodates to the size and shape of the area it’s in, it can be driven forward.” The device consists of a disposal unit with a rectal introducer, supply cable and scope contained within a scanning balloon, plus an automated console that directs the action under the guidance of a technician. The operator introduces the device into the rectum, and presses the forward button on the control panel. First the rectal balloon is inflated and then the scanner balloon with the embedded electro optical capsule is inflated. Pressure sensors within the workstation continuously measure the pressure inside, in front of and behind the scanner balloon. The console computer automatically controls the pressure in all three compartments and ensures that the balloon moves forward at the lowest possible pressure. At any time during the forward or reverse motion of the scanner balloon, the operator may press the pause or stop buttons. Pause can be used to gain a better look with the camera or to change the direction of balloon motion. Stop can be used to instantly deflate all compartments, for instance if the patient requests a rest.

Should I need a colonoscopy, I wish it to be known that on no account should this Zionist procedure be used for me, painless though it is. I would like instead to have the former procedure used on me, namely a cold, large (2 feet long) and painful (made of steel) anal probe shoved up my rectum. If the pain gets too much, just give me some painkillers - provided they were not made or developed by Zionists

Yours sincerely

(signature + date)

That’s as intellectually dishonest as — well, as a country that boycotted Wagner’s music while making ample use of guided missiles, a Nazi invention.

I’m puzzled. After the war many Nazis fled to Egypt. I don’t see much in the way or arm development there but do see their army still goose-stepping.

Extermination of the Jews was a Nazi invention and its an idea that appeals to the Palestinian. However, due to the same degree of lacking as evidenced by the Egyptians it seems they haven’t done that very well either.

I guess it takes an IQ above…. - well just an IQ I guess.

J-BIG - Thank you for that. I think the boycott movement should change their name to PROMAP - Probe My Anus for Palestine.

One of the Palestinian products is Taybe Beer brewed in Taibe - but isn’t Taibe in Israel?

Fools.

One of the Palestinian products is Taybe Beer brewed in Taibe - but isn’t Taibe in Israel?

Taibe is Egyptian territory in the Sinai.

There are apparently a few places called Taibe. The beer is brewed in a west bank village, not in the Israeli town and not in Egypt..

There are two Taibes.

Whem two Taibes go to war..

I hope everyone is following the increasing evidence that the whole Mumbai atrocity is somehow centred on Israel.

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2008/nov/281108-Nariman-House-terror-hub.htm

Hat Tip to Lenins Tomb comments for the link.

There are apparently a few places called Taibe. The beer is brewed in a west bank village, not in the Israeli town and not in Egypt..

Thanks.

I hope everyone is following the increasing evidence that the whole Mumbai atrocity is somehow centred on Israel

Really? Explain. I read the item but can determine nothing of teh sort.

Israelis get slaughtered and idiots try to work out how Israel is involved.

I’ve tended to follow the Islamic Terrorist Animals route myself. It makes more sense.

This was a joy to read

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1028661.html

And the boycotters had better hope that they don’t get strokes or become disabled when elderly:

http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp?enDispWho=Articles%5El2351&enPage=BlankPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enVersion=0&enZone=Health&

Or cut themselves badly:

http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp?enDispWho=Articles^l2340&enPage=BlankPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enVersion=0&enZone=Health&

Or develop heart failure or have a heart attack:

http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp?enDispWho=Articles^l2314&enPage=BlankPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enVersion=0&enZone=Health&

And if they got cancer, they’d have to refuse this:

http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp?enDispWho=Articles^l2266&enPage=BlankPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enVersion=0&enZone=Health&

And likewise if they should get Parkinson’s Disease, avoid this:

http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp?enDispWho=Articles^l2258&enPage=BlankPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enVersion=0&enZone=Health&

And if they should need surgery, be sure not to be operated on by a surgeon trained on one of these:

http://www.israel21c.org/bin/en.jsp?enDispWho=Articles^l2130&enPage=BlankPage&enDisplay=view&enDispWhat=object&enVersion=0&enZone=Health&

I always try and find produce from Eretz Yisroel when shopping.

It is such a great pleasure to fulfil some of the obligations regarding it’s holy produce, such as tithing.

Of course this past year has been a Shmittah year, (sabbatical year) and so I have not been able to buy any fresh fruit or Veg from Israel.

I find it ironic that the people who call for boycotts of Israeli produce, thereby attempting to cause financial damage of innocent Israeli’s, are normally the first to condemn Israel for “collectively punishing the Palestinians.

Wait and see Maven, I’ll bet that there’s the seed of a conspiracy theory in that article.

Wait and see Maven, I’ll bet that there’s the seed of a conspiracy theory in that article.

Tim, I’ve already suggested peopel google “mossad mumbai”. It started two days ago. I even heard an idiot on Galloway’s program say it in an e-mail

Funny how Galloway always reads an e-mail like this out loud and THEN expresses disgust at it. WHy not read it first and not broadcast it?

We know why - or can guess why.

We sell Palestinian (Zaytoun) hampers every Christmas made up by us using recycled boxes and paper. They cost £20 and contain olive oil, olive soap, Cous Cous, dates (which are delicious), almonds and green and black olives in jars. We even deliver within South East Hants for a small charge.

Why do we do this? As a practical way of helping hard pressed farmers and food workers in Gaza and the West Bank. Tim Dawes (SE Hants Green Party).

We sell Palestinian (Zaytoun) hampers every Christmas made up by us using recycled boxes and paper. They cost £20 and contain olive oil, olive soap, Cous Cous, dates (which are delicious), almonds and green and black olives in jars. We even deliver within South East Hants for a small charge.

Why do we do this? As a practical way of helping hard pressed farmers and food workers in Gaza and the West Bank. Tim Dawes (SE Hants Green Party).

May I say Well Done.

yes well done Time Dawes and SE Hants Green Party. Anything that contributes to the economic development of Israel and the Palestinian territories is good news.

Speaking of which, Taybeh beer is bloody great, and available on draft in west Jerusalem, in a bar just next door to the house where Jabotinsky lived, and where the british arrested him in 1920 for organizing Jewish self-defence. I’m sure he’d have approved. Do try it.

EDEN SPRINGS FEELS THE FORCE OF SCOTTISH PALESTINE SOLIDARITY CAMPAIGN

Israeli water cooler company Eden Springs has closed its East of Scotland depot after losing, according to a well placed industry insider, ‘hundreds of contracts’ across Scotland. Among the major losses in recent months, in an industry that is generally expanding, are contracts with East Lothian and West Lothian Councils and Caledonian MacBrayne Ferrries, the sole link between the mainland and Scotland’s many islands. Heriot –Watt University in Edinburgh has also cancelled and Stevenson College, the Scottish Council of Voluntary Organisations, as well as a number of Scottish trade union and student bodies have all voted to boycott Eden springs explicitly on the grounds of their violations of international and human rights law.

The closure of Eden Springs East of Scotland depot at Loanhead (Edinburgh) and the loss of so many contracts is widely recognised within the industry to be due in part, according to the same source, to a determined publicity campaign by the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign. This campaign is in response to the appeal from Palestinians, and is supported by the main Israeli peace group, Gush Shalom, who oppose Eden Springs’ violations of international and human rights law in the occupied Golan Heights.

Eden Springs has been keen to conceal its status as an-Israeli owned company. Another industry insider, who wished to remain anonymous, reports that Eden Springs manager, Graham Carruthers, has been canvassing customer responses to a name change as one way to limit the damage done by increasing association of the brand with Israel and its crimes. In view of the gravity of the crisis that Eden Springs faces in Scotland, Mr Carruthers has also been handling personally all calls to the sole remaining Scottish depot in Blantyre that relate to Eden Springs’ Israeli connection.

Contact campaign@scottishpsc.org.uk for more information and resources on getting rid of Eden Springs from your school, university, college or workplace.

encourage the purchase of Israeli products

Why would you want to encourage the purchase of products because they are from Israel?

Why would you want to encourage the purchase of products because they are from Israel?

Because doing so mystifies you.

Free Palestine and Benjamin, if you read the above thread you will see that the boycott campaign focusses exclusively on food products and ignores technology products. The effect of this campaign, if any, will therefore be felt by ordinary Israeli and Palestinian workers rather than the Israeli middle class. The reason for this bias in the boycott campaign may be that the boycotters can find replacements for Israeli food products but regard the technology products as indispensable. Whatever the reason, the campaign is clearly a busted flush even in its own terms.

Anyway by buying Israeli and Palestinian products we can contribute in a small way to economic development and to the peace process, and irritate fascists like the Scottish Palestine Solidarity Campaign.

I purchased a healthy sum of Dead Sea Products in West Vancouver. The very attractive salesman wasn’t aggressive at all but clearly very skilled at selling his goods to cougars like me. (The hand massage followed by the neck message was the clincher for me.)

I have also become hooked on Galil Mountain wines and go out of my way to find them. Israeli wines have really improved over the years.

now now maven. don’t get your knickers in a twist just cause you predicted over and over again how mccain/palin were going to win the election (because you get all your info from right-wing radio and Fox) despite all the evidence to the contrary available to any OBJECTIVE observer.

and by the way i was insulting u.

Hey Mar,

I live in Vancouver as well. Are you a local tribe member?

j.r.

Clearly the boycott is non-starter, and a trivial matter. However, Gene is advocating buying goods because they are from Israel, which is irrational. Goods are bought on the basis of price, utility and quality.

Well I see what you mean Benjo, but somehow I still find I have to buy fair trade coffee.

The Hasbara Buster:

guided missiles, a Nazi invention.

Ask Goddard.

but somehow I still find I have to buy fair trade coffee.

Somewhat different. Not patriotic/nationalistic buying based on geography, kinship or nation, but on the basis of a different economic deal for producers, or perceptions thereof.

Meir,

Not a member of the tribe but certainly very sympathetic to Israel.

So then Benja, your collated view currently stands at something like:

Goods are bought on the basis of price, utility, quality, a different economic deal for producers, or perceptions thereof, and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope.

What about dolphin-friendly tuna? Any views?

Coming to you shortly, your local, kosher Co-op!

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3630419,00.html

Co-Op Israel opening kosher supermarket chain in UK - Yediot HaAhronot

Free Palestine

“…supported by the main Israeli peace group, Gush Shalom…”

Thank you for serving the proof of your total and absolute ignorance regarding Israel. The main Israeli peace movement is Shalom Achsav. Gush Shalom is an irrelevant fringe group, doing much damage to the peace movement and the Palestinians with their lunatic actions.
They are the “main Israeli peace group” exactly like Eden Springs is the main Israeli hi-tech company.

“…who oppose Eden Springs’ violations of international and human rights law in the occupied Golan Heights…”

I see that instead of cool water you drink some thicker stuff…

now now maven. don’t get your knickers in a twist just cause you predicted over and over again how mccain/palin were going to win the election (because you get all your info from right-wing radio and Fox) despite all the evidence to the contrary available to any OBJECTIVE observer.

and by the way i was insulting u.

viledechaye, when someone writes “u” instead of “you” then you know they are a young person with undeveloped skills.

Its good to have clarification that your were trying to be insulting and needing to actually spelling it out. Its like someone saying, “that was a joke - why didn’t you laugh”. Hence, I don’t consider it as any real insult because to do that you would have to be elevated to at least ‘worthy’ status to issue one.

If you want to read the Guardian, Socialist Worker, Independent, watch BBC and Ch 4 all about “gunmen” and “naughty people slaughtering innocents” then that fits in with your “look at my I-pod and “wassup” lifestyle. Some of us prefer to look down on people like you and so I listen to the type of radio that verbally crushes the likes of you. I feel good and vindicated I’m on the right track.

I DO look down on you and I do feel superior to you too. In fact its not a feeling - its a fact for me. Firing insults at me is your equivalent of impotency. You probably seek a target to demonstrate to yourself that you aren’t as insignificant as you have been feeling and have been told.

Please, use me for target practice because I give feedback.

When Sean, Rush, Levin, Savage, Bortz, Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Cavuto, Gibson, Humphries and me take power you will be in a Gulag (without I-tunes downloads) and re-programmed.

LOL!!!!

(doesn’t one enjoy parody?)

now now maven. don’t get your knickers in a twist just cause you predicted over and over again how mccain/palin were going to win

I never predicted they WOULD win. I stated that at times there was momentum that meant they could win.

I was certainly against Obama because I think he has lied to get to the Presidency. But now he has appointed a neo-con administration that might be little different from Bush (except he’s better looking and he can re-state policies with the authority of “Change”) then I’m not exactly crying into my grits!

“Change you can Believe In” - I think he meant the small change you will scramble on the floor to pick up or find at the back of the sofa as the Economy goes down the Swanney River.

What about dolphin-friendly tuna? Any views?

As long as its an Israeli Dolphin who is being be-friended!!!

I always have this image of Tuna being pals with Dolphins and them all going on holiday to Florida Keys.

I remember last year that the Palestinians killed a beached dolphin while Israeli Dolphinarium saves dolphin lives. (Greasy moral equivalence!)

Co-Op Israel opening kosher supermarket chain in UK - Yediot HaAhronot

If I can calibrate something here. The Co-Op is an international Co-Operative that is run by Inter Co-Op in Denmark. Hence, there is hardly any linkage between the UK Co-Op and a Co-Op in Israel. This doesn’t mean that the local Co-Op will be selling kosher food and neither is this a reason to start picketing your local Co-Op because its nothing to do with them. They are all allowed to use the same logo.

I know this because I had great fun working with Inter Co-Op and visiting various Co-Op’s around the World (lucky me!).

If PSC start picketing the Co-Op in Glasgow that will be SO amusing!

King Creole,

Gene is advocating buying goods because they are Israeli, which is a nationalistic/patriotic buying, i.e. irrational. There are other forms of consumerism based on ethical grounds that are more rational, although any effects can be debated.

Love is irrational.
Benjamin does not know love.

Benjamin
I might buy Israeli and Palestinian goods because some bigots advocate boycotting them. Supporting the economy in Israel / Palestine is not necessarily nationalistic/patriotic. I think it is ethical.

Supporting the economy in Israel / Palestine is not necessarily nationalistic/patriotic. I think it is ethical.

It may not be ethical because you may end up damaging what you try to support. That is because its a form of consumer protectionism; deciding to buy a product because of its origin (over other considerations) creates a pool of less critical consumers that protects it from more critical consumers (buying using normal criteria) that would normally push for greater quality, innovation in the open market. Patriotic buying on a larger scale can only damage Israeli industry.

As regards other ethical buying, this may be beneficial if an alternative market can be created, in which normal market behaviours then take place.

Benjamin, do you really think that Jewish and Israeli consumers are less critical consumers?

Nice to see two Third World countries like Scotland and ‘Palestine’ sticking together though. I’m a big fan of solidarity. That’s why I eat so much All-Bran.

Yes I was thinking of boycotting single malts but then I thought, fuck it.

Did the Muslim boycott of Danish Bacon and Carlsberg over the Motoons make any difference to Danish economy? No!

Did sales of Danish flags to Muslim countries increase? Yes!

You know, I once wrote an essay about the mental gymnastics, verbal tics and loopy behaviours produced by nutty, ideological nationalism, but I suppose it was an era before mass consumerism convinced legions of tedious, infantile chicken-chokers that buying a bag of Israeli oranges on the weekly shop in Sainsbury’s is an act of unimpeachable morality and lion-hearted courage.

You know, I once wrote an essay about the mental gymnastics, verbal tics and loopy behaviours produced by nutty, ideological nationalism, but I suppose it was an era before mass consumerism convinced legions of tedious, infantile chicken-chokers that buying a bag of Israeli oranges on the weekly shop in Sainsbury’s is an act of unimpeachable morality and lion-hearted courage.

Let me guess, someone gave it back and asked you to write it in plain English so the spotty eight year olds could understand it. Get me a spotty…………… never mind, I already did that one.

Let’s hear it for the language-chokers. Cockle Doodle Doo!

Benjamin, do you really think that Jewish and Israeli consumers are less critical consumers?

Clearly a decision has been made to buy Israeli produce because it comes from Israel. If that is the case, you are demoting other concerns to an extent. You could then choose quality from the pool of Israeli produce, but clearly if you want Israel to be strong you want it to compete on the international market.

This sort of behaviour is not particularly damaging around the edges; but I hope the idea of patriotic or nationalistic consumerism does not catch on because it will damage Israeli industry in the long term if it does.

clearly if you want Israel to be strong you want it to compete on the international market.

without a ’sympathy vote’ as it were (these things are fickle). You need it to compete on quality and price only.

It’s not easy being you is it Benje?

Depends what mood I am in, King Creole :-)

without a ’sympathy vote’ as it were (these things are fickle). You need it to compete on quality and price only.

Anyone ever told you that you are one smug tosser?

Israeli fruit and veg are the best in the world, and I buy them on quality all the time. If they come from the so-called ‘West Bank’, all the more so.

I would not knowingly buy ‘Palestinian’ goods (not that I have seen any for years), just as I try to avoid Chinese goods. What I can I do - I dislike mass-murdering cavemen.

It’s a bit hypocritical as I think these settlements are illegal

Another idiot spouting the nonsense about ‘illegal’ settlements.

That’s as intellectually dishonest as — well, as a country that boycotted Wagner’s music while making ample use of guided missiles, a Nazi invention.

The usual ignorant crap from this ignorant pile of crap.

Maven, don’t bother to try a grown-up conversation with an idiot who thinks Istanbul is Turkey’s capital.

if you want Israel to be strong you want it to compete on the international market.

I don’t think Israel needs our help in this department - see above.

Hi Mar,

Gotcha thanks! Be well….

Israeli fruit and veg are the best in the world, and I buy them on quality all the time.

If Israeli fruit and veg are the ‘best in the world’, there is no need for patriotic buying, because they will be successful in the market anyway (there is no need to counteract any boycott because it has a negligible effect). I agree that some Israeli products are good - but that’s the only reason why I buy them.

The vast majority of clothing now sold in M&S has made in China labels ; how the hell do I know if its made in labour or , euphamistically re-education camps ?

If Israeli fruit and veg are the ‘best in the world’, there is no need for patriotic buying, because they will be successful in the market..

That will be true among Muslims just as soon as Allah unwrites Bakari, the Koran and the other Islamic scripture that villainize Jews.

The vast majority of clothing now sold in M&S has made in China labels ; how the hell do I know if its made in labour or , euphamistically re-education camps

Indeed. Perhaps an email to Stuart Rose is in order.