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As though PhD’s are some sort of protection from being a totalitarian. PhD holders are probably overly represented in the support/cover/excuse making of most hideous regimes in history.

Bet they don’t!

Predictably my tongue in cheek comment on the Times website about how cuddly Hamas are according to this guy was passed over.

Not a word about rejection of Israel’s right to exist, rockets or suicide bombs into Israel, persecution of Gazan Christians, recent murders of Fatah people, use of their own population as human shields, endless, viscious anti-semitism and anti Israeli propaganda in schools, media, mosques and universities…staggering. Or maybe not. Maybe we (or they) are all Hamas now.

any thoughts on Obama’s dinosaur problem?

What a cunt he is by the way.

Palestinian terrorists have been using gullible Westerners like William Sieghart for decades. But he takes it to a new level here. They must have seen him coming a mile off, poor man.

Derek

OT: but Warren is a disgrace and should be disowned immediately.

Those sneaky neocons have invaded Obama’s brain.

I suspect your link is wrong -

Probably should be this “forward thinking”

http://www.forwardthinking.org/

rather than this one

http://www.forwardthinkinginc.com/

“Sieghart, who last year he brought Hamas spokesman”

Boasting more than 500 PhDs in its ranks, the majority are middle-class professionals – doctors, dentists, scientists and engineers”.

Doctors:-

“When amputating fingers for confessions what is the correct surgical procedure to seal the wound”

Dentists:-

“Before drilling suspects teeth what would you rub into their gums to show you could offer them pain relif if they confess” (Clue: See Marathon Man with that Jew Dustin Hoffman)

Scientists and Engineers:-

“Build a Grad missile from sticky back plastic and loo rolls or describe the bomb power needed for a suicide mission in a) a disco b) a Pizza Parlour c) a passover celebration”

Anyone could get a PhD.

I wonder what Barry and Rahm are chatting about right now? Other than Governor Blago and his flourishing little auctioneer business.

Gaza is a secular society where people listen to pop music, watch TV and many women walk the streets unveiled

He says nothing about Hamas Shariah police who actually impose the opposite. Says nothing about the persecution of Christaians.

Sieghart seems to have a Friends Reunited list of Hamas members and their qualifications.
Or maybe he doesn’t.

We must adjust our distorted image of Hamas

Absolutely.

It is said that this conflict is impossible to solve. In fact, it is very simple. The top 1,000 people who run Israel – the politicians, generals and security staff – and the top Palestinian Islamists have never met. Genuine peace will require that these two groups sit down together without preconditions. But the events of the past few days seem to have made this more unlikely than ever. That is the challenge for the new administration in Washington and for its European allies.

Jaw jaw is better than war war, particularly as this war is futile and will not destroy Hamas. Israel has got almost zero chance to achieve its objectives in this military operation. In that sense William Sieghart is right.

Israel has got almost zero chance to achieve its objectives in this military operation.

What are Israel’s military objectives, Benj?

Whoops, wrong link, thanks Mark T

Due to space the Telegraph article had to be shortened. I have secured the edited bits and feel that it contributes to the debate.

……. and I know that Hamas have sent flowers to every victim of rockets fired into Israel and planted trees in the memories of those who were killed.

Finally, to a hall where young Gazan women were sewing corsets for the thriving Gaza lingerie market……..

Mesquito

I have heard three military objectives so far. One, to stop rocket attacks. Two, to destroy Hamas. Three, to remove it from government (two and three are possibly interrelated).

One: it possibly can temporarily stop rocket attacks, but not remove the capacity to launch them.

Two: Not possible without largely destroying Gaza, and without massive civilian casualties. Simply not on the cards.

Three: A possibility, but it will probably be temporary, given Two, and there are huge complications – not least the increase in support for Hamas generated by these attacks.

I have heard three military objectives so far. One, to stop rocket attacks. Two, to destroy Hamas. Three, to remove it from government (two and three are possibly interrelated).

Okay benj. Those are the objectives you’ve heard attributed to Israel, but what are Israel’s objectives?

I am waiting for your attribution, Mesquito, to see if its any more realistic than the rest.

One has to remember too that the US ultimately pulls the strings here, and gives license (or at least carries very heavy weight that Israel can indefinitely ignore). That is why Israel has limited license.

I am waiting for your attribution, Mesquito, to see if its any more realistic than the rest.

I honestly don’t know, Benj, but I know the game. Attribute to the actor impossible objectives and doom them to failure. But since you concede Israel’s moral and legal right to do something about Gaza, their objectives are surely their business.

One has to remember too that the US ultimately pulls the strings here, and gives license (or at least carries very heavy weight that Israel can indefinitely ignore).

Har. Just hold on benj. 21 more days until Regime Change.

Excellent article.

“As though PhD’s are some sort of protection from being a totalitarian. PhD holders are probably overly represented in the support/cover/excuse making of most hideous regimes in history.”

Quite.Look at the number of PHD’s willing to be apologists for Israels crimes

PhD’s from where? I’m sure they’re all 100% kosher! (not!!)

Hypocrite, from Hamas and no doubt your perspective Israel’s crimes are to exist and try (finally) to defend its population against unceasing rocket barrages. Do the decent thing and support a two state solution.

Barad

“Hypocrite, from Hamas and no doubt your perspective Israel’s crimes are to exist ”

No Israel has a right to exist on pre-67 borders
The Palestinians have a right to exist as human beings and not be bombed blockaded and starved

“Do the decent thing and support a two state solution.”

I do based on pre-1967 borders and full recognition of Israel. Pity the Israelis dont- they want capitualtion not peace

Is not going to happen

Maybe they get their PhDs from the same Oxford University as Iranian politicians…

Hypocrite,

In the absence of rockets into Israel, Gaza would not be bombed, blockaded or starved.

Hamas had an opportunity to run Gaza well as a precursor to a larger Palestinian state and they blew it massively. The problem with styling yourself as the Islamic Resistance is that you need someone to resist, hence the constant attacks and provocation of Israel, otherwise the population under your control starts to ask why their lives are so tough and just blaming Israel eventually starts to look suspect.

You know, I was thinking about what David T mentioned the other day, about the need for Hamas to “fail honestly”.
You have to take into account that Hamas is a fundamentalist party.
So I guess that the best that can be expected is a complete defeat by force of the Gazan terrorists that will be in some way similar to the fall of Shabetai Zvi, the false Messiah. That was absorbed by Judaism through the channel of religious reinterpretation (forbidding the appearance of new profets or Messiahs) but still some remnants of Shabetaians remained for some centuries.
I think that is the best scenario. Hamas as False Messiah for the Muslims. Total defeat as proof of falseness.

And it will fail.

The trouble is, the existence of Israel is the constant alibi.

Hamas knows that. This is why, instead of governing, it provokes conflict. This will always be its strategy.

I wonder how many PhDs this guy has:

http://blog.newkey-burden.com/2008/12/never-let-it-be-said-islamists-are-dumb.html

Happy new year to all at Harry’s Place. :-)

I suspect that “Juice” was a cunning play on words, rather than an error.

Brave kid:

“His 13-year-old son, Yousef, was with him. When asked his view of the situation, Yousef took an unusual stand for someone in Gaza, where Israel is being cursed by most everyone. “I blame Hamas. It doesn’t want to recognize Israel. If they did so there could be peace,” he said. “Egypt made a peace treaty with Israel, and nothing is happening to them.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/01/world/middleeast/01mideast.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&hp

If you look closely the sign actually reads “Death to all Zionist Juice”. So that’s cleared up.

Barad

“In the absence of rockets into Israel, Gaza would not be bombed, blockaded or starved.”

Collective punishment is a war crime. Its like saying we should have bombed and blockaded and starved the Catholics of Northern Ireland during the IRA campaign

Untrue Israel controlled and controls the Gaza’s airspace, territorial waters, and offshore maritime access, as well as its side of the Gaza-Israeli border- so it is able to stop anything coming in and out
food, money, medical supplies etc

And you forget 80% of Gazans are people expelled from Israel proper or their descenants.

Instead of calling for the blockade to be lifted you are calling for more suffering to the Palestinians
You people have no humanity

“Hamas had an opportunity to run Gaza well as a precursor to a larger Palestinian state and they blew it massively.”

they clearly didnt for the reasons stated about -Israel controlled its borders air space etc. They can no more run themselves well than prisoners can

The main cause of poverty in Gaza is that Hamas, which took power by military coup, has used it as a base for conducting a war against its neighbour.

As a result:

- there is no work to speak of in the Gaza strip, and people survive on UN handouts, or the money that filters down from the Iran subsidy to Hamas

- there is no opportunity for people in Gaza to work in Egypt or Israel. Neither country wants to give armed terrorists free passage into their territory. Can you blame them.

There is a very simple solution here.

Hamas needs to abandon the armed struggle. As a strategy, it has failed in every way possible: except to the extent that it hopes to make political capital from the misery of Palestinians.

Now, HPHypocrite. What constructive steps do you think you can take, from within the UK, to encourage Hamas to abandon its failed policy?

The political leadership of Hamas is “probably the most highly qualified in the world. Boasting more than 500 PhDs in its ranks, the majority are middle-class professionals – doctors, dentists, scientists and engineers”.

William Sieghart, The Guardian, 2008

“I know doctors, dentists and architects – important people, Reeves.”

Graham Lister, Vic Reeves Big Night Out, 1990.

Happy New Year, HPers.

Gaza is a secular society where people listen to pop music, watch TV and many women walk the streets unveiled

One of the first things Hamas did when they took over was put a woman to death for the crime of being seen kissing her boyfriend on a beach.

“Hamas needs to abandon the armed struggle.”

But Israel doesnt need to abandon its . LOL
Sounds like capitulation, sorry peace

” As a strategy, it has failed in every way possible: except to the extent that it hopes to make political capital from the misery of Palestinians.”

The idea that Hamas (who incidentally are Palestinians – they werent flown in from another land to rule over them) arent interested in their peoples welfare but a rabid zionist Muslim hater like you is is truly comical

Dave its Jan 1 not April 1

“Now, HPHypocrite. What constructive steps do you think you can take, from within the UK, to encourage Hamas to abandon its failed policy”

Youre nuts. What influence do I have over Hamas ?.
More insane collective blame.

As much as you are taking to encourage Israel to stop its illegal occupation?

I mean Ive been so impressed by the number of your posts calling on Israel to withdraw to its pre-1967 border vs so few of your posts attacking Muslims for talking about “green birds”

Seeing as he spelt juice correctly I suspect it was a play on words. You can’t get arrested for saying “death to juice” after all.

I saw a t-shirt yesterday on a young bearded fellow on the train. It said “Mind the occupation”.

All these amusing phrases I chuckled. I thought my own up, what about a t-shirt that said “Israel licks Hummus”. I wonder what would happen if I plastered that on a placard and trundled over to the ‘peace’ or ‘anti-war’ activists outside the Israeli embassy right now?

Josh Scholar

“One of the first things Hamas did when they took over was put a woman to death for the crime of being seen kissing her boyfriend on a beach.”

The shocking thing about this crime is no one knows about it but you.
And the little men who run around in your head.

Israel should withdraw to its pre-1967 borders.

Whether it does so Gaza-style – sealing off its borders, and periodically bombing Hamas’ stockpiles of weapons and infantry – is entirely a matter for Hamas and the other jihadist terror groups.

Youre nuts. What influence do I have over Hamas ?.
More insane collective blame.

I don’t know. Why would somebody go on a demonstration outside the Israeli embassy? Or write a letter to a newspaper?

I do have the email address of Hamas – who keep sending a friend of mine bulletins – if you would like. However, I suspect that they’re not up to answering emails at the moment.

english@alqassam.ps

What do you mean by “collective blame”?

HPhypocrite, me and everyone else who read the paper.

Josh Scholar

“HPhypocrite, me and everyone else who read the paper”

Which paper was that? The Baruch Goldstein Express?

Care to provide a link

News from Iran:

“Iran shuts down leading reformist newspaper
58 minutes ago

TEHRAN (AFP) — The Iranian press watchdog shut down leading reformist newspaper Kargozaran on Wednesday over publication of a piece criticising Palestinian militants, the official IRNA news agency reported.

“Kargozaran has been banned over a media offence and the case has been referred to the court,” Mohammad Parvizi, who is in charge of domestic media at the culture ministry, told IRNA.

He said the ban was ordered over “a piece yesterday which justifies the Zionist regime’s crimes against humanity in Gaza and portrays the Palestinian resistance as terrorists who cause the deaths of children and civilians by taking up position in kindergartens and hospitals.”

Kargozaran’s director Morteza Sajadian confirmed the closure and said the piece in question was a statement by a radical pro-reform student group, the Office to Consolidate Unity.

“The statement was not supposed to be carried, it was mistakenly printed,” he told AFP, hoping the ban would be only temporary.

Kargozaran’s licence holder is the Executives of Construction, a political party close to former president Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani.

The paper, which started publication three years ago, has been a frequent target of attack from rival hardline media over its content, which has been perceived as hostile to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Under Ahmadinejad, Iranian newspapers, websites and news agencies of all political persuasions have been hit by a string of closures.

Iran is a staunch supporter of the Islamist Hamas movement which controls Gaza and does not recognise its archfoe Israel, which has been pounding the territory with a deadly air blitz for the past five days.”

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gzTzyMkBVuWOrOkjlgTIze3Qn8tA

Here is a story about Hamas punishing women for adultery:

“Abhorrent as such images might seem, the story behind them is even more wrenching. Aired on a TV channel run by the Islamic militants of Hamas, the two-minute re-enactment was based on the life of Reem Riyashi, 22, a Palestinian mother of two who blew herself up in a suicide attack against Israeli soldiers at a Gaza border crossing in January 2004. Riyashi is hailed as a courageous resistance fighter among Palestinians throughout Gaza and the West Bank, but the truth about what drove her to such a terrible act is much more complex. Palestinians in Gaza and Israeli internal-security experts who studied the background of her case say Riyashi’s husband had discovered that she was having an affair with a senior Hamas commander. Among conservative Palestinians, as in other parts of the Islamic world, an adulterous woman is often punished with death. Riyashi was given a second option: she could become a martyr. In a video statement released hours before her death, Riyashi, garbed in a militaristic uniform and holding a semiautomatic rifle, sounds tough. “I have always wished to knock at the door of heaven carrying skulls belonging to the sons of Zion,” she says. But the pained expression on her chubby, homely face conveys considerably more ambivalence about the idea of annihilating herself to kill Israelis and restore her family’s “honor.”"

read the whole article:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1617542,00.html

Which paper was that? The Baruch Goldstein Express?

Care to provide a link

Google does find this similar article:
http://www.groupsrv.com/religion/about114290.html

Woman walking with fiance murdered
by Khaled Abu Toameh,

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1113186250438

Hamas has begun operating a “vice and virtue commando” in the Gaza
Strip to safeguard Islamic values, Palestinian security officials and
residents told The Jerusalem Post.

The new force, called the Anti-Corruption Unit, is believed to be
behind the gruesome murder over the weekend of Yusra al-Azzami, a
22-year-old university student from the northern Gaza Strip.

Her “crime” was that she was seen in public with her fiance.

Although “honor killings” are not a new phenomenon in Palestinian
society, the perpetrators were almost always relatives of the victims.
But this is the first time that one of the Palestinian groups has
openly acted against a woman suspected of “immoral behavior.”

Hamas’s “morality” patrolmen first spotted the young couple strolling
along the beach in Gaza City, together with Azzami’s younger sister.
After enjoying the spectacular sunset over the sea, they got into the
future husband’s car and started driving towards Azzami’s home.

According to eyewitness accounts, five masked gunmen who were in
another car gave chase, opening fire at Azzami, who was sitting in the
front seat next to her fiance. She died instantly.

The fiance and sister were later brutally beaten and moderately injured
by the attackers.

The incident took place at a busy intersection in Gaza City.

What happened immediately afterwards left many passersby traumatized.

The assailants dragged the young woman’s body out of the car, pouncing
upon it mercilessly with clubs and iron bars.

“It was the most horrific crime I’ve seen in my life,” said a
university student who witnessed the attack. “What they did to the body
while it was lying on the ground was barbaric. This does not represent
Islam.” The student, who asked not to be named, said he and several
other people at the scene were too afraid to interfere. “We waited
until the gunmen left the area before we called the police and an
ambulance,” he added.
The Palestinian Authority police, who have since arrested two suspects,
confirmed that the attack was carried out by Hamas vigilantes who have
been waging a campaign of intimidation against people exhibiting
un-Islamic behavior.

“They are behaving like the Taliban in Afghanistan,” a senior police
officer told the Post. “We won’t allow them to take the law into their
own hands, because we are not in Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia or Iran.”
Both Saudi Arabia and Iran have special “vice and “virtue” police who
roam through parks and public places to upbraid and sometimes beat
unrelated couples.

The police officer said the identities of the other three accomplices
were known and efforts were being made to apprehend them. “They all
belong to a Hamas unit that claims it wants to enforce Islamic values
in the Gaza Strip,” he said. “We hope Hamas will help us track down the
murderers and bring them to trial.”

However, Azzami’s family and political activists accused Hamas of
harboring the murderers and called on the Islamic movement to hand them
over to the police. A statement signed by various political groups,
including the ruling Fatah faction, condemned the murder and urged
Hamas to disown the culprits.

“We are demanding a public apology from Hamas for this heinous crime
against an innocent woman,” said a cousin of the victim. “We have also
appealed to the Palestinian leadership to impose the death penalty
against the murderers. We are living in a jungle and this has to end.”

The cousin noted that Azzami was planning to get married next month and
that her family had permitted her to see her fiance that day only
because she was accompanied by her sister.

Diab al-Lohe, a senior Fatah operative in the Gaza Strip, called on all
factions not to provide political backing for murderers and bandits. He
also urged the PA security forces to work toward restoring law and
order in the Gaza Strip, which, he said, has been hit by an
unprecedented wave of crime in recent months.

Hamas initially denied any link to the murder, but later admitted that
the assailants belonged to one of its groups. It also admitted that the
murderers were responsible for cracking down on men and women who defy
Islamic teachings by appearing in public together.

Another police officer involved in the investigation said the two
suspects who were detained shortly after the murder had confessed to
belonging to Hamas’s Anti-Corruption Unit.

He said the suspects and their three accomplices were all from the
Zeitoun neighborhood of Gaza City and that they had been instructed to
conduct surveillance of the beach to assure that unrelated men and
women were not mixing.

“The murderers thought that Azzami and her fiance were on a date,” the
officer explained. “They had no idea that they were engaged and were
planning to marry soon.”

Good work Josh Scolar!

Don’t expect HPhypocrite to acknoweldge his ignorance. Or is it bigotry?

LIVE UPDATE

I just heard a White House briefing 5 mins ago.

Ceasefire: Bush and Olmert agree that there is no point in a ceasefire unless its ‘permanent and enduring’. WH says that while Hamas fires rockets then there will be no ceasefire. Says that the Quartet call for a ceasefire is EXACTLY the same. (This means that papers who report Israel rejects ceasefire aren’t being truthful)

Humanitarian: Bush announce $10m of aid to be delivered ‘through all possible channels’ ( I get the impresssion that the border will remain open for trucks.

Iran & Syria: WH has no doubt that Iran and Syria are constantly supplying and re-arming Hamas. WH won’t say more. Saudi, Egypt & Jordan are trying to be realistic (obviously they blame the Syria & Iranian satellite Hamas)

Impression: WH full on-side with Israel and riding shotgun on any criticism or possible sanctions. Quartet need to make right noises but aren’t going to do anything. I don’t expect a UN Res. Notice how quiet UN has been – except UNWRA.

Hamas just blew the brains out of 8 men accused, but not tried of spying for Israel. This occured in a Gaza hospital where the men were moved after the jail they were being stored in was bombed. Such is the level of civilized behaviour we can expect from Hamas. I suggest that those who support Hamas look it as their best hope for killing Jews. After Hamas is dealt with, Iran will become their next best hope to carry out the next genocide against the Jews.

Go easy on HPhypocrite. He’s a young man seduced by a simplistic and emotive narrative, suffering his first experience with an imploding world-view. Don’t you remember the heartbreak when your first love died, and how special they seemed at the time? While remaining firm in the face of his ludicrously ignorant provocations, we must always try to remember the gentle, child-like soul that lurks beneath them (a bit like Israel must with wayward Palestinians, in fact).

Is he related to the equally ghastly and stupid Mary Ann Sieghart?

Collective punishment is a war crime.

You know exactly nothing about war, matey. All you do is spout pompous nonsense. When your enemy shoots at you, you shoot back.

And you forget 80% of Gazans are people expelled from Israel proper or their descenants.

LOL. Utterly bonkers.

You people have no humanity

Unlike you and Hamas, I suppose. Killing Jews is no big deal, eh?

Dear Abby,
How true and funny until the very end. Is ‘wayward Palestinians’ a coded term for ‘child-killing Arabs’?

This means that papers who report Israel rejects ceasefire aren’t being truthful

Name any major British media outlet that’s truthful about Israel. Many of the biggest players drip with hatred for Israel 24/7.

Israel should withdraw to its pre-1967 borders

Oh, it should, should it? Because you have decreed so?

I suppose you are another one of those poor souls who don’t know that there were no ‘borders’ pre-1967.

No Israel has a right to exist on pre-67 borders

Like the hypocrite – by name and by nature.

“He goes on to gush that the political leadership of Hamas is “probably the most highly qualified in the world. Boasting more than 500 PhDs in its ranks, the majority are middle-class professionals – doctors, dentists, scientists and engineers”. – William Sieghart pp Gordon.

I believe the perpetrators of the most recent Balkan massacres were similarly “highly educated”, if not professors and such like. It is typical of a certain kind of self-deceiving thinking that the preferment of a ‘genuine’ PhD is seen as proof enough for their to be automatically right about everything. If only it were so. The list of people in the last century with doctorates and fellowships to their names who nevertheless are known to have supported the foulest or silliest actions and movements is a long one.

shriber

“Don’t expect HPhypocrite to acknoweldge his ignorance. Or is it bigotry?”

Its so hard to when wading through the boards on HP where Islam is an evil cult and Muslims and Arabs are subhuman barbarians to be hunted down and killed.

where Islam is an evil cult and Muslims and Arabs are subhuman barbarians to be hunted down and killed.

Completely the figment of your imagination. Do seek treatment.

Josh Scholar

“Woman walking with fiance murdered
by Khaled Abu Toameh,
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1113186250438”

Ah the Jerusalem Post. Theres an unbiased source for news of Palestine. Was the story not featured on the BNP website?

“Ah the Jerusalem Post”

Maybe the name Khaled is Jewish and I didn’t know it.

Keep digging HPH!

Hamas just blew the brains out of 8 men accused, but not tried of spying for Israel. This occured in a Gaza hospital where the men were moved after the jail they were being stored in was bombed.

Anyone got a source for that?

Theres an unbiased source for news of Palestine.

Post links to unbiased sources for news of Palestine!

I WANT TO BELIEVE

i don’t know why any of you bother to even respond to HPHypocrite or any of his other guises. It’s so futile. More than anything, he reminds me of the guy in Monty Python’s argument stretch, particularly the part where John Cleese defines the difference between argument and “contradiction” — i.e. “the automatic gainsaying of any statement the other person makes.”
HP’s entire game is similar: You point this out, he finds a (veryflawed) parallel on the Israeli side. It’s so frickin’ boring and dumb.

And what’s the point of debating/arguing with that?

Sieghart’s piece is just risible.

But so one-eyed as to be quite entertaining: what a dhimi wannabe

Try Mark Steel in the Independent http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/mark-steel/article1218135.ece;jsessionid=A49D441A4A94E4136C10AC17F4654207?postingType=posting&mode=thanks&postingId=1218432

I literally mean he shoud be on trial!

This comment is not only disturbing but a downright lie

The fact that Israel consists of a few hundred thousand European Jews, (none of whom have any genetic links to Jews who once inhabited Palestine under the Romans),

Sorry, but I have genetic links to Jesus, which is more than Christians can say. There really are some idiots around.

Its so hard to when wading through the boards on HP where Islam is an evil cult…

HPhypocrite, it’s clear that you don’t know much about Islam. Join this forum and get to know some ex-muslims
http://www.councilofexmuslims.com/

Also read from all the stories linked to on this page http://isaacschrodinger.typepad.com/isaacschrodinger/2005/06/contents.html

The way to learn about the problems in a closed and hostile cult is to get to know people who quit it.

Maven: I shudder to think it, but we’re on the same side of this Gaza issue. That being said, the comment you claim Mark Steele made in his column is not his, but rather, just a comment by a reader, much like yours and mine here right now.

As a fluent Yiddish speaker, i must point out that your name doesn’t suit you at all, as you seem to revel in knowledge that you don’t have. Unfortunately, that’s what happens when you’re a dittohead, love Rush/Sean Hannity and hate NPR.

Happy New Year everybody

Is he related to the equally ghastly and stupid Mary Ann Sieghart?

That wouldn’t surprise me.

“Post links to unbiased sources for news of Palestine! I WANT TO BELIEVE”

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/ai_n13615405

Here is a link to an article by the well known Revisionist Zionist Donald Macintyre, writing in the Independent about the murder of Yusra Azzami. In a certain sense I’d agree that the Independent isnt a source for unbiased information on ‘Palestine’, but probably not in the sense that you meant.

Notice that Hamas was only embarrassed because the girls they summarily executed in the streets (after beating) turned out to be married to the men they were with.

If they had really been women with boyfriends they would have claimed to be completely justified in torturing and executing them.

The list of people in the last century with doctorates and fellowships to their names who nevertheless are known to have supported the foulest or silliest actions and movements is a long one.

Goebbels was a PhD: clever and evil.
Chomsky is a prof.: stupid and evil.

As a fluent Yiddish speaker, i must point out that your name doesn’t suit you at all, as you seem to revel in knowledge that you don’t have

Thanks for the laugh, Mr ‘Istanbul is Turkey’s capital’. You should be so lucky as to have 1% of Maven’s knowledge, and more importantly, understanding.

“Sorry, but I have genetic links to Jesus, which is more than Christians can say. There really are some idiots around.”

Maven, you don’t understand genetics/ancestry. Does Jesus or, say, Mary show up more times in your family tree than in a non-Jew’s? Possibly. However, if they have any living descendants, almost everyone in Europe/North Africa/SW Asia will have them in their family tree. You’ve got about 10^28 people in your family tree at the year 0, which is a billion trillion times as many people who were actually alive at that time. Not everyone who was alive then contributed to you, but pretty much everyone in a part of the world not isolated from yours with living descendants did.

Stop making this claim. It’s weird and just plain wrong.

Careless, your maths are absurd. The fact that there is overlap does not prove that everyone overlaps with everyone else. There are distinct populations that barely interact/interbreed, and that was more and more the case the further back you go in antiquity (obviously I am talking 2000 years here, not 2 million when humans appeared on the scene, probably in East Africa). Try drawing some Venn diagrams.

In any case, this is only marginally relevant to the main claim antisemites make, viz. that European Jews are ‘really Khazars’. That is genetic (and historical) nonsense. European Jews are genetically similar to Yemenite Jews, and not at all similar to Turkic peoples.

How they are related:

brother of: Mary Anne Sieghart
husband of: Molly Dineen
friend of: Charles Kennedy

Before one draws any conclusions from the number of PhDs an organization boasts, it would be well to examine the attendees of the Wannsee Conference.

Thanks. So, they are congenitally stupid, then.

This guy made a nice little earner, his article was serialised in all the muslim newspapers, from the Persian Gulf to the Straits of Mlacca and beyond!