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Kind of mirrors how zionists try and silence critics of Israel in the west

Heres some more sense, this time in the Arab press.

http://aawsat.com/english/news.asp?section=2&id=15189

Kind of mirrors how zionists try and silence critics of Israel in the west

Haaretz has published pieces denouncing the Israeli operation and, strangely enough, has not been shut down.

Now: David T? Christ? Rejection? What was that all about?

HPhypocrite

“Kind of mirrors how zionists try and silence critics of Israel in the west.”

Does it? They are not very successful are they, hypocrite?

Your chosen name suits you to a tee.

Kind of mirrors how zionists try and silence critics of Israel in the west

“Gene

Haaretz has published pieces denouncing the Israeli operation and, strangely enough, has not been shut down.”

I wasnt aware that Israel which is where Haartez is was in the west.
Perhaps it should be. Perhaps the west was given to the Israelis in the Bible too.

Good news though:

Saudi authorities arrest hate preacher

Name one paper or media outlet shut down for criticizing Israel!

HPhypocrite you are still here, still preaching anti-Israel hate and no one has tried to shut you down.

Hello, hypocrite. How on earth can you mistake intelligent people’s ignoring of ill-founded, ignorant and malicious criticism of Israel for it being “silenced?” Thankfully, we cannot yet be forced to believe what is inherently unsound however often it is regurgitated.

And heaven forbid that Iran should ever be able to understand the the truth let alone print it. Notice how Mr Director tried to weasel his way out of the consequences of what he had done rather than have the courage of his convictions. I wonder what he would have said in the extremely unlikely event that the piece had met with widespread acclaim?

Did anyone hear earlier on the BBC that Hamas has threatened that if Israel invades then Palestinian children will be picking up Israeli soldiers’ body parts? That doesn’t surprise me any more, although I wish that it could. Since when has Hamas ever been concerned for the safety of its own children?

HPhypocrite
31 December 2008, 4:41 pm

“Kind of mirrors how zionists try and silence critics of Israel in the west”

For gods sake you really are not helping your ’cause’.

What a fucking moron.

MattG

The Iranian Students movement is the last refuge of relatively free thinking left under the dictatorship of the mullahs in the facists Islamic Republic.

Conversely there are many holdout of facist thinking in the democracies of the West. The reactionary Leftist British media nd their cohorts of mindless readers is one – exemplified on this blog by our own resident Stalinist HPhypocrite.

The comments of HPhypocrite snide and pointless as they are have a long history. There are several studies of the propaganda efforts of the Nazis in creating a link between Jews, Criminality, Zionism and Global Conspiracy. To understand HPhypocrite its worth reading. “The Crime of My Existance ” on google books provides an insight into the pathology of todays HPhypocrites.

It came from a student group:

“Kargozaran’s director Morteza Sajadian confirmed the closure and said the piece in question was a statement by a radical pro-reform student group, the Office to Consolidate Unity.”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gzTzyMkBVuWOrOkjlgTIze3Qn8tA

Here is a more accurate piece on how Iranians in general and its free thinking students feel about Hamas its self defined “existential” conflict with Israel.

http://azarmehr.blogspot.com/2008/12/this-is-not-our-war.html

oh sorry HP you’ve already mentioned that ignore me..

shriber
“Name one paper or media outlet shut down for criticizing Israel!”

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/nov2006/judt-n01.shtml

Diplomatic row between Iran and Egypt escalates:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-12/31/content_10587347.htm

Personally, the Polish consulate is my favorite paper or media outlet.

(This guy really is very stupid isn’t he?)

Those wacky Zionists! Pretending they’re not all powerful and in total control by electing not to shut down press critical of Israel in the West. Boy, you have to watch out for them. Tricky bastards, the lot of them. Now wonder Hitler turned so many of them into candles.

HPhypocrite: Does Hamas have a right to fire rockets into Israel?

Perhaps Channel 4 could offer Kargozaran some airtime, in solidarity?

Or even just comment on the invasion of the British embassy in Tehran only a few days after the Iranian president was offered unprecedented access to British TV viewers?

The “hardline Iranian Students” referred in the article posted by Mordechai are not students but the Islamic Republic’s strom troopers. They are usually deployed in the Universities to control the genral student population. They are know for their brutality and acts of violence. They are labelled “chomaqzan” or club weilders – which is what they usually do … and they are deployed either as a as a rent-a-mob by the authorities and used to express “the peoples rage” to storm foreign embassies … recently the British and Egyptian embassies have been targeted by these paid thugs and in the past these goons were used to attack the Dutch and Danish embassies over the Mohamad Cartoons. Or at such times when the regimes leaders want to make an on campus apperance … recently Larijani and Ahmadinejads University speeches were precedded and followed by running battlkes between these thugs and real Iranian students who had turned out enmass to shout down Ahmadinejad and call him a dictator to his face.

For their thuggery they are awarded with fake diplomas and paid good stipends. They are universally hated in Iran as part of teh facist apparatus of teh Islamic Republic.

HPhypocrite: World Socialist Press, is that your source?

For crying out loud.

Tony Judt publishes in some of the most prestigious media outlets in the US “The New York review of Books, NY Times Book Review (which recently published a rave review of his book of essays including an attack on Israel, etc.

You really don’t know what you are saying, do you? Your bigoted hopes are driving your comments.

Stop the jeanocide now! You not the choice peeples. Homous is the peeples choice! We all is Houmus now!!

Thank God for that. I love me some hummus to dip cheese straws into.

is tha how you spell it? cha

(Give Palestinians all your monies, or be damned for eternity) To the memories of Arfart!

If jews will imherit the earth, how do become one? Im interested in joing up. I’ll stop acting daft as long as i can be on the inside of the masterplan to take over the world. I can type, and make good filter coffee.

It’s most usually spelt Hummus in English language :P Israelis are licking hummus as we speak.

Objectively HPhypocrite is still unable to cite a SINGLE example
of anti-Israel criticism causing a newspaper to be shut down.

Of course HPhypocrite thinks that anyone who is pro-Jewish
is evil and unworthy of life. So, I suppose, when blatantly
anti-Semitic views are exposed and possibly forbidden wide
exposure, that is the SAME THING to him.

He gives new meaning to the words ‘crap for brains’.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1051597.html

Objectively HPhypocrite is still unable to cite a SINGLE example of anti-Israel criticism causing a newspaper to be shut down.

Yes, but his original statement was:

Kind of mirrors how zionists try and silence critics of Israel in the west

And this is absolutely true.

Norman Finkelstein was denied tenure at DePaul University for the sole and only reason of having written anti-Zionist material.

Kind of mirrors how zionists try and silence critics of Israel in the west

Actually, what it really does mirror is the concerted campaign to boycott all contacts with Israelis and anyone sympathetic to them, including of course the continuing campaign by the SWP and fellow Trots activists of the UCU.

I wasnt aware that Israel which is where Haartez is was in the west.

What, you mean Israel is an indigenous part of the Middle East? Moron.

so let’s see. one self-hating jew whose sole claim to fame is spouting anti-jewish (not just anti-israeli, his main claim to fame is going after the so-called “holocaust industry”) propaganda gets denied tenure, and you’re comparing that to shutting down a newspaper. you really do have shit-for-brains don’t u.

“Norman Finkelstein was denied tenure at DePaul University for the sole and only reason of having written anti-Zionist material.”

Liar. There was no reason given as Universities are under no obligation to reveal the whys of their decisions to the public.

In Norman’s case it is known that his scholarship was substandard and that he threatened his colleagues.

Besides he had been denied tenure elsewhere for a variety of reasons.

Only a Jew hater like HB would take Norman’s word on these issues.

The best and most impartial article on this character is by Cathy Young of the online magazine REASON.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/121045.html

I am still waiting for an answer:

This is what our Argentean pogromchik “Hasbara Buster” keeps not mentioning. He doesn’t want to talk about the Jew hatred in his own country, a hatred in which he participates:

From the BBC:

“Argentina marks 1994 bomb attack” (Note: it’s 15 years and counting)

“Argentines have been marking the anniversary of the 1994 bombing of a Jewish centre in Buenos Aires that left 85 people dead and about 300 injured.
Thousands of mourners gathered to honour the dead and called once again for investigations to be stepped up and those responsible brought to justice.

Nobody has ever been convicted, but the current government has said it is determined to secure justice.

A prosecutor last year blamed Hezbollah for the blast, which the group denied.

A siren sounded at the precise time the bomb exploded at 0953 (1253 GMT).

People lit candles, laid roses and held aloft photographs of the victims as the names of the 85 dead were read out.

The blast on 18 July 1994 reduced the seven-storey Jewish-Argentine Mutual Association (AMIA) community centre in Buenos Aires to rubble.

The scale of death and destruction left Argentina’s 200,000-strong Jewish community, Latin America’s largest, in shock.

“We were looking for justice but we found impunity,” read a large banner at Tuesday’s ceremony.

Luis Czyczewsky, whose daughter died in the blast, called for more to be done – not only for the crime to be solved but for Argentina to take a stronger stance against terrorism.

“Today we are left with a sense of impotence, with our anger,” he told the crowd.

“Once again, impunity is winning the battle.”

Unsolved

Over the years, the case has been marked by rumours of cover-ups and accusations of incompetence but little in the way of hard evidence.

Minor figures, including a policeman who sold the van used in the attack have been named, but no-one has been convicted.

Many accused previous governments of doing too little to find the perpetrators. “

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5190892.stm

The current administration of President Nestor Kirchner has expressed a firm desire to produce results but so far there has been little obvious progress, says the BBC’s South America correspondent Daniel Schweimler.

Mr Kirchner’s cabinet chief, Alberto Fernandez, said that the courts would do all they could to find the attackers.

Members of the US-based World Jewish Congress (WJC) were to meet the president after the commemorations to add their voices to calls for the authorities to do more.

Local Jewish groups have long said the bombing bore the hallmarks of Iranian-backed Islamic militants.

Iran has repeatedly and vehemently denied any involvement in the attack.

Last November, an Argentine prosecutor said a member of the Islamic militant group, Hezbollah, was behind the attack and had been identified in a joint effort by Argentine intelligence and the FBI.

But Hezbollah said that the man, Ibrahim Hussein Berro, had died in southern Lebanon while fighting Israel.

The 1992 bombing of the Israeli embassy in Buenos Aires, which killed 29 people, also remains unsolved.”

Don’t talk to me about the Israel-Palestinian conflict, fuck head, talk about Argentinean attacks on Jews.

“Norman Finkelstein was denied tenure at DePaul University for the sole and only reason of having written anti-Zionist material.”

So, that was a University matter.

Has anyone prevented Finkelstein from writing and publishing his hate filled nonsense?

Has his web site been shut down.

You are really reaching, h buster.

Norman Finkelstein was denied tenure at DePaul University for the sole and only reason of having written anti-Zionist material.

Finkelstein was denied tenure for being a poor scholar, weirdly behaved on campus and rubbish at the administrative part of an academic’s job, something someone on tenure track usually pays great attention to. You will find all of this out in the letter from DePaul’s president. The letter is reproduced on Finkelstein’s own website, so you won’t have to look very hard for it.

As btHB says this is not the first time Finkelstein has been denied tenure from a university and the reasons for past denials of tenure have been varied. While, as shriber says, this is a matter for the universities concerned as private institutions, it is worthy of note that Finkelstein has not gained employment at another university since leaving DePaul. A man who has not gained tenure twenty years after being awarded his PhD and is less than five years short of his sixtieth birthday does not look terribly promising as an academic.

If, as I suggest, you visit Finkelstein’s website, you will see that a long list of forthcoming engagements. And you’re saying that Zionists are trying to silence him? Surely you can do better than that. Trouble is, you can’t name a single newspaper or even a single person who has been silenced.

Happy New Year to all.

Thank God for that. I love me some hummus to dip cheese straws into.

You fucking barbarian.

Cheese Straws, for fuck’s sake….

And using a preposition to end a sentence with.

Cheese straws???? Yuck.

Ruining perfectly good hummus with this cheese-style-foodstuff monstrosity??? Mega-yuck.

Only white-flour pitta deserves to be dipped in hummus. With olives and hamutzim on the side, of course.

shriber
“Name one paper or media outlet shut down for criticizing Israel!”

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2006/nov2006/judt-n01.shtml

You and HB are such mega-losers. You don’t know what ‘paper’ and ‘media outlet’ mean, do you? No wonder you frequent such pathetic ’socialist’ websites.

Gaza & Shirin Ebadi

Those uninitiated with the byzantine nature of Middle East politics are missing the bigger picture.

What we are seeing are the first steps of a new dynamic in the MidEast. As the US withdraws from Iraq the two parties are jockeying to fill in the vaccum. On the one side we have the Islamists and on the other the a secular front. This has thrown up strange alliances with Israel/Fatah/Egypt/Jordan/Saudi/Turkey vs Iran/Syria their proxies Hamas/Hezbollah.

As Bush & Olmert are both leaving office this window is bein g used to neutralise in part Hamas. In the long run i’ll doubt its effectiveness – Islamism has to be confronted head on by muslims acting in their own self interest.

In Iran the crackdown has been more intense than reported in the Western media. Closing down of papers with the slightest dissident views isnt the only step the clerical facists have taken. Largely unreported but far more significant has been the raiding of the offices of activists like Shirin Ebadi and the personal attacks on her.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iVp6OcsznLJpeFv8SenE_EhxIpmgD95D8T9O2

Earlier this month the Iranian authorities closed the Tehran office of the Human Rights Defenders Centre headed by Ms Ebadi, saying it had operated for eight years without permission. Ms Ebadi, a 61-year-old lawyer and human rights activist, became Iran’s first Nobel Peace Prize winner in 2003.

Today her home was attacked by the same government hired mobs that have intimidated students and attcked various European legations.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/01/iran.ebadi.nobel.office/

I see that the usual suspects – HPhypocrite and the rest of the “Anti-Zionist” (anti-semetic) front as usual do not give a fig about the supression of free thought and speech in Iran by the facist Islamic clerics.

The reactionary Left remain true to their thuggish racist roots.

Its worth noting how the BBC carefully omits that the Islamic authorities have accused Ebadi of “the crime” of supporting Israel when seizing all her political case files. Ebadi uses these files in her often vain attempt to represent political prisoners in the Islamic courts.

Iranian raid on Ebadi condemned
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7806195.stm

It is so typical of the BBC to whitewash the Islamic Republic. Here for instance is a typical BBC piece from less than a year ago by BBCs waste of space correspondant Pam O’Toole on Ebadi & Ahmadinejad. [Although in O'Tooles defence she isnt any worse than Jim Muir & Frances Harrison].

Iran orders laureate’s protection
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7349619.stm

Finkelstein was denied tenure for being a poor scholar, weirdly behaved on campus and rubbish at the administrative part of an academic’s job, something someone on tenure track usually pays great attention to.

DePaul gave a number of contradictory reasons for the denial. At one point, Charles Suchar, the dean of DePaul’s College of Arts and Sciences, even stated that:

“My own estimation of the tone and substance of his scholarship is that a considerable amount of it is inconsistent with DePaul’s Vincentian values, most particularly our institutional commitment to respect the dignity of the individual and to respect the rights of others to hold and express different intellectual positions—what I take to be one significant meaning of what we term Vincentian “personalism” as well as our commitment to diversity.”

In other words, the reason he gave for the denial is that Finkelstein was not nice to Dershowitz! When, in fact, thousands of scholars in the social sciences –and even in the hard sciences– have been nasty toward their colleagues.

Finkelstein’s crime was being an anti-Zionist, and that’s the reason he was not granted tenure.

Vincentian values! My foot.

Finkelstein’s crime was being an anti-Zionist, and that’s the reason he was not granted tenure.

Don’t be silly. There are plenty of anti-Zionists on the staff of American universities, it’s not at all a controversial viewpoint — quite the opposite, in fact.

Finkelstein’s crime was being an anti-Zionist

Never heard such self-justifying, victim-card playing, special pleading, mendacious nonsense in my life.
Well, OK, I have, and usually from the same source and his ilk.

It’s unfortunate because I consider the topic of the post– the failure of people to denounce the outrageous behavior of people within their own political ranks, the failure to (borrowing Orwell) face unpleasant facts about their own side– as extremely important. ~ Gene

Will the rest of the HP editors now denounce Gene because of his outrageous support for those who overthrew democracy in the 2002 Venezuela?

Nope. Thought not.

Pot. Kettle. Black.