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I will give you this, it does not matter who is the author, It would not be HP if there weren’t a daily character assassination based on a typo, brain fart, mistranslation or contextually devoid quote.

Really I don’t know why you whine so much about UK libel laws, if they were that draconian you would be knee deep in libel suits.

PS a leader of the so called “good” left you always uphold is telling Israel to stop killing and hiding behind the US

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aTpBA2kg0nk8&refer=latin_america

The ENTIRE regional left is against the war of aggression, although the exception is the Kirchners but you have to chalk it up to national politics.

I know certain people can’t live without their daily dose of victimhood, but — was it necessary to blow out of all proportion a simple slip of the tongue?

You’re right, H-B. What about all the good things to come out of slavery? How come you guys never reiterate those things?

Really I don’t know why you whine so much about UK libel laws, if they were that draconian you would be knee deep in libel suits.

When it isn’t painful, I never cease to be surprised and amused by how deeply stupid so many of our trolls are.

Sounds exactly like an isolated cock up on one show and nothing more. So what’s the figure being reported on German radio and tv bulletins or the german papers then?

This is a bit silly, isn’t it?

Karl,

Perhaps I’m missing something, but is it not both more charitable and more parsimonious to conclude that this inaccuracy – especially given its sheer scale – was simply down to Zuckermann having misspoken? Currently, you are positing complicity not only on the parts of the interviewee, the interviewer and the radio station in general, but also, in a more general sense, on the parts of Germans and Austrians as a whole. This is less than sober. It looks like a miniature conspiracy theory, in fact.

In this case it’s very difficult to prove Zuckermann lied, i.e. make a false statement deliberately presented as being true. It’s a possibility, but there’s also a possibility that he misspoke rather than lied.

Yet, Karl Pfeifer talks about Zuckermann’s “big lie”, without qualification, then goes for a bit of mind reading to boot, then goes on to make assumptions about millions and Germans and Austrians. Talk about being over the top.

Also, note the nationalist tone: Moshe Zuckermann is “Israel hating” because he is critical of government policy, especially foreign and military policy. I guess I am a “Britain hating” Brit if I criticise UK government policies.

I’m not familiar with the man, but if he’s deliberately spreading the lie that Israel is committing genocide and killing half a million people, then yes he qualifies as “Israel hating”, right Benji. I’d look up what is known about him, but I’ve had my fill of antisemitism, and so take posts about it as light entertainment rather than a reason to start researching.

if he’s deliberately spreading the lie that Israel is committing genocide and killing half a million people, then yes he qualifies as “Israel hating”

Yes, but I doubt that was he is deliberately, so I don’t think he qualifies as a hater or an antisemite. Stern critic he may be, but stern critics are not necessarily haters either.

While HP is involved in clearing up misrepresentations you might inc lude this devastating de-construction of Israeli propaganda of who was resp[onsible for the breakdown on the Gaza cease fire
http://www.hagada.org.il/eng/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=248

“You might include this devastating de-construction of Israeli propaganda…”

Don’t try that “truth” stuff or indeed use “facts” on this site. This site is purely for Israeli govt. PR and propaganda – regardless of what reality may shout back at you.

As for the guy’s slip of the tongue: GUILTY. Anyone who questions this assertion is an Israeli hater too. Full stop.

On the face of it – absent more information – it sounds like a simple mistake; far more egregious is the reporting on the state funded BBC, which is regularly and consistently anti Israeli and pro Arab, even pro Hamas and Hezbollah and has managed to pull this ‘proportionality’ bilge from out of its arse.

John Palmer,

Israel did not violate the ceasefire on 5th November 2008 but foiled an attempt by Hamas to kidnap another of their soldiers. The IDF incursion into Gaza destroyed a tunnel in the middle of the strip (so not a tunnel into Egypt). It’s all in the link below.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=1034307

Concise piece in the Wall Street Journal on ‘proportionality’ – here.

Was it a slip of the tongue or a Freudian (wishful) slip?

seriously, is there no middle ground in the current discussion over the situation in Gaza? Does labeling people one disagrees with a “Israel-hater” (all the more absurd if that person actually lives in Israel) or a “Palestinian-hater” actually help?

Here it is! The definitive guide to “how to stop the rockets” from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Scroll down to the graph entitled “Monthly Distribution of Rocket Hits”. Now, can we remember what was happening between June and November?

Case closed. That puts a lie to the idea that the Israeli attack has anything to do with stopping rocket attacks. It is very clear how to stop them, and the Israeli Government know exactly how to do it – ceasefire!

If you think about it, it’s actually pretty difficult to “mistakenly” turn 400 into 400,000. I don’t know if he meant it or not, but i think it shouldn’t be tossed aside all the cavalierly. And the interviewer had a responsibility to correct him, since she surely knew the correct number. As a journalist myself, it’s inconceivable that a journalist interviewing someone about a war or battle you’re covering inflates casualty figures by a factor of 1,000 and you don’t even notice? frankly, it’s impossible. His could be amistake. Hers, no way. Unless she’s in the wrong profession, or was hired for her looks.

Irie should spend more time actually reading the Israeli FM site and learn something, rather than scour simply to support his predetermined conclusions.

And as an aside, couldn’t find the graf you were talking about, and doubt i would arrive at the same conclusion, since why they are taking the action against Hamas has never been in dispute, except by conspiracists such as yourself.

RE: While HP is involved in clearing up misrepresentations you might inc lude this devastating de-construction of Israeli propaganda of who was resp[onsible for the breakdown on the Gaza cease fire
http://www.hagada.org.il/eng/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=248.

Yes very cute, except this article conveniently edits out WHY the israelis took the Nov. 5 action in gaza — because of tunnelling from gaza into israel. Now if those tunnels were under Israeli territory and/OR were being used to smuggle weapons, that’s good enough reason to go in and take them out. So basically, this is just more of the same blame game where everything always ends up being Israel’s fault. Not to mention that rockets were being fired throughout the ceasefire, albeit in much smaller numbers, but since when does a ceasefire allow you to fire even a single rocket.

On the face of it – absent more information – it sounds like a simple mistake; far more egregious is the reporting on the state funded BBC, which is regularly and consistently anti Israeli and pro Arab, even pro Hamas and Hezbollah and has managed to pull this ‘proportionality’ bilge from out of its arse.

The BBC is not stated funded (although the BBC World Service is), and its “not pulled ‘proportionality’ out of its arse”, as the Dahiya doctrine confirms:

“What happened in the Dahiya quarter in Beirut in 2006 will happen in every village from which Israel is fired upon. We will apply disproportionate force upon it and cause great damage and destruction there,” he said. “From our standpoint, these are not civilian villages, they are military bases.”

“This is not a recommendation. This is a plan. And it has been approved”. Israeli Major General Gadi Eisenkot

When the Israeli army actually stated previously that its aim was to use disproportionate force, don’t be surprised when the international media suggests that this may be happening again.

Bum. Typo in the link. It’s here:

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Palestinian+terror+since+2000/Missile+fire+from+Gaza+on+Israeli+civilian+targets+Aug+2007.html

The Irie

Excellent. Notice when rocket attacks suddenly went up again, in November, when Israel broke the ceasefire (Nov 4th).

Interesting how its possible to make the case against the Israeli action using Israeli official sources.

Rockets attacks are more psychological than physical: Israeli Defence Ministry

Use of disproportionate force as policy: Israeli Major General

Hugely reduced rocket attacks throughout ceasefire: Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs

On the face of it – absent more information – it sounds like a simple mistake; far more egregious is the reporting on the state funded BBC, which is regularly and consistently anti Israeli and pro Arab, even pro Hamas and Hezbollah and has managed to pull this ‘proportionality’ bilge from out of its arse.

Indeed.

The United States Marine Corps is not state-funded. It relies on taxpayers.

Thanks Benji – I should have said that I found that via the excellent democrats diary:

http://www.democratsdiary.co.uk/

Not to mention that rockets were being fired throughout the ceasefire, albeit in much smaller numbers, but since when does a ceasefire allow you to fire even a single rocket.

This massive reduction in mortar and rocket attacks counts as a major success in terms of increased security for Israel, considering that its more difficult to enforce a total ceasefire on the Gaza side because of the existence of irregular forces and splinter groups. From that success any sensible response would be to build on that it, not engage in widespread bombing that strengthens hardliners in Hamas, as well as bolstering support for that organisation. Increased destitution and distress in Gaza in the civilian population plays right into the hands of Hamas too, because people flock to their welfare services etc., and Hamas may also take the opportunity to clamp down on opponents.

Query: Have the governing authorities in Gaza ever punished anybody for shooting rockets into Israel?

Mesquito

The BBC is not state funded because its not funded from state money (i.e. money collected by taxation and then distributed by the state). To suggest that it is state funded suggests that the state allocates money from its pot. It does not. The BBC has a separate revenue stream based on a levy that the state can help collect, but it is not funded by the state from state money. The BBC World Service is the only arm of the BBC that is state funded as far as I am aware.

Benjamin

Excellent. Notice when rocket attacks suddenly went up again, in November, when Israel broke the ceasefire (Nov 4th).

Interesting how its possible to make the case against the Israeli action using Israeli official sources.

And what, dare i ask, SHOULD israel have done to stop Hamas digging out tunnels under Israel to try and kidnap Israeli troops?

NOTHING – Thus gaining a PR coup when Hamas actually kidnapped israelis and so Israel could say ‘they broke the ceasefire’? or the sensible thing and put a stop to it?

Hamas broke the ceasefire by attempting to kidnap Israeli citizens. no?

Benj: If I don’t pat my BBC teevee fee, do the BBC cops put me in BBC jail?

You may get a fine or wind up in jail. However, the fact that the state helps enforce payment of the levy does not mean the BBC is funded by the state. It is funded directly by license payers, not state money, which is a separate pot.

Luke
“seriously, is there no middle ground in the current discussion over the situation in Gaza? Does labeling people one disagrees with a “Israel-hater” (all the more absurd if that person actually lives in Israel) or a “Palestinian-hater” actually help?”

Too many people forget that what’s at stake in this conflict is not how many civilians are killed on each side, not the accuracy of palestinian rockets vs. Israel’s bombs, not an agreement on a new ceasefire. The stake is much, much higher – the existence of Israel as a jewish national state.

Prof. Zuckerman is known for his pro-palestinian views. Not that is wrong in itself – as long as the state of Israel is on friendly terms with the palestinians. As we all know, this is just wishful thinking for now.

Look at this sentence: “The political and military establishment in Japan is doing the right thing”. Does it sound anti-USA to any of you now? Certainly not. However, think how it must have sounded to the american people right after Pearl Harbor. Tokyo Rose, anyone?

What prof. Zuckerman and others like him are doing is giving their own enemies weapons in their propaganda war. Journalists like his interviewer are another useful tool in the process.

So the answer to your question is – no, there can be no middle ground on this topic. And this is not a matter of labeling people. In a war you have to know who your friends and your enemies are.

Benjamin’s hair-splitting has reached such a level of precision that I expect his next job will be advising the Iranian government on how to make the best of their nuclear programme.

Notice when rocket attacks suddenly went up again, in November, when Israel broke the ceasefire (Nov 4th).

Israel did not “break the ceasefire”. It destroyed a tunnel being dug by Hamas into Israeli territory. Acting is self-defence to thwart an act of aggression is not “breaking a cease-fire”.

And what, dare i ask, SHOULD israel have done to stop Hamas digging out tunnels under Israel to try and kidnap Israeli troops?

NOTHING – Thus gaining a PR coup when Hamas actually kidnapped israelis and so Israel could say ‘they broke the ceasefire’? or the sensible thing and put a stop to it?

Alright Benjamin, now I understand why everyone thinks you’re a complete idiot and wants to have you banned as a troll. That’s like saying if a rapist wants to give you one up the bum you shouldn’t resist so the police can prosecute him afterwards. I’m not even certain you’re being serious here.

It is funded directly by license payers, not state money, which is a separate pot.

Isn’t there someone who posts here with the monicker “half a lie is worse than the truth”?

License payment is enforced by the state – it is a criminal offence not to pay it if your TV can receive the BBC signal. Every reasonable person I know accepts the description of the BBC as ‘a state-subsidised broadcaster’. I said “reasonable”, which is why Benji rejects this description.

Which is not to say that I agree with the hare-brained mis-analysis of the BBC’s output by some of our commenters. If I could be arsed to write a post, I’d ensure any commenter on my threads who referred to “al-BBC” or similar was deleted on the spot.

BTW, on topic, Zuckermann is, I think, extrapolating from the UN’s 25-30% estimate of civilian fatalities from the bombing. 400k is about 27% of Gaza’s 1.5 million residents. He’s basically saying that there are roughly 400k civilian victims of Israel’s actions. Not particularly scientific but in the context of what is going on over there right now, not the gravest of crimes, either.

Oh, and Israel should stop, already.

Michael

Well, is the BBC funded by state money or not? It clearly is not. No one has ever argued that the license fee is state money (i.e. taxation, that is charges levied on citizens to support the government). Therefore the BBC is not state funded.

License payment is enforced by the state – it is a criminal offence not to pay it if your TV can receive the BBC signal. Every reasonable person I know accepts the description of the BBC as ‘a state-subsidised broadcaster’.

Strange. You think because the state can enforce payment of the fee, the BBC is state funded, or ’state subsidised’. The BBC receives little money from the state.

One can call the license fee a “BBC tax”, at a stretch (because it is compulsory), although taxation only really refers to charges levied on the citizens to fund government.

Benji, can you please explain how this brain-numbingly tedious series of quibbles in any way changes the thrust of the post that you were originally responding to?

On second thoughts, don’t.

This is why Fox News is so great. Their anchors often rip apart Palestinian spokespeople with facts and contradictions. And they will do so agressively and interrupting when they see the point being dodged.

There is one anchor, forget her name, she’s black and ultra beautiful. Yesterday I thought she was an Israeli Govt minister she was so agressive and knowledgeable against Palestinian liars. In the USA they GET IT! She challenged one guy who talked about indiscriminate targetting of civilians with “but Israel texts the Palestinians and distributes leaflets. Indepnedent UN verisifcation says that 80% are Hamas. And don’t Hamas cite themselves amongst civilians..” She was terrific.

On the BBC I only ever see them attack Ron Prosor, Mark Regev or Lipni. I don’t think they have the guts to interview Netanyahu.

And yet, I hear the nutters on Galloway’s program speak about the bias of the UK media in not presenting the facts. Well, if the biased towards Palestinian media are accused by Islamist and Terrorist supporters of not reflecting their view then that tells you that Hamas have lost the propaganda war and that right is on the Israeli side.

Of course, the BBC is a public service broadcaster, under a charter, and is largely publicly funded. However, apart from the World Service, it is not state funded, as was erroneously suggested by Nick from South Africa. This is an important distinction.

This is an important distinction.

No, it’s a tedious quibble, becoming infinitely more tedious through absurdly excessive repetition.

Seriously, Benji, have you ever looked back over the last five or six years and wondered what you could have done with that chunk of your life you spent making these pointlessly obsessive-compulsive posts? You won’t ever get it back, you know.

“This is an important distinction.”

Evidently.

Seriously, Benji, have you ever looked back over the last five or six years

No, but you’ve been keeping count…

No, but you’ve been keeping count…

No I haven’t, which is why I said “five or six years” – I’m assuming you started to plague Harry’s Place like a peculiarly persistent fart at some point between its founding in 2003 and my first becoming aware of it in 2004, but I really can’t be arsed to find out when this momentous event first occurred.

Not least because you’ll doubtless tell me that I was using the Julian calendar instead of the Gregorian one, and I’m actually several weeks out.

Michael

I regret to inform you that Harry’s Place was not founded in 2003. It was founded in 2002.

I regret to inform you that Harry’s Place was not founded in 2003. It was founded in 2002.

Benji, seriously, have you ever thought of getting psychiatric help? Not only does this “correction” not change the thrust of my post in any way whatsoever, it actually implies that you’ve been spending even more of your life posting drivel on Harry’s Place! How exactly does this help buff your image?

I see TheIdiot is still trying to whitewash his dirty little genocidal terrorist friends.

This is the same fuckwit who wouldn’t attend a demonstration by Iranian dissidents on his doorstep, and has spent the time since shilling for the Mullahs.

Some of Benji’s tactics in these matters:

1. dismiss the concern as “a storm in a tea cup”
2. suggest that the issue is overblown
3. point out that no one has heard of them anyway
4. when cornered, suddenly become literalistic and legalistic
5. if stuck then argue the meaning of words, eg. what does “it” really mean
5. finally, if none of the above works, ignore the bleeding obvious when it doesn’t suit his arguments

goto 1.

Folk! :D

Benji, seriously, have you ever thought of getting psychiatric help?

I did, but I dismissed him when he raided the drinks cabinet.

Karl Pfeifer,

This extract comes from the NYTimes. Since this post is about the numbers of casualties, has anyone tried to ascertain how many of the 400 casualties were victims of hamas? It is all too easy to ascribe all the deaths to Israel.

No Early End Seen to ‘All-Out War’ on Hamas in Gaza
By ETHAN BRONNER and TAGHREED EL-KHODARY, NYT, 30 December 2008
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/30/world/middleeast/30mideast.html?pagewanted=all

At Shifa Hospital in Gaza, the director, Dr. Hussein Ashour, said that keeping his patients alive from their wounds was an enormous challenge. He said there were some 1,500 wounded people distributed among Gaza’s nine hospitals with far too few intensive care units, equipped ambulances and other vital equipment.

On Monday, Dr. Ashour was not the only official in charge. Armed Hamas militants in civilian clothes roamed the halls. Asked their function, they said it was to provide security. But there was internal bloodletting under way.

In the fourth-floor orthopedic section, a woman in her late 20s asked a militant to let her see Saleh Hajoj, her 32-year-old husband. She was turned away and left the hospital. Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Hajoj was carried out by young men pretending to transfer him to another ward. As he lay on the stretcher, he was shot in the left side of the head.

Mr. Hajoj, like five others killed at the hospital this way in 24 hours, was accused of collaboration with Israel. He had been in the central prison awaiting trial by Hamas judges; when Israel destroyed the prison on Sunday he and the others were transferred to the hospital. But their trials were short-circuited.

A crowd at the hospital showed no mercy after the shooting, which was widely observed. A man in his 30s mocked a woman expressing horror at the scene.

As I thought, the situation may be being used by Hamas to ’settle some scores’ and is strengthening the hands of the hardliners.

As I thought, the situation may be being used by Hamas to ’settle some scores’ and is strengthening the hands of the hardliners.

What a shame you’re burbling away on a blog and not advising the Israeli government.

But it’s never too late for a career change – and please don’t let any of us stop you.

As I thought, the situation may be being used by Hamas to ’settle some scores’ and is strengthening the hands of the hardliners.

Pat Buchanan had a similarly sage theory on why the Holocaust was caused by the nasty old allies attacking Germany.

So Benjamin

What SHOULD israel have done to stop Hamas digging out tunnels under Israel to try and kidnap Israeli troops?

1. NOTHING? Thus gaining a PR coup when Hamas actually kidnapped israelis and so Israel could say ‘they broke the ceasefire’?

2. the sensible thing and put a stop to it by carring out a targeted (legal) attack on militants and killing only militants?

Hamas broke the ceasefire by attempting to kidnap Israeli citizens. no?

Lies. Who broke the Truce. The media can’t decide.

Fact: Truce started June 19th 2008 http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/06/2008619122925385372.html

Fact: Truce broken by Hamas

June 23, 2008
A single mortar shell was also fired from Gaza late Monday night and landed on the Israeli side of the border fence.
June 24, 2008
Three Qassam rockets fired from Gaza on Tuesday struck the Israeli border town of Sderot and its environs, causing no serious injuries but constituting the first serious breach of a five-day-old truce between Israel and Hamas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qassam_rocket_attacks_in_Israel_in_2008#June

Brownie wrote:

If I could be arsed to write a post, I’d ensure any commenter on my threads who referred to “al-BBC” or similar was deleted on the spot.

Gosh….a simple disagreement about the matter of BBC neutrality, failure adherence to their charter or even …yes their perfidiousness……which use of that common handle ‘al-BBC is clear shorthand for, prompting a delete would, I humbly offer; perhaps not be in the best spirit of HP’s rather open, even admirable posting record….with a caveat qualifying that ‘admirable’ handle with regards to 2 or 3 – sucking air out of the room – rather obsessive trolls.

I got my facts correctly. I have read first the transcript of the broadcast and wondered, why the journalist has not asked him, if the number of victims Zuckermann mentioned (400.000) is correct.
So I listened to the broadcast and heard that Zuckermann spoke cocksure about 400.000 victims.

The fact remains that only after publication did the German radio correct the transcript to 400.

I am not a psychiatrist to judge, what were the motives of Zuckermann, or if it was a slip of tongue. The way this was handled by the German Radio is scandalous.

No, I do not believe in conspiracy theories. And I did not imply such theory. I pointed out the mistakes made on purpose or because of ignorance of some German and Austrian journalists when reporting about the conflict Hamas – Israel.

Fact: Truce broken by Hamas

June 24, 2008
Three Qassam rockets fired from Gaza on Tuesday struck the Israeli border town of Sderot and its environs, causing no serious injuries but constituting the first serious breach of a five-day-old truce between Israel and Hamas.

No, sir, the truce was not broken by Hamas, it was broken by Islamic Jihad, as your own source admits:

Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack and said it had been a response to an Israeli military raid in the West Bank city of Nablus at dawn on Tuesday, in which a senior Islamic Jihad operative Tareq Abu Ghali, 24 and another Palestinian university student Iyad Khanfar, 21 were killed.

You know, Hamas can’t control Islamic Jihad, just like Israel can’t control its settlers. The difference being, of course, that Hamas soldiers are not seen looking on as Jihad shoots its rockets, while Israeli soldiers are seen looking on as the settlers rampage the West Bank.

Would a jew free world be happier?
It is not so much that Zionists hate Palestinians; after all, Zionists despise civilized humanity; it is more a case of the Zionist detesting themselves. Ahmadinejad advocates sending the Israeli Zionists to Alaska etc. I will tell Mahmoud Saborjhian straight, if you send the jew to Alaska, within 50 years the Alaskan goyim will beg the Russians to buy Alaska back! Minus Sarah Palin and company.

Malewski.
The record of Zionists:
They created a democratic state, an old language and culture was revived. And they defended themselves against those who wanted to exterminate them.

Look at the record of Hamas, this branch of Moslem brotherhood. They could have shown, that they can rule with more honesty for the good of their citizens Gaza after the Israelis left it in summer 2005. Instead of doing this, they spent a lot of money – they received a lot from the EU – on weapons, smuggled in from Egypt. Then they took over Gaza and killed a few hundred Muslim brothers. Remember how the threw the cook of Arafat from a high-rise-building?
And now they fire those rockets on Israel. So what is their achievement? They achieved abject misery for their own people.

More pathethic self pity. The only time when critics of a government policy are called racist are when that governent is Israel.

Which would make HP critics of Mugabe, a bunch of anti-black racists

Karl Pfeiffer

“And now they fire those rockets on Israel. So what is their achievement? They achieved abject misery for their own people.”

Quite right. I predict when the IDF enter Gaza they will be greated with tearful crowds delighted by their liberation throwing flowers at them and hugging them. Much as we see in the newsreels of your country Germany invading lands in the the 1940s

No Hypo, you put things into my mouth I did not say. They will not be received with flowers. Mind you some inhabitants of Jersey, good British people received the German army with flowers.
But as a matter of fact, if an opinion research would be conducted today, Gaza people would not elect Hamas. This is also the reason Hamas is against elections.
Naji Shurab, political scientist at the al-Azhar university in Gaza declared (Die Presse, 3.1.09) that many people, not only those who side with Fatah find, that Hamas is co responsible for what is happening.

Since English is not my native tongue, probably I did not express myself clearly.

Could you tell us where did I express self-pity?

You know, Hamas can’t control Islamic Jihad, just like Israel can’t control its settlers.

Hamas is the government in Gaza and takes ALL corporate resonsibility for all military action on its soil. Stating that Hamas has broken the ceasefire is a true statement.

If a Pakistani family origin terrorist goes to Israel to suicide bomb Israelis we don’t call them a Pakistani we call them a Brit. Yet, you can say that the British govt had no desire to suicide bomb people in Israel.

If you want to express it as Palest9inians and Israelis then you can say that The Palestinians broke the ceasefire, can’t you?

You lose!

In the USA they GET IT!

Fox maybe. On NPR the Gaza corespondent was so angry at Israel that he referred to Israel as “the Jewish State” instead of as Israel. Guess he hates them damn Jews.

This tiny insignificant non-story just about sums up HP. As civilians are liquidated and cut to pieces by Israeli invaders, HP picks up on a verbal slip. Anything to divert people from uncomfortable realities and avoid facing up to the truth that HP is supporting a violent unbalanced and aggressive war machine. The woman is an Israeli right? So she doesn’t speak native German right. Numbers are the hardest part of a lingo to comprehend and get right. So she mixes up 400 and 400000? Wow. Nobody thinks she tried to lie. Why would she when the reality is so bleakly and brutaly appalling?
You are desperate. And you are losing.

“So she mixes up 400 and 400000? “

I think this is a very interesting and significant Freudian slip when seen in the context of people shreiking “holocaust” with regards to Gaza.

Steve Brown get the facts right. The Israeli Prof. Dr. Zuckermann is teaching German History and speaks perfectly well German. The Journalist is a German.
So please do not try to deflect attention from subject matter.
Fact is also that the transcript was only corrected 8 hours after publication.
There are plenty of other articles where you can post your opinion about the conflict between Hamas and Israel.
Stick to subject matter.

As i noted earlier, it is one thing for the interviewee to misspeak or make a freudian slip, but quite another for the interviewer, a trained journalist, not to notice that a number has been inflated x 1000. Speaking as a journalist myself, i would say it well nigh near impossible. So either she has a weird political agenda or she didn’t get her current job for her journalistic skills.

vildechaye You are absolutely right. Of course the German radio tries to downplay the scandal:

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1230733155804&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Since they can’t admit their ideological prejudices they must plead incompetence.

Karl Pfeifer, I ask but one simple question: Would a jew free world be happier?