Paul Kaye on experiencing a Hamas rocket attack
Credit to the BBC for talking to a celebrity with first-hand experience beyond watching Hamas-approved video clips of the situation in Gaza (i.e., not Annie Lennox or Bianca Jagger).
Actor Paul Kaye, whose mother-in-law was killed in a Hamas rocket attack, told the BBC he had experienced the situation from an Israeli point of view.
“It’s terrifying,” he said. “My wife was trapped in a supermarket in a rocket attack. I was with my sons in Ashkelon station, holding them, waiting for a rocket to land and shutting my eyes thinking ‘is this it?’
“So I think it’s important to remember that mothers fleeing rocket attacks holding their children have the same fear on both sides of the border.”
Comments
| 3 January 2009, 4:05 pm |
The BBC coverage is a daily insult – not unlike al Jazeera I imagine.
| 3 January 2009, 4:08 pm |
I think the BBC do a tremendous job with the news, especially considering the intrinsically leftist nature of the people who work there.
| 3 January 2009, 4:09 pm |
So I think it’s important to remember that mothers fleeing rocket attacks holding their children have the same fear on both sides of the border.
The difference being of course that Hamas are firing randomly and deliberately targeting civilians; the Israelis build shelters, and using them The Gaza Arabs seem rather reluctant too….perhaps they’re rather more attached to the ‘InshaAllah’ method of defense than the stats would warrant.
| 3 January 2009, 4:14 pm |
beyond watching Hamas-approved video clips of the situation in Gaza
That’s because Israel tried to stop journalists entering Gaza. Then they tried to ignor a court decision saying they must allow them in.
Incidentally, will you condemn the murder of Ahmed Sanur’s son, and the IDF posting the snuff video on Youtube?
| 3 January 2009, 4:27 pm |
Kaye has no knowledge of the “situation in Gaza”. He has some knowledge of the situation in one of the colonial outposts on the outskirts of Gaza. Look up the difference between “in” and “outside” and stop making things up.
| 3 January 2009, 4:28 pm |
I don’t watch BBC News, Press TV, Russia Today or any of the other state broadcasting departments, but I do think it’s high time Paul Kaye resurrects, literally, Dennis Pennis. The argument that too many celebrities knew who he was is moot now. It’s been ten years which equates to about 20 generations of celebrity. That’s more than enough.
I’ve just been watching some of his Pennis clips on YouTube. On one of them some bright spark has written ‘Zionist prick!’ in the comments. How dare he speak in support of the ZioNazi apartheid occupation genocide state!
| 3 January 2009, 4:43 pm |
Callum come back to bed, you sexual colossus. Stop wasting your precious energy on these untermenschen, they have tired of you.
I’ll put Salon Kitty on again to get you in the mood. See to me, my precious obersturmführer! Do the bad things!!
| 3 January 2009, 4:45 pm |
““So I think it’s important to remember that mothers fleeing rocket attacks holding their children have the same fear on both sides of the border.””
I dont think the mothers in Gaza get much time to flee from precision rockets fired from F-16’s do they?
| 3 January 2009, 4:46 pm |
I don’t watch BBC News, Press TV, Russia Today or any of the other state broadcasting departments
The BBC is not a state broadcasting department.
| 3 January 2009, 4:56 pm |
I don’t know about those F16s Bob, but Callum’s precision missile never misses.
Unless he is punishing me.
| 3 January 2009, 5:35 pm |
I usually detect more than a bit of anti Israeli Bias in the BBC and I really think they should publish the Balen report immediately (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balen_Report).To be fair they have at least shown the two sides to this story, I just wish they would be a tad more impartial whilst spending our money.
| 3 January 2009, 5:45 pm |
figures helpfully provided by TheIrie show that in 2007, on average 2.5 rockets a day were fired at Israeli civilians, that is excluding 100s and 100s of mortars:
Year No. of rockets Comments Mortar bombs
2001 4 245
2002 35 257
2003 155 265
2004 281 876
2005 179 108 until the withdrawal, 238
71 afterwards
2006 946 22
2007 896 421 until the Hamas 749
takeover, 475 afterwards
2008 1,212 January-November 1290
| 3 January 2009, 5:48 pm |
BBC coverage is a daily insult – not unlike al Jazeera I imagine.
This time Al Jazeera has been far more balanced than the BBC. Something to do with Qatari Sheikhs realising that Hamas are not only a threat to Israel.
Meantimes – Alexi Sayle takes the prize as self-hating court Jew of the week. Transcript would be interestingto see read but along the lines that Israelis are the murders of innocent women and children, they have the pathology of murders and rapists etc.
All very good but AS needs to work on his delivery. He’s not as funny as he used to be … what was it about comedy and timing.
| 3 January 2009, 5:54 pm |
Alexi Sayle – that’s because he’s a member of the 1980s far-left. They’re all haters – they were spoiled by Thatcher because she didn’t care what they thought of her.
| 3 January 2009, 6:00 pm |
I saw the interview with Paul Kaye earlier and he was articulate and authentic.
MattWales, I tend to agree with you about the BBC’s bias but was talking about it with friends who have noticed less bias against Israel currently.
Bob Latchford, that may be true, but why then does Hamas continue to launch rockets from among its civilians when it hasn’t bothered to build one air raid shelter for them? (Mind you, even if it had shown such responsibility the chances are that it would launch rockets at Israel from the air raid shelters too and leave the people inside to take the consequences).
Callum, from what you have written on Harry’s Place, you have no experience of the situation inside Gaza either, have you, so what exactly was your point?
| 3 January 2009, 6:04 pm |
IDF now firing artillery. They have hit a mosque, during Saturday evening prayer, one of the busiest times of the week. Reports indicate around 11 killed, 30 wounded.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04/world/middleeast/04mideast.html?_r=1&hp
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ioi_0jtO9RjMwPNRoXNCndRPRq3gD95FQ8F81
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809699.stm
Minimizing collateral damage my fucking arse.
| 3 January 2009, 6:08 pm |
Well marched for peace together with Peter Tatchell today for peace.
| 3 January 2009, 6:09 pm |
Waseem, could have been a lot more. Think what Hamas would have done with an M109 and you’ll get some proportion of what NOT minimizing collateral damage would be like.
| 3 January 2009, 6:11 pm |
Alexi Sayle – that’s because he’s a member of the 1980s far-left. They’re all haters – they were spoiled by Thatcher because she didn’t care what they thought of her.
Still you have to be impressed by the AS’s innate humility. He believes that Jewish people who have a public profile must speak out and say that this is not being done in their name.
Someone needs to inform the old ASs that its not being done in his name or for him for that matter. He lives in Hampstead garden subarbs not Sederot.
What is being done in his name and for him is the call for his murder by the likes of that eminent spiritual leader and university professor Rayyan – who views AS (or his co-religionists) as an abomination, pig/apes that must be eliminated.
Why not arrange an exchange now that there is a vacancy at a gaza university. They send a British university a bearded facist cleric to teach Islamism to British students and we send them AS. He already has the beard, just needs the deriguer black mask and military outfit.
| 3 January 2009, 6:12 pm |
‘marched for peace together with Peter Tatchell today for peace.’
Thanks for that Derek, a bit bloody late though.
PS it’s hot down here.
| 3 January 2009, 6:14 pm |
Well, I’m back from the march. It was bloomin’ massive – I was really surprised how big it was. The organisers were saying 50,000+, the police 6000 – nothing new there. At Downing street we were all supposed to leave a pair of old shoes – I brought some along, but couldn’t get through the crowd to leave them. Over 1000 pairs were apparantly launched in the direction of number 10. I also note that there has been relatively good media coverage of the march. Overall, I think, a success.
After the march I happened to go home via the Israeli embassy, and things were getting quite lively there. Massive riot police presence. This is apparently happening daily now, which, I think, as long as it remains peaceful, it is positive, since the protests will surely be reported back to the Israeli Government.
Sadly, though, today things have only got worse, and we appear on the brink of a ground invasion by Israel. Complete disaster.
| 3 January 2009, 6:15 pm |
Irie, could you send down a Coke?
| 3 January 2009, 6:17 pm |
Sadly, though, today things have only got worse, and we appear on the brink of a ground invasion by Israel. Complete disaster.
Yup. Israel might just be able to stop rockets being fired at Israeli civilians. Terrible, I know.
| 3 January 2009, 6:17 pm |
I went up West to view the last bit of the foolishness at Traf Sq. A few thousand there when I was, I would say – c5000 ? (very unscientific). The speeches were incomprehensible ranting as you might imagine and all the usual SWP and other sect stalls were on show. No Respect Renewal stuff on show that I saw – interesting ?
Also no explicit support for Hamas that I saw, again interesting perhaps. The only banner I saw that called for Hamas to stop as well as Israel was held by a one man group of guess who ?
Yes – you got it – Peter Tatchell :)
Also I saw no union support banners/placards.
I’ve got some photos including PT in action, have emailed in.
| 3 January 2009, 6:19 pm |
“So I think it’s important to remember that mothers fleeing rocket attacks holding their children have the same fear on both sides of the border.”
Its important to remember mothers (and daughters and sons and fathers) on both sides of the border but its hardly the same level of risk is it?
4 deaths verses 400 ? The only logic for focussing on the former and the latter is that one considers some human life more important than others. Which HP clearly does.
One population that is trapped (Gaza) one that isnt (Israelis). One population with access to medical supplies (Israelis) one that isnt (Gaza)
| 3 January 2009, 6:19 pm |
50,000 my arse.
| 3 January 2009, 6:21 pm |
Sky News has it at 12,000. Were you there Jim? What is your estimate and what is your basis for that estimate?
| 3 January 2009, 6:26 pm |
Sky News – Israeli troops have just entered Gaza.
| 3 January 2009, 6:28 pm |
TheIrie what did you think of the large number of British Muslim Initiative’s banners saying “Stop the Holocaust in Gaza” ?
Is that a rational comparision to make do you think TheIrie ?
| 3 January 2009, 6:28 pm |
“Also no explicit support for Hamas that I saw…”
From the Guardian:
“The crowd was a sea of Palestinian, Hamas and Hezbollah flags as well as the red standards of leftwing groups…”
| 3 January 2009, 6:30 pm |
“Sadly, though, today things have only got worse, and we appear on the brink of a ground invasion by Israel. Complete disaster.”
Aw, fucking hell The Irie – it looks like you and your equally halfwitted shoe-lobbing chums did nothing at all to halt the conflict. Who’d have thought it?
Actually, while you’re here, maybe you could explain to us what throwing shoes at number ten has got to do with anything?
| 3 January 2009, 6:30 pm |
Shmuel – I don’t know what the Hamas flag looks like, I was looking at the placards and banners in English.
| 3 January 2009, 6:37 pm |
I saw not one Hamas flag. I did see a few people with green head bands with the word Gaza written on them. I also saw probably about a dozen Hezbollah flags. There were some placards saying stop the holocaust in Gaza. I think that is a ridiculous exageration, but so what. Most placards said “Free Palestine” and “Stop the massacre”. Incidentally, the only place I saw the word “Jew” was on the Jews for Justice for Palestinians placards. I can honestly say I saw nothing remotely anti-Semitic. This march was very much about what is happening, on the ground, right now, in Gaza.
| 3 January 2009, 6:40 pm |
“I think that is a ridiculous exageration, but so what.”
TheIrie – I’ll ask you again, just out of interest: what is that you teach? What kind of academic are you?
| 3 January 2009, 6:42 pm |
Irie, are you all excited because you feel you participated in a bit of Jew baiting today? You rascal!
| 3 January 2009, 6:44 pm |
Umar: I will assume you are being willfully ignorant, though judging by the flippancy of your response to the deaths of 10 innocent civilians I doubt that is the only thing you are guilty of.
a ground invasion will be a disaster because:
a) it will result in the deaths of countless innocent civilians. Political commentators, military experts, and world public opinion know this, and even given the IDF’s scale of value for Palestinian life, from Israel’s perspective this would only be worth the damage to reputation, loss of soldier’s lives, cost of occupation etc if the end result is the destruction (or as near as) of Hamas.
b) But unless Israel commits to a costly and lengthy occupation this will not happen. Rather, Hamas will gain legitimacy amongst Gazans for locking in combat the IDF that has been bombarding them for one week, at a cost of more than a hundred civilian lives. And even if Hamas are broken, other resistance groups will spring up. After the past week, the only Israeli response that will stop the rocket attacks will have to be total, and brutal repression, on the ground in Gaza.
Though I’m sure, no matter how many Palestinian lives it takes, it will be worth it to stop those rocket attacks, right?
| 3 January 2009, 6:45 pm |
Paul – I have precisely zero interest in having any kind of discussion with you. Thank you and have a nice day.
| 3 January 2009, 6:47 pm |
“Paul – I have precisely zero interest in having any kind of discussion with you. Thank you and have a nice day.”
Don’t be like that. All I want to know is what kind of academic you are, that’s all. Where’s the harm in that?
| 3 January 2009, 6:47 pm |
Aw, fucking hell The Irie – it looks like you and your equally halfwitted shoe-lobbing chums did nothing at all to halt the conflict. Who’d have thought it?
Shoe-lobbing can be fun, mind you. The sport of Bonving, which is a bit like doubles tennis but with wasterpaper baskets and a shoe instead of rackets and a ball, leaps instantly to mind. Here’s 7 seconds worth of footage of Bonving. The idiot throwing the shoe is me.
| 3 January 2009, 6:54 pm |
I did see a group with green headbands and and at least one of them had “Hamas” written on it. These types were flying Hamas flags (ie the green, white and black one with the red triangle – have just checked my photos).
I wonder if these fine chaps are now up protesting at the Israeli embassy ?
| 3 January 2009, 7:01 pm |
Irie, you are a man born in the wrong time! Think of the fun you’d have had in late 30’s Berlin. You could have made the Jews dance in the street on a whim or made them scrub the pavement.
If they didn’t do it well, you could even have given them a big boot up the arse!
And Bob Latchford could hold your coat.
| 3 January 2009, 7:02 pm |
A picture is worth a thousand words
http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story
| 3 January 2009, 7:06 pm |
yugoslav, you’ve been duped. those photographs have been staged
and in any case if any people did inadvertently die they are anti-semitic scum and deserved it.
| 3 January 2009, 7:11 pm |
Django
“Irie, you are a man born in the wrong time! Think of the fun you’d have had in late 30’s Berlin. You could have made the Jews dance in the street on a whim or made them scrub the pavement.”
But now we live in 2009 you can join the IDF and do it to Palestinians sorry “cockroaches who must be killed”
| 3 January 2009, 7:13 pm |
Well marched for peace together with Peter Tatchell today for peace.
Derek, if you were truly interested in peace, you would have marched against Hamas’s rocket fire before the Israeli operation.
| 3 January 2009, 7:17 pm |
Gene
“Derek, if you were truly interested in peace, you would have marched against Hamas’s rocket fire before the Israeli operation”
Are you serious? How many people died in Hamas rocket fire? 20 in 7 years
And since Hamas dont have an embassy (remember the Palestinians dont have a state Gene) where the fvck would you march to?
More people get stabbed in London every year. When are you marching about that?
| 3 January 2009, 7:19 pm |
Gene – Yes, those are the two flags I didn’t and did see, respectively.
| 3 January 2009, 7:19 pm |
Gene – see Hamas logo with green, white black and red on here :
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/da/HamasLogo.jpg
I sent my photos to harryblog@gmail.com, have you got them ?
| 3 January 2009, 7:24 pm |
I sent my photos to harryblog@gmail.com, have you got them ?
Please send them to gzitver (at) aol.com
| 3 January 2009, 7:27 pm |
Gene – Done.
Actually – just realised the Hamas logo coloured flag bit is also the general Palestinian flag.
| 3 January 2009, 7:27 pm |
TheIrie wrote:
“I can honestly say I saw nothing remotely anti-Semitic.”
sadly, you rarely do
even when it is 2 inches from your face.
| 3 January 2009, 7:31 pm |
Gene
“I sent my photos to harryblog@gmail.com, have you got them ?
Please send them to gzitver (at) aol.com”
Your ferreting around to find one person in a demonstartion of thousands who has a Hamas flag so you can “prove” everyone on the demonstartion is a rabid anti-semite is comical
| 3 January 2009, 7:42 pm |
HPhypocrite -
You should be happy, Gene wants to show up the real hypocrites – the terrorist loving Hamas fans who went on this disgusting and farcical so-called “peace” rally.
| 3 January 2009, 7:46 pm |
Hi everyone, just back from the march. It was fucking a-mazing. Best was the minutes silence for Nizar Rayyan. Fucking incredible guy. At least 75,000 there and not a word. I’d march against the Zionazis every day, except that I have an appointment in Milan tomorrow.
PS We threw our shoes at Alexi Sayle in the end as he was the only Jew there!
| 3 January 2009, 7:47 pm |
MoreMediaNonsense thanks for proving my point
Perhaps the IDF shouldve bombed the rally or all the protestors shouldve at the very least been arrested under the anti-terrorism act
| 3 January 2009, 7:50 pm |
HPhypocrite – strong words but with an element of truth. There were indeed a number of people there who should have been arrested under the anti-terrorism act.
| 3 January 2009, 7:52 pm |
As for TheIrie, well if I’d seen him there……
| 3 January 2009, 7:52 pm |
I note the ground operation has begun. Hamas are claiming to have killed Israeli soldiers.
| 3 January 2009, 7:53 pm |
Where was Annie Lennox, TheIrie et al while Israel was being shelled daily by Hamasistan?
I’d love just once to hear a reporter ask that to one of those twits. I’d also like to ask one of them this, “If this is all about the occupation why have the rocket attacks increased since the Gaza withdrawl?”
| 3 January 2009, 7:54 pm |
MoreMediaNonsense
“There were indeed a number of people there who should have been arrested under the anti-terrorism act.”
Quite right. Protesting is an act of terrorism.
| 3 January 2009, 8:04 pm |
HPhypocrite – “Protesting is an act of terrorism.”
I wouldn’t go that far old chap. You’re a bit OTT aren’t you ?
PS You seem to think I’m seriously engaging with your garbage. Are you stupid and humourless as well as irritating and pointless ?
| 3 January 2009, 8:08 pm |
“So I think it’s important to remember that mothers fleeing rocket attacks holding their children have the same fear on both sides of the border.”
This is something that maybe those of you who advocate bombing Gaza might also take a look at.
| 3 January 2009, 8:13 pm |
He has some knowledge of the situation in one of the colonial outposts on the outskirts of Gaza
Yup, those totally European Joos are imperialist colonialist running-dog hyena invaders in the Middle East.
| 3 January 2009, 8:15 pm |
Can we drop all this shit about people who happen to disagree with you and who also happen to be Jewish being “self haters”. They have different views. Using the language of totalitarians is the first step to the GuLag.
People are allowed to disagree with you.
| 3 January 2009, 8:15 pm |
PS You seem to think I’m seriously engaging with your garbage. Are you stupid and humourless as well as irritating and pointless ?
You can’t engage with many of those ilk, any more than you can nail custard to the wall. They run away from facts, to some fantasy world where all the world’s ills derive from Jews objecting to being murdered.
| 3 January 2009, 8:15 pm |
This is something that maybe those of you who advocate bombing Gaza might also take a look at.
A good question to ask is: where would you rather be right now? Taking your chances in Sderot or down town Gaza?
Not difficult, is it.
| 3 January 2009, 8:17 pm |
Can we drop all this shit about people who happen to disagree with you and who also happen to be Jewish being “self haters”
Sorry, no. Jews who buy into the crap that the Jews, of all people in the world, are not entitled to a free country in their homeland, are self-haters.
Trying to deny us the right to use this term is the first step in setting up a ministry of truth and totalitarianism.
| 3 January 2009, 8:19 pm |
I’d march against the Zionazis every day
Of course, there is no such thing as ‘antisemitism’.
| 3 January 2009, 8:21 pm |
Django, just imagine some of these people in Berlin in 1936: kicking would be the least they’d do.
| 3 January 2009, 8:22 pm |
Sorry, no. Jews who buy into the crap that the Jews, of all people in the world, are not entitled to a free country in their homeland, are self-haters.
Obviously bollocks. Zionism is an ideology. As is, say Kurdish, Irish or (even) Cornish nationalism. Is Ian Paisley a self-hater? Welcome to the IRA Nearly Oxfordian.
| 3 January 2009, 8:23 pm |
George Galloway is reported to be injured.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=80382§ionid=351020601
| 3 January 2009, 8:25 pm |
DeFisker -
Sayle was never remotely as funny as he thought he was. He was always a smug, self-satisfied so-and-so, which is fatal in someone wishing to be a comedian (or indeed, any actor). It was simply that he was part of the fashionable so-called ‘alternative’ crowd, a bunch of adolescent primadonnas with more self-regard than talent but adored by ‘progressive’ undergraduates.
I am not surprised to see that he is a screeching idiot.
| 3 January 2009, 8:26 pm |
Fed up with it -
well yes, your post IS utter bollocks. You have no clue what Zionism is, so stop making yourself look foolish. You have not even attempted to engage with my point. Quelle surprise.
| 3 January 2009, 8:27 pm |
The BBC is not a state broadcasting department
LOL.
| 3 January 2009, 8:28 pm |
Nearly Oxfordian, come back when you have reached puberty.
| 3 January 2009, 8:30 pm |
since the protests will surely be reported back to the Israeli Government
Who will change its policy at the behest of a bunch of ignorant lunatics, I have no doubt.
| 3 January 2009, 8:31 pm |
Nearly Oxfordian, come back when you have reached puberty
Fuck off.
| 3 January 2009, 8:35 pm |
4 deaths verses 400 ?
Lie.
The only logic for focussing on the former and the latter is that one considers some human life more important than others. Which HP clearly does.
The standard hypocritical (what else) nonsense about numbers being important, instead of looking at who is trying to exterminate whom, who launches indiscriminate attacks on civilians after being urged over years to desist, who commits war crimes by deliberately targeting civilians, placing launchers inside civilian areas etc.
One population that is trapped (Gaza) one that isnt (Israelis). One population with access to medical supplies (Israelis) one that isnt (Gaza)
Lie. They have plenty of money to buy medical supplies.
| 3 January 2009, 8:49 pm |
I note the ground operation has begun. Hamas are claiming to have killed Israeli soldiers. Mike
‘Dozens of Hamas gunmen killed in clashes with IDF troops’ JP
Like a true Islamist supporter [musical] notes are not your strong point.
| 3 January 2009, 8:54 pm |
Nearly Oxfordian
“The standard hypocritical (what else) nonsense about numbers being important”
So are you suggesting all human life isnt equally important? Even if we allow for the notion that simply being a member of Hamas or an employee of the Gazan governemnt is deserving of capital punishment, the Palestinians have suffered far more civilian casualities and so are deserving of more sympathy
“Lie. They have plenty of money to buy medical supplies.”
Though sadly not the ability to get them to the hospitals since the Israelis (and Egyptians) are blockading Gaza and attacking boats which try and deliver supplies
| 3 January 2009, 8:56 pm |
There were about 7000 on the march and in Trafalgar Square. I think that was the police estimate too. The organisers claimed 50,000 – speaking from the stage – but that was a gross exaggeration. Annie Lennox did her thing – where I wonder were her humanitarian aand motherly instincts when Israelis were murdered by suicide bombers? Alexei Sayle spoke ‘as-a-jew’ and of course told everyone how ashamed he was ‘as-a-jew’.
Most of the placards were OK but there were a few (with Nazi comparisons) which were antisemitic. They then moved to Kensington High Street, opposite the road where the Israeli Embassy is. I guess there were 2500 there. I saw one arrest. The protest became more and more heated and the police closed the street to pedestrians. After I left, I think an Israeli flag was burnt.
Our own home-grown anti-Zionists were there, but I didn’t see Neturei Karta.
| 3 January 2009, 9:01 pm |
“Yup, those totally European Joos are imperialist colonialist running-dog hyena invaders in the Middle East.”
Nearly Oxfordian they way you use the holocaust to justify the grotesque injustice of the setting up of the Israel state is both repulsive and comical.
The Zionist movement was entirely made up of Europeans. Without them it would never have happened. So Israel is a European colonial settler state.
| 3 January 2009, 9:01 pm |
Former London Mayor Ken Livingstone and Jewish comedian Alexei Sayle also added their support to the campaign. Sayle said he was speaking out because it was important for Jewish voices to be heard. He said: “I want to feel proud of Israel, I want to be proud of my people but I am ashamed.”
Your people?! Im sure that as far as most of “your people” are concerned they would be fine with you DeJewing yourself. That would leave you in the company of people who could accept you as an ex-ape/pig – hopefully.
& whats the point of growing a islamist beard if you arent willing to go on an anti-zionazi march? I couldnt spot AS in any of the demo pix.
| 3 January 2009, 9:01 pm |
Oh, Nearly, you turn me on.
Even if 50,000 did march, that left seven millions in London who didn’t.
Kaye has no knowledge of the “situation in Gaza”.
He’s been a hell of a lot closer than thou, Callum.
| 3 January 2009, 9:03 pm |
Martin
“Most of the placards were OK but there were a few (with Nazi comparisons) which were antisemitic.”
If comparing Israel to Nazis is anti-semitic why isnt comparing Palestinians/Arabs/Muslims? Not a few pro-Israel commentators use phrases like IslamoNazis.
| 3 January 2009, 9:05 pm |
DeFisker
“Your people?! Im sure that as far as most of “your people” are concerned they would be fine with you DeJewing yourself. That would leave you in the company of people who could accept you as an ex-ape/pig – hopefully.
& whats the point of growing a islamist beard if you arent willing to go on an anti-zionazi march? I couldnt spot AS in any of the demo pix.”
Apparently not having extreme venous hatred for Palestinians or Muslims in general is a sign of “DeJewing” yourself. There is surely more to Jewish identity than this, not that youd know it by HP and its posters.
| 3 January 2009, 9:06 pm |
Alec McPherson
Kaye has no knowledge of the “situation in Gaza”.
“He’s been a hell of a lot closer than thou, Callum.”
Since when is Ashkelon a part of Gaza?
Have you joined Neterei Karta Alec?
| 3 January 2009, 9:11 pm |
There were about 7000 on the march and in Trafalgar Square. I think that was the police estimate too. The organisers claimed 50,000 – speaking from the stage – but that was a gross exaggeration. Annie Lennox did her thing – where I wonder were her humanitarian aand motherly instincts when Israelis were murdered by suicide bombers? Alexei Sayle spoke ‘as-a-jew’ and of course told everyone how ashamed he was ‘as-a-jew’.
tip to AS … next time describe yourself ‘as-a-court-jew’ … it will go down alot better than the crowd and it is far better one liner … as long as you pull one of your stupid faces right after your admission.
alternatively u can try your some of your own advice
| 3 January 2009, 9:19 pm |
“Credit to the BBC for talking to a celebrity with first-hand experience beyond watching Hamas-approved video clips of the situation in Gaza (i.e., not Annie Lennox or Bianca Jagger).”
If you REALLY want to know what is happening in Gaza why dont you link to Blogs by Gazans?
http://fromgaza.blogspot.com/
http://a-mother-from-gaza.blogspot.com/
http://palestinian.ning.com/forum/topics/the-other-side-of-the-story
| 3 January 2009, 9:25 pm |
Apparently not having extreme venous hatred for Palestinians or Muslims in general is a sign of “DeJewing” yourself. There is surely more to Jewish identity than this, not that youd know it by HP and its posters.
Hypokrite – you’re obviously not fast on the uptake. Thats my point, if Alexi Sayle is anti-Israeli then all he had to do was attend the march and voice his “outrage” at Zionists and Israeli. He didnt need to try and get cheap laughs by telling all and sundry that he was a Jew. Its not funny.
His old material wasnt alot better but could (unlike you) elicit the occasional laugh.
| 3 January 2009, 9:26 pm |
No way was it 50,000. It was tightly packed close to the plinth where the speakers were, but further away in the Square there were large empty spaces. I spoke to several policemen and all said it was around 7000 and that is the figure the police are giving out. The “Stop The War” and PSC lot always grossly exaggerate their numbers — and they admit it if you press them.
‘War On Want’ is still claiming 20,000 at the ‘Enough!’ demo in 2007.
It was 5000.
| 3 January 2009, 9:36 pm |
99.9998% of humanity still not marching against Israel.
| 3 January 2009, 9:38 pm |
Yes, it’s nice to have a more balanced view of what’s happening there.
| 3 January 2009, 9:44 pm |
Yes, it’s nice to have a more balanced view of what’s happening there.
I expect it’ll be every bit as balanced as the Beeb’s Gazan correspondents.
| 3 January 2009, 9:47 pm |
More “As a Jew” fun from Alexi
“As a Jew, it’s very moving to see so many people who are so outraged at Israel’s actions,” Sayle said. “Israel is a democratic country that is behaving like a terrorist organization.”
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3649690,00.html
I think I see where AS is trying to go with this material.
You can extend it to a point where it can get funny …. “as a Jew I work up this morning”, “as a Jew – I scratched my balls” … im so happy to have been able to do that “as a Jew” – oh yeah, I almost forgot … DEATH TO ISRAEL!
| 3 January 2009, 9:48 pm |
Since when is Ashkelon a part of Gaza?
Since when did I say it was?
Have you joined Neterei Karta Alec?
I have no idea what that’s supposed to mean.
| 3 January 2009, 9:50 pm |
I noted Yusoglav’s little offering. The reason why the photos are not equal is because unlike the Hamas scum Israel does not glorify death and would not release such horrific pictures. For Hamas these casualties are PR victories which empty headed maggots like Yugoslav et al are only too pleased to disseminate on their behalf. Israel has on countless occasions expressed sincere regret for these casualties each one of itself a tragedy for some family in Gaza. I have heard no expression of regret from the Arab side for the death and injury they have caused to the Israelis because there is none. When will you morons get it! They want to kill Jews we don’t want to kill Arabs but if they think they can lob rockets on our citizens with impunity then they will learn a hard lesson we are also entitled to live in the peace and security that the airheads supporting Hamas in Trafalgar Square enjoy and who would be screaming blue murder if rockets were being lobbed on London for eight years and their government did nothing!
| 3 January 2009, 9:51 pm |
Umar: I will assume you are being willfully ignorant, though judging by the flippancy of your response to the deaths of 10 innocent civilians I doubt that is the only thing you are guilty of.
Look, it’s not as though Islam is like Christinaity.
The IDF wouldn’t be targeting mosques if those mosques weren’t being used as ammunitions depots by Hamas.
Imagine using a house of worship as an instrument to wage war.
Try to imagine a Jewish or Christian congregation doing something as perverse as that.
Those 10 people ultimately were killed by Hamas, and knowing the lies Hamas spews out, I doubt very much they were ‘innocent civilians’.
99.9998% of humanity still not marching against Israel.
Exactly, this latest round of Palestinain histrionics doesn’t appear to be going over all that well, coming as it does on the heels of the Mumbai attacks and all.
Even some Arab countires are rolling their eyes and offering NO support.
| 3 January 2009, 9:54 pm |
Yes, it’s nice to have a more balanced view of what’s happening there.
But isn’t “balance” a bit like the word “proportion”?
What does it mean, and why do we need it?
| 3 January 2009, 10:08 pm |
Not a few pro-Israel commentators use phrases like IslamoNazis.
I think “islamonazis” is an apt and accurate term to describe the mindset of the Mumbai attackers…among many others.
Worthless, backward Islamists who express open admiration for Hitler, who make no secret of their antisemitism, and who expresss a desire to wipe out Israel and the Jews in general are most definately islamonazis.
They invoke islam at every turn when expressing their fascist hatreds.
Hence the (intensifying) association of ‘Islam’ with ‘Nazi’.
Surley you didn’t think they were bearded ballerinas?
I would just like to point out that this latest dustup lacks the tight solidarity expressed by the Arab world during the Lbeanon crisis in ‘06.
Some sections of the Arab world this time ’round even appear to be annoyed with the Palestinians
| 3 January 2009, 10:14 pm |
Imagine using a house of worship as an instrument to wage war.
Try to imagine a Jewish or Christian congregation doing something as perverse as that.
I thought Jews did that in the Warsaw Ghetto?
Anyways back to Alexi Sayle and his new material.
he could do a double act with Omid Jalili – Sayle “as a Jew” im so ashamed, Jalili “as a muslim” its a great honor to be here today, we are all Hamas now! Sayle me too – “as a pig/ape” I support brother Haniyeh all the way … in fact let me ritually cut my throat right now – give me a knife someone, anyone, …
| 3 January 2009, 10:22 pm |
“… in fact let me ritually cut my throat right now ”
ho ho ho!! Watch out,Sayle,there is a new funny kid on the block.
| 3 January 2009, 10:28 pm |
“As-a-Jew, the only time I am reminded I am a Jew is when I feel ashamed that Jews in Israel fight back against those who would see them dead.”
| 3 January 2009, 11:42 pm |
De Fisker
“he could do a double act with Omid Jalili – Sayle “as a Jew” im so ashamed, Jalili “as a muslim” its a great honor to be here today, we are all Hamas now!”
Omid Jalili isnt a Muslim. Remember no Muslims have a sense of humour. Not every Iranian is a Muslim. Or every Palestinian
You though are a cock
| 3 January 2009, 11:48 pm |
JohnP
“Worthless, backward Islamists who express open admiration for Hitler, who make no secret of their antisemitism, and who expresss a desire to wipe out Israel and the Jews in general are most definately islamonazis.”
I must be nuts to reply too a loon like you but you can you mention any Muslim scholars who have expressed an admiration for Hitler?
Notions of race, racial supremacy and racial purity are alien and an anathema to Islam
| 4 January 2009, 1:42 am |
Permit me to intrude on your intellectual masturbating
this stuff: http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/01/03/israel-is-an-impossibility-it-is-an-offense-against-god/
is pretty fucking horrible in my book. Quite how such fervent people will ever see reason is beyond my wildest imaginings. I know he wouldn’t have liked me and probably not you either. And I wouldn’t have liked to have lived under his rule either. And I’m not even gay or female or jewish. I’d love a peaceful long term solution but where from?
| 4 January 2009, 2:27 am |
“Credit to the BBC for talking to a celebrity with first-hand experience beyond watching Hamas-approved video clips of the situation in Gaza ”
ah so Hamas is approving Annie Lennox and Bianca Jagger, and the BBC checks with them before showing?
Gene is one fucking dumb kid.
“Islamists under the bed”?
I know your paranoid persecuting Gene.
| 4 January 2009, 2:51 am |
Omid Jalili isnt a Muslim. Remember no Muslims have a sense of humour. Not every Iranian is a Muslim. Or every Palestinian.You though are a cock.
You moron, Hypokrite …. Bahii’s are only considered apostates by muslim fanatics like the mullahs that rule Iran. You show yourself for the facist that you are by saying that Jalili isnt a muslim. As a close friend of “As a Jew” he would help make a good double act.
| 4 January 2009, 2:57 am |
“Credit to the BBC for talking to a celebrity”
Not really Gene – the BBC have been at the forefront of promoting the cult of the celebrity.
I no more want to know about Annie Bollock’s political inclinations and opinions on Gaza as I would want to hear a song by Hanyieh … a celeb’s input unless they really know and understand what they are talking about is less valid than that of any individual caught up in the fighting.
Its nothing but self promotion as “As a Jew” Sayle proves.
| 4 January 2009, 7:23 am |
I must be nuts to reply too a loon like you but you can you mention any Muslim scholars who have expressed an admiration for Hitler?
The grand mufti of jerusalem during the war. He met with hitler, shook his hand and made radio broadcasts for him (no doubt about the perfidy of the jews, etc.), unless you’re saying he doesn’t qualify as a muslim scholar, which may be true. What is also true is that he was the leader of the Palestinian muslims at the time.
| 4 January 2009, 9:13 am |
I saw the whole 8 minutes “1st edition” of Peter Kaye being interviewed. The clip that the BBC now have on their site has been sanitised and his talking about the Palestinian “educational system” – ie Jews = Pigs and Dogs; cartoon suicide bombers et al has been omitted. I can’t now find the original video anywhere on the net either. This often happens with the BBC but who can record all of the news all of the time eeh.
| 4 January 2009, 5:36 pm |
“Credit to the BBC for talking to a celebrity with first-hand experience beyond watching Hamas-approved video clips of the situation in Gaza ”
ah so Hamas is approving Annie Lennox and Bianca Jagger, and the BBC checks with them before showing?
Any video coming out of Gaza is by definition Hamas-approved. Otherwise we’d have seen the mangled bodies and grieving parents of these two girls.
| 5 January 2009, 6:05 am |
The New Statesman has a little piece about the evil hook nosed, Israelis forcing the oppressed freedom loving Palestinian Babies to endure sewage odure! I was bemused listening to a BBC programme about Cuba, were the other oppressed were using their drainpipes to make piston rings for a 1950 Pontiac. Do not try this at home with modern plastic drainpipes children! Apparently, the Hamas Sandwich Brigade, use their sewage pipes for their fireworks. Please tell me this not true, someone anyone! What is about these third world detritus peoples, doomed to oblivion anyway using the core basis our civil society for negative, primitive technological advancement?
| 5 January 2009, 10:52 am |
What, you mean the BBC actually spoke to an Israeli about their experience of being under rocket fire? They actually are not as one sided in their reporting as I thought? And I missed this…….!!!!!
The BBC deserves no credit at all for their coverage of this conflict….