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Whilst it is obviously moving, it brings tears to my eyes, and says much for the humanity of the majority, there is no glimmer of hope unless murderous terrorists are nullified or exterminated by their own kith and kin.

Seconded, Frank

I look forward to Zionist Gene’s lickle twales of puppy dawgs and lickle kwittens.

spgb gray, sorry that you found this to be a reason for mockery.

In 20 years time, that little biddy might very well want to shoot missles at Israel because its parents are dead and it hates Israel because of sanctions and attacks.

THEN, Gene, that kid being killed will be given your full support. That’s what I am pointing at.

Don’t go dewy eyed and repulsive

Why do Palestinians have such poor access to heath services that they rely on the mercy of Israeli charities for things like standard heart treatments?

Mike

it is why I argue for socialism. Israelis and Palestinians, like everyone around the world, should have quality education, good housing, peace, the real basis to develop their potentials, etc, et al.

Capitalism denies that

That wasn’t the answer.

or spgb_gray, this child might learn that trying to kill Israelis is futile and has achieved nothing in the past 60+ years

please remember humans can take various lessons from any circumstances, not just the simplified nonsense that you put forward.

You’re absolutely right, spgb. Israel should have killed him now, just in case. Is that what you would prefer? It is, after all, the Islamist attitude to the babies of their Israeli enemy.

Too many wars happen, for too many reasons, good and bad. You could take some small measure of comfort that, in this war at least, there are some people on both sides who will help whoever they can without regard to who they are. Your choice to see this as simply cheap Israeli propaganda says something unpleasant about you.

Paul M

this little clip came out of the blue, was posted by Gene on pure fancy on HP (out of character with the vitriol for Israel the past days)

OK. Sorry. I am terribly sorry

this little clip came out of the blue, was posted by Gene on pure fancy on HP (out of character with the vitriol for Israel the past days)

spgb gray, I believe if you check the archives, you’ll find that my “vitriol” has never been aimed at the ordinary people of Gaza.

Mod

they were looking after the kids heart, not performing a brain transplant. Of course the kid can learn something; I will be sending an issue of the Socialist Standard. (If nothing else, it will be right up Palestinians allies…soft, absorbant.)

That kid may well be viewed as someone to be killed by the IDF in 20 years time. Don’t soft soap, eh?

The point is to achieve a society where there is no such hate, no such terrorisms and wars before he is 20

Gene

my apologies. You are indeed not as bloodlustful and psychotic as Maven.

spgb gray,

do your self a favour and learn that human actions or responses are not robotic or predetermined, sure enough conflict does brutalise people but the OUTCOMES are not predictable.

as the Troubles in the Six Counties have shown, instead of conflict automatically meaning that people are DRAWN to it, people are often revulsed by constant armed struggle which achieves nothing but bloodshed and the further brutalisation of societies.

So we can’t predict how this child will respond, thus you might do well to re-consider your facile comment?

Gene,

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. It just goes to show, that politics aside, people can forge good, caring and respectful relations across divides.

May The Holy One, Blessed Is He, send Jafar a complete recovery, and may he live a long and peaceful life.

Mod

the little iddy will be a socialist (perhaps). It will get on well with Israelis (perhaps). It will….

Shut up Mod. Gene is trying to get us weepy (supportive of zionist violence) by a disgusting posting, video, of a sick baby.

What a vile tack.

Sorry…

meaning: the kid is being cared for is real enough but being used as a Zionist piece of propaganda. (THINK OF THE CHILDREN!)

spgb,

Someone responding to an act of kindness, to an act of humanity, with venomous cynical hatred, is a very good example of vileness.

Recognise the good, and don’t be so focused on negativity, it only demeans you.

Shut up Mod. Gene is trying to get us weepy (supportive of zionist violence) by a disgusting posting, video, of a sick baby.

I’m sorry you think that’s what I’m doing. I’m trying to show that after the violence, it may be possible for Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace and cooperation. I take it as a sign of hope that despite it all, neither the Israeli doctors nor the Palestinian doctor and grandmother appear to hate each other.

Gene

after the violence…..

Key words

In 20 years time, that little biddy might very well want to shoot missles at Israel because its parents are dead

Are the boy’s parents dead?

It’s a hypothetical Mark T.

(Logical fally from Nick ex SA a coming, I guess.)

Anyhoo, I am off to see NFL. Opponents of US foreign policy do, as has been argued on HP, OBVIOUSLY hate US culture and Americans….

** logical fallacy.

apologies

Well I suppose if the baby might consider murdering complete strangers in 20 years time because its parents might have been killed by that date, then your point is…

No, I don’t get it.

Compare with the everyday ebb and flow of life in a Gaza hospital:

Armed Hamas militants in civilian clothes roamed the halls. Asked their function, they said it was to provide security. But there was internal bloodletting under way. In the fourth-floor orthopaedic section, a woman in her late 20s asked a militant to let her see Saleh Hajoj, her 32-year-old husband. She was turned away and left the hospital. Fifteen minutes later, Mr. Hajoj was carried out by young men pretending to transfer him to another ward. As he lay on the stretcher, he was shot in the left side of the head. Mr. Hajoj, like five others killed at the hospital this way in 24 hours, [my emphasis] was accused of collaboration with Israel. He had been in the central prison awaiting trial by Hamas judges; when Israel destroyed the prison on Sunday he and the others were transferred to the hospital. But their trials were short-circuited…

Lets us hope Arabs and Israelis can work together in future to save the lives of children bombed by Israel.

Mike

“Why do Palestinians have such poor access to heath services that they rely on the mercy of Israeli charities for things like standard heart treatments?”

No idea. Its not like theyve been occupied or blockaded or anything.

Passing thru - wow Mad Mel what a balanced unbiased commentator

Read this from the Spectator. Possible the only decent article theyve written on the conflict

The Reek of Injustice
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_/ai_n9257145

Hi Azad!

It is a glimmer of hope and its great to see. One hopes that as he grows up he can successfully navigate the perils of extremist Israeli nationalism on one side, and Islamism on the other.

That kid may well be viewed as someone to be killed by the IDF in 20 years time.

In the meantime, since he is only two weeks old, let’s give him - and others - the benefit of the doubt. If he grows up to be a terrorist, shoot him, by all means. But perhaps he will grow up to perceive the humanity of Israelis, even in a time of war, and of the Palestinians who co-operate with them, rather than with the nihilistic tyrants of Hamas.

Who is it, in any case, who really exploits children? Hamas have strapped bombs to retarded children and placed “militants” near schools, universities and mosques. Terrorist leaders, such as Yassin, have surrounded themselves with children, using them as human shields. And then there was the Al Dura case of fauxtography.

Yes, Israel is using this for propaganda, but, propaganda or not, it is true. What can Hamas come up with that is comparable? What examples are there of Hamas devoting time and energy to save Israelis?

What examples are there of Hamas devoting time and energy to save Israelis?

Probably not many. However, at any rate, its difficult to set up a ‘controlled experiment’ as it were, because the standards of infrastructure are so different, and Israelis generally have easier access to better facilities anyway, meaning they are less likely to be in position when they need such help.

Israelis generally have easier access to better facilities anyway, meaning they are less likely to be in position when they need such help.

Double standard, as usual. A “help” would be not lobbing rockets, not preaching genocide in their “schools” and “universities”. And they could help themselves by abandoning Islam and using condoms.

OP

I was not commenting on the various reasons for poorer health care in Gaza, some going back a long way, way before Hamas came to power - notwithstanding any deleterious Hamas policies, or any issues related to religion. I am just saying that as things stand now, its rather difficult have a ‘controlled experiment’ as it were, as the situations are very different.

Mama Mia here I go again, my my, I believe in angels something good in everyone!

What examples are there of Hamas devoting time and energy to save Israelis?

Probably not many. However, at any rate, its difficult to set up a ‘controlled experiment’ as it were, because the standards of infrastructure are so different, and Israelis generally have easier access to better facilities anyway, meaning they are less likely to be in position when they need such help.

Benjamin-
They are in a position to demonstrate it - they have Gilad Shalit hostage (and not allowed to be seen by the Red Cross, something Israel hasn’t stooped to btw).
Hezbollah had some prisoners too - they came back in boxes if you recall so I guess they failed their test. Its up to Hamas to demonstrate what they are made of in this situation.

Hezbollah had some prisoners too - they came back in boxes if you recall so I guess they failed their test.

Well, absolutely.

OP

it is truly to be desired that the little kid will grow into a strapping young man who gets on well with fellow Palestinians, Israelis and humans everywhere.

That requires a seismic change in attitudes though. On both parts.

Hopefully with the grace of God this child will grow up to be a healthy, productive member of the global society. It wont be because of socialism, because that doesnt work spgb gray. We have all kinds of equal access and equal opportunity what we dont have, and what you spgb gray profess “socialism will produce”, is equal outcome.

What chance is there of this child growing up with a chance, if Hamas is not eradicated. The answer is none.

Let us not forget, that after the 9/11 attacks, the young son of a muslim woman who was rescued from one of the towers by the NYPD went to Afghanistan and joined al qaida.

And if this child grows up to be a murderous terrorist?
Hamas will be proud. They will publish this old photograph again, to show how irrepressible is the visceral hatred of the true soldier of allah.

So while I hope for the best, I prepare for the worst.