Harry’s Place

Is there a website or other online info for this?

Barad Mihashamayim will be there.

FYI Hamas terrorists using their own kids as human shields:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OefgMtXOc1M

Model citizens!

More info required, please.

Inb4 ["in before"] the demo is denounced by Flanker and HB and Calum and TheIrie and resistor and mocked by Benji

Oh god I wonder which of the people I mentioned will denounce this demo are banned.

If you mention a banned posted it goes in moderation (and never gets out)

That You Tube video should be circulated around the world if true. Shows what the Israelis are up against - will this be shown on BBC or Al J?

The You tube Video shows sweet FA.

what’s amazing is the way Hammas brutally handles their own kids as if they were sacks of potatos. Hard to believe such depravity even from such scum.

unfortunately a demo for peace for both side will be hi jacked by the far left/muslim nutters who think peace is a dirty word.however it should be applauded and is great idea

There is one at the Israeli embassy tonight, too. Details on my name link.

Hamas have done some terrible things, but do you not think that posting ambiguous footage like that and attributing certain motives to the people in it is counter-productive? It looks bad, but in both cases the child could be the gunman’s own - they could be desperately trying to get them to safety.

I’m not saying they are, but I don’t think you can categorically say they’re not.

At a time when lunatic accusations are flying around on both sides, doesn’t it behoove serious commentators well to ensure that they base any denunciations on as close to solid fact as they can?

I’ve seen more damning videos. Setting up rpgs while adolescent boys in civilian clothes danced around them as targets, similarly I’ve seen pictures of gunmen surrounded by adolescents.

Could we please have more info about this - who is organising it etc.

cheers

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I await Harry’s Place reporting the 500 in attendance as 12,000

MWHAHAHAHaHahahaha. Oh wait this is serious?

You will seriously march under “End Hamas Terror” when Hamas have killed a handful of people and Israel has killed half a thousand (not to mention the blockade which has killed many more)?

March under “End the Terror on Both sides” (as Tatchell did) and then _maybe_ people will start, to begin, to consider, to even think of joking that Zionists are peaceful.

Until then, this blog and voices like it will continue to rant and rave and be seen as nationalist war mongering dogma. Harry’s Place reminds me of radio signals sent out by war leaders, when it is clear that their side has already lost the war.

“We will win”
“We are right”
“Everyone who disagrees is a communist, terrorist, muslim, fascist.”
“Victory to the Israeli state and its allies”

You are only a pretentious use of language away from being fanatics. And PHDs and MAs don’t make a murderer any less a murderer.

Down with Zionist and Islamic terrorism. To those who support the killing of civilians as neccesary collateral or deseriable - for you there will be no escape from the dustbin of history. In you go.

To those who support the killing of civilians as neccesary collateral or deseriable - for you there will be no escape from the dustbin of history.

There’s no escape for anyone. We all die and turn to dust. In the meantime, the trolls on this site are loving this war, aren’t they. A good 3 or 4 posts a day for them to fulminate on. I bet you can’t believe your luck, finally an excuse to sit all day hunched over a keyboard ranting at some people who run a blog.

Israel has killed half a thousand

Don’t you mean Israel has killed 0.00005% of a BILLION! A BILLION I tell you!

Harry’s Place reminds me of radio signals sent out by war leaders, when it is clear that their side has already lost the war.

If Israel is losing why are the usual bunch of anti-Zionists and Jew-haters clamouring for a cease-fire?

Only in the middle east is being bombed the crap out of described as a victory…

joking that Zionists are peaceful

I guess permanently being on a war-footing because your neighbours have a history of attacking you and promising your destruction hardens you somewhat, wouldn’t you say?

Golda said:”unfortunately a demo for peace for both side will be hi jacked by the far left/muslim nutters who think peace is a dirty word.however it should be applauded and is great idea”

I don’t think that this one will. They may well assemble to harrange and otherwise attack the march.

Just for once though, how about a Jewish riot? Peaceful, passive Jews (unelected Board of Deputies take note) making logical, cogent arguments in support of Israel or against clerical fascists and their cheerleaders achieve very little as far as I can see.

If I have learn one thing from the Islamic nutters, it is that threats of violence really do gain access to the higher echelons of power and if not a veto on foreign policy at least a place at the table to comment. The entire media, political body and public (in public) seems to have moderated its speech accordingly. Indeed the main upshot of the tube bombings was legislation more or less gagging criticism of Islam…wierd.

No, I am not really saying riot. I can hardly imagine a Jewish or “decent” riot in the UK actually. I will go on Sunday expecting nothing to happen as a result, except to be eyeballed by a few gobshites in keffiyehs.

I’m sure Greg that if I walked to your home, kicked the front door in and claimed control of your Kitchen, giving myself exclusive right of ownership and rule, preventing anyone from entering or exiting the kitchen - and claimed that I was allowed to do this because of a fictional book written over 2000 years ago - you and your family would probably resist this, perhaps violently if necessary.

Nations that suddenly invent themselves, bringing in “indigenous people” from totally other places, is an example of ‘holy exodus’ to religious nutcases like yourself, it is called COLONIALISM to everyone else (See America/Australia). Surely the Palestinian people have as much a “right to defend themselves” as you do?

Also the Palestinians have not won the war by being bombed. Israel has lost its war by making the Palestinians angrier than ever before. The bombing could create another Intifada and you all know it. Surely even Zionists have no interest in this war? Israel’s bombing is fuelling more anti-zionism than anything else.

If I were truly Machiavellian I would not call for a ceasefire, every bomb you drop will be sent back at you several thousand times over, I call for a ceasefire to save lives in the now (both in Israel and Gaza).

Be clear of one thing, Zionism is more damaged than anything else in this war.

I say so what? Make Gaza the Shiny Happy Free Democratic Islamic People’s Republic of Hamas and let it implode on its own. It’s already a failed state and it always will be. Failure was their goal. Anarchy was their tactic. Good job. Let them declare independence, build a wall between it and Israel. Let them hammer out whatever deal they can with Egypt. And, for the sake of proportionality, for every rocket that falls on Israel, lob a missile back, at random into Gaza city. Give them a timetable at which point Israel will cut all the connections to their infrastructure; for electricity, gas, sewer, water and such. Don’t blockade their shoreline, just control the edge of it that borders Israel.

FC: ‘…if I walked to your home, kicked the front door in and claimed control of your Kitchen, giving myself exclusive right of ownership and rule, preventing anyone from entering or exiting the kitchen…’ When did that happen, exactly? I have never read about it or seen any footage of Jews marching into Palestine and kicking out the inhabitants. I have read about the creation of the state of Israel, the offer of a parallel Palestinian state and the Arab declaration of war, though. Maybe you should too.

Count me in for Sunday.

So the majority of the citizens of the state of Israel had always lived there? The majority did not come from overseas?

If I walked into your kitchen and took control over the utilities and floor and offered you the ceiling, would you in anyway accept this?

I think that a dignified show of support for Israel coupled with a demand that Hamas stop committing war crimes hopefully would be a positive thing. A method of countering the lies and distortions from the Pro Hamas / Pro Pal left is vitally needed and this demonstration (and other resources such as blogs) should be seen as part of that.

Barads comment about a Jewish riot is quite correct. Although I don’t advocate violence I am ashamed of my own Govt who seem to have caved in in the face of Islamist violence and threats of violence. This is detrimental not just to society as a whole but to moderate and integrated Muslims as well.

FC, you are talking nonsense. Trying picking up a history book or two. As for Zionism being more damaged than anything else, that’s your wishful thinking. Kicking the crap out of Hamas is more, not less, likely to bring them to the negotiating table and recognising the state of Israel. It’s a shame they hadn’t already done so, so all this bloodshed could have been avoided, isn’t it?

Your utterly insane.

I’m sure Greg that if I walked to your home, kicked the front door in and claimed control of your Kitchen, giving myself exclusive right of ownership and rule, preventing anyone from entering or exiting the kitchen - and claimed that I was allowed to do this because of a fictional book written over 2000 years ago

Well at least that view is clear, and mainstream. In essence it’s Hamas - Israel has no right to exist and is a kosher motive for firing rockets into ‘the Zionist entity’.

If that more were as honest.

No doubt our poster is a strong supporter of the rather considerably oppressed Egyptian Coptic Christians indulging in terrorism against the Egyptian state.

FC,

It was our kitchen originally. And we fitted the Pogenpohl units to replace the MFI shite that was in there since your mates from down the road took to squatting in it over many years, after the Italians moved out. Be happy with the ceiling on offer, as most of the neighbours in the same circumstances would have put you down the waste disposal unit by now…

I am once again reminded of the words of the Zionist thinker Mozzinsky, sometimes known as the Russian Ruffian, who wrote in 1887: “a rush and a push and the land we stand on is ours-it has been before so why can’t it be now?”

See you on Sunday-peace! Don’t forget your keffiyeh, kuffar.

Barad

FC: What kitchen? Who walked into it? There was a large Jewish population already there when the state of Israel was created. The territory was not taken from anyone. It belonged to Turkey, and became a British mandate after WWI. Read some history.

I don’t wear a keffiyeh, as I am a white European and don’t find them fashionable.

I am strongly opposed to the Egytpian state (led by a 99.9% dictator Hosni Mubarak). I think that the strike actions in Malhalla are far more interesting than the struggle you name.

But let’s be clear at the matter of this. Israel is not your country. It is not the Palestinean’s country. It is land, land is a common treasury that belongs for all to enjoy and none to rule. That is the basis of democracy and freedom. You instead are mouthing nationalist views, much like Hitler, Pinochet, Stalin, Bush, Nasser, the BNP and so on.

“Only my people.” “Only our land.” “Me. Me. Me” That is your chorus and it is sickening.

One state solution - land for all people who wish to live there. Neither a Palistinean nor Israeli state, but a shared state. No racial blockades and borders. That is my chorus, you either accept it now or continue to swallow more Qassam rockets and bomb more children in response.

There was a large Jewish population already there when the state of Israel was created.

There is a large arab population in some parts of London. If they were to create arab republics in London you would condemn this, as any sane person codemns the creation of Israel.

There was a large Jewish population already there when the state of Israel was created.

There is a large arab population in some parts of London. If they were to create mini arab republics in London you would condemn this, as any sane person condemns the creation of Israel.

NicholeS said:”There was a large Jewish population already there when the state of Israel was created.”

This a historical fact that the antizionist/antisemitic left fail to grasp probably becuase it doesn’t exactly fit in with the programming. They cannot deal with it so they ignore it.

FC A one state solution would just end up in bloodbath of Jews. A one state solution is quite frankly a non starter.

FC the comparison with Arab (and other minority communities) and the State of Israel is facile. Israel is a legitimate nation recognised by others. A breakaway enclave of one particular minority would be just that - a breakaway enclave.

“It is land, land is a common treasury that belongs for all to enjoy and none to rule.”

Er, right, whatever you say. Like where in the World does this happen for example? This is an anarchist position, right?

Either way, it does sound like you are not quite on message about the Calipahate, one unelected Muslim ruler, imposition of Sharia, recovery of “lost” Muslim lands (anywhere previously and temporarily conquered or settled by Muslims) in Israel, Balkans et al then the US and rest of the World. Be Muslim, be Dhimmi or be dead…hooray for useful idiots!

By the way, where in the Hamas Charter does it say they want a multi-ethnic, secular, democratic state? I could only find the bits about killing the World-controlling Jews and the other bits ripped off from the Protocols…

As Trundle says, a one state solution is code for “kill the Jews in Israel and get a religious, Palestinian state run by the Muslim Brotherhood instead.” No sale habibi.

There is a large arab population in some parts of London. If they were to create mini arab republics in London you would condemn this, as any sane person condemns the creation of Israel.

You tool. Perhaps you’d like to compile a list of “sane” countries that refuse to recognise Israel, and compare it with the insane ones that do. And then fuck off to one of the sane ones.

From a Soldier’s mother

The Images they Show…
There are images that break your heart. The news is filled with them today and they can easily sway you to think that all of the situation in the Middle East comes down to a picture. How horrible, truly tragic, unacceptable and wrong it is to have a child die.

It is so horrible, sometimes you forget to look behind the picture. It’s so simple, really. A child should be able to go to school and be safe. I last spoke to my son days ago and in the background I could hear the sound of explosions. Through the phone, dozens of kilometers away from me, and quite a distance from Elie, I could hear another unit firing. Can you imagine how loud that would be up close?

Yesterday, mortars were fired FROM the school In Jebalya. This was a direct and intentional attack on Israel, on Israel’s soldiers and population. Mortars are explosions. They are loud. You can’t pretend you didn’t hear them. Many months ago, I went to a ceremony on a base where Elie had completed his basic training. Part of the ceremony included Elie’s group showing their parents what they had learned. After the awards and the talking, some of the soldiers ran to the armored personnel vehicles, while others, including Elie sat on the ground and watched. An officer came near me, as I stood watching with my youngest daughter. He told me to sit down with the girl “on your lap.” So, we sat down, as the soldiers were doing. As another officer was explaining to the crowd about the types of explosives that would be fired, where they would be targeting (the hill a few kilometers in the distance), etc. I saw the soldiers stick their fingers in their ears.

I thought to myself - they’ve been doing this - they know. So I told my daughter to do the same…quickly. She did, and so did I. Except - then I couldn’t hear the explanation and so I uncovered my ears. Now, I’ve lived in Israel more than 15 years, but there is still sometimes a delay factor in my Hebrew comprehension. Now they are going to fire…took me too long and so, I heard and felt the BOOM as the cannons fired.

Everyone in that building yesterday KNEW that the school was being used as a launching ground…and yet, apparently not one of those thought it would be a smart thing to leave. That seems strange to me, unnatural. I was once in Jerusalem, walking with by two daughters when something “exploded” ahead of me. Everyone around me stopped, as I did. It was a bus hitting something that went flying in the air and crashed loudly into something else. People began to move and yet I stood there, unsure what to do. It should be both human instinct and parental instinct to move away from danger.

And the people who now mourn the “innocents” who died in yesterday’s attack on the United Nations school don’t question why people remained in the building from which these weapons were fired. They don’t question that this defies human instinct and certainly what should have been every parent’s first reaction. The people in the school died for three simple reasons:

1. Palestinians decided to use the United Nations school as a launching base to attack innocent civilians. This wasn’t the first time they had used the school. Months ago, Israel filed a formal complaint to the United Nations. Clearly, nothing was done to stop this abuse and so we come to reason # 2.

2. The United Nations did not stop the Palestinians from using their area. One might argue that they could not stop them - and the answer, the simple answer was that they should then have made it clear, publicly, that they could not offer a place of refuge in a firing range. They should not have allowed families to take refuge in such a place. And that brings me to # 3.

3. The families and parents. I heard a father mourning the death of his son. He blames the Israeli government, and I blame him. “Are you insane?” I want to ask him. “How could you allow your son to be near mortars being fired? What did you think Israel was going to do?” Why didn’t you take your son? Why didn’t you behave responsibly? It was YOUR job to protect him; to love him enough to keep him safe and it doesn’t take a genious to figure out leaving your son in a building from which mortars are being fired in the middle of a war is negligent, stupid, insane, and so so wrong. How could Israel have known that there were people in the building? All they could know is that mortars were being fired from that location. My son is stationed far from the cities. Why? Because if he is a target, we don’t want civilians nearby. We do not hide in hospitals, in schools, in homes. Why, why do the Palestinians? And if they do, why, why does the world blame Israel?

People will ask how it is that I don’t blame Israel and the answer is simple. Fire came from that building. Call it what you want - a school, a refuge, a mosque, a home…if you shoot at an enemy…common sense would say the enemy will shoot back. Do it from inside a mosque, and the mosque becomes a target. Do it from inside a school, and the school becomes a target. Do it from behind your citizens and families, and you show the true nature of your society, your culture, your cause.

So, beyond the tragic pictures from yesterday, I offer a deeper image of what life is like in the Middle East. There are the tragic pictures - but please take a moment to look beyond…and below.

These are the images they show:
[INJURED PGAZAN CHILDREN]

These are the images they DON’T show:

[GAZAN CHILDREN DRESSED AS SUICIDE BOMBERS AND ARMED TERRORISTS]
And what they forget to tell you - is the people who allowed these many pictures to happen, the ones who posed these children with guns, painted their hands with “blood” and strapped “explosive belts” to their bodies, the ones who raise them to believe death should be attained for the glory of God and the more Jews and heathens and infidels you take with you, the higher your place in Heaven - they are the ones responsible for the horror that happened yesterday because they are the ones who put hundreds of people into a place that should have been a sanctuary and then they turned it into a launching ground.

It is land, land is a common treasury that belongs for all to enjoy and none to rule. That is the basis of democracy and freedom.

You must be a student; clearly living in the real world has never troubled you to date.

Now with correct tagging!

It is land, land is a common treasury that belongs for all to enjoy and none to rule. That is the basis of democracy and freedom.

Oh how we laughed. For the record, the basis of democracy is one person one vote. Blah blah blah ‘that belongs for all to enjoy’ sounds like communism, and didn’t that end well. ‘None to rule’, yep, a failed state, that’s just what the world needs more of.

You must be a student; clearly living in the real world has never troubled you to date.

Greg said:”You must be a student; clearly living in the real world has never troubled you to date.”

However probably not a student of history.

Media studies perhaps? Travel agency?

Golf course management?

My money is on Sociology or anything at SOAS.

Greg said:”SOAS”

Hmmm you’ve got a point there. Especially judging by the parroting of the Islamist / Deadhead Socialist line on Israel / Palestine

The title of this post is almost Orwellian. Quite bizarre.

Hey, I study at SOAS and… oh wait, you’re right, I’m surrounded by morons.

Rob G said:”Hey, I study at SOAS and… oh wait, you’re right, I’m surrounded by morons.”

I wasn’t over criticising SOAS but I have heard its not a pleasant place to study if you refuse to follow the Islamist line on Israel due to a surfeit of nutters.

TM: “I wasn’t over criticising SOAS but I have heard its not a pleasant place to study if you refuse to follow the Islamist line on Israel due to a surfeit of nutters.”

Yeah, it is pretty infuriating. Luckily not many of the rabid Respect/ SWP supporters choose my subjects, and we do have a very professional and impressive Israel society (which was only allowed to be set up about 4 years ago!) so at least there isn’t something in the coffee that turns us all into antisemitic drones ;)

Peace isn’t going to happen unless people on the rally call for the end of the blockade, targetted assassinations and negotiations with Hamas. Oh and stop bombing the fuck out of Gaza would also help. Until then, this is just a lame rally.

Hundal the Anti-Semitic Cunt showing his true colours once again. Israel do this, Israel do that. But for Hamas? Nothing,/i>.

you tool. Perhaps you’d like to compile a list of “sane” countries that refuse to recognise Israel, and compare it with the insane ones that do. And then fuck off to one of the sane ones.

What banal and Orwellian logic. “If governments support it then it is so.” How many governments recognised apartheid South Africa, colonial conquests and states, the Stalinist Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, etc.

Simply acknlowedging that Israel exists doesn’t mean it deserves to, nor that it acts as a reponsible nation. More importantly government’s legislation does not equal common morality, you utter simpleton. No wonder you suckle so tightly to the milk of war and nationalism. You base your reality on what you are told, not what you hear or see and concur. You can be told whatever is more convient for those doing the telling:

So war on Gaza is really peace on Palstineans.

Those who say “share land that is contested by different peoples” are genocidal. Those who comit genocide are sharing land.

Anti-zionists are anti-semetic. Pro-zionists are pro-arab.

This is the very logic of a state tool. This is the logic of a murderer, the logic of those who aided and comitted genocide, who were told to do by others. To you, slavery is freedom, occupation is liberation, starvation is education.

The poverty of thinking in the Zionist mind… It’s almost enough to make you care.

Until then, this blog and voices like it will continue to rant and rave and be seen as nationalist war mongering dogma. Harry’s Place reminds me of radio signals sent out by war leaders, when it is clear that their side has already lost the war.

Golly.

I think that you have made a mistake.

You shud be on CI(F).

They have huge number of irrational posters there.

So what you’re saying is “no you’re irrational”. Great moral and ideological riposte there.

Suddenly it makes sense, bombing universities is freedom. Boycotting universities is fascism. Perfectly “RATIONAL”.

Bombing universities where terrorist bomb technology is perfected makes perfect sense to me. Boycotting universities where medical advances are made (for example) does not. Can you guess which example is Israeli and which is Palestinian, you cuddly little dhimmi?

FC
7 January 2009, 2:33 pm

There was a large Jewish population already there when the state of Israel was created.

There is a large arab population in some parts of London. If they were to create mini arab republics in London you would condemn this, as any sane person condemns the creation of Israel.

Really, FC? But where Israel has always had a Jewish population despite the Roman occupation, and features numerous sites holy to Judaism, the Arabs don’t have much of a claim to London, other than as migrants — some of whom want to live in a democratic country as a citizen and others who seek to turn it into another outpost of the Ummah under Shariah.

Iraq has always had a Kurdish population. They have also lived there for thousands of years. It doesn’t give the Kurds the right to claim dominance and kick everyone else out.

The Jews in Palestine also had no right to steal that land away. It’s very clear what is acceptable though, the acceptance of secular, multi-ethnic and free lands of Palestine/Israel.

Palestine/Israel is a ‘holy’ land to both the Jews and to Muslims. Until these religions fade away you have to accept sharing. It’s a reality you will face sooner or later, but you will have to face it in your lifetime, believe me. This recent foray of violence, on both sides, but particularly on the Israeli side and particularly catalyzed because of the medieval siege on Gaza, is but another nail in Zionism’s coffin.

FC you’re talking bubbas. The majority of the land that was formerly mandate Palestine was purchased by Jews. Second if the Jews ‘kicked everyone else out’ they didn’t do a very good job of it hence the million or so Israeli Arabs. Third take a look at Kosovo - another a state that has just been recognised by the international community and populated almost exclusively by ethnic Albanians after a little light ethnic cleansing but I don’t hear many protests about that.

What Sunny points out is the bleeding obvious. The situation is almost darkly comic, in that its so absurd. A demo is called to implore Hamas to “end terror” in the middle of a war being waged inside Gaza by the Israelis (an aerial bombardment and land invasion).

I presume folk don’t just expect to Hamas to lay down their weapons and invite the Israelis in for a cup of tea? In a situation of war, the terror simply becomes another weapon to wage that war; the rockets are seen as a symbol of resistance by Hamas.

Of course, as has been proved, in a situation of relative peace, Hamas is capable of stopping all of its rocket and mortar attacks - which it did for a period four and a half months in 2008, as confirmed by the Israelis.

“I presume folk don’t just expect to Hamas to lay down their weapons and invite the Israelis in for a cup of tea? ”

Why not? That’s what you expect Israel to do, isn’t it?

“Hamas is capable of stopping all of its rocket and mortar attacks - which it did for a period four and a half months in 2008, as confirmed by the Israelis”

Of course it is “capable” of stopping rockets. It chose to continue shooting.

FC, and what is the factual history of violence of that anarchism again? Over a century of bomb-chucking, assassinations, riots, massacres of ficticious fifth columns, cheering the deaths of Jews and attacking embassies and policemen.

And ideologically? Labelling all nations as fascist and racist.

And you have the chutzpah to call anyone hypocritical? What a tight grip on reality you have.

Iain. Well said there. I can’t think of any positve achievement of anarchism. It is just bomb chucking and rioting for the sake of it. Thats not to say some aspects of anarchist thinking may have value but as a system for running society its not a good one.

Most anarchists I’ve met have been teenagers or wannabe teenagers wanking themselves blind over pictures of Che and fantasising about killing.

Er not that this is a Metropolitan blog but there is a rally in Manchester this Sunday too.

And Benjoid this may have escaped your omnisience but Hamas didn’t stop firing the rockets and mortars into Israel at all, nor did they stop sniping at workers both foreign and Israeli in the fields, or attacking the crossings or fuel dumps, or smuggling in weapons including inside EU food-aid bags, or training their children to kill, at all.

I notice that the civilians killed in the UN school and publically paraded yesterday (during the truce for aid when they fired three rockets off at Israel) were all wrapped up in Hamas flags. Why?

FC — I used to be a quite little supporter of Israel.A quite supporter who was critical of lot’s of things about Israel.And a believer in better things for the Palestinians. It is people like you who have turned me into an uber-Zionist.One day I might catch myself and realise that I am not even Jewish and go back to being a quite little supporter of Israel believing also in the possibility of better things for the Palestinians. But I will have to see an awful lot of the backs of people like you before that is going to happen.

can anyone put roughly the amount of people attending the demo 2morrow? is it going to be safe?