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“Joden aan het gas!” is an anti-Ajax chant.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/zijlijn/6131488/Van-Bommel-will-not-attend-Auschwitz-ceremony

This post is a clear example of bad faith.

Harry van Bommel can’t control the crowd that marches with him. The ones shouting “Jews to the gas chambers” are there at the demo, but not on Mr. van Bommel’s ticket when he runs for Parliament.

In Israel, however, a politician who has compared Arabs to monkeys and who has called them liars and thieves is on the same ticket as Benjamin Netanyahu, possibly the country’s next prime minister. Yet you don’t expect Mr. Netanyahu to quit the race because of the rotten apple on his list.

I have no doubt Harry van Bommel, once he heard the chants in his native tongue, turned to the crowd and scolded them. Right, Hasbara?

Or maybe not. Some things must not be said in the name of coalition politics.

“Joden aan het gas!” is an anti-Ajax chant.

Do Ajax have ‘history’ then, like Spurs?

According to Wiki he’s now ‘responsible for European and foreign affairs, development aid…’

Now, why doesn’t that surprise me?

“Do Ajax have ‘history’ then, like Spurs?”

Yes, Ajax fans fly Israeli flags -

http://wapedia.mobi/en/File:3070281519_5ab83a4dbb.jpg

That’s no excuse

How come I’ve never found myself marching with people who shout jews to the gas?

funny, that.

mind you to be fair he looks a right dick in that coat, scarf and haircut.

Someone on Slugger’s site mentioned Tom Hartley wearing his chain-of-office. If the above is true as well, is there any way to do them under respective electoral laws?

How come I’ve never found myself marching with people who shout jews to the gas?

I would hope it’s because you steer clear of such scum. Doesn’t mean they ain’t there.

Ajax has a sort of Amsterdam-jewish history.

Van Bommel defended himself, declaring his call was for a “peaceful” type of intifada - much like jihad refers to “inner moral struggle”.

Van Bommel must be part of an Israeli PR project.

This site is a lot like that march, only against Muslims of course, and then the editors claim they have an unmoderated comments policy (which is BS).

Ooh look! More left wing politicians walking side by side with Holocaust enthusiasts.

Another Nazi stooge.

Flanks: You really need to pause a few seconds before you start typing, pardner.

I could never be a Muslim, all that marching around the place and yelling. I’d get a chill in seconds flat.

I don’t need a few seconds mesquite. My intellectual skill at trolling derives from the fact that I already know what you are going to say before you even say it. All I do is give it a nudge.

If I was a woman or a gay I’d be feeling a little forlorn to see those that claim to defend me side with the verminous barbarians who consider me subhuman.

Of course, little do the left wing apologists realise that if there’s anyone the Islamists despise more than the westerners who oppose them, it’s the ones that support them.

Flanker, you used to be annoying. Now you’re just pathetic.

“Consultations.” Now there’s a euphemism.

Is anyone seriously expecting this MP to turn around and rebuke these folks for their excesses? What is wrong with you - I’m sure the memory of Theo van Gogh was sitting right there in his mind as a spectre of his immediate future if he did intervene…

On the JPost:

“Free Gaza activists turn back with engine troubles
A group of protesters, doctors and lawmakers abandoned a bid to deliver humanitarian aid to Gaza and returned to Cyprus on Monday after their boat experienced engine trouble, a Free Gaza spokeswoman said…”

Neglecting engines because of those endless committee meetings?

Mossad?

Indignity on the The SS Dignity.

“Neglecting engines because of those endless committee meetings?”

My experience with these types is that think they can maintain their engines with committee meetings.

Oniad, there’s intervention versus acquiescence, and there’s jumping in with both feet.

Maybe they are inspire by the fact that Nazi Newspapers are making a come back in Germany

Hitler returns to front page as Nazi era papers hit the streets
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article5505250.ece

The Vengful Zhid asks,

“Why can’t Jews be treated by like Muslims”

After the 9/11 terror attacks we were told that we must not condemn Islam and Muslims when we express our anger at the acts of terror. The government bent over backwards to call Islam a “religion of peace” and the media went so far as to embark on a multi-year, gratis public relations campaign to put a positive face on Islam and Muslims (see, e.g., the New York Times).

So I’m just waiting for all of these entities to condemn anyone who would say negative things about Jews in connection with protests against Israel.

I’m going to not hold my breath…

http://vengefulzhid.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-cant-jews-be-treated-like-muslims.htm

Alec,
Once the hate started he could have used his two feet to walk right out of the protest march, true?

I know a lot of us have said it before, but socialism really isn’t what it used to be, is it? I’m quite glad I’m not one these days.

“Flanker, you used to be annoying. Now you’re just pathetic.”

I can’t wait till I become dangerous.

I can’t wait till I become dangerous.

What’re you waiting for, cabron?

I can’t wait till I become dangerous.

You’ll need a brain cell for that Flanker.

* waits *

*waits*

This would perhaps merit sympathy.

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/01/417992.html

Unless you’ve read this

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/page.cfm?method=full&objectid=12498073

Hasbara Buster, poor Bommel to have someone like you on his side. He probably deserves it though.

Funny, you thinking that you defending someone makes them look better.

Oh, yes, Oniad. However, the van Gogh analogy suggests one of those good men intimidated into silence. As opposed to having stoked it up from the start.

Not that I’m calling him an antisemitic rabble-rouser, of course.

“Alle joden aan het gas” is indeed an anti-Ajax slogan, but it has long been used by pro-Palestinians in political situations, such as marches against Israel. The burgermeester (mayor) of Amsterdam, Job Cohen, has in the past forbidden those chanting such slogans and holding signs of this type from getting off trains taking them to Ajax matches.

I have heard “alle joden aan het gas” in some rather scary antisemitic demonstrations in Amsterdam, in one case involving an attack on the Hotel Krasnapolsky because it was “Jewish,” and the beating up of a passerby on his way to a job interview because he “looked Jewish.”

RE: I already know what you are going to say before you even say it.

Funny, I always think the same thing about Flanker’s drivel.

He was also criticised for doing nothing while marching in the midst of a group shouting “Hamas, Hamas, all the Jews to the gas” and other anti-Semitic chants.

At least he didn’t shout it himself. In the US, meanwhile, when a lady said to McCain “Obama is an Arab,” McCain replied “No, ma’am, he’s a decent family man.”

Freudian slips show white Christian people to be exactly as bigoted as the Muslim demonstrators. The operative Western value is, in this case, hypocrisy.

HasbaraBuster

Your example does the guy no credit and suggests that he is actually worse than McCain. McCain actually rebuked the woman for her bigotry, this guy kept silent and kept with the crowd. Great analogy HB…

On the contrary; McCain agreed with the woman that being an Arab was a bad thing!

Once Flanker becomes dangerous, can we have him put down?

Can you point that out HB? I seem to have missed that in the part you posted…

Lady: He’s an Arab.
McCain: No, ma’am, he’s a decent family man.

If McCain uses the word “No,” it follows that being an Arab is incompatible with being a decent family man.

Franco apologist HB can find a US or Israeli “equivalent” for every awful thing on his side. Even if it’s not an equivalent at all.

If McCain uses the word “No,” it follows that being an Arab is incompatible with being a decent family man.

No, he denied that. You need to study the theory of conversational implicature, a part of pragmatics. Perhaps begin with my fellow Brummie, Paul Grice:

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/grice/

In the speech act you mention, John McCain used the word “No” to deny the lady’s specific claim that Obama is an Arab; and then continued in the second part of his response to the lady’s unstated implicature that Obama, allegedly an “Arab”, is somehow not a decent chap - by saying that he is a decent chap. That is, McCain denied the lady’s unstated negative insinuation.

As Oniad put it, McCain rebuked the lady for her bigotry.

“If McCain uses the word “No,” it follows that being an Arab is incompatible with being a decent family man.”

No it doesn’t actually. It might just be an inadvertent non sequitur. It might also be the case that he correctly recognised that when the woman said “He’s an Arab” she meant to suggest that he was all the bad things that she associated with being an Arab, and he was just responding to that, and so spoke carelessly.

Also, it just is the case that we all occasionally end up saying things we don’t mean because we speak carelessly, change tack halfway through a sentence, get our words mixed up, etc. It’s actually pretty impressive how rarely politicians screw up in this way.

HB’s most desperate attempt to date to spin something something out of nothing.

Can we be sure that HB isn’t Rumpelstiltskin?

In the speech act you mention, John McCain used the word “No” to deny the lady’s specific claim that Obama is an Arab; and then continued in the second part of his response to the lady’s unstated implicature that Obama, allegedly an “Arab”, is somehow not a decent chap - by saying that he is a decent chap. That is, McCain denied the lady’s unstated negative insinuation.

Nice try, but my point holds.

McCain, as you say, denied the insinuation that Obama is not a decent guy. But he did not deny the implicature that Arabs are not decent. He didn’t say “No, ma’am; he’s not an Arab and in any event Arabs are decent people.”

And of course, he didn’t say the only acceptable thing in those circumstances: “Ma’am, it’s irrelevant if he’s an Arab or not.”

It might just be an inadvertent non sequitur. It might also be the case that he correctly recognised that when the woman said “He’s an Arab” she meant to suggest that he was all the bad things that she associated with being an Arab, and he was just responding to that, and so spoke carelessly.

McCain is an accomplished speaker. It’s not that he said something he didn’t think. It’s that he said something he thought but didn’t want to say. A Freudian slip, by another name.

“No, ma’am; he’s not an Arab and in any event Arabs are decent people.”

Not all of them. Perhaps that was the point he was making, and a very true one it is too.

Anyway, who cares what you think about American politics? Your own country is a basketcase where people were thrown out of airplanes for their views and had their children kidnapped. A country built on the hunting down and extirmination of its indigenous peoples.

Why don’t you take a break from Israel and Palestine and concentrate a bit on fixing your own messes? Nobody likes a nosy neighbor whose always poking holes in other people while ignoring the chaos in their own house.

So fuck right off now, there’s a good chap, and maybe see you in a year or so?

“If I was a woman or a gay I’d be feeling a little forlorn to see those that claim to defend me side with the verminous barbarians who consider me subhuman.”

Nah, we don’t do forlorn, we do so angry that our noses bleed. I entertain sadistic fantasies of how they should be tortured, terrified and humiliated.

Expat says:
“Nah, we don’t do forlorn, we do so angry that our noses bleed. I entertain sadistic fantasies of how they should be tortured, terrified and humiliated.”

HAHA that`s a good one.

On the Wikipedia page of the Dutch National Socialist Party there’s a list of leading members on the right hand side. The third name down is the Chair of the First Chamber Parliamentary Party. It’s not a very fortunate name to have.

Freudian slips show white Christian people to be exactly as bigoted as the Muslim demonstrators. The operative Western value is, in this case, hypocrisy.

Now of what possible fucking use would a freudian slip be to hate-filled, shameless yobs like Qaradawi?

Freudian slips become a moot point with mental-cases like him, you moron.

This politician should have left the march the very moment the islamist Jew-hatred emerged.

“It’s that he said something he thought but didn’t want to say.”

Well I don’t believe that. But, in any case, it isn’t the point. You said:

“If McCain uses the word “No,” *it follows* that being an Arab is incompatible with being a decent family man.”

It doesn’t *follow*. It’s not logically entailed (for the reason that both Jeff and I pointed out). And nor is it something you can demonstrate by mere assertion.

For you, HB, the most sensible strategy now would be a dignified retreat. :-)

He was also criticised for doing nothing while marching in the midst of a group shouting “Hamas, Hamas, all the Jews to the gas” and other anti-Semitic chants.

Senator Charles Schummer spoke at a pro-Israeli rally in New York City. There, demonstrators waved a banner that read:

ISLAM = CULT OF DEATH

See the video here (0:32):

http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2009/01/jewish-american-nut-zi-parade.html

Now my question is: why didn’t Sen. Schummer say a word?

And why doesn’t HP report on rallies where Islamophobia is on display?

Not *quite* the same as saying “Jews to the gas”, is it? I mean, one is saying that a belief system is a cult of death, the other is advocating genocide. Still, it’s quite disgusting IMO.

“On the Wikipedia page of the Dutch National Socialist Party there’s a list of leading members on the right hand side. The third name down is the Chair of the First Chamber Parliamentary Party. It’s not a very fortunate name to have.”

Heh, that is quite unfortunate.