“[K]ill them, down to the very last one”
Muslim Brotherhood preacher Sheikh Qaradawi– Ken Livingstone’s “honoured guest” and subject of a fawning Madeleine Bunting piece in The Guardian– calls for a second Holocaust against you-know-who. (Free registration required.)
A question for the Israel bashers: You claim to be anti-Zionist, not anti-Jewish. Aren’t Qaradawi’s poisonous words worth denouncing at least as strongly as Israel’s action in Gaza?
He means you folks too.
(Hat tip: Omri)
Shabba adds: If you don’t want to register with MEMRI just now then here is a sample of two parts of the ’sermon’.
First on a theme that appears to be popular among the British and Irish ‘peace’ movement:
Here in Qatar, we have a branch of Marks and Spencer, which regularly dedicates its Saturday revenue to Israel. We have a Starbucks, which serves coffee. They used to hand a sign on the doors of their shops: “We benefit our most important partner, which is Israel, we help in the education of students in Israel, we help build up the Israeli defense arsenal,” and so on. People go and drink their expensive coffee. Instead of paying 2 riyals for a cup of coffee, they pay 20 riyals. This Starbucks is Zionist. Why do we not teach the nation to make do with its own products, when possible, even if they are of lesser quality? This is the only way the nation will rise. My brothers, put the boycott against the nation’s enemies into action. Every riyal you pay turns into a bullet in the heart of your brothers in Gaza and in other Islamic countries.
And then the genocidal stuff:
Oh Allah, take your enemies, the enemies of Islam. Oh Allah, take the Jews, the treacherous aggressors. Oh Allah, take this profligate, cunning, arrogant band of people. Oh Allah, they have spread much tyranny and corruption in the land. Pour Your wrath upon them, oh our God. Lie in wait for them. Oh Allah, You annihilated the people of Thamoud at the hand of a tyrant, and You annihilated the people of ‘Aad with a fierce, icy gale. Oh Allah, You annihilated the people Thamoud at the hand of a tyrant, You annihilated the people of ‘Aad with a fierce, icy gale, and You destroyed the Pharaoh and his soldiers – oh Allah, take this oppressive, tyrannical band of people. Oh Allah, take this oppressive, Jewish, Zionist band of people. Oh Allah, do not spare a single one of them. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one.
He doesn’t mean it of course, it’s just rhetoric, playing to the base. Or maybe a reaction to Israel’s provocations. When he says kill them down to the very last one, he probably means return to the 1967 borders – for a two state solution. Yeah?
Comments
| 12 January 2009, 7:08 pm |
“You claim to be anti-Zionist, not anti-Jewish. Aren’t Qaradawi’s poisonous words worth denouncing at least as strongly as Israel’s action in Gaza?”
Of course they won’t. European gentiles are hoping that the Muslims will finish the job for them, so they won’t have to get their hands dirty with soot this time…
| 12 January 2009, 7:13 pm |
Posted without comment at PP. Let’s see the reaction of Chimp-Boy.
| 12 January 2009, 7:15 pm |
But, but, but it`s written:
Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant states the following:
“The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharqad tree would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).
Trees talk, rocks talk, the Sheikh rocks.
| 12 January 2009, 7:22 pm |
European gentiles are hoping that the Muslims will finish the job for them, so they won’t have to get their hands dirty with soot this time…Yonni Golden
You sure got it right. The rocking sheikh is the head of the “European Council for Fatwa and Research”.
They might have to raise money from Gazprom by floating shares.
| 12 January 2009, 7:23 pm |
Take an aspirin and lie down
Storm in a teacup, old boy
Hamas can be reasoned with, Israel is to blame for their violence
Folk
| 12 January 2009, 7:25 pm |
I want to see from the government a shortlist of prominent Muslim theologians, leaders and interlocutors, banned from entry into the UK as their prescence is deemed contrary to the public good.
This is an easily excercised power it is used against Louis Farakhan.
I want to see all those individuals starting with the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, who encouraged the process of engagement with islamists, named and shamed and fired.
I want to see a humble retraction and plea for forgivenss from Ken Livingstone and Madeleine Bunting.
Then after lunch I want black and white children to live in harmony and all world diseases to be stamped out.
No really in a democracy some of these things should be possible.
| 12 January 2009, 7:27 pm |
Please knock off the cracks about “European gentiles,” many of whom (including a lot of our commenters) are staunch supporters of Israel against its enemies.
| 12 January 2009, 7:29 pm |
PP Poster ‘SE’ in reponse to my posting:
“@Morgoth:
Fuck off back to Harry’s place and your homeland Israel you bloodthirsty Piece of shit.”
Charming.
There’s me thinking that the gable of the Orange Lodge my father belonged to when I was a lad had a five-pointed star on the end wall. It must obviously have been a six-pointed one.
| 12 January 2009, 7:30 pm |
I want to see from the government a shortlist of prominent Muslim theologians, leaders and interlocutors, banned from entry into the UK as their prescence is deemed contrary to the public good.
To the government’s credit, Qaradawi was barred a year or two ago from entering the UK.
| 12 January 2009, 7:30 pm |
Trees talk, rocks talk, the Sheikh rocks.
Actually, Shareef dont like it.
Fundamentally he cant take it.
| 12 January 2009, 7:32 pm |
Qaradawi strongly supports Palestinian attacks on Israeli targets. Qaradawi claims that hundreds of other Islamic scholars are of the same opinion.
Defending suicide bombings Qaradawi told BBC Newsnight that:
* “An Israeli woman is not like women in our societies, because she is a soldier.”
* “I consider this type of martyrdom operation as an evidence of God’s justice.”
* “Allah Almighty is just; through his infinite wisdom he has given the weak a weapon the strong do not have and that is their ability to turn their bodies into bombs as Palestinians do”.
| 12 January 2009, 7:35 pm |
Oops still had my Benji mocking handle on
Rock the Casbah, rock the Casbah!
| 12 January 2009, 7:41 pm |
Well, Gene, you are doing a very good job of conflating antisemitism with criticism of a country that has killed about 1000 Palestinians in Gaza, is defying a UN resolution to implement a ceasefire, whose representatives have come out with various provable lies, and whose current military engagement will, inevitably, fail. That’s about 1000 people dead as the price of failure.
British Foreign Secretary David Mililband – no antisemite him – notes that 250 of the dead could be children, and has just again called for a ceasefire and demanded all war crimes (Israel’s and Hamas’s) be investigated.
Its a strange Orwellian world we live in. Israel and the USA stress arms to Hamas as an issue, and Israel’s right to defend itself. However, any neutral observer will note – seeing the carnage inflicted by a country with the world’s 5th largest army, using the most powerful and hi-tech weaponry, on a tiny, virtually defenceless territory – may consider arms to Israel an issue.
As for rights to self defence, the Gaza people have none, and yet are regularly ravaged by Israel in a captive duck shoot. This time Israel ignored a Hamas offer to renew the ceasefire in December, coming off a four and a half month ceasefire that massively reduced rocket attacks, and achieved a total Hamas ceasefire. Meanwhile its increasingly clear that Israel has no intention of even beginning talks on the 67 borders and a two state solution; this is on the table the table from Fatah, and Hamas, and is urged by about 150 countries.
| 12 January 2009, 7:44 pm |
Benjamin,
Where did you read that Israel has the worlds 5th largest army?
| 12 January 2009, 7:46 pm |
Aren’t Qaradawi’s poisonous words worth denouncing at least as strongly as Israel’s action in Gaza?
One of the most absurd questions yet asked at HP. Let’s denounce poisonous words, fine. Now lets try to stop the slaughter in Gaza. Miliband is trying to – you’ll note he’s not spending his time denouncing the words of an irrelevant cleric.
| 12 January 2009, 7:48 pm |
After the preliminaries, Botros looked at the camera and gave a stern warning: “This episode is for adults only! I am going to discuss many things that make me blush for shame, so please: have the women and children leave the room.”
| 12 January 2009, 7:51 pm |
“This time Israel ignored a Hamas offer to renew the ceasefire in December”
So sayeth Gareth Porter, the far-left Khmer Rouge apologist. Why are you so ready to believe this blatant piece of anti-Israeli propaganda when it was Hamas who started firing missiles when the ceasefire came to an end?
| 12 January 2009, 7:51 pm |
Benji is finally passionate – but only when Israel defends itself.
He’s an odd person. I remember deciding I hated Benji when he laughed at the 7/7 bombing. But I suppose he’s not a hypocrite in that bombings of both Israel AND Britain don’t bother him in the slightest. Why bombing of Hamas in Gaza is a different story I don’t know or want to know really. It doesn’t matter to me why some moron on the internet can’t think clearly, why should it?
| 12 January 2009, 7:56 pm |
you’ll note he’s not spending his time denouncing the words of an irrelevant cleric.
Benjamin, predictably, is clueless about Qaradawi’s influence in the Sunni Islamic world.
| 12 January 2009, 7:56 pm |
“Meanwhile its increasingly clear that Israel has no intention of even beginning talks on the 67 borders and a two state solution; this is on the table the table from Fatah, and Hamas, and is urged by about 150 countries.”
Are you seriously saying that Hamas wants a two-state solution? Israel offered a two state solution at Camp David in 2000 and it was turned down by Fatah, let alone Hamas. In any case, Israel is already negotiating a two-state solution with Fatah, but this can’t be implemented while Hamas rules Gaza. Your misinformation knows no bounds.
| 12 January 2009, 7:59 pm |
| 12 January 2009, 7:59 pm |
Your misinformation knows no bounds.
Be fair. Benji only lies to himself about a few things (Hamas being one of them). He’s not as ignorant as the rest of HP’s stopper herd. He’s not Flanker or TheIrie.
| 12 January 2009, 8:05 pm |
Israel won’t negotiate a successful two state solution with Fatah. The best partner for peace is Hamas, not Fatah.
What is needed is a strong Israeli leader who leads Israel in talks with Hamas, as its offered a ceasefire on the 67 borders. Why? Well, precisely because Hamas are the scary, bad lot; precisely because of the murderous Covenant; precisely because it has weapons; precisely because of its blood soaked rhetoric.
The fact that Hamas does not ‘recognise’ Israel is a complete red herring (and has not stopped negotiations in the past).
Israel’s refusal to talk to Hamas indicates one of two things:
1. Israel is craven over Hamas’s rhetoric and Covenant, which is absurd, given the realities;
2. Israel simply does not want to talk about the 67 borders and all the rest of it, with possibly the best partner for peace. Fatah is compromised, corrupt, and loses elections. If Israel’s aim is simply to kick the ball in the long grass, Fatah is the best partner, because its more likely to fail.
Hamas is more disciplined and militant, is bloodier and nastier, and has considerable democratic legitimacy. They are therefore potentially the best partner for peace.
| 12 January 2009, 8:09 pm |
“Benjamin, predictably, is clueless about Qaradawi’s influence in the Sunni Islamic world”
could you add something to your post about how influencial this guy is? I don’t know enough about him.
| 12 January 2009, 8:11 pm |
from Qaradawi’s wiki:
“Qaradawi issued a fatwa in recent months stating that the consumption of small amounts of alcohol (<0.5% concentration or 5/1000) was acceptable for Muslims.[57] The statement was made regarding energy drinks, where fermentation occurring naturally as part of the production process. This contrasts with the widespread view that consuming alcohol is totally forbidden to Muslims.”
I’m surprised he hasn’t gotten a fatwa put on his own head for this heresy.
| 12 January 2009, 8:14 pm |
The best partner for peace is Hamas, not Fatah.
Benji lives in a universe of one. What nonsense!
| 12 January 2009, 8:16 pm |
bloody booze hound
| 12 January 2009, 8:20 pm |
“could you add something to your post about how influencial this guy is? I don’t know enough about him.”
Some info: He`s got his own TV station, and makes millions selling videos, tapes on his sermons, his 2 daughters were studying in the UK.
| 12 January 2009, 8:22 pm |
Funny, Benji deciding that Hamas has “democratic legitimacy”
Benj, since you have this amazing ability to discern who has MORE democratic legitimacy among fascist monsters, tell me who had more “democratic legitimacy” Hitler, Pol Pot or Augusto Pinochet..
| 12 January 2009, 8:25 pm |
Israel is craven over Hamas’s rhetoric and Covenant, which is absurd, given the realities – Benjamin
Now you are insulting the “absurd” Koran? They kill you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
| 12 January 2009, 8:25 pm |
Cynical people can ignore the former, scum of the earth ignore the latter
And antisemites post lies about the latter.
| 12 January 2009, 8:26 pm |
Hitler, Pol Pot or Augusto Pinochet..Josh Scholar
Mao Tse Tung?
| 12 January 2009, 8:27 pm |
I want to see a humble retraction and plea for forgivenss from Ken Livingstone
It’s possible, yes, in the same way that it’s possible there is intelligent life on Neptune.
| 12 January 2009, 8:29 pm |
Its a strange Orwellian world we live in
Well, you most certainly do. You post the most outrageous antisemitic lies day in, day out, and perhaps you even believe them.
| 12 January 2009, 8:35 pm |
Benji is just a polarity responder. If X is a reasonable proposition or fact then Benji will post “NOT X”.
If proposition “Z” is one which will offend Jews then Benji will post it.
Benji will NEVER admit he is wrong. He will find an Islamists opinion and post it as a fact to try and answer real facts.
| 12 January 2009, 8:37 pm |
You know, how about if we try to avoid legitimizing genocide by recognizing and negotiating with militias who make genocide their core platform?
| 12 January 2009, 8:37 pm |
“An Israeli woman is not like women in our societies…”
Because she has the same rights as the men? Because she can wear what she wants, be educated, drive a car, have a job and speak her mind?
Thank fuck for that then.
| 12 January 2009, 8:38 pm |
Yes, I agree with Benjamin.
As a first step, Israel must dismantle ALL of the Jewish settlements from Gaza, and then see how things go with Hamas.
I predict that Hamas, in power, will moderate. It will be accountable to its electorate. It will be focused on delivering the tangible material improvement in life that its electorate demands.
Yes, I am sure that Israeli hardliners will argue that they’ll turn Gaza into a training camp for jihad, with no industry, and pretty much everybody dependant on UNWRA aid, and Hamas patronage. And, sure, I expect Fatah will come up with some crap about Hamas mounting a coup, and extinguishing all elements of civil society that are not part of Hamas.
But, believe me. These are just the sort of crappy excuses that the Israeli rejectionists will come up with. Watch Hamas in power and you will see me proven right.
Oh hang on … it is 2009 and not 2005!!!! Silly me!!!!
| 12 January 2009, 8:41 pm |
Silly me. I thought it was Hamas that refused to extend the ceasefire/truce, and then just to make their intentions plain, fired another shitload of rockets into Israeli territory. After all, that’s what all the mainstream media reported. I know know they and I were wrong, as I defer to Benji’s superior knowledge in these matters.
| 12 January 2009, 8:43 pm |
The fact that Hamas does not ‘recognise’ Israel is a complete red herring
You are a total and utter idiot if you think that. Recognition is the primary barrier against an everlasting existential threat to Israel and the first step on the road to normalised relations.
| 12 January 2009, 8:47 pm |
I predict that Hamas, in power, will moderate. It will be accountable to its electorate. It will be focused on delivering the tangible material improvement in life that its electorate demands.
Uhm no.
A party can be “accountable to its electorate” only if it allows elections and allows powerful opposition parties.
There’s no reason for Hamas to moderate.
| 12 January 2009, 8:57 pm |
“I predict that Hamas, in power, will moderate. It will be accountable to its electorate. It will be focused on delivering the tangible material improvement in life that its electorate demands.”
Couldn`t read the sheep entrails.
| 12 January 2009, 8:59 pm |
I must say I did agree with Benjamin a few years ago about Hamas, despite the’yre vulgar Covenant I figured that they could appear a stronger and less corrupt political alternative to Fatah, perhaps more able to bring their people with them.
Oh boy was I ever wrong. Ever since the Gaza pull out they have continued to display what can only be considered a negative selection pressure in the battle for Palestinian statehood.
Older and wiser I guess.
| 12 January 2009, 9:17 pm |
Older and wiser I guess. – Mattwales
You load sixteen tons, what do you get
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don’t you call me ’cause I can’t go
I owe my soul to the company store – Johnny Cash
| 12 January 2009, 9:17 pm |
Can anyone who’s been to Qatar confirm or deny the Starbucks claim? I find that difficult to believe as Qatar is not known to be full of Israeli sympathisers and they do not do that in England (do they even do it in places like Golders Green?). Also, any competition to Starbucks is unlikely to be of “lesser quality”, as anyone who’s ever drunk their “coffee” will know: it is not competitive even by western standards in price, and it tastes of nothing except the milk and whatever else you add to it. But among a certain type of rich Arab, there is a certain mentality that dictates that western products are the best and anything local is just a pale imitation (with things like Coke that is generally true; with coffee, it’s just ridiculous), and they’ll pay through the nose for stuff that’s considered low-class here.
| 12 January 2009, 10:30 pm |
Yusuf, the Starbucks claim is nonsense, although he’s got a point about the coffee
| 12 January 2009, 10:43 pm |
“And antisemites post lies about the latter.”
And the racist card is used by all.
| 12 January 2009, 11:03 pm |
Given the hysterical claims of genocide by Hamas supporters, Israel’s actions in the Gaza must be dealing some heavy blows to Hamas.
Note to noodleheads like Flanker, et al. If civilians are killed because gunmen are using them as human shields or their residences to fight from, it is the fault of the gunmen that the civilians are dead, not those who fire their weapons at the gunmen and hit the civilians instead.
| 12 January 2009, 11:48 pm |
Yep, Hundal predictably deleted any mention of Qawadari.
| 13 January 2009, 12:22 am |
“Oh Allah, take your enemies, the enemies of Islam. Oh Allah, take the Jews, the treacherous aggressors. Oh Allah, take this profligate, cunning, arrogant band of people. Oh Allah, they have spread much tyranny and corruption in the land. Pour Your wrath upon them, oh our God. Lie in wait for them. Oh Allah, You annihilated the people of Thamoud at the hand of a tyrant, and You annihilated the people of ‘Aad with a fierce, icy gale. Oh Allah, You annihilated the people Thamoud at the hand of a tyrant, You annihilated the people of ‘Aad with a fierce, icy gale, and You destroyed the Pharaoh and his soldiers – oh Allah, take this oppressive, tyrannical band of people. Oh Allah, take this oppressive, Jewish, Zionist band of people. Oh Allah, do not spare a single one of them. Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one.”
Sure this isn’t just a pastiche of the book of Joshua?
| 13 January 2009, 12:40 am |
Oh Allah, count their numbers, and kill them, down to the very last one.
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He must have been reading the Old Testament.
Deuteronomy 3: Defeat of Og King of Bashan
1 Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king of Bashan with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at Edrei.
2 The LORD said to me, “Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you with his whole army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who reigned in Heshbon.”
3 So the LORD our God also gave into our hands Og king of Bashan and all his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors.
4 At that time we took all his cities. There was not one of the sixty cities that we did not take from them—the whole region of Argob, Og’s kingdom in Bashan.
5 All these cities were fortified with high walls and with gates and bars, and there were also a great many unwalled villages.
6 We completely destroyed them, as we had done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city—men, women and children.
7 But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off for ourselves.
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Of course all of this is understandable in light of the fact that King Og was a member of the SWP.
| 13 January 2009, 2:37 am |
David T
As you know that is simply a caricature of what I say. If a Hamas negotiated state comes about, Hamas will only be one party in that state, as one stipulation is that it will be democratic – and Hamas will accept that. The situation as it stands now is that there is no unified state, and there is a Palestinian split. What is needed is unified wholly independent state. Will Hamas be extremist then? Maybe, but it is now, in a situation that favours extremism.
| 13 January 2009, 7:58 am |
Perhaps Penny and Been Banned could tell us when any Rabbi has broadcast to the Jews the stuff from the Old Testament as a modern strategy.
Perhaps they could indicate how many people would be following any Rabbi who did make such a broadcast.
Islam is still in the dark ages and believes this Koranic crap which is racist incitement to kill, and kill today and in the future. Its pure antisemitic filth.
| 13 January 2009, 9:10 am |
“If a Hamas negotiated state comes about, Hamas will only be one party in that state, as one stipulation is that it will be democratic – and Hamas will accept that. ”
And the evidence for this is good so far. Hamas have been markedly tolerant of opposition parties in the one place where they are in power so far, haven’t they Benjamin?
| 13 January 2009, 10:55 am |
Which only goes to show that people like your man Qaradwai, are not, I repeat not spiritual leaders, but just bloodthirsty warlords.
Those who live by the sword and all that…….
| 13 January 2009, 10:57 am |
Anyone notice how anyone interviewed in Gaza, has described the Israelis as “Jews”, “the Jews”, this has a terrible resonance of Nazi Germany.
“Aren’t Qaradawi’s poisonous words worth denouncing at least as strongly as Israel’s action in Gaza?”
How could you possibly compare an idiot with no power to one of the Top 10 most powerful military in the world? That is yesterday,today, and tomorrow killing women and children?
Cynical people can ignore the former, scum of the earth ignore the latter.