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When is he going to be arrested for incitement to terrorism?

This is all terribly depressing. Makes me want to just stick my head in the sand and ignore it all until it goes away.

dont be silly,that want happen here

There are no American tanks in Iraq.
There are no American tanks in Baghdad.
There are no American tanks in the presidential compound – it is intact and inviolate.

Good Ol’ “Boom Boom” I wondered where he had got to. He’s looking more demented than ever. He does let the cat outta the bag a little at 1.47 into his rant where he says “not that I believe in democracy and (porn?)” … and he magnanimously thanks the Court Jews. Meanwhile George smirks like a Cheshire cat.

Good New! Allahu Akbar! Good News!

When is he going to be arrested for incitement to terrorism?

In case you didnt hear the “Good News” Boom Boom is a terrorist. He is Hamas’ ambassador to the court of St James. Presumabley thats why he is so keen to take up residence in the Kensington Embassy once the mob sacks it. He’s already told Mrs Boom Boom to go to Colefax & Fowler and pick out the wallpaper.

Good News Indeed! Al Hamdullelah!

This was a Hamas Rally.

Fuck off was it. It was a Palestinian solidarity protest, the fact that some twat spoke about Hamas doesn’t make it a Hamas rally, anymore than those Orthodox Jews on Sunday calling for the end of a Israeli state make it there’s.

Leon, were the Orthodox Jews to whom you refer platform speakers?

There’s a difference between nutters who turn up uninvited, and those whom the organisers invite to speak, or who themselves are the organisers, don’t you think?

Leon – your point makes no sense. Presumably by Sunday you mean the “pro-Israel” rally. As such, I find it hard to believe that they would have invited someone to speak who is opposed to the existence of the State of Israel. Just what is it you are trying to say?

“Today we are all terrorists”.
it’s the end of the world. Israel: wipe them out!!! (Hamas, not the Palestinians)

The people who went must be very ashamed of being on a pro-terrror rally.

Leon, I appreciate not all, probably most protestors, didn’t actually support Hamas/Hizbollah/Al-Qeada – but a majority of the organisers and speakers did express their support. It’s great the Sunny took a sign opposing Hamas, but he was sadly in a very small minority.

I see George Galloway is in the background there, sharing a stage with a terrorist supporter yet again.

By the way, there is a a demo at the Iranian Embassy on Thursday night, opposing Iran’s arming and funding of Hamas. http://www.betar.co.uk/events/betar1231757606.php

Chas Newkey-Burden said:”The people who went must be very ashamed of being on a pro-terrror rally.”

I couldn’t agree more. However if you lower yourself in that cesspit of myopic middle class lefties and Israel haters Urban75 you would get a completely different picture you will find lots of nodding dogs going ‘noooo its definitely not a Hamas demo, its a freedom for palestine one…” Utterly disgusting to be honest. Nobody with more than half a brain could fail to miss the naked jew hatred underlying the pro Hamas demos.

what a repulsive little fascist

remind me again, why do people like Tariq Ali cream their pants over horrible people like this man, and why do the trendy left fail to see how odious these people are?

That bit where Tammimi says “this war is not between judaism and islam, is not between the moslems and the jews” is the most anti semitic, because it is just a way of Tamimi saying “jew” a lot.

wow, what a video.

Sums the whole thing up pretty nicely.

“Allah hu Akbar! Allah hu Akbar! Allah hu Akbar!”

You know, you must have to really hate jews to stand there cheering while this neaderthal whoops himself up into a frenzy.

mattG

Leon,

Naturei Karta are not ‘Orthodox Jews’. They are extreme right-wing and supremacist Messianic Jews and completely isolated from mainstream Orthodox Jewry in the UK and everywhere else.

It was verbally noted by many people that there was a large presence of the grey beards and Lubavitchers at the Pro-Israel rally in Manchester on Sunday which never used to be the case at these kind of rallies. I can also testify that many Reform Jews were there also and that Dr Bayfield expressed his own opinion and not that of Reform Jewry in his letter in Sundays Observer.

On that Danny Rich whom I’ve met and found I had have much in common (the merger should have gone ahead in the nineties if you ask me) is most definitely a Zionist of the secular Leftist persuasion and was speaking for his Guardian reading constituancy. Although I am sure that there are more than a few Liberal Jews who would take acception to his personal opinion on this too.

Specifically the second paragragh which called for an internationalising of the monitoring of the Gaza area given that Hamas has threatened to kill anyone trying to do that. I note Hamas have increased their executions of conspirators/collaborationists and their PA colleagues throughout the duratuion of this war. Amira Haas (hardly a gung-ho zionist) gives figures of between 40-80 people summarily executed buy Hamas in the last couple of weeks.

I beleive what we saw on the streets of London on Saturday partially illustrates the current situation. A lawless mob who would raze the Embassy to the ground given half a chance and engaged in vicious attacks and goading of the police and criminal damage to surrounding completely buildings. The police trying to keep the peace and protect us from mob-rule.

To complete the illustration put the wives and children of those police inside the Embassy and I wonder how they would act. The big lie of this conflict being peddled by the fascist-appeasing media is that the roles of the actors is reversable or actuality is reversed.

Also the biggest unasked questions on British TV has been deafening when PLO sorry PA spokespeople are on. How many of your guys did Hamas kill and are killing? Where did you go wrong in alowing these fascists to take over your country? And, most importantly what are you doing to take back control and fulfill your responsibilities as a responsilbe government in preventing this happening again.

The occupation would have been over 8 years ago if they were as efficient and serious about their professed aims as the Ben Gurion government was. They ruthlessly suppressed the extremists and Terrorists bringing them into the democratic fold of legitimate and controlled state and Civil Society. If Arafat had half the guts he pretended to have the PLO would have put their house in order in the early Nineties.

The PLO/PA are just as responsible for these deaths as Iran is in arming, training and financing the Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza. Israel is seemingly willing to be the bad policeman to let it play the good. The IDF Military Intel seems excellent and there has clearly had a great deal of help given from Arabs sources inside Gaza and out to be this efficient so far. The PA had better do their bit once the job of creating a sufficent power vacuum has been done. They cannot be allowed such an easy ride as they have gotten so far in this war.

Oh…

and I did notice he is not talking about a Palestinian embassy ‘alongside’ the Israeli one.

Nah, its gonna replace it.

No pissing about with any of that two state crap for Azzam.

The Guardian (and the various morons who have been here lately) must be very proud.

MattG

It may be me – I am the same age group as George – but does Mr Galloway need the toilet?

Note to Mr Tamimi; Loose the hat, dear!

The most irritating thing for me about the pro-Hamas etc demonstrators on Sunday was their inability to spell: every placard read “lift the seige of Gaza”. I pointed it out to one mad old trout who seemed to have escaped the coral of barriers and police but she just ignored me.

No pissing about with any of that two state crap for Azzam.
The Guardian (and the various morons who have been here lately) must be very proud.

Why – Have you not read The Good News?! The Guardian has come up with the Final Solution!

The two State solution has long been outed by the Guardian as a collaborationist “Bush hatched” conspiracy not only by “Boom Boom” Tamimi but by almost all of the Guardian’s CiF writers from Tariq “Pak-Islamist” Ali down to Tariq Ramadan, Sunny Hindal and Nir Rosen.

The Guardian line is that its final solution means one Islamic Palestine for all from the river to the sea. Deviation from this anti-imperialist line is no longer allowed.

This Islamic Palestine will be democratic in name only. Like Boom Boom says he never believed in democracy anyways. All that electioneering – what a waste of time. The Caliphs will decide whats best for the Umma.

It is Final Solution in deed.

Leon said”Fuck off was it. It was a Palestinian solidarity protest, the fact that some twat spoke about Hamas doesn’t make it a Hamas rally, anymore than those Orthodox Jews on Sunday calling for the end of a Israeli state make it there’s.”

First of all your statement that the anti Israel protests were not Hamas rallies are in error. There was a considerable prescence of Hamas and Hezbollah supporters and many fellow travellers of the idiot left.

There was considerable input into the violent anti Israel protests from known members and sympathisers of the Muslim Brotherhood who are the spritual wellspring from which psychotic murderers like Hamas come from.

The orthodox Jews are from a small sect – assuming that you are referring to NK – that in the main peacefully disagrees with the existance of Israel as a state (show me that bit in Hamas’s charter which says anything about peaceful disagreements and how to solve them).

If you want to help the Palestinians then hoping that they can be freed from the prison of Hamas in Gaza might be the best way to do it.

The anti Israel protests only used the plight of the Palestinians as a bit of war porno to get the footsoldiers angry. The main issue is hating Israel not the plight of the Palestinians.

“Naturei Karta are not ‘Orthodox Jews’. They are extreme right-wing and supremacist Messianic Jews and completely isolated from mainstream Orthodox Jewry in the UK and everywhere else.”

This is not exactly true.

The Jewish activists who refer to themselves as Neturei Karta, and who are seen at pro-Palestinian demo’s are indeed Orthodox Jews.

They are Orthodox Jews, who in their disregard for the teachings of the Rabbi’s they claim to follow, engage in very questionable political endeavours.

While their rejection of Zionism is consistent with many Orthodox Jews, their obsession with the issue, and their ignorance of the reality of the situation in Israel, results in them engaging in behaviour which is condemned by the entire religious Jewish world, including anti-Zionist religious Jews.

I am pretty certain many an HP contributor dislikes my socialism. So be it. One thing I can say is what that man says and wants “Is not in my name”.

I am against zionism, the monstrous Israeli actions right now. But be in no doubt, I am against Hamas and this cunt.

As said before, I am for an immediate ceasefire and for (politically) unifying the working class of Israel and Palestine, with the workers across the globe – for peace and socialism
For peace and socialism

Iain said:”On that Danny Rich whom I’ve met and found I had have much in common (the merger should have gone ahead in the nineties if you ask me) is most definitely a Zionist of the secular Leftist persuasion and was speaking for his Guardian reading constituancy. Although I am sure that there are more than a few Liberal Jews who would take acception to his personal opinion on this too.”

Rabbi Rich is my ‘chief rabbi’ not that he uses that title and yes he does come across as a socialist zionist. I saw him on the TV on Sunday morning and he did accpet that Israel has a right to defend itself but refused to associate himself with Sundays Demo. I can understand his reasoning and respect it even though I disagree with it. I cannot comment yet on the Guardian piece as I haven’t seen it yet.

It may be me – I am the same age group as George – but does Mr Galloway need the toilet?

No – he is just saluting his own courage, strength, and indefatigability, while hpoing against hope that “Boom Boom” doesnt veer off into yet another Julius Streicherish jew baiting tirade.

We are Hamas! We are Hamas!
Bow your head in shame.
(How much like Galloway he looks and sounds)

There is a psychoanalytic theory accordung to which fanatics like Hitler subconsciously desire their own dectruction. They have already destroyed themselves as thinking beings.

They want to destroy all other thinking beings.

I have noticed that whenever I point out the nature of Hamas and Islamic fundamentalists in general, that there is NO REPLY from the Hamas joy-riders. This is a question they can’t leave unanswered, if they want a leg to stand on. Poor left-become-right-wingers, maybe they are missing Stalin and have no choice but to rush into the arms of Ayatollah Khoumeini.

Pseudo-Marxism (which would certainly have been repudiated by Marx) is not an unknown phenomenon, but aren’t they in the slightest aware of the bed-fellows they are choosing now??

I sympathise with Clive who would like to bury his head in the sand until it all goes away, but we have to fight with the HP warriors for justice.

Schooled by HP I’m doing my tiny bit. I have dismantled some inhuman Hamas Rockets here and had an apology from my corner of Facebook for a picture of the swastika turning into a star of David. One can still reason with people who have jumped mindlessly on the Hamas bandwagon without yet being fixated on acid-induced ideology.

Italian news.
I think the Italians are a somewhat more gentle people. Of course there are acid-trip brains here too, but they are far less vocal. There was a big demonstration in Piazza Bra, Verona, yesterday, but it was more for peace all round and I didn’t see any Jihad posters about.

Today’s Arena reported that an under-secretary of Berlusconi’s has written him a letter asking for Hamas supporters and burners of the Star of David to be expelled from Italy, or not have their work permits renewed. As much as I dislike this government, I think this would be a step in the right direction.

The anti-Israel Jews and ‘Liberals’ are doing themselves a disfavour by boisterously invalidating their own positions. They could offer a much more valid critique, of Israel, USA capitalism, Islamic fundamentalism. Ashford, Penney Pemberton are wasting their critical gifts by poisoning them with ideology.

Have been out of the UK but keeping up via mainly HP. Does anyone have a link to the full list of 78 jewish academics saluted by Tamimi? The letter on the Guardian page I found just has the first few (including Haim TV Bereisheeth) and “65 others”.
Still on that topic, among the many, mostly superb posts over the past 2 weeks there was a link in the comments to a book on amazon.com being a study of the self hating jew through history. Unfortunately I could not bookmark it at the time. Does anyone have a link back to this?

am against zionism, the monstrous Israeli actions right now. But be in no doubt, I am against Hamas and this cunt. I am for an immediate ceasefire and for (politically) unifying the working class of Israel and Palestine, with the workers across the globe – for peace and socialism
For peace and socialism

But spgb gray – has the SPGB leadership not given you “The Good News” yet – Islam means Peace!

And its very socialist really once you look beyond the supreamicism, hand chopping and woman stoning.

And in any event there is no longer a hair’s difference between your world view and the world view of “this cunt”

DeFisker

the SPGB does not have a leadership.

I think you might be confusing the SPGB (Socialist Party of Great Britain) with the SWP (Socialist Workers Party).

“a study of the self hating jew through history.”

Hopefully it wasn’t David Mamet’s book, “Wicked Son.” I mean, it was a very entertaining rant, but not really history.

Ami, Maybe “Jews and Power” by Ruth Wisse?

“Rabbi Rich is my ‘chief rabbi’ not that he uses that title and yes he does come across as a socialist zionist. I saw him on the TV on Sunday morning and he did accpet that Israel has a right to defend itself but refused to associate himself with Sundays Demo. I can understand his reasoning and respect it even though I disagree with it. I cannot comment yet on the Guardian piece as I haven’t seen it yet.”

He’s technically supposed to be my chief rabbi too, and I know him very well. I feel a bit let down by him if I’m honest. I can respect him having reservations and personal feelings about it, but he represents a lot of people, and most of us would have liked him to be there to represent us.

It may not have started as a pro-Hamas rally. But the moment Tamimi stood on the platform and declared “Today we are all Hamas,” and was cheered, and nobody on or off the platform objected, it became a pro-Hamas rally.

bissli said:”most of us would have liked him to be there to represent us.”

I certainly would have liked Rabbi Rich to have been there. I can understand that he has to balance different needs, internal views within LJ, poss the safety and security of LJ’s working on projects in the OT’s and elsewhere etc etc and his own concisence but he should have been there to represent Liberal Jews in the UK some of whom are feeling a bit crushed to see the wave of antisemitsm spewing from the mouths of so called progressives.

I like the man and respect him so I’ll give him a pass on this this time :-)

Gene

paint all with one brush???

C’mon, surely you know that’s a logical fallacy.

Here is Azzam Tamimi last year when he was far more reasoned and moderate in his speeches.

In all fairness perhaps the Gaza event organisers were expecting a more rational balanced speech from “Boom Boom” along the lines of this one.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=zh6q02J6dJk

What is the excuse for having this guy on the platform?
Really.
Leon – where have you vanished to?

Shmuel: It was neither Mamet nor Wisse- it seemed to be a more scholarly work than Mamet.

Seeing my former MP standing next to this moron is deeply disapointing but not surprising.

What is really sad is that my mother was at that protest apparently in support of Palestinians. What awful company she keeps in her old age, she really has gone off the rails.

Gene

C’mon, surely you know that’s a logical fallacy.

gray, you’ve been reading HP long enough to know a thing or two about Hamas and its vicious Jew (not just Israel) hatred. If you had been in the crowd, how would you have reacted to Tamimi’s glorification of them?

Gene

I would have shouted ” FUCK OFF!” Not the most intelligent of denunciations. But you are skirting the point Gene. The demonstration was not pure Hamas, as you have disingeniously implied.

He’s so camp isn’t he?

Not “pure Hamas” no.
But Hamas-tolerant shall we say?

What is really sad is that my mother was at that protest apparently in support of Palestinians.

My uncle was there as well. He told my mother that he’d got chatting to a singer called “Ally or Annie or something like that.” My mother asked if she – the singer, not my mother – was Scottish and had short hair. She was, apparently. “That was Annie Lennox”, she told him. “Who?”, he said.

and I did notice he is not talking about a Palestinian embassy ‘alongside’ the Israeli one.

Nah, its gonna replace it.

No pissing about with any of that two state crap for Azzam.

And all would be fine and dandy if you similarly blasted the Likud over their charter that explicitly rejects the idea of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and calls for extending Israel’s sovereignty to that territory.

Gene

I would have shouted ” FUCK OFF!” Not the most intelligent of denunciations. But you are skirting the point Gene. The demonstration was not pure Hamas, as you have disingeniously implied.

If even one person in the crowd did indeed shout “FUCK OFF!,” then I will agree with you.

Ami – try Jewish Self-Hatred by Sander L Gilman.

Gene

do you know everyone (EVERYONE – apologies for the caps) chanted in agreement with Kaboom?

You hear loud cheers in that clip, for sure.

But…

I have no way of knowing ; I live in Denmark. You live in the USA; what do you know?

I am pretty certain many an HP contributor dislikes my socialism. So be it…I am against zionism, the monstrous Israeli actions right now.

Antisemitism cannot be ’socialist’.

Nearly Oxfordian

anti-semistism is not socialist. Socialists oppose racism, nationalism and patriotism. That includes zionism. Zionism is a racist creed.

So I guess some of you fuckwits would share a platform with the BNP if they shared your views on a certain issue? I hope they come out for radical action on climate change then we could have a joint BNP-Green rally and both members of the SPGB could tag along too. and any posh kids with non lectures on that day incase there’s a Starbuck’s nearby that needs trashing. After all it wouldn’t be a BNP rally would it?

Wankers.

Where is Hundal now?

6520

cute.

The SPGB opposes all racist organisations, be it Zionist; NF, KKK or Hamas

anti-semistism is not socialist. Socialists oppose racism, nationalism and patriotism. That includes zionism. Zionism is a racist creed.

brilliant attempt at sophistry.

so let me get this straight – As a socialist you cant have anything against Jews because the Jews constitue a race/and or religious group and being opposed to them on that basis is racist which is unacceptable to socialists.

However if the Jews strive to regain a national homeland in which they constitute a majority like a multitude of racial/religious groups have done throughout the world you label their effort uniquely as a racist pursuit and feel self righteous as a socialist in opposing it.

So we should take it for example that when there were marches by Tibetans early this year you opposed these and expressed your heartfelt support for the supression of Tibet by the Communist Chinese government in adherence with your socialist principles.

You really are full of it spgb gray and really not too different from “that cunt.”

You and Tamimi are one and the same, Tamimi is just less of a hypocrite compared to you.

DeFisker

the Jews are not a race. Judaism is a religious faith. If you think Jews are a race, you inadvertantly support the Nazi theory of race.

I oppose all nationalisms, BYW. Zionism is not singled out

The Military Resistance in Gaza is intact! Has not even been DENTED!

Well, the IDF has taken at least one casualty, but overall, he’s right. The same cannot be said for the terrorists, however. Admiral Ackbar!

The SPGB opposes all racist organisations

Who? Never mind, I haven’t got time to concern myself with statistically-irrelevant, nutty, fringe political parties. I’ve got more valuable uses for my time. I mean there’s a cornucopia of exotic pornography on the intertubes that I haven’t even seen, let alone abused myself over.

“the Jews are not a race. Judaism is a religious faith.”

So, what is a person who is a Jew but has no religious faith?

spgb

i dont think you’re too quick on the uptake. read what I wrote carefully.

Jews constitue a race/and or religious group

I oppose all nationalisms, BYW. Zionism is not singled out
So you are against all Palestinian nationalists.

Have you or the spgb (whatever that may be) protested against them?

I mean there’s a cornucopia of exotic pornography on the intertubes that I haven’t even seen, let alone abused myself over.

I’ve also heard that rumour. Let me know how you get on.

The largest gathering of neo-nazis since cable street.

DeFisker

what is it to be? Jews are a race and/or religious group?

Jews aren’t a race. Gentiles and Jews have been fucking and having kids since the sacking of Jerusalem. Please show me the Jew gene (which didn’t exist to begin with, you schmuck)

Spgb gray: whether the Jewish people constitute a race or not is actually a relatively interesting scientific debate.

Throughout the diaspora they have maintained a genetic homogeneity distinct from that of host populations which may well acknowledge their status as a race.

But it is an ongoing debate regardless.

This question of race is difficult anyway, as it is particularly difficult to reach consensus on how much homogeniety within a group and distinctiveness between a group equates to family, genus, species, subspecies, race, population

the Jews are not a race. Judaism is a religious faith.

And the Jews are a nation.

I oppose all nationalisms, BYW. Zionism is not singled out

Tell us which countries you are calling to be dismantled.

Yes, full of it.

Edward,
Jewish ethnicity is remarkably preserved after 2000 years. The genetics are unambiguous.
Of course there is no such thing as a pure race (well, maybe in tiny isolated communities in New Guinea).
What never fails to amaze me, as an example of stupidity, is that people have such a difficulty grasping that ‘Jews’ can be both a nation and a religion.

Zionism is a racist creed

What a sad ignorant racist tosser you are.

Socialists oppose … nationalism and patriotism

You really are one ignorant loser, aren’t you? There are plenty of socialists who are patriots.
What you mean is that YOUR brand of demented pseudo-socialism is hysterically anti-patriotic.

Interesting how Radio 4’s Today programme this morning had Sir Jeremy Beecham of Forward Thinking trying to argue that Hamas was much misrepresented, is really for peace and all those rockets are being launched from Gaza by Fatah and Islamic Jihad. Thank you, Tamimi, for showing that Hamas is right on track with what it promised back when it stood for election in Gaza in 2006.

Hamas is a malignantly narcissistic organisation and, accordingly, those who associate with it or who are its leaders possess those lamentable twisted personalities. Unfortunately malignant narcissists are often to be found in positions of power.

Narcissists are overblown, self-centred, power crazy and conscienceless. They arrogate all power to themselves but have unrealistic expectations of others and are convinced of their own superiority and invincibility, but when threatened (narcissistically injured) they can become angry, violent, or psychotically enraged.

“Boom boom” Tamimi’s speech of last year was at a time when his glorious Hamas thought it would eventually rule the Middle East at least, hence the relative calmness of the delivery.

The speech on 10th January was at a time when Boom Boom was experiencing considerable narcissitic injury, and his behaviour then was by way of reassuring himself that Hamas was still the force to be reckoned with. He is evidently divorced from reality of course.

Jews aren’t a race. Gentiles and Jews have been fucking and having kids since the sacking of Jerusalem. Please show me the Jew gene (which didn’t exist to begin with, you schmuck)

Intersting. In spgb gray – we have many of the traits of our contemporary “radical socialist” rolled into one. he is

(1) uninformed on the subject matter he preaches about
(2) unconciously following an anti-semetic line
(3) reverting to emtional arguments that fall apart under the slightest scrutiny

(4) immediatlely trying to misdirect and deflect when one engages with him on any of the above points.

I point out to him the hypocracy of his position. The fact that he has singled out the Jewish national project and labelled this alone as a racist scheme.

He denounces Tamaimi and Hamas but will in no way label the Palestinian national project or the national project of any other nation as a racist endevour. Racism in his twisted mind is the defining aspect of Zionism alone.

Its probabley never even occured to him that he is an unthinking stooge.

“Boom boom” Tamimi’s speech of last year was at a time when his glorious Hamas thought it would eventually rule the Middle East at least, hence the relative calmness of the delivery.

Mitnaged

I dont think you understood I was being facetious about Boom Boom’s earlier speech.

Tamimi has been clearly unhinged since his first appearence in the UK media.

He is like the Julius Streicher of his day. Insane in his anti-Zionism, anti-semetic and generally a bit mad in an obsessive way – which is why his handlers are so keen to get him off the stage.

spgb, will you please tell me what a Jewish person is, if they have no religious beliefs?

DeFisker says:

“He denounces Tamaimi and Hamas but will in no way label the Palestinian national project or the national project of any other nation as a racist endevour. Racism in his twisted mind is the defining aspect of Zionism alone.”

Since I have said (many a time in the HP comments box) I oppose all nationalisms and stand for working class internationalism, your argument against me is null and void.

Nearly Oxfordian

Zionism is racist because it posits there is a race called the Jews

spgb gray isn’t a racist and hasn’t “singled out” Israel or Zionism. His views might strike me as a bit loopy at times (no offence), but they aren’t racist or specifically anti-Israeli. That’s that cleared up.

wardy, thanks for that clarification. that’s what i thought too.

now, onto Nearly Oxfordian..is he a knuckle-dragging, misanthropic, foaming-at-the-mouth, pretentious, keyboard-warrior, cunt or is it just an act?

Zionism is racist because it posits there is a race called the Jews

Wrong. Anything else I can help you with?

Gene

oh please don’t tell me a few guys went gardening on their Bar Mitzvah

NO: “Jewish ethnicity is remarkably preserved after 2000 years. The genetics are unambiguous.”

Hmmm. Zehr interessant, Herr Doktor…

RE: Zionism is racist because it posits there is a race called the Jews..

That is the dumbest line i’ve heard in quite some time, and that’s saying a lot. Zionism posits there are a “people” called the jews. Maybe it’s “peoplist”. And don’t you just love it when non-Jews decide how Jews should be defined. I call that, um, racist.

Also has anybody else noticed the resemblance between guys like this Tamimi and the Black Knight from the Holy Grail. Even after having both his arms and a leg chopped off, the Black Knight remains just as defiant (”I’m invincible!” he yells). One is tempted to respond to Tamimi, “what are you going to do, bleed on me?” but that wouldn’t be politically correct.

Jews are a race AND a religion. It is perfectly possible to be Jewish and secular – in fact most Jews are. The fact that many European Jews were not religious did not prevent them being sent to the gas chambers. As far as I’m concerned the “who is a Jew” debate has been irrelevent for the past 70 years. The criteria were defined for us the minute anyone with a Jewish relation up to 4 generations back was ruled to be unfit to live by the Nazi regime.
What I really want to know is what is going to be done (and when) regarding these blatant calls for the use of violence against Jews in Britain. It’s all very well complaining about Tamimi, Galloway, Sawalha et al on line, but these people are dangerous and have been for a long time now. Does their “human right” to demonstration and expression of their opinions over rule the right of a section of the population to walk the streets, work, worship etc. without fear?
Does somebody have to get killed before this country wakes up to the ridiculous situation it has brought upon itself?

Come on – that hat, those arm gestures, the funny accent: that’s some guy doing an impression of Mussolini, isn’t it? I’m guessing Andrew Sachs, or Alexei Sayle, am I right? Do I win a prize?

Lots of the usual kookiness with some spicy anti-Obama feeling in San Francisco, enjoy!

Wow, some of the nastiest stuff yet! I can’t believe they’re already backlashing against Obama, he’s not even president yet! Fucking nutters.

Vildechaye

sorry.

I forgot to say there is no Muslim gene either, ie. no muslim race exists either.

RE: Vildechaye sorry. I forgot to say there is no Muslim gene either, ie. no muslim race exists either.

So? What’s your point? assuming you have one.

So? What’s your point? assuming you have one.

spgb doesnt have a point vildechaye. He’s just engaging in misdirection. Its a classic ploy – bait and switch. The question I posed had nothing to do with race. The fact is that there are people who define themselves as Jewish either by race or religion.

THe point the spgb cant answer is why is it that uniquely amongst all national movements he fixates on Zionism (the Jewish movemnet to create a Jewish homeland).

I’ll tell you why. Its because conciously or sub conciously sbgb gray like much of the hardline Left is anti-semetic. (It goes back to their Stalinist roots).

“Contrary to the Holocaustology that sees all Israel’s enemies as the second coming of Adolf Hitler, Hamas is not the problem; it is a symptom. Treating it as the problem only prolongs the crisis. The problem is political and historical: the dispossession of Palestinians and the ongoing Israeli occupation of their land. Until that fundamental problem is resolved—and the hour when it can be resolved by a two-state solution may already have passed—Israel and America’s attempts to bludgeon Palestinians, Arabs and Muslims into submission will only generate more hatred, more violence and ever more extremism”

~~ The Israel Rules, by Gary Kamiya; Salon, 6 Jan 2009

For all those that do not grasp what Israel is dealing with: The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

fuck you israel
You crashed later at time will come
Believe that
And class yahudi Not long you crashed
fuck you amerika
We have prepared secret for country of islam to something that lethal you

get strapped up and lets go. oops sorry forgot that talk is cheap.

George Galloway will once again be proven to be right
all what you Zionist say and do against him he always proves to be right
we shall see when all the Zionist are on trial for the war crimes they have committed to the people of Gaza
I am ashamed to see these sort of comments upon a Labour blog my God what is this world coming to when all you people see is hatred and contempt I wish George Galloway was cloned in Parliament good luck to the Respect Party for the future we need more of the truth out there