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The Telegraph have a story:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/4241430/MPs-warn-of-anti-Semitic-attacks-over-Israels-intervention-in-Gaza.html

It is sad, but nobody has died yet, Priority #1 is stopping Israel now that they have killed 1000 people, 300 of them children. Priority #2 is stopping Hamas that has killed 13, 3 civilians.

Terrible and scary. Can you update the link for “KILL JEWS” because at te moment it links to something unrelated.

I can’t believe that this country is coming to. My muslim friends are saying how disgusting this is, and that it’s very thinly veiled anti-semitism. They hate these thugs more than i do, because they give my decent, respectable friends a bad name.

I know that there’s going to be some high profile stuff, from writers who are Muslims, speaking out about this.

That Telegraph link is pretty general and sketchy, btw

Thi is pretty frightening. During the second intifada I was at a secondary school fairly whose nearest mosque was Finsbury park, so I encountered the usual anti-semitism, but hardly remember anything like this.

Anyone know why they’re attacking Starbucks? Apart from the shit coffee?

“Anyone know why they’re attacking Starbucks? Apart from the shit coffee?”

In America, Starbucks are usually attacked by people befuddled by too much Chomsky or Naomi Klein.

In many ways, the entire Euroleft (from Galloway to the Guardian)may be charged with medieval blood libel against Israel, fomenting anti-Semitism, and inciting anti-Semitic violence.

In my opinion, the British Jewish community wouldbe better off declaring outright moral or legal war against the Euroleft, simply make these issues crystal clear and to deny the Euroleft both its false moral high ground and its false claim to hate “only Israeli policy, not Jews.”

Appalling. Notice the lowlifes at Indymedia are creaming themselves over another own goal. Never more to they show themselves up to be a bunch of Tarquins playing at revolution than at times like these.

I’m acquainted with a former starbucks area manager, now working abroad. His sister was the second muslim woman to be a Labour candidate for Parliament, way back in May 1997.

The British Muslim Initiative has a whole dossier on Starbucks’s “Zionist” CEO Howard Schultz (whose name they misspell).

J.R. The “in Lebanon” link has a good explanation:

The protesters said they targeted the store because they claim that Howard Schultz, the company’s CEO, chairman and president, donates money to the Israeli

J.R. The “in Lebanon” link has a good explanation:

The protesters said they targeted the store because they claim that Howard Schultz, the company’s CEO, chairman and president, donates money to the Israeli military. A spokeswoman for the Seattle, Washington-based conglomerate called accusations Starbucks supports Israel “false” and said the political preferences of one of its employees has no bearing on the company’s policies.

The demonstrators hung several banners on the shop’s window and used white tape to paste a Star of David over the green-and-white Starbucks sign.

The protesters also distributed a letter saying Schultz “is one of the pillars of the American Jewish lobby and the owner of the Starbucks,” which they said donates money to the Israeli military.

Starbucks is a publicly traded company, with stores in 49 countries.

A company spokeswoman Tuesday referred questions to a company statement released earlier this month in which the company said “rumors that Starbucks Coffee Company and its management support Israel are unequivocally false.”

“Starbucks is a non-political organization and does not support political causes. Further, the political preferences of a Starbucks partner (employee) at any level have absolutely no bearing on Starbucks company policies,” the statement read.

David T – I agree. But it’s something, and more than any of the other nationals are doing as yet.

Now this is scary, unlike the previous post.

Why hasn’t the media, outside the Daily Telegraph, reported this?
Have to remember that most of the Media do not report anti-Semitic attacks unless they are done by the National Front and other far-right groups. To say that Muslim extremists and their left-wing allies are enganging in rascist attacks would be politically inccorrect and therefore something that is tossed down the Memory Hole to be incinarated.

Remember when in doubt as to what is acceptable to report, follow the lead of the Ministry of Truth aka the BBC. If the Beeb is silent, most of the rest of the Media will be silent as well.

“Anyone know why they’re attacking Starbucks? Apart from the shit coffee?”

Because Starbucks has been identified by the Boycott Israel Campaign as an “pro-Zionist organisation” run by “an active Zionist” (Chairman Howard Schultz.)

According to the Starbucks page on the campaign’s website, other reasons includes “the company’s support for the War on Terror” (it sent free coffee to US troops on Afghanistan) and its “investment in Israel” (it opened a handful of shops there).

Which some people apparently believe provides them with ample justification for firebombing its premises.

This is indeed saddening, although I would hesitate to draw wider conclusions about anti-semitism from this. Idiots on a protest got wound up and did something idiotic, it’s hardly kristallnacht.

This is very alarming. I had no idea that there were the beginnings of a generalised campaign of bigotry occuring. Makes me even more glad, whetever the difficulties of what’s going on in Gaza, to have gone to support the Jewish community in Trafalgar Square last Sunday.

How awful.

Dave Batista. This was not people wound up on a protest – this was a planned attack which happened late at night in an area miles from the Israeli embassy. An area which has seen antisemitic graffiti being daubed on its walls for the last couple of weeks.

Well rather than sitting on our hands grumbling about MSM non-coverage, why don’t we all call the BBC?

This seems to be the links for suggesting what ought to be covered. Otherwise complaints could be made.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_3990000/newsid_3993900/3993909.stm

There are myths that will never die. Like that Starbucks sends its Saturday revenues to Israel, or that Wagner was played at concentration camps, or that no Jew can be a citizen of Jordan, or that Jews are not allowed to visit Saudi Arabia, or that the Nazis made soap from Jewish bodies, or that the British commander at King David said “I give orders to the Jews; I don’t take orders from them,” or that the Jewish terrorists attacked British military targets only, or that Martin Luther King wrote a Letter to an anti-Zionist friend…

One is astonished at how easily the human being accepts and disseminates the most ludicrous hoaxes.

“Remember when in doubt as to what is acceptable to report, follow the lead of the Ministry of Truth aka the BBC. If the Beeb is silent, most of the rest of the Media will be silent as well.”

Strangely, the BBC is also not reporting on the ongoing peace talks in Cairo. See Ha’aretz:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1055543.html

What the fuck are you talking about now, Buster?

Flanker
It is sad, but nobody has died yet, Priority #1 is stopping Israel now that they have killed 1000 people, 300 of them children. Priority #2 is stopping Hamas that has killed 13, 3 civilians.

So it is acceptible to attack innocent Jews in Britain as long as it furthers your goal of “stopping Israel”?

This is the racist warped mindset of the socialist pigs. Blaming Jews for Israel. I think all socialist pigs should be held to account for Hitler and treated accordingly.

Yes, its appalling and one of the shocking things is the Starbucks and some of these attacks are near the Freedom Bookshop and anarchist resource centre, etc and . Yet there seems to be silence on these issues, no marches against the attacks, etc. If this was the BNP there would be uproar. Remember this was one of Moseleys old stomping grounds, I wonder what the old east end anti-fascists of cable st would be doing now?

Oh and indymedia seems to censoring comments such as the above

flanker, you are a disgrace to the left

dave batista
This is indeed saddening, although I would hesitate to draw wider conclusions about anti-semitism from this. Idiots on a protest got wound up and did something idiotic, it’s hardly kristallnacht.

Daubing “KILL JEWS” after firebombing and assaulting Jewish owned businesses is not anti-semitic? It appears that in the mind of a few nutjobs racism does not exist when aimed at Jews. Rather perverse.

From the Indy Media site:

One effective method is to go to your Tesco, Asda etc etc and get the largest trolley available. Fill it with Israeli products preferably small items the better. Fill the trolley to the top. Place a simple piece of paper which says “I was gonna buy these goods until I realised they are from stolen Palestinian lands and using slave Palestianian labour. Stop the Gaza massacre!” or words to that effect. Then leave it an aisle and walk out of the shop.

This is insane.

One effective method is to go to your Tesco, Asda etc etc and get the largest trolley available. Fill it with Israeli products preferably small items the better. Fill the trolley to the top. Place a simple piece of paper which says “I was gonna buy these goods until I realised they are from stolen Palestinian lands and using slave Palestianian labour. Stop the Gaza massacre!” or words to that effect. Then leave it an aisle and walk out of the shop.

They wish to collectively punish Israelis. But I wouldn’t be surprised if they out and out called for a boycott of all Jewish owned businesses in Britain – guilt by association of having the misfortune of being born Jewish etc.

They practice the most ethnically divisive apartheid policies imaginable.

Alberto says: There are myths that will never die. Like [...] that no Jew can be a citizen of Jordan

Perhaps that “myth” will never die Alberto because UNHCR – The UN Refugee Agency insists on putting the Jordanian government’s Law No. 6 on Nationality (last amended 1987) on-line:

Article 3
The following shall be deemed to be Jordanian nationals:

(2)Any person who, not being Jewish, possessed Palestinian nationality before 15 May 1948 and was a regular resident in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan between 20 December 1949 and 16 February 1954;

Alberto, get your myths and facts straight before posting here so notwithstanding how utterly repugnant your strawman comments are, you won’t be busted so often.

My guess is, that if the BBC do decide to report this, they will do one of the following:

1. Report the attack on Starbucks but give no information on the nature of the attackers, or the reason Starbucks was singled out.

2. Report the attack, and the pretext cited by the attackers, but remain silent on the falsehood of the claims of Starbucks support for the IDF.

There is a faction within our society, who are probing the system to find out just how much virulent Jew-bashing they can get away with. So far, it looks like they are actually above the law.

Starbucks isn’t even a Jewish owned business.

It’s a publicly traded business, owned by the shareholders. Probably including some of our pension funds. It happens to have a CEO who is Jewish.

There is a faction within our society, who are probing the system to find out just how much virulent Jew-bashing they can get away with. So far, it looks like they are actually above the law.

Don’t offend the radical Muslim extremists!

They believe that the JewMonkey and JewPig must be killed so who are we to question their islamofascist rhetoric, threats and attacks?

The 14th century culture of Islam is equal to our secular democracy of course.

Strangely, the BBC is also not reporting on the ongoing peace talks in Cairo. See Ha’aretz:

Try reading further the first two paragraphs…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7828884.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7828884.stm

Nice graph they’ve got there.

If you want to know why, you could do a lot worse than take a little trip over to Neil Clark’s blog and look at the kind of filth that has been pouring out almost non-stop for the last couple of weeks. You should also take a gander at his article in today’s Australian.

I’m sorry I haven’t provided links, but I make it a rule never to link to racist websites or articles.

OT but I am curious to see whether the ICRC, HRW and CNN will be issuing any statements about the use of phosphorus as a war crime, now that “mortar shells fired from northern Gaza at the Eshkol Regional Council Tuesday were found to contain white phosphorus”

(2)Any person who, not being Jewish, possessed Palestinian nationality before 15 May 1948 and was a regular resident in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan between 20 December 1949 and 16 February 1954;

And as you can see, that affects exclusively those Jews who possessed Palestinian nationality before 15 May 1948. It affects no other Jew.

Read the rest of the law and you’ll see it provides for a lot of naturalization mechanisms, and in none of these is a Jew forbidden from applying for citizenship. Ergo, a Jew can acquire citizenship by naturalization.

Not for nothing the US Department of State International Religious Freedom Report 2006 on Jordan noted: “The Government recognizes Judaism as a religion; however there are reportedly no Jordanian citizens who are Jewish. The Government does not impose restrictions on Jews, and they are permitted to own property and conduct business in the country.”

HASBARA BUSTED – YET AGAIN!!!

A branch of Starbucks in East London has been smashed and firebombed

WTF …. If this isnt incitement by Indymedia to terrorism then what is? Immediately after stating that somewhere has been firebombed and smashed you give a list of addresses!

To what UK government body is one supposed to report this?

This government is complicit in allowing such things because it is beholden to its policy of molly coddling reactionary leftists and islamists.

If there isnt a stop to this there will be a sharp rise in support for the BNP.

Alberto says: There are myths that will never die. Like [...] that no Jew can be a citizen of Jordan

I never gave my name and it’s not Alberto. You do this purely and simply to annoy me, based exclusively on an annonymous commenter who has linked me to a named person.

THAT is the kind of stuff that needs pruning.

Gene or David T, I’d like to hear from you on this.

Moose wrote:

“This is the racist warped mindset of the socialist pigs. Blaming Jews for Israel. I think all socialist pigs should be held to account for Hitler and treated accordingly.”

could you do us a favour?

if you wish to attack Flanker do it DIRECTLY with him, and try not to call socialist pigs or blame them for Hitler, as it is rather offensive

Mike on Lenin’s Tomb said John Game, on the saturday demonstration, had smashed a Starbucks window?

Was he just ‘joking’?

The reason why “anti-Zionists” are targeting Starbucks is that they have been taken in by a hoax perpetrated by an Australian anti-Semite nearly three years ago. Brendan O’Neill explains on Spiked:

Many of the claims about ‘Zionist coffee’ and a link between Starbucks and the Israeli military spring from a letter allegedly written by CEO Howard Schultz. Dated 11 July 2006, and titled ‘A Thank You To All Starbucks Customers’, Schultz apparently said that ‘with every cup you drink at Starbucks you are helping with a noble cause’: ensuring the ‘continued viability and prospering of the Jewish State’. Schultz seems to say that the $5 billion donated by America to Israel every year is ‘no way near enough to pay for all the weaponry, bulldozers and security fences needed to protect innocent Israeli citizens from anti-Semitic Muslim terrorism. Corporate sponsorships are essential [too]’. Schultz thanks Starbucks customers for helping him to raise ‘hundreds of millions of dollars each year’ to support the state of Israel (8). This seemingly Starbucks-damning letter has been on the internet for two-and-a-half years, and it now underpins much of the current anti-Starbucks, pro-Gaza protesting. [. . .]

However, the ‘Schultz letter’ is a hoax; worse than that, it’s a piece of satire that has been accepted by some people as fact. The letter was written, not by Schultz, but by Andrew Winkler, an Australian-based ‘anti-Zionist media activist’ of German origin. It was published as a parody of Schultz, and clearly advertised as a parody, on the anti-Zionist website ZioPedia on 11 July 2006. Winkler later wrote: ‘The Howard Schultz spoof letter has caused quite a bit of a stir… Howard Schultz never wrote that letter, I did.’ (10) Yet now it has become something like a modern, internet-shared version of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion: a hoax document supposedly written by a Jew which is cited by some people as evidence of Zionist wickedness.

http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php?/site/article/6103/

“But then sane people know that Starbucks isn’t an Israeli company either. Sane people know that firebombing shops because you think they’re owned by Jews… oh let’s not waffle: sane people know that firebombing shops is not legitimate political activism – for any reason. Even Spiked Online gets it.”

The attacks on stores like Strabucks is an attempt to separate Jews from the rest of the population. Make them feel marginal. The same is true for boycott programs.

This is what the Nazis did in Germany in the late 20’s ealry 30’s and it worked.

Make the majority of non Jews feel like the Jews in their midst are something sinister and alien.

Lots of comparisons with the Nazis here. Not sure all are are appropriate. What this horrible, rather nightmarish antisemitism is kicked off by is some pretty widespread killing in a poor and defenceless territory. Neither action can be excused.

The problem pro-Israelis have is that this situation, this attack on Gaza, looks obviously terrible. There is no getting around that. And, from what I have been reading, not from the left that HP hate, but from middle of the road commentators, is that is likely to fail. They call for a ceasefire, and its ignored. Just about everybody is calling for a ceasefire, from the Telegraph to the UN, and its ignored by both parties, but most egregiously by Israel, who has upped the scale of the action.

What is needed is some hard headed political realism. What the pro-Israelis don’t realise is that military action is sign of weakness, not strength. Israel is refusing to take the well worn path of conflict resolution, the basic steps that have been taken in South Africa to Northern Ireland. It involves talking to people you don’t like, who don’t like you: those are the people that its most important to talk to.

Until Israel learns that lesson, this conflict will continue. Its 67 borders or this continues indefinitely. To achieve that it needs to bring in Hamas, like it or not.

You can bet that if someone put a brick through my local newsagent that would be reported as a racist attack even if the perpetrators were never caught and a motive never established.

I’ve reported “F— the Jews” daubed in South London (in an area again with a high proportion of Muslims).

Well I hate Starbucks, but I think I’ll make the effort in future just as I used to make an effort to buy Danish products when they were under threat.

Time to develop a liking for coffee-flavoured frothy luke warm milk.

The irony is, there are so many political opportunities for Israel here, if only it will see them.

Let’s not imagine that all the fundy nuts are in the Arab world –
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1180527966693&pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull

could you do us a favour?

if you wish to attack Flanker do it DIRECTLY with him, and try not to call socialist pigs or blame them for Hitler, as it is rather offensive

I wish to attack socialist pigs and their compatriate/comrade Hitler.

The Dutch socialist foreign minister Harry van Bommel is being proscecuted for his calling for an “Intifadah” against Israel and by idly standing by while chants were raised calling for “Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the Gas” in his presence.

He (and another parlementarian) is being proscecuted for ‘encouragement of violence and hate’.

He is being charged because there is actually a clear legal precedent for a proscecution against a former neo-fascist leader, Hans Janmaat, in 1999. Janmaat was videoed at a public gathering where fascists shouted “Eigen volk eerst! (Our own people first!)” and “Full is Full”. Despite not chanting, he was proscecuted as he was clearly not disassociating himself from the group with which he identified.

The Dutch socialist foreign minister Harry van Bommel is being proscecuted for his calling for an “Intifadah” against Israel and by idly standing by while chants were raised calling for “Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the Gas” in his presence.

He (and another parlementarian) is being proscecuted for ‘encouragement of violence and hate’.

He is being charged because there is actually a clear legal precedent for a proscecution against a former neo-fascist leader, Hans Janmaat, in 1999. Janmaat was videoed at a public gathering where fascists shouted “Eigen volk eerst! (Our own people first!)” and “Full is Full”. Despite not chanting, he was proscecuted as he was clearly not disassociating himself from the group with which he identified.

Finally some normality courtesy of the Dutch.

Time to develop a liking for coffee-flavoured frothy luke warm milk.

Presumably Starbucks is targeted because CEO Howard Shultz won the “The Israel 50th Anniversary Tribute Award” from the Jerusalem Fund of Aish Ha-Torah for “playing a key role in promoting a close alliance between the United States and Israel”. (Wikipedia) This award I presume is true, I am not sure if there are any other reasons folk give. Aish HaTorah is an orthodox Jewish organisation.

Folk who have been successful in a (peaceful) campaign against Starbucks are the Chinese, concerning just one branch in the Imperial Palace. It was certainly a somewhat odd sight, as I remember.

RE THE VANCOUVER STARBUCKS:

Guys, I live in Vancouver. This was in February last year and it was a Taco Del Mar that was firebombed. The Starbucks happened to be next door.

It was a non-political affair – I vaguely recall it may have been an insurance scam. The arsonist himself was injured.

Anyways – Vancouverites would riot if they lost Starbucks – they’re on bloody EVERY corner!

Benji, Starbucks was targeted because of racial prejudice, nothing more.

In the United States, we have a very simple solution for people wielding molotov bombs.

We kill them.

Coincidentally, politically motivated arson is a relative rarity in the US. And nobody dares throw these in a protest.

Moose,

do you think that Hitler was a socialist? that is REALLY your view?

Moose: It’s a private prosecution, unfortunately. By a rather controversial defence lawyer – A Dershowitz type guy. Still, hope he wins.

Nevertheless – a lot of people are behind this. Anti-Israel demos in Holland have been low key – mostly viewed as an Arab/Muslim/Extreme Left affair by the Dutch, who are fed up with radicalism. \

Brussels, Antwerp and Paris are another matter – the scenes there have been disgraceful. The Jews there will be part of a next wave of Aliyah – without a doubt.

Benji, Starbucks was targeted because of racial prejudice, nothing more.

I don’t doubt it, although are there any particular reasons why they may target Starbucks over other Jewish owned or connected businesses? I guess its just a question of being well known, with Tescos. But Wal-Mart is safe then? Blimey, that’s a turn up for the books.

In the United States, we have a very simple solution for people wielding molotov bombs.

We kill them.

Nice. Resulting in a peaceful, harmonious society I presume?

I don’t doubt it, although are there any particular reasons why they may target Starbucks over other Jewish owned or connected businesses? I guess its just a question of being well known, with Tescos. But Wal-Mart is safe then? Blimey, that’s a turn up for the books.

There’s a Starbucks in every town to attack!

After all the Starbucks have been blown up, they’ll go after the smaller Jewish owned stores.

If it was February last year we will edit that post to remove the reference.

And it was – easy mistake to make with those little datelines on internet stories. Reference has been removed. Thanks to Meir for pointing that out.

Flanker

“It is sad, but nobody has died yet”

Isn’t it interesting that when I saw that I thought it said “It is sad nobody has died yet”.

I am such a fool.

Why doesn’t someone go over to CiF and ask them nicely to cover this story? Worth a laugh.

Starbucks was targeted because of racial prejudice, nothing more.

Do we have a description of the attackers? Seems more like anti capitalist leftist types who were hyped up by Galloway.

Well, Benji, even in the globalization riots, nobody in America dared even wield a Molotov. And that makes me happy.

Spotted the following on the IndyMedia thread linked above. Have reposted it here as no doubt it will be purged by IM in a desperate attempt to clean up their “peace” campaign, already tarnished beyond repair.

In response to this rather cute post:

“Don’t we all dream of the day when the Polish and Chinese girls in our local coffee shop are burnt to death in a glorious Night of Broken Glass?”

We are treated to:

No, that’s just you. And to be honest, in your fantasies they aren’t Polish or Chinese, they are arabic ‘two-legged beasts’. Thouugh from your point of view I can see why you see them as equivalent. Homo-Inferior. Are you saying let’s kill the non-Jew – yes you are. Yes you are., yes you are. I have to ask what is it like to be an impotent chronic masturbator without a foreskin ?

Please don’t make Nazism credible.

FFS. And people think HP or PP attract scum? It’s been a long time since I’ve visited IM but it’s on a whole ‘nother level…

Meir

Brussels, Antwerp and Paris are another matter – the scenes there have been disgraceful. The Jews there will be part of a next wave of Aliyah – without a doubt.

London could probably be included in that list too unfortunately.

One wonders how long it will be before Europe wakes up to the radicalism threat, supported by the comrade socialists…

modernity

do you think that Hitler was a socialist? that is REALLY your view?

Hahahaha thanks for the laugh. Perhaps more adrtoit would be Chavez or Moussilini. Can you really see no similarity with Nazism and socialism or communism such as overlord dictators militarily enforcing their vision of a “perfect society”. And where individualism is eroded in favor of “a just society”. Where everyone must make sacrifices “for the good of the people” and everyone lives in filth and squalor, and is dirt poor except for the totalitarian leaders of this “vision” who enjoy the decedant hedonism of freedom.

Vive la revolucion!

Omri
In the United States, we have a very simple solution for people wielding molotov bombs.

Indymedia and Cnut were responsible for the rise in sea levels?
Let us put it another way.Does he have a point? In Greece policeman have been injured. The point is, do we have a political system, to be proud of that specifically precludes the use of Molotovs in the hands of young boys or even old boys for that matter? If this is not the case do we need to do what Chile and Argentina did in the sixties and seventiesm merely to survive. The shooting by the state of anybody with a Molotov should be a rubber stamped, death by misadventure?

Mike,

if you’re the Mike who writes on Lenin’s Tomb, is it true that you saw John Game smash a Starbucks window?

The remark has been erased from Seymour’s threads (to use a laundry metaphor).

The wave of attacks, and – from an American perspective – bizarre reaction by police, government leaders, etc. is enraging. Even when the German police “apologized” for taking Israeli flags down from inside a private home, it wasn’t for violating the rights of Jews and supporters of Israel, but for “hurting their feelings”.

if you’re the Mike who writes on Lenin’s Tomb, is it true that you saw John Game smash a Starbucks window

I did hear reports of this, but they remain unconfirmed at this stage.

I guess we’ll never really know the truth.

here’s that video Jen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJstmNi6ugI

Well Mr Hasbara Buster,

So proud of yourself. Yet, still only telling half truth. Perhaps this is the origin of the myth that you are refering too (Jordan)

In 1973, under the direct instructions of King Hussein, the government of Jordan passed the Law for Preventing the Sale of Immoveable Property to the Enemy ? with the “enemy” defined in Article 2 as:

… any man or judicial body [corporation] of Israeli citizenship living in Israel or acting on its behalf.

Under Article 4 of this law any Jordanian citizen who sold land in Jordan or the West Bank to the “enemy” faced the death penalty and forfeiture of all his property ? moveable and immoveable ? to the state:

(A) The sale of immoveable property against the provisions of this law constitutes a crime against state security and well being, punishable by death, and the confiscation of all the culprit’s immoveable and moveable possessions.
(B) If the crime is committed by a judicial body the punishment will be exacted from the persons who committed the crimes on behalf of this judicial body, and the judicial body will have its registration cancelled.

In addition, under Article 3 the sale of land to any alien (ie., someone who is either non- Jordanian or non-Arab) without permission from the Council of Ministers became a security offense, again punishable by death.

Nice. Resulting in a peaceful, harmonious society I presume?

More than yours.

“Not for nothing the US Department of State International Religious Freedom Report 2006 on Jordan noted: “The Government recognizes Judaism as a religion; however there are reportedly no Jordanian citizens who are Jewish. The Government does not impose restrictions on Jews, and they are permitted to own property and conduct business in the country.”” (Alberto Miyara)

No, Alberto, the issue is more complex than what the US Department of State wants to admit. In spite of the peace treaty between Israel and Jordan, an Israeli may have a business in Jordan, but he better have it by the name of an Arab Jordanian or Arab-Israeli figurehead because the Jordanian Bar Association has a policy forbidding Jordanian lawyers from representing Israelis -and of course, they in practice differentiate between Israeli-Jews and Israeli-Arabs- since at least the year 2000. Therefore, the statement: “The Government does not impose restrictions on Jews, and they are permitted to own property and conduct business in the country.””" is false, since nobody will conduct businesses if he cannot be appropiately defended in court, and the Jordanian Bar Association discriminates against Jews.
http://www.adl.org/presrele/IslME_62/3550_62.asp

Alberto, Alberto, stop telling lies. Las mentiras tienen patas cortas.

Now, I wouldn’t even think of ownin even a place to park my car in Jordan, since, as a Jew, in the event of some kind of litigation, I would not have a lawyer to defend myself.

*owning*

What a disgusting act firebombing Starbucks. It brings these people down to the level of the IDF.

It brings these people down to the level of the IDF.

Lol.

Also a blockade of soymilk would only make the civilian population of Starbucks suffer.

I’m sure George Galloway was very careful in his language.
He specifically said “shut down” the “Israel Shops” rather than boycott.

By the way, does anyone know whether thes places in Bluewater & the other centre a.exist. b.Are actually called “Israel Shops”. c.Have put on extra security.

More than yours.

Mine, you mean the UK? Naah, mate. I don’t think the UK generally has yet achieved the levels the US crime yet, although I am sure they are working on it. I am also disappointed to learn that the UK does not yet bang up 1 in 100 people. Much more work to do, obviously.

By the way, communist China really really are a bunch of liberal wussies: 18% of the incarceration of the USA. I always knew there was something wrong with those commies.

Maybe that’s because China executes more than anybody else.

@Brett – I think it’s a bit unfair to write ‘even Spiked Online gets it’. I know their identikit maverick stance can get a bit annoying and repetitive but actually their recent Gaza coverage has been interesting and thoughtful – and Frank Furedi has spoken out in the past against boycotting Israeli academics.

Furedi is now accusing Galloway directly of anti semitism.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24913868-7583,00.html

I think he will be sued. And I would guess that – knowing the way that newspapers work – the Australian will settle.

The same slogan was daubed on the wall of a children’s playground on Whitechapel’s Chicksand housing estate last week.

KILL Jews was daubed onto a playground wall?!?!?!

Indymedia are a classic example of becoming what you wish to oppose.

Well, Brendan O’Neil just pulled a Harry’s Place: going on about the sweaty protesters and the left and who else might be there, “teenage Pakistanis” apparently, and not really analysing the conflict at hand. What you would expect from ex-commies who, no doubt, considerable time sipping over-priced coffee.

Looking at the other coverage, that these ex-commies should be tilting Israel’s way is unsurprising; Israel’s got all the shiny modern weapons, and you know they go weak at the knees all that stuff.

Lots of comparisons with the Nazis here. Not sure all are are appropriate. What this horrible, rather nightmarish antisemitism is kicked off by is some pretty widespread killing in a poor and defenceless territory. Neither action can be excused.

You just did.

So aside from fuming on a website whose consensus views are pretty well known, does anyone who opposes this kind of behaviour have any practical suggestions as to how to respond?

In the absence of a march with placards declaring “We are all egg nog lattes now”, I am minded to contact the BBC, Times and Telegraph to find out why this is not being reported (probably in fear of being called racist and “islamophobic” and I suspect misguidedly to avoid stoking tensions further but actually caving in to threatening behaviour by religious fascists).

Perhaps I should go and stand guard outside my local Starbucks on Englands Lane (where I once messed around very enjoyably with one of the Israeli guys working there). Any practical suggestions?

So, did we get this sort of apoplectic hysteria when McDonalds was routinely trashed by anti-war protestors? When apartheid South African goods were boycotted in supermarkets? Or french goods when they were nuking bits of the Pacific.

Yes, it’s a worry. No, it is not unusual or even an especially strong example of the sort of stuff that happens to nations which run unpopular wars.

Shurely its not beyond the bounds of reason for people like Qaradarwi and Galloway to be either refused entry or arrested for thier inflammatory and hate fulled statements that they have made which have demonstratedly put the UK Jewish community and others at risk of attack.

I know a couple of people who refused Galloway entry.
And a couple more who wish they had.

Brendan O’Neills article is well worth reading.
The Spiked crew are suddenly all over this issue.
Here’s another one.

http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=3377#comment-112402

Antish, I recall during the French tests, needles were inserted into French bread in an Australian shop. It was manufactured in the Netherlands.

During the troubles in NI, soldiers and policemen could, under the rules of engagement – the famous ‘yellow card’ – shoot petrol bombers if they were presenting a threat to life and limb. I’m not aware of any incidents of this happening though, but then this was known and petrol bombing was quite rare after the mid seventies, no doubt because of this.

Benjamin wrote:
“Lots of comparisons with the Nazis here. Not sure all are are appropriate. What this horrible, rather nightmarish antisemitism is kicked off by is some pretty widespread killing in a poor and defenceless territory. Neither action can be excused.”

“The problem pro-Israelis have is that this situation, this attack on Gaza, looks obviously terrible. There is no getting around that.”

Although you write, “Neither action can be excused,” you are in fact justifying people who behave badly in country A because others are (according to you) behaving badly in country B. This way you reduce logic to barbarism.

I agree with you that “this attack on a Gaza looks obviously terrible,” and you know as well as I do who is responsible for it and for the sufferings of the people. I was going to write ‘their people’, but Hamas don’t care about human lives. They deliberately provoked until an Israeli defensive response became inevitable, they wanted it, they want death, martyrdom and propogandist advantages.

A Hamas leader with a trace of humanity in him, would have thought about the consequences to ‘his’ people and stopped hurling rockets to spare them.

As for the ‘middle of the road people’ who are shocked by the deaths in Gaza, in my experience they are still capable of reflection and it is not very difficult to get them to reason about the Middle Eastern dynamics in their entirety.

People go about raging at Israel, but express no indignation about the blood baths Hamas and friends have every intention of inflicting not only on Israel, on Jews, but on pretty much every one. Those people were not at all indignant when the twin towers went down, but rejoiced in the carnage (no matter whether Arabs went down with the towers).

I now let no stupidly anti-Israeli manifestations pass unchallenged. (Anti-Israeli is very often identical with anti-semitism). I have had offensive material removed from Italian sites with apologies. In Italy the law takes incitements to racial hatred seriously. Recently a man was sentenced for insulting a Muslim woman. I have succeded in getting quite a few people to think again. When I encounter pro-Hamas people, I start by saying, “Oh, you mean those who have gays like me executed?” and this already puts a nasty spoke in the wheels.

I’m having a Starbucks tonight, followed by a trip to Tesco’s Metro. Quickly – save me from the Zionists and their yummy Coffee Light Frappacinos!

Truculent, you really should get yourself some Dead Sea Spa or Ahava products in order to really fulfill your Zionist duty.

When were MacDonalds ‘routinely’ trashed in anti-war demonstrations? Is there a difference between refusing to buy something and blowing up a shop and home? I’m confused.

I never usually go, but I’m going to buy some coffee from Starbucks this lunchtime.

I might get myself a Venti Chai Tea Latte later on.

and stopped hurling rockets to spare them.

You know, Hamas did stop hurling rockets for four and half months, not long before the Israeli strike. This ceasefire could have been created again. The Israelis surprised Hamas by this massive attack. Bravo, you may say, but stop to consider why it was a surprise. Look at the Israeli official sources. They note that the Hamas rockets after the ceasefire collapsed were in response to the death of their operatives. Hamas did not rule out a return to a ceasefire; indeed, the ceasefire that was broken was the first negotiated ceasefire, and it went pretty well.

Look at the detail – it is quite illuminating. During this war, Israel says the rockets are the main concern, and yet, if you look at the detail, major progress was being made there. So you have to think about other issues.

No, Benjamin. I wouldn’t say bravo to any war effort. But this whole infantile game of who started? No it was you! No it was you! should stop. An effective first step would have been for Hamas to stop hurling rockets. Then Israel would not have a reason for going to war. I read today in the papers that Hamas was considering a ceasefire. One never ceases to hope…

Fabián from Israel
15 January 2009, 6:35 am

“….”” (Alberto Miyara)

My name is not Alberto Miyara. You do this only to annoy me, exclusively based on an annonymous commenter who linked me to a named person.

THIS is the kind of stuff that justifies pruning. Gene or David T, I’d really like to hear from you on this.

Felix,

Fret not, old boy. We will see what comes out of Cairo; I am sure Mubarak is passing round the finger food as I write.

‘Hamas is considering a ceasefire’ has a somewhat absurd ring to it, you don’t think? I think they are sending about five of their home made things over at the moment. I think the key issues are the other conditions.

I’m going to drink in Starbucks whenever I can now, never really did before.

Give us a list of blood sucking Zionist Nazi businesses that have targetted by the lunatics will ya, Harry’s Place? I want to give them my patronage.

3rd Jan: 20 rockets

In addition, under Article 3 the sale of land to any alien (ie., someone who is either non- Jordanian or non-Arab) without permission from the Council of Ministers became a security offense, again punishable by death.

Not specifically directed against Jews, and still it allows for:

a) a Jew buying land with permission from the Council of Ministers, and

b) a Moroccan Jew buying land without such a permission.

-and of course, they in practice differentiate between Israeli-Jews and Israeli-Arabs-

No, Fabián, they don’t differentiate, unless you can substantiate that with a specific link. Your hunches and gut feelings are not enough.

Oops, here’s the rest:

4th Jan: 30 rockets
5th Jan: 37 rockets
6th Jan: 35 rockets
7th Jan: 25 rockets and mortar shells
8th Jan: 20 rockets
9th Jan: 30 rockets (including grad 2 type)
10th Jan: 20 rockets (including grad type)
11th Jan: 20 rockets
12th Jan: 23 rockets
13th Jan: 18 rockets

Benji “I think they are sending about five of their home made things over at the moment.”

Good research skills there, Benj.

“the basic steps that have been taken in South Africa to Northern Ireland.” Whatever else you say, Benjamin, could you drop these tow tired lazy ill informed shallow analogies.
The NI analogy has been comprehensively debunked in the lengthy analyses of David Trimble and John Bew.

You with your background should know the history in SA and its distinguishable variants. Most important of which was the fall of the Soviet empire which made the rulers in SA feel their backs were no longer to the wall and felt sufficiently secure to negotiate. The equivalent might be a radical change in Iran or at least Syria, for Israel.

@David T

Nice idea to put a picture of Starbucks at the top of the page. By the way, which one is it? Whitechapel?

Look Benj: http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1055759.html

22 rockets already today, 15 of them during the hours of 7am and 8am. Oh, and look, Hamas have sent their first phosphorus shell into Israel – homemade, you say?

Pablo, the list of companies to boycott is available online. Along with fatwas from al-Sistani, Khamenei, Qaradawi and Fadlallah (Hizbullah’s favourite) calling for such boycotts.

What Pablo said at 2:09 – same here.

What a disgusting act firebombing Starbucks. It brings these people down to the level of the IDF.

Don’t you have a nose to pick, little boy?

Why not print out some of these handy cards which tell you exactly which companies to support? : http://www.inminds.co.uk/card/card28.jpg

What this horrible, rather nightmarish antisemitism is kicked off by is some pretty widespread killing in a poor and defenceless territory.

Perhaps these poor, defenceless people should have refrained from murdering Jews?

Jordanian Bar Association discriminates against Jews

It discriminates against Israelis, not Jews. Cases have been reported of Israelis being denied representation because they were Israeli. No case has been reported of non-Israeli Jews being denied representation because they were Jewish.

HB, does it discriminate against Muslim Israelis?

More smashing up shops promotion on Indymedia (and ‘it’s not racist’ self justification):

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/01/418654.html

Well, I started eating at Sabbaro’s Pizza after one of their restaurants in Jerusalem was blown up by a suicide bomber* so now I will start using Starbuck’s as well.

*The PLO have a display about this on the West Bank.

Flanker, you don’t know how many of the dead in Gaza are, in fact, Hamas and how many their human shields. Hamas also uses children as couriers and to transport ammunition from site to site.

Do Galloway for incitement!

HB you moron: There are NO JEWS IN JORDAN. Doesn’t that say more than any laws or amendments. I mean, how stupid can you be? I realize you have a thing in for Jews and Israelis, but that is just plain idiotic. Israel has more than a million Arabs, and Jordan has not one Jew, and you think Jordan compares favorably to Israel??? wake up you idiot.

SueR, going off the smash McDonalds windows after the anti-US demo has long been a popular pastime. At least one McDonalds was burned down (in Paris?) during the anti-Iraq war demos.

Has it really?

HB, why no answer? Why do you always avoid difficult questions?

Starbucks is owned by stock holders. Also they are pretty good about given their employees (even the baristas) stock options. So these ppl are literally f’n w/some students portfolio (probably there only one) or some teachers union’s pension fund. I was shocked when I say this story (and the vid).

Oh and I don’t think Apartheid South Africa is a comparable situation to the I/P conflict.

londonistan. what do you expect?

One day we’re gonna have to take stand – I’m ready.

All I can now think of is an elderly Jewish comrade of mine who has lived on the Chicksand Estate since it was built.

In his late eighties now, a lifelong trade unionist (Fleet Street printer) he was a young man when he fought at the Battle of Cable Street.

He must be sick to his weak heart to see ‘Kill Jews’ painted on nearby walls for the first time in 70 odd years.

I suggest that Everybody Who believes in Freedom & Democracy makes a trip to Their local branch of Starbucks & buys a Venti Soy Decaf Caramel Macchiato With Extra Foam ( or whatever ludicrous combination You prefer ) & drink it in Solidarity with
The Coffee Workers Who had Their workplace attacked by
Cowardly Anti-Semites .

Cheers !!!

Your all supposed to be mulling over in your minds the idea of feeding Jews and Israel to Islam in exchange for peace with your Islamic brother citizens. Are there enough Jew hating Jackals (Muslims,socialists, and tards)in Britain to float this offer?

Whose idea was it to have millions of Muslims immigrate?
Have those parties apologized?