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I loved the comment from Julia who called this motley collection of deluded brainwashed trots who are occupying the university ‘free thinkers’ I would never use that word to describe Islamists and their fellow travellers.

From their facebook group -

SCHEDULE OF EVENTS FOR SATURDAY
RIGHT NOW – Banner making

21:00 Unheard Of – Poetry and music

Twats.

I’d go to the AWL one though. But not the poetry.

It’s depressing to think I was a student once.

I must have been insufferable.

According to a report in the JC at the LSE the Student’s Union anti-racism officer was seen, and photographed, wearing a keffiyah and a ‘free Palestine’ t-shirt and proposed an anti-Israeli motion calling on the university not to “sit quietly while Israel launches yet another violent assault on the caged and oppressed Palestinian people”.
Apparantly he denies that there is a conflict of interests issue.

The ban on bringing in food “stands to compromise our wellbeing.” Aw diddums. Shouldn’t they at least go hungry in solidarity with the residents of Gaza.

Or if food is that important to them, have the sense to situate their sit in in the cafeteria. That’s what we did on one occasion at Wits SA during the Struggle.

as an ex-tab i am extremely gratified to see this. Israeli nurse, do you care to elaborate on this ‘conflict of interests’? Shock horror, union officer has political opinions.

as an ex-tab i am extremely gratified to see this. Israeli nurse, do you care to elaborate on this ‘conflict of interests’? Shock horror, union officer has political opinions.

The genius of the IDF is that they realized when American universities are on Christmas break.

Leave them alone — they’re only kids. They won’t be given a proper responsibility until they learn about how diplomacy works in the adult world. Which is what they’re now doing.

Here we go again! More afforts from the jihadi ghettoes in England to invade the establishment. At least the Cambridge traitors of the thirties had the sense to remain undercover in their cocktail suits in the chattering circles as they they undermined their country.

Oh for the popular front that led to the Ribbentrop Pact. Oh for George Orwell and ‘Animal Farm’ to expose this poisonous ‘Stop the War’ and ‘Free Palestine’ charades.

So your message to Howard Davies of the LSE is “stand firm and resist the outrageous donation of second hand library books to Palestine ! Resist mob rule by not offering scholarships to Palestinian students !Stand up for order by investing in arms firms now !” Davies didn’t “crumble”, he just was nudged by a perfectly polite sit in (which you seem to think was on a par with terrorism) into carrying out some moderate and welcome reforms, which the LSE, a very well funded and powerful institution, is perfectly capable of carrying forward

They probably didn’t want to have it in a “cafeteria” (surely they have refectories or something even more elitist) in case some hothead starts daubing coffee cups with stars of Dave and then smashing them.

(also – are Colin and King Creole actually making fun of David T-, or are they serious, I couldn’t tell ?)

Another Palestinian attack on Israel: a bomb killed a soldier today.

Expect more war.

That’s the first time I’ve ever approved of the “health and safety” police. Nice one. All those crumbs would attract rats presumably.

Anwering for myself, Ann On, yes I’m serious. Im sick to the core with these jihadi ghetto characters invading and pressurising our English institutions with their murderous Jewbollocking campaigns, and even sicker when the guardians of our institutions give in to them, instead of calling on the vast majority outside the jihadi ghettoes to help give them the kick up the backside they deserve.

Are we clear now?

Brings back heady memories of my days at Lanchester Polytechnic in Coventry during the late 70’s.

It was a closed shop, so you had to be a member of the NUS whether you wanted to or not (I didn’t mind, the beer was cheaper:-) This led to the largest ever attendance at an NUS meeting when someone proposed a sit-in at the library as a protest against something (what it was I cannot remember now – possibly grants not being generous enough). As the closed shop would have led to people being unable to work in the library a couple of hundred people trooped into the meeting and promptly voted against the motion – I will never forget the look on the face of the chap trying to organise the protest when he realised that the majority of students just wanted to get on with their work:-) After the motion had been defeated (200 against, 6 for, or something similar) everyone bar the ‘professional’ NUS types left.

My point (sorry about the rambling) is that this, and similar protests are student politics. Regardless of how important the participants feel these sit-ins, demos, solidarity campaigns and whatever are they have no relevance, and are of very little interest, to the general public – as most people realise as soon as they enter employment in the outside world and start mixing with ‘non-student’ types.

“Another Palestinian attack on Israel: a bomb killed a soldier today.” I thought we were told the Israeli operation would work in putting an end to these attacks? We were assured that this was its purpose, and that it would work. Otherwise, what did all those Gazans have die for?

I thought we were told the Israeli operation would work in putting an end to these attacks?

Obviously you weren’t paying much attention then. Sheesh.

No need to apologize, L.T.L. Even funnier than some of the comments on the solidarity site:

thats what you get when you mess with an expert in civil liberties you gutless twerps.

they’re going to haul your collective asses before a university tribunal before you can say solidarity

no. no they can’t.

hehe

Someone called ‘Nigel S’ attempting to de-person someone called ‘Edward’.

The Irie, don’t you support my appeal to have you innefable troll – along with Flanker and Benjamin banned?

I wasn’t making fun, I was making a funny.

At the heart of this is the reason I found myself at HP in the first place. My natural desire is to be on the side of students protesting. It may seem trivial or childish, but it’s an important part of the learning and growing experience, the impassioned posturing and self-importance is kind of sweet, and sometimes in some places it can actually make a difference. In principle anyway.

(It’s a bit complicated by this being a load of people who will never have any problems in their entire lives, and who will run the planet if things go according to script. Also I now feel more for those trying to organise teaching, or trying to work and learn things).

So my natural urge is to yell “hooray!!!!” for the protest and “fascist!!!!” at those attempting to shut it down. The yoga sounds like a good idea for people stuck in a room, AWL are alright, watching telly is good, I love playing music. Hooray?

Trouble is that these days, it’s all going to be a load of antisemitic cuntistry innit?

This is the bloke these jokers are up against.

http://www.law.cam.ac.uk/staff/view_staff.php?profile=djf41

I hope he stands firm – sounds as though he’s pretty well equipped to do so.

http://www.law.cam.ac.uk/staff/view_staff.php?profile=djf41

They’re messing with the wrong guy – I hope.

Cheers for the solidarity, HP!

Sorry for duplication

I thought we were told the Israeli operation would work in putting an end to these attacks? We were assured that this was its purpose, and that it would work. Otherwise, what did all those Gazans have die for?

Rocket attacks, you berk.

I don’t think the Israeli government were claiming that they were going to be able to stop all violence against the Israeli state.

Unless they’re more witless than you.

And how predictable of you Irie to see this attack, not as evidence of moral failure on the part of the people who killed the soldier, but as evidence that Israeli policies are wrong!

More of the same please.

Mark – Obviously Israel could have done much better by extending the ceasefire. Rocket fire had continued but all evidence suggests that Hamas honoured it and it was the Salafists, Islamic Jihad and other even-more-extremists that kept them up. If you expect Hamas to stop that then cheering on the mass killing of policemen isn’t all that wise.

Also: there’s no way that this occupation has anything to do with anti-semitism. There are far too many Jews involved to a bigot to stomach. We hosted a talk from an anti-Zionist Jew on his condition which you can read for yourselves here:

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#/note.php?note_id=46086067155&ref=mf

This is a humanitarian issue.

Seems to me, that it is the Gazans themselves who are at fault. having just received a battering, some of them are arrogant enough to want to show the Isreali state that they are still around, alive and kicking. They cannot have any sense of reponsibility towards their fellow Palestinians, because they are ready to chance further attacks.

Rocket fire had continued but all evidence suggests that Hamas honoured it and it was the Salafists, Islamic Jihad and other even-more-extremists that kept them up. If you expect Hamas to stop that then cheering on the mass killing of policemen isn’t all that wise.

Eh? The mass killing of policemen (how nice of you to imply that I would be cheering that on!) occurred after December 26th. How is that relevant to Hamas stopping rocket fire before that date?

there’s no way that this occupation has anything to do with anti-semitism.

Did I suggest that? No.

I would suggest, though, that the “occupation” has an awful lot to do with a witless monomaniacal obsession with Israel.

I never held that just one operation would solve the issue. I am afraid that many more operations are needed.

Did you think that the defeat in 1948 made the Egyptians ask for peace with Israel?
Of course not.
1956 was needed.
1967 was needed.
1973 was needed.

Too bad the Gazans don’t have that much time.

This is the problem, Fabian. You believe that the only way for Israel to secure peace is by crushing its neighbours. It has never worked, and if you continue like this, will undoubtedly lead to the end of Israel. The way to achieve peace is through negotiations. You need to make your neighbours love you, not fear you.

What an ignorant thing to say, TheIrie.

We have peace with Egypt because we crushed them repeatedly 4 times.

The Egyptians do not love us, and we don’t need them to love us.

I don’t think that the Argentinians love the Brazilians and viceversa, but we haven’t had a war sin 1825.

“The Egyptians do not love us, and we don’t need them to love us.”

This is the height of stupidity. Israel is a tiny little country, with a sizable and growing Arab minority population, located in the middle of the Arab world, dependent entirely on foreign assistance (the the US) to maintain, by shear force, its standing. Every time you crush your neighbours, the hatred against you will grow and grow and grow. THe only way to sustain yourselves will be to kill and kill and kill, and each time you do, the hatred will become worse and worse. This is a dystopian future you are preparing for your children and their children.

On the other hand, if you take the view that by treating you neighbours with respect, allowing them to trade with you, develop economic relations with you, your long term prospects are altogether different. You would also enjoy the support of the world, not just the US.

If you choose a future of war, then it is a future of war you will get.

“time you crush your neighbours, the hatred against you will grow and grow and grow.”

Hatred is a too common currency in the Arab world. Wherever you turn you have irate bearded men promising eternal devastation to the Yahood.

Measuring hatred is useless. Peace is possible when the costs of making war are seen finally as too high and the rewards of peace, enough. Egypt saw this clearly.

“On the other hand, if you take the view that by treating you neighbours with respect, allowing them to trade with you, develop economic relations with you, your long term prospects are altogether different.”

And how would you do that if you don’t have a peace treaty first, you numbskull?

“On the other hand, if you take the view that by treating you neighbours with respect, allowing them to trade with you, develop economic relations with you, your long term prospects are altogether different.”

Did you ever hear about the Arab boycott?

ref: “If you choose a future of war, then it is a future of war you will get.”

Wasn’t there a well known Anglo-American who said some years ago something like, “We have have been asked to choose between war and dishonor. We chose dishonor. We will get war.” The guy was also something of a Judaeophile, as I recollect.

“And how would you do that if you don’t have a peace treaty first, you numbskull?” Then get a peace treaty. It is perfectly possible. Well, the last month hasn’t helped, but it was possible.

The fact is, Fabian, 2008 showed the short term, ceasefires are the most effective way to get security. And the last 42 years have shown that long term, Israel’s strategy for peace isn’t working. Peace is not any closer today than it was in 1967.

“Peace is not any closer today than it was in 1967.”

Allow me to disagree, TheIrie

“ceasefires are the most effective way to get security”

Every war ends in a ceasefire. Or what you are saying is that a ceasfire is preferable to peace?

A question, TheIrie:

The fact that you are using a PC, which is working thanks to Israeli brains, makes you,

a. better predisposed towards the Israelis, for creating useful things that you enjoy.
b. angrier against the Israelis, for creating things that you cannot boycott as easily as Jaffa oranges.

The robes: “5. That the Senior and Junior Proctors will arrive at 2pm to take a new roll of people present. This roll is to be passed on to the colleges.”

The rubes: “Furthermore, we have already provided the University with a list of names and feel there is no need to produce another such list. As a compromise, we have voted and decided that we will provide the University with a list of the colleges of those present.”

In other words, “There may be more repercussions to our brave, brave bit of political theater than our taking heroic-pose photos of ourselves to post to a Facebook group? You were _supposed_ to simply grant us a cheap and easy victory, and then we were supposed to post about our great ’60s-flashback adventure speaking truth to a power that can’t actually, you know, hurt us.”

University students are legally adults. I don’t see why they should be treated as children, being given so much leeway as they’re just ‘finding themselves’ and going through some natural stage of rebellion. Any other adult in any other walk of life would not be allowed to forcibly occupy private property so I don’t see why students on campus should be any different. It’s not the responsibility of a university to involve itself in any conflicts that pop up just because a few students want to feel like they’re giving their lives some kind of meaning. If they don’t leave of their own accord they should be arrested like anyone else would be and expelled from the university.

Every time you crush your neighbours, the hatred against you will grow and grow and grow. THe only way to sustain yourselves will be to kill and kill and kill, and each time you do, the hatred will become worse and worse.

That’s why there’s a constant risk of the Bundeswehr rolling into Alsace, you see: the result of Germany losing two wars with France is the constant ferment of hatred that Germans feel for their neighbours.

I’m in California next week: I’ll make sure I have a quick getaway planned in case Mexico invades in revenge for a couple of military defeats.

… this seems an infringement on our right to protest peacefully …

It’s funny how the word “occupation” normally has these people forthing at the mouth, but when they occupy something, it’s a peaceful protest.

Of course, an occupation is not a peaceful protest, but the seizure of property with the intent to deny its use to its owners. It’s a form of theft.

… and stands to compromise our wellbeing.

Hmm, the Billy Bunters of the far left regretting not occupying the tuck shop, perhaps?

‘Anglo-american?’ what the…

Well Reuben, I would imagine that it is helpful if a SU anti-racism officer is impartial. It sort of seems to go with the job. Of course every person is entitled to a political opinion, but in certain jobs one cannot allow that opinion to be seen. This person may sympathise with the PSC’s cause, but my argument is that if he wanted to take part in a public demonstration, he should have resigned his post first. In a hypothetical situation in which a Jewish student is harassed by a PSC supporting student, the former would find very difficult to approach the above anti-racism officer and expect impartial treatment.
Unfortunately, incidents of the above nature are no longer hypothetical for some Jewish and Israeli students studying in British universities today.
I’m also not sure if people realise just how offensive some others find the wearing of kaffiyahs – particularly when used to cover the face. You may think that it is merely an expression of solidarity with the Palestinian people. I see it as an expression of condoning terror.

ref: ‘Anglo-american?’ what the…

Lady Randolph was born in Brooklyn, NY –also my own native village– of possibly Jewish, but more likely Hugenot lineage. Go Google her.

Cool, so on that logic the Brits can consider Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton and Andrew Jackson (to name just a few of a potentially very long list) to be ‘Americo-British’…;)

I have distinct memories of reading about student sit ins back in 1968. Some of them were in Art Colleges. That enabled some of us to learn that there were such institutions as Art Colleges.

The Irie: I see you’ve bought into the swindle that Israel is “totally dependent on the U.S.” lock stock and barrel. Unfortunately, it’s a canard. The U.S. provides Israel with $3-4 billion a year; for an economy the size of israel’s, that’s chump change; useful for buying weaponry, but hardly life or death.

It’s a pity you only read the “facts” that suit your nasty little thesis and don’t take the time to analyze them to see if they actually make sense. this one doesn’t.

Dunno if anyone’s still reading this, but it’s failed. Quite badly. In fact, it’s a complete rout.