Harry's Place

I can do this one – they are the same organisation.

http://www.foeme.org/about_us.php

Originally founded as “EcoPeace” on December 7, 1994 at an historic meeting held in Taba, Egypt, FoEME came about as environmental non-governmental organizations from the Middle East met with the common goal of furthering sustainable development and peace in their region. For the first time ever, Egyptian, Israeli, Jordanian and Palestinian environmentalists agreed to join forces in an effort to promote the integration of environmental considerations into the regional development agenda.

As of 1998, EcoPeace officially became the Middle East chapter of Friends of the Earth International, the world’s largest international network of environmental organizations.

Also check out the logo.

That was quick!

I’m intrigued by signatory number 39 to the Final Declaration of the Beirut Resistance Forum –

39. The youth Group: Fist-Fight imperialism stand together (England)

I cheated by looking up the same thing last night…

Mark, FIST is actually based in the USA. You will note that about half of the organisations down on the list as being in England actually aren’t.

So FoE effectively wants to oust Israel from the UN? Before I cancel my monthly donation I’d like to get this right.

Does that mean they are fighting imperialism with their fists?

Or does it mean they want to spread fist-fight imperialism?

Who knows!

Oh, how boring.

It’s just an acronym, and not some kind of Marquess of Queensbury-inspired revolutionary justice party.

It was seeing this “Restoring UN Resolution 3379 which classifies Zionism as racism, and ousting Israel from the UN” that made me think ‘don’t touch with bargepole’

Two major topics characterized the Forum. On one hand, the heroic resistance by the Palestinian people of Gaza and their ability to confront an intense violence and unprecedented barbarity. On the other, capitalism’s global crisis, which is not only financial but also on economic, social, cultural and moral fronts, thus posing a threat to the survival of humanity itself.

Yes, guys, let’s get our priorities straight -

First, Israel.

Once that’s sorted out, then we’ll worry about the survival of humanity itself.

FoE was one of the organisations which sponsored the anti-Israel ‘Enough!’ march in London in May 2007

Far leftists and anti-Semites masquarading as environmentalists? Whoda thunk?

Greens really are the scum of the Earth aren’t they?

Fisting?

“Greens really are the scum of the Earth aren’t they?”

More and more I’m also coming to that conclusion.

‘Scum’ derives from some possibly vital ecological processes. I do not think that applies here.

Before we start the daily hate, shouldn’t someone find out if the organisation (rather than one person who may be a member) actually attended and put its name down to this. After all, the organisation does have offices and members in Israel, doesn’t give any indication that it might support this kind of declaration on its website, and just won the Time Magazine “Heroes of the Environment” award.

Maybe email them and ask what they think?

The Israeli links page doesn’t seem to give that impression either:

http://www.foeme.org/links.php?ind=24

Yes, I absolutely agree.

Don’t be mental!

Good work.

Indicative of poor governance – letting some eejut contaminate the brand with contentious, non environmental causes, institutionalised systemic Moonbattery, or both. Regardless, they don’t deserve folks donations.

Morgoth, I thought you’d be unhappy with this lot somehow. After they blocked your plan to build a massive dam that would have flooded Rivendell.

I presume that The Friends of Middle Earth are the same lot?

Sorry.

Green Party people, scum? That’s a bit rough. I’m paid up to the Scottish Greens, though currently inactive. I share a lot of your dismay with the left and the liberal left in their collusion with theocratic fascists, although I think, like anyone with a beating heart, I feel a great sorrow for the fate of the Palestinians. That simple, human sentiment doesn’t make me anti-semitic by the way. However, I find it a bit difficult to brand my Green brothers and sisters as ’scum’. If you can post anything that indicates any hint of anti-semitism within the Green Party I would be much obliged, and I will make every effort to intervene. The possibility of headcase leftists infiltrating the party is there – it is unquestionably a magnet for some loopy people – but scum? I don’t think so.

Clearly, there are some real shit heads posting on this site, people from both sides who are saying the most appalling things about other human beings, bigots to the core, people who don’t seem to realise that there are a lot of democratically inclined people who turn up at Harry’s Place because of the reliable sources of information that appear here, sources that give backbone to the case against Islamist nutters. Stop shooting yourselves in the foot with these outrageous, and yes, islamophobic sentiments. Considering some of the terrible things being said, how the hell do you expect democratically minded members of, say, the Glasgow Muslim community to feel if they want to engage here? Or are the bigots who appear here – we all know who they are – all trolls?

“If you can post anything that indicates any hint of anti-semitism within the Green Party I would be much obliged, and I will make every effort to intervene.”

Ha ha. Try this for starters:

http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news-archive/3024.html

“The possibility of headcase leftists infiltrating the party is there…”

Possibility? Try looking at the cretins that make up the Norwich Green Party. Rupert Read being the most prominent of the headcase leftists you mention. Go on, look him up.

But then I suspect he’s pretty much music to your ears anyway. So hey ho.

As for ’scum’ Okay, if we keep banging on about that actual word, I suppose it does start to look a bit harsh. But so what? You get what was meant – stop being a pedant. That also applies to my use of the word ‘cretins’ by the way.

Conflating Morgoth and Rivendell is a grave anachronism.

Erm, I’m told.

Can i echo all this that SC’s has said: I have great sympathy for the Palestian people, and yes, Israeli children cowering in bunkers, I just don’t like the road the Far Left and much of the liberal left is going down, now particularly with SWP/STWC signing up to a anti-imperiaism document which endorses Jihads and attacks on Uk soldiers, etc. I also think allies of STWC and indeed the SPSC need to have good long look at who they are working with. I agree with SC there are some very dubious(far right?) posters on here as well as very partisan ones.

“I agree with SC there are some very dubious(far right?)…”

Bollocks. Labelling people you disagree with as ‘far right’ is the default position for certain people. You included, it seems.

I consider myself a good left-wing/liberal type mostly (if I had to label myself) but also consider the Greens to be, er, (don’t say scum, don’t say scum, don’t say scum)… not to my taste.

‘history tells us things’ – this guy Paul must be a troll. His default position is that, even where you express serious doubts about the the left’s collusion with theocratic fascists and the re-emergence of vile anti-semitism, you are not entitled to have even the slightest doubt, moral or intellectual, about Israel’s recent campaign in Gaza. And despite many of us believing that the Israelis have the strongest case and are fully entitled to defend themselves, he will not allow that the suffering of the people of Gaza is a matter of distress to those of us fortunate enough to live in peaceful democratic countries. These matters are complex and there are many contributors here who can articulate this complexity without descending into abuse. They are the ones I want to hear from. They are worth listening to – not Paul.

This guy, Paul, is precisely the type of bigot who should be blocked from this site. His mails are simply arrogant and abusive, as are some others. I will now follow my best instincts and ignore him – forever. I hope that David will do the forum a favour and block these people.

“These matters are complex and there are many contributors here who can articulate this complexity without descending into abuse. They are the ones I want to hear from. They are worth listening to – not Paul.” – Sunday’s child.

Try this. Please!

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/01/23/azad-ali-oh-no-he-didnt-oh-yes-he-did/#comments

I and the admirable Mark T. have been holding the fort alone for days it seems. Where are Nearly Oxfordian or Nick (ex South Africa) when one needs them?

“‘history tells us things’ – this guy Paul must be a troll. His default position is that, even where you express serious doubts about the the left’s collusion with theocratic fascists and the re-emergence of vile anti-semitism, you are not entitled to have even the slightest doubt, moral or intellectual, about Israel’s recent campaign in Gaza. And despite many of us believing that the Israelis have the strongest case and are fully entitled to defend themselves, he will not allow that the suffering of the people of Gaza is a matter of distress to those of us fortunate enough to live in peaceful democratic countries.”

Are you mad? Go on, justify any of the above from anything I’ve ever said – here or anywhere else. If you can’t do that – and I know you can’t do that – I suggest you shut up. And maybe apologise. Because whoever you’re describing above isn’t me.

“This guy, Paul, is precisely the type of bigot who should be blocked from this site.”

Bigot? I may be many things but I’m not a bigot. Again, I challenge you to justify this claim.

You, Sundays’s child – by the way – asked this a while ago:

“If you can post anything that indicates any hint of anti-semitism within the Green Party I would be much obliged, and I will make every effort to intervene.”

So I posted this:

http://www.greenparty.org.uk/news-archive/3024.html

Which is, I hope you’ll agree, a bit more than the ‘hint’ of anti-semtism you asked for. Yet, rather than addressing it, you ranted pompously, making unfounded assumptions about me and my motives.

Clarification for occasional readers:

The comment about “scum” was out of line and apolitical, but the poster, Morgoth, is a provocative fellow and given to such extreme attitudes. He represents only himself. no one else.

Also, Morgoth likes Cradle of Filth.

“The comment about “scum” was out of line and apolitical, but the poster, Morgoth, is a provocative fellow and given to such extreme attitudes.”

But he’s funny with it….

if you are a leather clad occultist and grown up Goth, then I suppose you need a sense of humour?

Aww shucks guys.

I would however like to correct a grave slur upon my name upthread. A certain disreputable fellow (who rumour has it wears slacks and cardigans in conjunction with brown shoes) made the questionable and contemptible assertion that I ‘like’ the popular beat combo known as ‘Cradle of Filth’.

This is a gross slur and libel.

Let the record show that I have NOT seen them more than three times in a live setting and indeed I do NOT in fact like Bucket O’Shite. Well, anything released after ‘Cruelty and the Beast’ in ‘98, that is. Before that, they were quite good actually.

Disgraceful slurs indeed.

Harrumph.

Yours, Disgusted of Hammersmith.

On a more serious note, the fake ‘Greens’ masquerading as environmentalists aren’t concerned with the fate of the planet, but more concerned with telling other people what to do. As anyone who has to suffer the witterings for the lamentable Jenny Jones, for example, will tell you, they are nothing but Watermelons, i.e. green on the outside, red on the inside.

On the other hand, the Deep Greens (e.g. Arne Naess, Sea Shepards), the VHEMT folks, Lovelock and other chaps who are actively involved in conservation, even folks like the Forestry Comission are true friends of the planet. Sod Hamas for bringing back cruxification for “morality crimes”, bring back cruxification for anyone cutting down or damaging a tree (outside of a renewable and designated crop forest)

Morgoth, 18th August, 2008 :

“If it pleases the court, I will submit my collection of Cradle Of Filth bootlegs as mitigating factors.”

On the other hand, the Deep Greens (e.g. Arne Naess, Sea Shepards), the VHEMT folks, Lovelock and other chaps who are actively involved in conservation, even folks like the Forestry Comission are true friends of the planet.

If I recall correctly, isn’t Naess one of those “self-realization” chappies who thinks that everything living has an equal right to life?

I don’t think much of that as a philosophy.

“If it pleases the court, I will submit my collection of Cradle Of Filth bootlegs as mitigating factors.”

Pre-’98 bootlegs of course, m’lud.

Black metal ain’t what it used to be, to be honest. Back in the old days……

Black metal ain’t what it used to be, to be honest. Back in the old days……

Neither, it seems, is environmentalism.

Green Farty Apologists.

You obviously have not been paying attention to what the Green Party has become since it joined in the fun in the StWC and it is not anything to do with ecology. I expect you will be campaigning fiercely to overthrow their current vicious and racist tainted anti-israel policies and an anti-semitic leadership who have hijacked your party. Good luck with that.

BTW CND and FoE are no better either. Unsurprisingly they have also been hijacked by the exact same element, often the same individuals.

Does Morgoth like “Scum” the movie? My brother-in-law was in it.

There is no FOEME Eco Peace (England). FOEME were impersonated by anti-Zionists:

“Dear Ms. Vogel,

Thank you for your email and for wanting to clear up this matter with us directly. We highly appreciate that.

Our organization is “EcoPeace / Friends of the Earth Middle East” and our website is http://www.foeme.org. We are indeed a regional organization of Israeli, Jordanian and Palestinian environmentalists working towards protection of our shared environmental heritage. And we are indeed promoting a Jordan River Peace park.

We are NOT however, “Friends of the Earth Middle East (Eco Peace) England”. We do not know who they are, and they are using our name, illegally, I might add. Notice that there is no web link to that organization in the “Harry’s Place” site. No wonder…

And of course we do NOT support the ‘Final Declaration of the Beirut Resistance Forum’, or any such document related to its message.

We are happy to be linked to your Greens Engage blogroll, and do hope that you keep us on. We certainly have similar views.

I hope I have cleared up this unfortunate misuse of our name, and again, I thank you for writing to us directly.

Sincerely,
Mira Edelstein
Resource Development
Friends of the Earth Middle East”