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Jobbik? Sounds an awful lot like Jobnik – http://falsedichotomies.com/2009/02/01/the-examined-life/

Most of the far right are extremely anti-Muslim and pro-Israel

rather like HP

“. So when a leading figure of a far-right party singles out Israel for attention, it raises suspicion of her sincerity.”

But when zionists single out Muslim countries we must accept their absolute sincerity for the well being of Muslims

I thought that was Tzipi Livni wearing the kaffiyeh for a second!!!

I thought that was Tzipi Livni wearing the kaffiyeh for a second!!!

I’m sure that’s a picture Bibi would like to have for his campaign ads.

It must be her evil twin.

Of special interest is Krisztina Morvai, Jobbik party candidate for European Parliament. She is a former member of the United Nations Committee on the Elimination of Discrimination against Women. As a member, she seemed to devote most of her attention to the maltreatment of Arab women in Israel.

Very telling. One would imagine that this by itself would make her a laughing stock in her own country bearing in mind how women are treated in countries where the followers of the Prophet hold sway.

African countries too.

In fact, most countries that are not Western liberal democracies.

And she is fixated on Israel.

“Certainly there are many ways in which Israeli Arab women suffer from mistreatment and discrimination.”

No doubt, but how about comparing/contrasting the status of Israeli Arab women as citizens of the State of Israel vs their own communities, and, then, of course, to their sisters in the PA.

As for Israel’s leftwing enemies’ comfort with overt fascists, isn’t it an old maxim that the extreme left and the extreme right ain’t really so far apart.

“I’m sure that’s a picture Bibi would like to have for his campaign ads.”

Because of the racism?

It is good that court cases are pilling on the Israeli military, soon they will never be able to leave Israel (well the US too).

‘BNP leader Nick Griffin addressed one of their rallies in Budapest’ – Still useful idiots are they?

If anyone is interested, Their ideological predessors, the Arrow Cross are covered in Nagy Talavera’s ‘The Green Shirts and the Others’, still the most compehensive account in English.

I’m sure that’s a picture Bibi would like to have for his campaign ads.

Seems like he won’t need it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/feb/02/israel-palestine-gaza-elections

And of course TheIrie ignores the main point of the post.

Irie, Flanker – you guys have to admit there is an uncanny resemblance.

I enjoy watching the left apologize for the fascists in Europe. As Walter Sobchak in “The Great Lebowski” says “Say what you like about National Socialism, at least it’s an ethos.” The left has little if anything at all to say unless you count the sound of breaking glass, so they glom on the nazi fascists they wish they had the courage to be. Personally I don’t care what happens to Europe. Let it all implode in flames if that’s what they like. You bring the lawn chairs I’ll bring the Smores, we’ll watch it burn to the ground. What’s the worst that can happen, the few survivors straggle out and blame the Jews?

I accidentally blundered into the middle of the launch rally of the Magyar Guard in front of the old palace back in Summer 2007 while on holiday in Hungary.

“Ooh”, I thought, “it’s must be some kind of national memorial day or something”.

Then I saw the guy in a replica SS uniform and somebody wearing a t-shirt with a stick-man throwing a Star of David in a bin.

“you guys have to admit there is an uncanny resemblance.”

Of course there is a resemblance, I myself had to do a double take.

That said what surprised me was Gene’s post regarding the clothing item, and in no way have I ever heard other chavistas wishing the opposition wore a kippah.

I think it cuts to the core of which side is racist IMHO.

watching the left apologize for the fascists in Europe
Evidence please!
The left has little if anything at all to say
Evidence please! Maybe you would not listen anyway?

“I enjoy watching the left apologize for the fascists in Europe. As Walter Sobchak in “The Great Lebowski” says “Say what you like about National Socialism, at least it’s an ethos.” The left has little if anything at all to say unless you count the sound of breaking glass, so they glom on the nazi fascists they wish they had the courage to be.”

Considering the fact that it was the left that toppled Nazi germany your comment might be off, lets face it how many more jews would Hitler have killed if not for the combined efforts of the left? The US and UK were pretty much observers until the war was decided (and even the US had the only center-leftwing president in its history).

more background:
http://judeosphere.blogspot.com/2006/08/jewish-academic-denied-un-position.html

http://www.ce-review.org/01/16/csardas16.html

These bastards look like the Arrow Cross.

Oh, and would someone school Fwanker about the Nazi-Soviet Pact?

OT Share: “The Holocaust is a Lie” – MPAC UK poster http://forum.mpacuk.org/showthread.php?t=40792goto=newpost

Anyone know if this can be defined as Antisemitism.

“Oh, and would someone school Fwanker about the Nazi-Soviet Pact?”

Would someone school S&A about the aborted alliance pre-chekoslovakia?

Listen boy I would crush you re: WWII so either bring it, or get lost.

Considering the fact that it was the left that toppled Nazi germany

LOL. Priceless.

“It was the left that toppled Nazi Germany.” Meanwhile back on Planet Earth…

The word “Jobbik” in Hungarian has two meanings: “the better one”
and “more to the right”. Krisztina Morvai is a well known neo-Nazi and anti-Semite (by the way she is a lecturer at the Budapest University of Science) whose main point is that the Jews are buying off everything in Hungary, real estate, industry, government, media etc. in order to make the “real” Hungarians slaves of Israel as they did in Palestine with the Arabs. The good news are that she and the Magyar Garda are on the fringe of the political spectrum without real mass support at the present. The bad news are the worsening economic situation, the ineffective confrontation withe the problems of the Roma population by the government, and the support of the far left could help them to win some legitimacy and support in the lower strata of the Hungarian society.

‘Personally I don’t care what happens to Europe. Let it all implode in flames if that’s what they like. You bring the lawn chairs I’ll bring the Smores, we’ll watch it burn to the ground’ erm….go…fuck yourself?

‘The left has little if anything at all to say (on fascism)’. Gramsci, Arendt, Orwell, virtually all of the anti-fascist movements. Yes, nowt to say. No, I’m sure…go fuck yourself.

“Considering the fact that it was the left that toppled Nazi germany”

Left? Who? Stalin? Churchill? Eisenhower? Roosewelt? De Gaulle?

Flanker you are right, all of them are well known leftists.

Maven

‘BNP leader Nick Griffin addressed one of their rallies in Budapest’

Care to reconsider ‘useful idiots’?

Left and right, faithless and faithful, we all agree that Flanker is meandacity wrapped around a void.

However the men of the international brigades realised years before their respective national elites that fascism was not to be moddle-coddled but stood up to. They were overwehlmingly leftists. It was not them who clothed the fascist menace as christian heroes or the vanguard of some great national reawakening, only backtracking when good ol’ national interest was in-ignorably threatened.

Most of the pro-Israel posters here seem to be very right wing, don’t they? Really, a straight question from me, they are very very right wing, yeah? (Okay, simplistic as well, gung ho etc&etc)
But right wing, yeah? I’m not misreading am I? No?
So how does that work, then, internally for them, mentally I mean? Is it a religious belief thing? Us against the world thing? Any critique of Israel perceived as a personal attack? Anyone any ideas on that?
And is there a leftward voice in Israel? Does it get heard on this site? Another site? Nowhere? thanx

“me here” is one of those new fangled self-described leftists who think that “left” is defined by George Galloway and by a vague awareness that there used to be leftists protesting something or other before he was born. Oh and that America is bad.

None of the crap the idiots on indimedia call left is left except, I suppose that the idea that being a shallow, stupid, ignorant poser in order to get laid has always been authentic in a way.

>me here<, you seem to be an ignorant.
I was attacked in Austria by the extreme right as part of a leftwing conspiracy (see Pfeifer v. Austria, a case I won in Strasbourg at ECHR on November 15, 2007 ) and I am an author of HP.
On the other hand I am attacked by brainless anti-imperialist’s in Austria.

Me here – I’m pro-Israel (Israeli, in fact) and left wing. I have never voted further right than Meretz. Unlike many armchair socialists, I spent most of my life actually living according to my principles in a kibbutz under a communist system.
The difference between me and the British left is that the I/P confict is not theoretical for me. It is my life, not a hobby for the weekends.
The other main difference seems to be that I do not regard my political principles as an excuse for not confronting the many difficult questions which crop up on a day to day basis when living in the ME.
Sorry to disapoint you, but the I/P conflict cannot be simply and easily catigorised into neat little boxes of ‘left’ or ‘right’. Anyone who thinks it can is doing a great injustice to all those involved.

Most of the pro-Israel posters here seem to be very right wing, don’t they? Really, a straight question from me, they are very very right wing, yeah?

No.

“Do Israel’s leftwing enemies ever wonder about such things?”

I know, I know. So far the mainstream left in Hungary hasn’t got affected by the western “left” except one of our well known columnists (also a philosophy professor at Central European University). His recent article was mostly ridiculed though, and many people pointed out how close the views expressed in it were to far-right stuff.

I once checked out the website of Jobbik and found that they like to quote Robert Fisk and John Pilger.
/sigh

Do Jobbiks goosestep or do they have their own march?

Thanks Israelinuse, appreciate your comments.

‘Would someone school S&A about the aborted alliance pre-chekoslovakia?

Listen boy I would crush you re: WWII so either bring it, or get lost.’

Yeah, because Venezuela played such an important part in the defeat of Hitler. Oh, and if Fwanker read more than the ‘Boys book of great wars’ (e.g. Gabriel Gorodetsky’s ‘Grand Delusion’) he’d know that Stalin wasn’t actually serious about going to war on Czechoslovakia’s behalf in 1938 (note the spelling, troll). Furthermore, if he consulted a marvellous device known as a ‘map’, he’d also realise that the USSR could not have intervened in Czechoslovakia in any case without violating Polish and Romanian sovereignty.

And perhaps if he wasn’t such a doctrinaire arsehole who spent all his time shoving his nose up Hugo’s butt, he’d ask himself why Munich justified a pact with Hitler in August 1939. It was all about letting the ‘capitalists’ destroy each other, leaving the USSR to pick up the spoils. That’s why ‘the left’ almost got destroyed in June 1941.

Don’t debate history with me, cabron. There are adults on this net.

‘I once checked out the website of Jobbik and found that they like to quote Robert Fisk and John Pilger.’

Why does that not surprise me?

‘I once checked out the website of Jobbik and found that they like to quote Robert Fisk and John Pilger.’

Why does that not surprise me?

But would it surprise them?

Like Claude Rains’ character in ‘Casablanca’ (the Vichy police chief who was shocked to discover evidence of gambling in Rick’s bar), I expect they would both profess to be dismayed.

MORVAI’s parents killed my relatives in Hungary during the Holocaust.

now she backs the terrorists of hammas that declare they want to kill my relatives in Israel.

MORVAI’s parents killed my relatives in Hungary during the Holocaust.

now she backs the terrorists of hammas that declare they want to kill my relatives in Israel.

MORVAI’s parents killed my relatives in Hungary during the Holocaust.

now she backs the terrorists of hammas that declare they want to kill my relatives in Israel.

MORVAI’s parents killed my relatives in Hungary during the Holocaust.

now she backs the terrorists of hammas that declare they want to kill my relatives in Israel.