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They need etiquette lessons.

Sounds like an Italian football match.

WTF? Why aren’t the police doing anything? Mental.

In the European mentality, the reaction to something like this is: police do nothing, and the Foreign Office goes and pressures Israel to make itself disappear so that these people might calm down.

The hatred from the pro-Hamas counter-demonstration on the night of the Israel solidarity rally outside the Israel Embassy in January was terrible. Some brought knives and bricks to attack us with. One of them burst through the barrier and spat on a Jewish boy next to me. They had screamed abuse at those arriving at the rally. Later that night, an Orthodox Jew was attacked nearby by two men wearing Palestinian campaign insignia.

PS – the stuff mentioned in my comment above took place in London, just to clarify.

Obviously, pro-Israel demonstrations incite violence and should not therefore be tolerated.

Chas – that’s highly disturbing. Was anyone arrested? What am I saying? Of course nobody was arrested.

“Thankfully, we don’t live in Malmo, Sweden: where pro-Hamas demonstrators repeatedly launched rockets and bangers into the pro-Israel crowd.”

Thankfully you dont live in Gaza where Israel barbarians blockaded starved and killed 1317 Palestinians including 419 children & 108 women and injured 5340.

Yet no mention from Searchlight about this and other far right actions.

But for the Hamas attacks, the borders to Gaza would never have closed, not the strikes on Hamas taken place.

Obviously, pro-Israel demonstrations incite violence and should not therefore be tolerated.

They say the same thing about appearences by Geert Wilders.

In order to remain tolerant and open to cultural and religious diversity, the personnal security of Jews may be sacrificed, and the basic civil rights and of gays, women and many others could and should be whittled down until love and peace reign in the valley.

It’s called democracy, you know!

The other videos in that Youtube group show more footage. Very chilling. To be fair, it does look like the police did (eventually) do something, such as (trying to) block off the anti-Israel protest behind a small flanking of police horses.

Good to see that lots of kids were present to learn how to vent hatred and cheer rocket attacks on civilians.

“Thankfully you dont live in Gaza where Israel barbarians blockaded starved and killed 1317 Palestinians including 419 children & 108 women and injured 5340.”

And where Hamas’s reaction to the atrocity was to further torture and kill any Palestinian who happened to not be an obvious Hamas sympathiser!

Want to be really thankful, then thank whatever god or prophet you believe in that twats like the MCB can say what they want without fear of death, as would be the case in the countries that vomit forth the sputem they call their “holy book.”

Malmo is gone, worse than Rotterdam. The consequence if Sweden not having known what war is like for over a century, and of having touchy-feely liberal governments. The Danes know better.

Fred said:”Yet no mention from Searchlight about this and other far right actions.”

No surprise there. Searchlight and organisations like them have a total blind spot when it comes to Islamist inspired violence.

No, it is not fitting, since the pro-Israeli crowd did not return fire against “bangers” with howitzers.

No surprise there. Searchlight and organisations like them have a total blind spot when it comes to Islamist inspired violence.

No, Searchlight has a partial blind spot. They’ve reported on it sometimes.

Oh Flanker. Maybe if the pro-Israel crowd was subjected to repeated rocket attacks for 8 years then they would eventually reply. Then you could get properly flustered.

“Maybe if the pro-Israel crowd was subjected to repeated rocket attacks for 8 years then they would eventually reply.”

With Howitzers? 500 lb bombs? Surely you confuse the lawless international scene with a decently law enforcing UK. Unlike Israel the pro-Israeli demonstrators know that if they set off real to life explosives for a few “bangers” the police will arrest them.

oops this was Sweden not UK

No, Searchlight has a partial blind spot. They’ve reported on it sometimes.

Well, they’re pretty much constrained to write a report or two, aren’t they?

Overall, though, organisations like Searchlight are now part of the probleme in that they keep both the public and the authorities focused on a handful of far right individuals and organisations that are largely meaningless and marginal, thereby allowing the really dangerous ones to pass undetected.

On a certain level they actually facilitate the growth of chauvinism and intolerance.

feed me

The Swedish police appear to be standing around, doing nothing.

Good grief, Lefties spent decades complaining about heavy-handed policing of demonstrations, and now they get all prissy because the police finally adopt a gentle, hands-off approach.

Didn’t like the reference to the ‘pro Palestinian’ boneheads as the arabs.
No need to descend to their level etc.

It seems as though the Swedish police are not taking this very seriously. Does someone actually have to get hurt before they do so? Surely setting off rockets in a crowded public place must be an offence – at least against Health & Safety regulations.
Not that I think the British reaction to the demonstrations here was much better.

I wonder if HP Hypocrite & Flanker would be quite so nonchalant if they were on the receiving end of this, or even if they found themselves on a bad day in Wadi Ara…

god more crap from JP?

“Overall, though, organisations like Searchlight are now part of the probleme in that they keep both the public and the authorities focused on a handful of far right individuals and organisations that are largely meaningless and marginal, thereby allowing the really dangerous ones to pass undetected.”

is this the bloke, JP, that previously was arguing that the BNP weren’t really, really so bad?

I can understand, on the basis of that, why JP might not like Searchlight covering the Far Right and assorted racists, and their violent attacks on Muslims, for simply existing

The Swedish police appear to be standing around, doing nothing.

Symbolic, no?

As a commenter I can’t post images, but be sure to watch this video in which soldiers allow a Jewish settler to walk all the way up to where an Arab prisoner is sitting on the ground and kick him in the head, before gently removing him. Notice the soldiers’ passiveness as the felon approaches the Palestinian, indicative of the free mixing of Israeli soldiers and Jewish “civilians” in the West Bank.

Symbolic, too.

“I wonder if HP Hypocrite & Flanker would be quite so nonchalant if they were on the receiving end of this, or even if they found themselves on a bad day in Wadi Ara…”

WTF recieving end of a firecracker? yeah how could my psyche ever recover from that… Ironically a strong firecracker thrown my way* has a better probability of killing (0.05%) me than a quassam in Sderot (0.026%). Food for thought.

* assuming it was thrown my way by someone close to me and not as far away as the video shows.

I can understand, on the basis of that, why JP might not like Searchlight covering the Far Right and assorted racists,

Modernity I don’t need outfits like Searchlight to ‘cover’ the Far Right because their material, agenda and planned activites, for what they’re worth, are widely available on the web.

And do the Muslims in this video look like vicitms of the Far Right to you, or are they actually the NEW Far Right, one whose hatred is ordained by god?

I’m not too aware of the skinhead situation in the UK, but as a gay person in Canada, I don’t even think about skinheads anymore, let alone worry about about being attacked by them.

Take a look at the intense ‘neo-nazi’ hatred and anti-semitism so joyously displayed in these videos, and then ask yourself what outfits like searchlight are worth.

Every heard of Ezra Levant?

Read his website.

which soldiers allow a Jewish settler to walk all the way up to where an Arab prisoner is sitting on the ground and kick him in the head, before gently removing him.

No no no. That’s not what the video shows. Or even what the man is saying happened to him.

WTF recieving end of a firecracker? yeah how could my psyche ever recover from that

You might find it a little difficult if it went off in your face, scarring you for life or possibly blinding you.

But the odds of that are pretty low. I would have to be lying down or the shot must be perfectly timed, remember that firecrackers don’t have shrapnel, limiting their maiming capabilities, most likely detonation 50 cm or less from your face.

But the odds of that are pretty low.

Phew, so that makes it OK to chuck them at people then yes?

so, was that 4 or against throwing fireworks at pro israelis, flanker?

Hasbara Buster, your comment is incoherent. Are you justifying police inaction?

I think Flanker’s point is that its OK to attack jews as long an nobody is killed.

Similarly, if someone pulled out a gun and took a shot at a jew, so long as he misses well then no harm done. In fact if the jew took out a gun and shot back, and hit, well that would be disproportionate.

“I think Flanker’s point is that its OK to attack jews as long an nobody is killed.”

Incorrect, I am stating that you are blowing things out of proportion like usual, a weapon so useless as a firecracker or a quassam whose only real power is psychological, Is used to justify the use of real weapons that kill.

Like the redneck that justifies shooting people because they entered their property. Complete disproportion (admited by no other than Olmert)

“Thankfully you dont live in Gaza where Israel barbarians blockaded starved and killed 1317 Palestinians including 419 children & 108 women and injured 5340.” – HPhyocrite.

Thankfully. Otherwise I would have you for a neighbour. Er, you do live in Gaza, don’t you?

Advice: Next time stick to blowing up areoplanes or tube trains. Do not on any account pick on someone who can shoot back.

“a quassam whose only real power is psychological”

So it kills people psychologically?

‘largely meaningless and marginal’ – Polite notice to JP. Can I suggest this is something you know shit all about? Like the Balkans.

So what you are saying Flanker is that these rockets and other explosive devices were employed with no intent to harm, kill or maim the people they were aimed at -their aim was merely to intimidate.
Likewise your cuddly Kassams – not designed to kill anyone at all in your book -just to sow fear and panic.

And those on the receiving end are supposed to put up with that?

Maybe that’s acceptable to you, but there are many of us who see no reason to live like that and refuse to do so.
That’s the message Hamas apparantly has difficulty understanding.

Fuckers

a quassam whose only real power is psychological

So those Hamas-created corpses in Sderot are only psychologically dead, yes?

No no no. That’s not what the video shows. Or even what the man is saying happened to him.

At 0:05 a Palestinian is sitting on the ground guarded by Israeli soldiers when a Jewish settler begins to approach, unmolested by the soldiers. At 0:13 he gets to the Palestinian’s side and kicks his head. Only after he has kicked the Arab do the soldiers gently remove him.

Really symbolic.

So what you are saying Flanker is that these rockets and other explosive devices were employed with no intent to harm, kill or maim the people they were aimed at -their aim was merely to intimidate.

No, he’s saying that the rockets were completely harmless.

So harmless that Jewish tourists came to Sderot to watch the destruction of Gaza live during the very days in which Qassams were raining more heavily on the zone. They knew their probability of being hit was nil. Watch in the following Wall Street Journal video how scared those Israeli Jews were of the Qassam rockets:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FHo4OXgi5g

HB -”harmless” rockets:

28/6/2004: Mordechai Yosepor aged 49 and Afik Zahavi aged 4 -killed when a Kassam rocket hit a nursery school in Sderot.
29/9/2004: Yuval Abebeh aged 4 and Dorit Benision aged 2 -cousins. Killed when a Kassam rocket hit the street outside their grandmother’s house in Sderot where they were playing.
21/1/2005: Ayalah Haya Abukasis aged 17 -killed by a Kassam rocket in Sderot.
14/7/2005: Dana Galkowicz aged 22. A student of media studies. Killed when a Kassam rocket hit the front porch on which she was sitting.
In the interests of brevity I will not continue.
HB – get a grip on reality already.

29/9/2004: Yuval Abebeh aged 4 and Dorit Benision aged 2 -cousins. Killed when a Kassam rocket hit the street outside their grandmother’s house in Sderot where they were playing.

Can you imagine Flanker or HB trying to explain to the parents of Yuval and Dorit that their children’s deaths were only the “psychological” result of “completely harmless” missiles?

No, he’s saying that the rockets were completely harmless.

Then he really is the fucking idiot everyone else seems to think he is.

let’s be honest, neither Flanker or HB care much if Israelis are killed by rockets

so that being the case, they will try to minimalise their impact, despite evidence to the contrary

HP threads are littered with Hasbara Buster excusing racism towards Jews, contextualising it, playing it down, etc

as for Flanker, well much of the same, depends what his political bosses have told him to do PR on

Gene – unfortunately, yes I can….

I’m sorry, guys and gals, but I speak from what I see, and what I see is lots of Israeli Jews choosing to expose themselves to the rockets for the pleasure of watching the destruction of Gaza live. This is proof that, from a statistical point of view, the rockets are, in fact, harmless. If you don’t think so, please explain to me the presence of those tourists there in the middle of the war.

More people have died from Jew-on-Jew violence in Israel (street shootings between rival maffia gangs) than from Qassam rockets. Yet no one is claiming that going out into the street is dangerous. So let’s not be disingenuous. The effect of the Qassams is psychological, as Flanker says.

I rest my case…..
HB: you and your pals are a load of pretty sick cookies.

HB you are a real piece of work.

I have an idea for you. Go live in Sderot for awhile then get back to us.

and what I see is lots of Israeli Jews choosing to expose themselves to the rockets for the pleasure of watching the destruction of Gaza live.

Ah those evil bloodthirsty Jews eh HB? You’d probably be hopping up and down whining if someone called you a Jew-hater as well, wouldn’t you?

Not that this would make any difference to a completely hypocritical and ignorant schmuck like HB, but the residents of Sderot are largely Jewish refugees from Muslim countries like Morocco and their offspring.

And no, they weren’t bribed into leaving what had been their homes for centuries by the Israeli government. They fled, having been subjected to varying degrees of persecution by the Muslim majority for centuries and spent three or four years living in tents in the desert until they were settled in southern Israel. Back in the 1960s, I went to school with several French and Spanish-speaking Sephardim who were most grateful that their families settled in peaceful Canada, far from their historic persecutors. I also had a classmate who was a Coptic Christian whose family left Egypt for less oppressive western climes.

The Hasbara Buster
12 February 2009, 8:07 pm

I’m sorry, guys and gals, but I speak from what I see, and what I see is lots of Israeli Jews choosing to expose themselves to the rockets for the pleasure of watching the destruction of Gaza live. [...]

as opposed to Arabs who choose to be cannon fodder at the behest of scum like Arafat who kept his wife and sole kiddie in great luxury and safety in Paree, HB?

The Hasbara Buster
12 February 2009, 8:07 pm

More people have died from Jew-on-Jew violence in Israel (street shootings between rival maffia gangs) than from Qassam rockets.

As opposed to the numbers of Palestinians who die in “industrial accidents” i.e. manufacturing bombs or living near such manufacturing facility and Palestinian-on-Palestinian factional violence as opposed to IDF operations that are directed against “militants” using the locals, willingly or unwillingly as human shields, HB?

Sick doesn’t begin to describe what HB is, Israelinurse. Thoroghly demented gets closer.

There was a ceasefire, Hamas complied, Israel broke it. Get your facts right, please. Everything else flows from that breach. Ipso facto multi tasko &etc

Point of historical accuracy:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/05/israelandthepalestinians

Gaza truce broken as Israeli raid kills six Hamas gunmen
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 5 November 2008 14.32 GMT

nor should we forget:

“Two Israelis were killed when at least four Palestinian terrorists infiltrated the Nahal Oz fuel terminal from the Gaza Strip on Wednesday.

Oleg Lipson, 37 and Lev Cherniak, 53, both residents of Beersheba, were employed at the terminal, which supplies the Gaza Strip with most of its fuel.

IDF troops and emergency medical teams, who arrived on the scene, came under heavy gun and mortar fire.

Two of the terrorists were killed by the IDF in the terminal, and at least two others fled back to the Gaza Strip. In a swift response, the military dispatched aircraft which hit a car carrying at least one of the terrorists. According to a Hamas spokesman, the man was seriously injured. The army said two of the attackers were killed in the strike.

The army said that the terrorists’ objective was probably to kidnap Israelis to Gaza and use them as a bargaining chip.

Military sources said that the terrorists had cut the fence and entered Israel, and added that there were no signs of a tunnel near the site of the attack.

In recent days, Hamas has threatened several times that it would breach the border.

The army raised the level of alertness to level three, the highest level, throughout the Negev.

Three terror groups, Islamic Jihad, the Popular Resistance Committees and Fatah’s Mujahideen Brigades, claimed responsibility for the attack.

Mortar shells were still being fired at Israeli communities in the area several hours after the attack.”

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1207649972392&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

and

“The IDF was forced on Sunday to halt deliveries through the Karni border crossing and the Nahal Oz fuel terminal, as vehicles came under Palestinian mortar shell fire whilst attempting to transfer food and fuel to Gazans, reported Israel Radio.

Police said that approximately 50 trucks of supplies were forced to turn back as a result of the barrage.

Meanwhile, Hamas has started using police cars to ferry around Palestinians because of severe fuel shortages.

Orange stickers reading, “We are ready to drive you for free,” were affixed to blue units of the Hamas-run police force.

Israel has restricted fuel supplies to Gaza in an attempt to pressure Palestinian terrorists to halt their rocket barrages at nearby Israeli communities.

Although Hamas complains bitterly about fuel shortages, it is widely believed that it has hoarded supplies for its own use – especially now that it is offering its vehicles to ferry people for free. ”

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1209627007298&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter

both in 2008, there’s probably a lot more

Historical accuracy and Guardian in the same sentence! That’s a laugh.
Fact: the ‘ceasefire’ began on June 19th 2008 and ended on December 18th.
Throughout the month of June 235 rockets were fired by Hamas on Israel. From July until October 2008 a total of 40 rockets were fired on Israel. Hardly a ceasefire!
On November 4th Israel discovered the tunnel dug by Hamas which by its own admission was aimed at kidnapping more Israeli soldiers. Israel responded.
In november 2008 193 rockets were fired upon Israel and in december (up to the 27th) 370.
Throughout the entire 6 months of the ceasefire Hamas stockpiled more powerful rockets.
So you see, Me Here, it is you who need to get your facts right please. The ‘ceasefire’ actually never was.

Another thing, Me Here -
You seem to need to get more of a grip upon the semantics surrounding the ceasefire you tout above.
Although translated in the West into ceasefire, the actual phrase in arabic does not mean an agreement in which both sides lay down arms and forget their differences. It means lull – more of a sort of time-out (as in basketball) with the intention of carrying on later.
This is also what is on the table at the moment – not an agreement to stop hostilities, but a bit of a break in them. Regardless of whether an agreement will be signed for one year, 18 months or 10 years, Hamas’ eventual aim is to renew the hostilities at a time convenient to them.
Hamas declares this quite openly – maybe you should listen.

the tunnel was actually dug under the gaza israel border, which is not the same as the fence. Any state would regard that as an aggressive act. But me here holds the jewish state to different standards.

Throughout the month of June 235 rockets were fired by Hamas on Israel. From July until October 2008 a total of 40 rockets were fired on Israel. Hardly a ceasefire!

The ceasefire was between Hamas and Israel. The rockets were fired by Islamic Jihad. Hamas simply couldn’t control them, very much like Israel can’t control the Jewish settlers who beat Palestinians, uproot their trees and smash their cars.

hamas could control those whom it employed to dig tunnels under the gaza israel border to kidnap israeli soldiers. You just think they should have been allowed to continue unmolested.