A Short Story
This is a guest post by moggy (who, for the avoidance of doubt, is female)
I can’t believe he’s done it again.
Probably a good time to air my Derek Draper story.
I was about 19 or 20, and involved in Young Labour, my boyfriend Stephen was the chair of the UCL Labour society and we all believed that Blair would usher in a new era of equality and happiness and what-not.
I went to some thing in that pub opposite the houses of parliament that Dolly had set up to do with London Young Fabians and I was chatting to him afterwards. Stephen had left. Suddenly he changed the topic of the chat from the state of the NHS in London to a stream of total filth about what he would like to do to me. I was flattered, actually. I was young and no one had ever said such dirty things before, especially not so unexpectedly. I was turned on, I admit it.So I agreed to meet him at his flat.
I know this is bad and slutty behaviour and was totally unfair to lovely Stephen (who was younger and fitter and much better looking than Draper – I later found out Draper agreed with me but that’s later…) and I am not saying I come out of this looking good.
During the time between meeting him and the date of our assignation I started to learn more things about him. It turned out that I hadn’t turned his head, and he said these sorts of things to anyone, male or female, he spent 5 minutes with who he found even vaguely attractive.
My pride was hurt. I thought I was special. I thought he had fallen madly and deeply in lust with me and I was cross to discover that he did that to all the girls (and boys) and also I found out that he liked his then girlfriend Charlotte Raven (hatchet faced Myra Hindley lookalike) to tie him up and call him a naughty little boy.
So I hatched a plan.
I told Stephen all about the dirty talk and how he wanted to get me into his flat (actually, no, he wanted to take me to the Atlantic first because he’s such a naff, arriviste northern monkey he thought that was classy) and I suggested we nip his political career in the bud by me going round to his flat, cooking for him, seducing him, tying him up with all the chains in his drawers, maybe having some drug paraphanalia around (he was a massive coke fiend then) and taking loads of polaroids.
It couldn’t fail.
It failed.
I arrived at his front door before him, he was on the way back from conference. Peter Mandelson dropped him off – we were introduced, it was very surreal. I had bought fillet steak and stuff because I was cooking and I said I had everything bar condiments, Mandleson made a rubbish ‘condoms’ joke and left.
We got in and Derek listened to his answerphone messages. One from a very exitable bloke saying his new paperback was out – I didn’t realise this was his drug dealer (I was young) saying he had lots of coke, then there was another one from another excitable type to say that he’d arranged a photo shoot for Lord Litchfield to take an iconic group shot of all the Blair Babes.
He had nicked 3 bottles of Champagne from Tony Blair’s hotel bedroom so we started to get stuck in. A bit later we sort of moved into the bedroom, he showed me his bottom drawed full of whips and chains, it was pretty impressive (his life sized cardboard cutout of John Kennedy was just a bit weird) – but then he locked the front door from the inside and hid the key. This wasn’t part of my cunning plan and I got a bit nervous. He asked me why I was bothered and looked out of the window.
This is where it all descends into complete farce.
Stephen was standing outside and Derek turned to me and said ‘what’s your boyfriend doing outside?’. There wasn’t much I could say. “I’m going out to talk to him” he said.
He went outside.
Stephen gave him a bit of a kicking. They came back.
Now it gets even stranger – we all made up and had a really nice evening, no really. Unfortunately there was only enough steak for two people but I cut a little bit off both of them so we could all have some. Stephen and I slept in his flatmate’s bed and we left in the morning all smiles.
I did take one polaroid of him but he was standing up, fully clothed and just looking a bit surprised.
He thought he looked good in it though, so I let him keep it.
UPDATE
I have already said that I behaved like a stupid slut, and I was quite open about why I got annoyed and wanted to do him over, so to all these people going “well I think she comes out this looking awful” or “what a stupid slut” or “I deduce that she tried to stitch him up because of sour grapes” – I say “I KNOW – I already said that”.
And to those who think it is made up, I mean seriously – how could you make something like that up? Why would you make something like that up? I had a bloke from Private Eye ring me up because the story had got out (I was never exactly discreet) – I think somone told John Prescott’s son. The man from Private Eye said that the Sun had the story and were going to run it and would I like to do a spoiler with them. I said no so they ran it blind and got it mostly wrong.
Here’s a quote from a Guardian piece about him on his wikipedia page :
“Private Eye published a story about a “member of Blair’s kitchen cabinet” getting involved in threesomes, bondage and cocaine. They called him “Mr X” but the euphemism was quite unnecessary. In the Blairs’ suite at party conference, Cherie greeted Derek with a knowing smile, “Ahh, look who it is – Mr X.’”
It’s about what happened that night, but there wasn’t a threesome – in fact again, if you read what I’ve written I didn’g go any further than snogging him – but when Charlotte Raven heard about me she did get me on the phone and ask me if I would like to have a threesome with them. I said no.
I can’t say I regret being such a twit. I think young people should do daft things, and I still think the story is hilarious.
I can say with my hand on my heart that I learned absolutely nothing from the experience.
Comments
| 11 April 2009, 9:51 pm |
If the man is a masochist, he must be having a great weekend.
| 11 April 2009, 9:52 pm |
I do not want to hear anybody use the neolygsm, ‘Islamocraven’ again. It makes you look like a loon.
I also don’t want to see any discussion of ‘Islamocravenness’
| 11 April 2009, 9:59 pm |
Poor Kate Garaghty! And, she seems such a nice woman on the GMTV sofa. Very proud of their baby.
| 11 April 2009, 10:02 pm |
“actually, no, he wanted to take me to the Atlantic first because he’s such a naff, arriviste northern monkey he thought that was classy”
Good heavens, the barbarity of the provincials! How fortunate that you are a Socialist and accept the foibles of these poor unfortunates.
| 11 April 2009, 10:08 pm |
David, could I also suggest that Field’s attempts to crow-bar in the fluffy-haired pal of Belgian fascists are pruned?
| 11 April 2009, 10:23 pm |
naff, arriviste northern monkey
This is extremely offensive and I can’t imagine you’d get away with substituting a nationality for ‘northern’ without cries of ‘racist’…
Are you Mrs Lula ‘Mestizo’ de Silva?
| 11 April 2009, 10:25 pm |
DavidT – Then please suggest a suitable adjective for a party which (with a few honourable exceptions such as Blears) is under the thumb of the Islamist/SWP alliance
| 11 April 2009, 10:27 pm |
Neil D. –
Why? You appear to be positioning yourself as an opponent of smear tactics.
Yet you couldn’t even be bothered to defend your smear of Wilders.
I think such a disregard for a fellow democrat under sentence of death by a violent totalitarian movement is to say the least suspect.
I don’t care if I’m banned by the way Alec – that would simply prove how ludicrous the Harry’s Place slogan has become.
| 11 April 2009, 10:32 pm |
I do not want to hear anybody use the neolygsm, ‘Islamocraven’ again. It makes you look like a loon.
Well I think it’s rather good, even apt in certain circumstances – Red-Ken and Green-Qaradawi rather spring to mind. But do please clarify David, is this a humble view sent into the ether or yet another of those edicts?
| 11 April 2009, 10:36 pm |
Islamocraven would be a fine name were the Cypriot cigarettes be sold in, say, Lebanon or (even better, as a symbol of reconciliation) in Turkey. As a political term it’s… so naff even Dolly Draper would think it a bad idea.
| 11 April 2009, 10:54 pm |
Islamocraven?
Funny, I’d never have put you down as an islamocravennessphobe.
| 11 April 2009, 11:00 pm |
I don’t care either if you’re banned, Field. However, I didn’t suggest you should be… only that your childish attempts to introduce to any thread the man who hob-nobs with Belgian fascists.
| 11 April 2009, 11:01 pm |
I seem to have racked up three censored posts this evening. This could be the fourth. So much for the HP slogan.
Anyway I agree with Nick SA – Islamocraven is quite a good antidote to Islamophobic.
Other possibles:
Shariah-pliant.
Mecca-Checker
Koranophile
| 11 April 2009, 11:14 pm |
Back on the topic of the post, I do hope you realise it is an anonymous smear at Derek Draper: the author is identified only by a unknown pseudonym. It is potentially actionable in several aspects.
I am surprised to see such a post here. It strikes me as problematic (to use a polite word) to denounce anonymous smears and then to post one yourself, however much you do not like the target or think he deserves the attack on his reputation.
| 11 April 2009, 11:23 pm |
Being a naive and trusting soul, who wouldn’t know the Labour Young Fabians from the Fine Young Cannibals, and who was initially fooled by both Dave Dudley and Poplar City Technology College, I trust this is another spoof post. Surely? If not, then Derek Draper needs to see a vet, pronto.
| 11 April 2009, 11:36 pm |
an anonymous smear at Derek Draper: the author is identified only by a unknown pseudonym. It is potentially actionable in several aspects.
You could well be right, but what I find remarkable is that you suggest it. The idea that everything we say in Britain these days is reduced to how more or less ‘actionable’ (what an awful term) it is, is terribly sad. That you can be extradited for saying such and such or arrested for saying something else.
It used to be that you took care if you smelt bacon to watch what you had to say, but now one has to cast a watchful eye over one’s shoulder in case some cad takes umbrage and tells tales.
The days of duelling were far more honourable.
| 11 April 2009, 11:41 pm |
As a matter of fact I took it from Conan Doyle – the conclusion of “A Case of Identity” in “The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes”.
(SPOILER ALERT – in this story it is said by the culprit that his behaviour is not actionable; Holmes agrees, but then attempts to horsewhip the culprit instead. What Boris Johnson might call a ‘Homeric code of honour’, I suppose.)
| 11 April 2009, 11:45 pm |
While we are on the subject of smears, didn’t David Cameron’s wife share a flat with a member of the druggie rap-act Massive Attack?
| 11 April 2009, 11:48 pm |
trip hop isn’t rap. (Massive Attack)
Aren’t ‘acts’ involved in show business?
The Times
“McBride goes on to suggest that the website should spread rumours that pictures exist of Osborne “posing in a bra, knickers and suspenders” and “with his face ‘blacked up’ ”.
“He wouldn’t be the first student to do some cross-dress-ing at university…”
Why was Tony Blair called Antonia again?
| 12 April 2009, 12:02 am |
Mark –
Thanks for the clarification. Rap was the closest I could get. I knew it wasn’t drum and bass. Can’t remember who it was she shared with. Might have been the Faithless bloke (he’s good by the way). BUt not sure.
The Osborne smear is a good one. As in effective. People are going to believe that one. But they won’t like the Cameron smears. Bad timing after the death of his child. Bit like “burying bad news”.
By the way, Brown and Co are compounding the error by trying to smear Guido F.
Brown – what was the term? psychologically defective?? – does not seem to understand just how serious this one is. The fact that McBride is trying to get away with a non-apology is particularly damaging. People don’t like that. They can also see (a) he’s NOT a juvenile or a pretty female and (b) he IS (or was) a senior adviser to our PM.
| 12 April 2009, 12:23 am |
Field,
Yet you couldn’t even be bothered to defend your smear of Wilders.
As I remember it Field, you suggested I had smeared Wilders by not attacking someone else’s opinion of him.
| 12 April 2009, 12:38 am |
The tale told by Moggy is worthy of Penthouse Forum of blessed memory. Well done! Really top-shelf-of-the-newsagent’s! Got any more, Moggy?
Is *field* working in advertising? Mecca-checka is brilliant, although it OUGHT to be Makkah-checka or Madinah-hyena, maybe [?]
Is this an online Creative Writing class? The Taffy of Canterbury is a well-known Shariaphile. To refer to the “the Shariaphilic tendency” of certain journalists and politicians is a neat expression, and for that matter so is Mosque-whipped [as in 'pussywhipped," an American term used to describe a certain kind of cowed male in a majority-female workplace.]
My goodness, I’m proud to run with such an avant-garde crowd, believe me!
| 12 April 2009, 12:58 am |
Why can’t DC be this much fun?
Time to immigrate, I think.
| 12 April 2009, 1:01 am |
articles like this make me think that this blogsite is just some naff gossip column for about 5 cleeky arseholes who have all told each other this same story on the phone already, I have never heard of the subject of this story and after I wikipediad his name i found out that’s because he’s a nobody.
The thing i regret most is that i actually wasted part of my life reading it and even more writing this comment, this after an article criticising labour for wanting to smear tories really classy HP
| 12 April 2009, 1:01 am |
Dear Lord, this is a heck of a thing to read on an early Sunday in Sydney Oz. We were all young once, but how many of us were ever as stupid as this snotty and undeservingly righteous bint? You were the one in Draper’s bedroom – and now you’re out of the woodwork about it. Stay classy. Urgh.
| 12 April 2009, 1:03 am |
BC –
At least Moggy won’t have caused the pages to stick together here!
Well, not unless you’ve been printing off!!
Mo-whipped?
Talking of whips, I was going to say apropos Moggy’s story:
“Sticks and stones may break my bones,
But whips and chains will certainly damage my political career.”
| 12 April 2009, 1:07 am |
WB –
I think a lot hinges on just how attractive Moggy is/was.
We might find it in our hearts to forgive her indiscretion if she were seriously hot.
| 12 April 2009, 1:10 am |
an anonymous smear at Derek Draper: the author is identified only by a unknown pseudonym. It is potentially actionable in several aspects.
You could well be right, but what I find remarkable is that you suggest it. The idea that everything we say in Britain these days is reduced to how more or less ‘actionable’ (what an awful term) it is, is terribly sad. That you can be extradited for saying such and such or arrested for saying something else.
And I find it sad that being described as possibly a bisexual who isn’t exclusive to his girlfriend and has the wit to excite women with a short conversation is considered a smear.
| 12 April 2009, 1:12 am |
I would say that from this article he stands accused of being interesting.
| 12 April 2009, 5:28 am |
Moggy, what is your charge against this guy anyway? Are you simply shocked and appalled by his drug habit (which is the only crime of his that you reveal here) or was your nose put out of joint because when you first agreed to engage in the S&M session and cheat on your boyfriend you thought you were special to him? Aren’t you in fact lucky that he didn’t press charges against your boyfriend for the kicking?
It’s interesting to see how the vermin swimming in the cesspool of sleaze politics and careerist hatchet jobs point their moralizing fingers while blissfully unaware of the coat of slime dripping from them.
| 12 April 2009, 6:46 am |
“There Is No Place in Politics for the Dissemination or Publication of Material of This Kind” (C) Gordon Brown.
Lovely.
| 12 April 2009, 7:02 am |
“There Is No Place in Politics for the Dissemination or Publication of Material of This Kind” (C) Gordon Brown.
I assume he’s talking about the Lisbon Constitution Treaty…er Constitutional Treaty?
| 12 April 2009, 7:15 am |
Can I still say “johncraven”?
| 12 April 2009, 7:44 am |
It’s interesting to see how the vermin swimming in the cesspool of sleaze politics and careerist hatchet jobs point their moralizing fingers while blissfully unaware of the coat of slime dripping from them.
If I may be forgiven a Blackadderism: the ability of some commenters to miss the point, when it is standing a foot in front of them wearing a t-shirt reading “I AM THE POINT”, patiently explaining to them exactly what the point is, and pointing a pointy thing, never fails to bemuse and amuse me.
| 12 April 2009, 7:46 am |
Assuming Moggy is telling a reasonably true story, then sure it’s actionable, but Draper loses in every conceivable way by taking action.
I kinda like islamocraven.
At school in the very early fifties, food was provided be a company called Mecca; it was of course called meccamuck, a word that could get you seriously damaged these days.
As to whips and chains…………………..thought that was as british as cucumber sandwiches…………
| 12 April 2009, 8:03 am |
It is a rather sweet story
I can’t see anything ‘actionable’ in it!
| 12 April 2009, 8:19 am |
If I may be forgiven a Blackadderism: the ability of some commenters to miss the point, when it is standing a foot in front of them wearing a t-shirt reading “I AM THE POINT”, patiently explaining to them exactly what the point is, and pointing a pointy thing, never fails to bemuse and amuse me.
Good for you. He’s a scumbag, she’s a scumbag. They’re all scumbags.
| 12 April 2009, 8:25 am |
I just realised: Armando Iannucci and chums must be rubbing their hands in glee that all this comes out just as ‘In The Loop’ goes on general release.
Or are they actually dismayed that once again reality proves to be sadder, sleazier and more absurdly shambolic than comedy?
| 12 April 2009, 8:49 am |
I’ll just wait in the street while the horrid coked up motormouth tries to get his leg over you.
Just one thing to clarify, what’s I cut a little bit off both of them so we could all have some.
A euphemism for?
| 12 April 2009, 8:56 am |
Are (presumably attractive) 19 year old women really that gormless and suggestible ? In addition to the apparently limitless expenses no wonder people are keen on becoming politicians. Good on old Dolly for making hay I say. I detect no revulsion other than hurt feelings.
Nevertheless the story sounds as truthful to me as your average MP’s aforementioned expense claims.
| 12 April 2009, 9:38 am |
Haster: ‘It used to be that you took care if you smelt bacon to watch what you had to say’
More of this please
| 12 April 2009, 10:01 am |
David T, stories like this have a place – but I’m not sure that here is the right one. If I choose to, I too can read NOTW, Guido, etc.
| 12 April 2009, 10:11 am |
trip hop isn’t rap. (Massive Attack)
It is crap though. As is MA. Both employ rappers, MC’s declaiming their wealth and power over the ‘hood’ (if ever-so-tastefully with string arrangements in MA’s case) whilst claiming, through trite polemic, to speak for the communidee.
Back on topic: pass the popcorn! I’m minded of rats eating their own.
| 12 April 2009, 10:19 am |
The moral must be beware of students bearing fillet steak… What are students doing with fillet blooming steak? That’d have been my student food budget for a week. Perhaps safe to conclude these labour hacks and I have very different backgrounds.
| 12 April 2009, 10:53 am |
I am surprised to see such a post here. It strikes me as problematic (to use a polite word) to denounce anonymous smears and then to post one yourself, however much you do not like the target or think he deserves the attack on his reputation.
Exactly. Shouldn’t you be flogging this little anecdote to News of the World sweetie? (Moggy, bless, how cute). I’d hate to think you weren’t being paid for your boasting.
girlfriend Charlotte Raven (hatchet faced Myra Hindley lookalike) to tie him up and call him a naughty little boy.
Now that should really get you a nice little regular column slagging off any female that crosses your path for her cellulite or what have you. You go girl!
he wanted to take me to the Atlantic first because he’s such a naff, arriviste northern monkey he thought that was classy
Though I would definitely drop that slightly snobby tone if you want the News of the Screws to give you that column. And people might start guffawing about you being the arbiter of good taste or what have you.
It is a rather sweet story .
This blog really is turning into the toubeloid.
| 12 April 2009, 10:59 am |
This has got to be a spoof, right? We all know that young women can be shallow, fickle, and self-serving … but as much as this? Holy Christ. And what the hell is it doing on Harry’s Place?
| 12 April 2009, 11:08 am |
I agree with others who say, if true, this is:
[*] An admission of impulsive cheating on her b/f with an unknown quantity. I hope contraception was used;
[*] Potential admission of attempting criminal entrapment;
[*] B/f, whilst engaged in the previous point, proceeds to commit assault and battery.
(From a personal point of view, any 19 year old I fancied when I was 19 and not-19 would most certainly have *not* be flattered by smut from pervy old man.)
| 12 April 2009, 1:08 pm |
As my post today on the third estate suggests the blogosphere in general is geared towards anonymous smearing. Worth thinking about before we get on our high horses.
| 12 April 2009, 1:43 pm |
the man who hob-nobs with Belgian fascists
All I could find on the subject (and I’m Dutch) are two Wilders interviews in Haaretz, 11 months apart.
January 11, 2008:
PVV detractors call it a xenophobic entity, drawing parallels between Wilders and Jean-Marie Le Pen in France. Wilders says PVV will never associate itself with xenophobic parties abroad.
“Vlaams Belang in Belgium has a history of anti-Semitism. They have since stopped making these sounds, and some say it’s to court Jewish voters concerned with Islam,” Wilders says about the far-right Flemish party.
And December 18, 2008:
Wilders also revealed that if his Party for Freedom – which occupies nine of the Dutch parliament’s 150 seats – runs in European parliamentary elections, he may join Vlaams Belang to form a larger right-wing bloc. Wilders had previously said he would not consider such an alliance.
Belgium’s Jewish leadership has boycotted Vlaams Belang, citing its “strong anti-Semitic characteristics,” and in an interview with Haaretz last year, Wilders cited this in explaining his decision to distance himself from the party.
But now, he said, “there are different sounds coming from Vlaams Belang. Some people say they have changed, even from the Jewish community.
“That they have changed their tune. Others say they haven’t. I have to look into it and talk to people and study it more. I’m not saying it is impossible.”
However, he added, “we will not ally ourselves with parties like that of France’s Jean-Marie Le Pen.”
I wouldn’t call that hobnobbing with Vlaams Belang. Mr Wilders seems to prefer factual investigation over hearsay and propaganda. And I trust that he has found by now that, under its public façade, the rank and file of Dewinter’s party is deeply racist and antisemitic. I would be bitterly disappointed if any kind of alliance between PVV and VB were to be formed. But I don’t expect this to happen.
| 12 April 2009, 2:06 pm |
Thanks Dutch Boy.
Even assuming he did make such an alliance I think it is highly questionable that an elected democrat under sentence of death from a violent totalitarian movement should be refused entry to this country. He might be wrong in those circumstances, but the Voltairian principle should apply unless there is proper evidence that he has come here to stir up hatred. Exposing the totalitarian nature of Islam is not the same as stirring up hatred, even though it might result in some people feeling hate for Wilders and others feeling negative towards Islam.
If we are going to be so thin-skinned as to not allow any controversial opinions to be aired then we are witnessing the death of free speech.
| 12 April 2009, 2:39 pm |
It is crap though. As is MA. Both employ rappers, MC’s declaiming their wealth and power over the ‘hood’ (if ever-so-tastefully with string arrangements in MA’s case) whilst claiming, through trite polemic, to speak for the communidee.
That is without exception the single most embarrassing paragraph I have ever read in my entire life.
I’m tempted to start a new topic on Harry’s Place Arts just for you to expand on your theories about Massive Attack, Infradog. What do you say?
| 12 April 2009, 3:49 pm |
Reading these comments, I’m not enjoying seeing my opinion of Brits confirmed – every bit as uptight as I expect. Americans aren’t much better btw. But still, it is a bit disheartening.
| 12 April 2009, 4:07 pm |
Uptightness with a rich seam of misogyny running through it for the most part, too, Josh.
But you don’t really think you can count HP commenters as representative of the British population at large, do you?
| 12 April 2009, 4:19 pm |
But you don’t really think you can count HP commenters as representative of the British population at large, do you?
Why not? I mean this isn’t about the usual topics.
| 12 April 2009, 5:10 pm |
…with a rich seam of misogyny running through it…
Yeah, Americans hate men and male sexuality. Brits seem more even handed and despise humanity as a whole as far as I can tell.
| 12 April 2009, 5:11 pm |
What a bazaar thread.
| 12 April 2009, 6:02 pm |
“Are (presumably attractive) 19 year old women really that gormless and suggestible ?”
Some are. This one sure is. And that’s just Muggs.
| 12 April 2009, 6:05 pm |
Dutch Boy -
The orthodoxy here is that Wilders is “racist”. If you point out that this is nonsense, you are a marked bunny.
| 12 April 2009, 7:37 pm |
I have already said that I behaved like a stupid slut, and I was quite open about why I got annoyed and wanted to do him over, so to all these people going “well I think she comes out this looking awful” or “what a stupid slut” or “I deduce that she tried to stitch him up because of sour grapes” – I say “I KNOW – I already said that”.
And to those who think it is made up, I mean seriously – how could you make something like that up? Why would you make something like that up? I had a bloke from Private Eye ring me up because the story had got out (I was never exactly discreet) – I think somone told John Prescott’s son. The man from Private Eye said that the Sun had the story and were going to run it and would I like to do a spoiler with them. I said no so they ran it blind and got it mostly wrong.
Here’s a quote from a Guardian piece about him on his wikipedia page :
“Private Eye published a story about a “member of Blair’s kitchen cabinet” getting involved in threesomes, bondage and cocaine. They called him “Mr X” but the euphemism was quite unnecessary. In the Blairs’ suite at party conference, Cherie greeted Derek with a knowing smile, “Ahh, look who it is – Mr X.’”
It’s about what happened that night, but there wasn’t a threesome – in fact again, if you read what I’ve written I didn’g go any further than snogging him – but when Charlotte Raven heard about me she did get me on the phone and ask me if I would like to have a threesome with them. I said no.
I can’t say I regret being such a twit. I think young people should do daft things, and I still think the story is hilarious.
I can say with my hand on my heart that I learned absolutely nothing from the experience.
| 12 April 2009, 7:42 pm |
EdwardT @ 11 April 2009, 10:25 pm
“DavidT – Then please suggest a suitable adjective for a party which (with a few honourable exceptions such as Blears) is under the thumb of the Islamist/SWP alliance”
That party was called RESPECT and the remains of it still are.
| 12 April 2009, 8:08 pm |
I see we’re hosting nutters corner in this thread, tonight
| 12 April 2009, 8:17 pm |
The Daily Express (6 April 2009) presciently analyses Draper’s aura:
“It’s interesting to find so much blue in your aura. This indicates excellent written and verbal communication skills but can also be indicative of someone who is unable to face the world. Obviously communication is important to your job but you are much better at written skills than talking to others. On a personal and emotional level you are quite shy and a bit hesitant about expressing what you feel. You often hold on to your anger or upset until it comes flooding out all at once,”
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/93570/Can-my-aura-really-reveal-the-future-
| 12 April 2009, 9:57 pm |
I can’t say I regret being such a twit. I think young people should do daft things, and I still think the story is hilarious.
tell them to go fuck themselves Mogg (and then bathe happily in the glory of showing how normal life is never reflected in the comments boxes of political blogs.)
| 12 April 2009, 9:58 pm |
What a bazaar thread.
and yet…no home made jam at all…
| 12 April 2009, 10:06 pm |
tell them to go fuck themselves Mogg
Abso-fucking-lutely. I thought I’d stumbled onto the Daily Mail letters page for a while there.
| 12 April 2009, 10:20 pm |
Analysing the comments on Moggy’s story under various different headings is kinda interesting….
1. She is a snob.
•”Good heavens, the barbarity of the provincials! How fortunate that you are a Socialist and accept the foibles of these poor unfortunates.”
•”This is extremely offensive and I can’t imagine you’d get away with substituting a nationality for ‘northern’ without cries of ‘racist’…”
2. She is a liar
•”It is potentially actionable in several aspects.”
•”I trust this is another spoof post.”
3. We don’t want this sort of filth here
•”stories like this have a place – but I’m not sure that here is the right one.”
•”articles like this make me think that this blogsite is just some naff gossip column for about 5 cleeky arseholes who have all told each other this same story on the phone already,”
4. She is a whore; are all women really whores as well?
•”You manage to come out of this story worse than him.”
•”The tale told by Moggy is worthy of Penthouse Forum of blessed memory. Well done! Really top-shelf-of-the-newsagent’s! Got any more, Moggy?”
•”We were all young once, but how many of us were ever as stupid as this snotty and undeservingly righteous bint? You were the one in Draper’s bedroom – and now you’re out of the woodwork about it. Stay classy. Urgh.”
•”It’s interesting to see how the vermin swimming in the cesspool of sleaze politics and careerist hatchet jobs point their moralizing fingers while blissfully unaware of the coat of slime dripping from them.”
•”Are (presumably attractive) 19 year old women really that gormless and suggestible ? In addition to the apparently limitless expenses no wonder people are keen on becoming politicians.”
•”This has got to be a spoof, right? We all know that young women can be shallow, fickle, and self-serving … but as much as this? Holy Christ. And what the hell is it doing on Harry’s Place? (scores under three areas)”
•”[*] An admission of impulsive cheating on her b/f with an unknown quantity. I hope contraception was used; [*] Potential admission of attempting criminal entrapment; [*] B/f, whilst engaged in the previous point, proceeds to commit assault and battery. (From a personal point of view, any 19 year old I fancied when I was 19 and not-19 would most certainly have *not* be flattered by smut from pervy old man.)”
5. Is she a whore I can fantasise about?
•”I think a lot hinges on just how attractive Moggy is/was. We might find it in our hearts to forgive her indiscretion if she were seriously hot.”
6. What exactly are you whining about, stupid whore?
•”Moggy, what is your charge against this guy anyway? Are you simply shocked and appalled by his drug habit (which is the only crime of his that you reveal here) or was your nose put out of joint because when you first agreed to engage in the S&M session and cheat on your boyfriend you thought you were special to him? Aren’t you in fact lucky that he didn’t press charges against your boyfriend for the kicking?”"
“He’s a scumbag, she’s a scumbag. They’re all scumbags.”
•”Good on old Dolly for making hay I say. I detect no revulsion other than hurt feelings.”
Oh Dear.
| 12 April 2009, 10:30 pm |
“I thought I’d stumbled onto the Daily Mail letters page for a while there.”
No, but here is Peter MacKay:
“Number 10 email scandal: Brown’s to blame for this poison”
Political madness gone correct!
| 12 April 2009, 10:37 pm |
re Moggy’s explanation I always think it’s rather funny that there are all around the country millions of provincial, conventionally minded Labour Party supporters but the people who control the party are the Dribergs and Foots and Drapers and Mandelsons and Whelans – people whose moral compass needles would appear rather erratic to most of those supporters.
It’s great though that the squeaky clean GMTV image has had a great pile of stinky stuff poured all over it courtesy of Draper and McBride.
| 13 April 2009, 11:19 am |
Yes, Las Locas, I do have a personal opinion. It can be separated from the potential of high risk sex with S.T.Is to consider. It can mostly definitely be separated from the potential admission of blackmail and, in pursuit of aiding and abetting such a criminal act, physical assault.
You express an opinion on everyone but Moggy. D’you have an opinion on her or are you simply taking the aloof holier-than-thou position of professional whiners?
| 13 April 2009, 11:38 am |
Alec, how many times do I have to say that no sex happened?
Oh sorry, there was the “potential for high risk sex” and “potential” for some other shit…. There was probably “potential” for me to murder him, rob his flat and shit on his rug but it didn’t happen so I don’t see why you are going on about it.
| 13 April 2009, 12:25 pm |
Ah, my apologies, Moggy. However, on re-reading the material which was available to me when I first spoke, I see something about the “time of your assignation”, which isn’t a crystal clear admission of no sex taking place.
But, even though you contemplated it (same goes my views on Draper and McBride, even though they didn’t publish), you didn’t, so you didn’t. Had you, my opinions would have been a personal choice which, had you not wished to hear, you should not have publicized this story.
There was probably “potential” for me to murder him, rob his flat and shit on his rug but it didn’t happen so I don’t see why you are going on about it.
Is this where he got the excuse for the e-mails not being published??? I didn’t suggest you’d contemplated that. I suggested that you’d considered luring him into compromising positions over what is a legal activity, and then using it to damage his career. Furthermore, you state that your b/f committed physical assault against him.
Back to what KB Player (who, for the avoidance of doubt, is female) said.
| 13 April 2009, 12:52 pm |
What does she say? Let’s see.
a). That I want to be a columnist for the News of the World.
b). That I have some sort of interest in earning money from this story.
c). That I am boasting.
None of which is even near accurate – I have no desire to be a columnist, if I wanted money I would have sold the story (duh) rather than put it here, and as I’ve said loads of times and in many different ways on this page but I will repeat for the wilfully obtuse – I was not boasting. And regarding Charlotte Raven – I didn’t realise that having a fully developed aesthetic sensibility makes me a bad member of ‘the sisterhood’.
| 13 April 2009, 1:45 pm |
Ah … some people still think that saying “Daily Mail” trumps all arguments and immediately wins the debate.
| 13 April 2009, 1:56 pm |
Women fighting!
~*stir*~ ~*stir*~ ~*stir*~
| 13 April 2009, 4:43 pm |
NO SCAT ON HP !
Some readers of this stimulating thread will have been bitterly appalled and disappointed to read Moggy suggesting – even playfully – that she could, had she so desired, have taken a dump on the naff northern oik Derek Draper’s rug [an immensely valuable 17th-Century Bokhari with hunting scenes, greatly coveted by the V&A.]
Mercifully, she did not lower her dungarees and M&S knickers and do this dreadful deed but the very suggestion that she might have done so had the whim struck her at the time has made many of us think of the possibility and, worse, visualise it as vividly as if a tusted confidante were to suggest that the Harperson was once videotaped cornholing Mandelson with a strap-on dildo at a Labour Party social gathering [this is untrue as far as I know.]
Those of us who find scat profoundly unappealing have sustained mental damage as a result of reading this vile filth and visualising Moggy’s distasteful might-have-had-I-so-desired fantasy.
We need help at once. Does anyone know a good psychotherapist?
| 13 April 2009, 4:52 pm |
The misspelled word in ‘tusted confidante’ was a typo. It should have read ‘trusted,’ as you probably guessed.
It was not a fire-new newly-cointed portmanteau* word referring to either tushy-licking or fisting in the simple past tense, interesting though the suggestion might be.
* Lewis Carroll
| 13 April 2009, 5:40 pm |
This is great stuff! Is it always like this ’round here? Consider me hooked, and please keep up all the salaciousness.
| 13 April 2009, 8:08 pm |
The funniest thread ever. It put a smile on my face.
| 14 April 2009, 7:24 am |
That was a dull read.
| 14 April 2009, 9:18 pm |
None of which is even near accurate
Well, the literal meets the ironic, with sounds of oh? really!! I wasn’t attempting to be accurate. I was being sarcastic and insulting, both to you and to whoever thought it would be a good idea to post this kind of tripe on this blog.


This is all reminiscent of the last days of Livingstone – remember Lee Jasper?
Gordon Brown is finished along with his Islamocraven Labour government.
Do we really have to wait another year?