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Hmm, I see Russia gets Alaska back.

Note: Seem to recall a similar prediction by somebody, do not recall whom, some 20 years ago that said the US would break up into separate regions something like that map by 2010.

Would not bet the next month’s rent money on this.

2nd Note: If the Deep South and Texas succeds again, they have to take South Carolina and Lindsay Graham with them!

If only !

GW

Yeah, that’s going to happen.

if the US broke up, who would the world’s vulgar “anti-imperialists” blame then? eh TheIrie?

if china gets utah, how’s the one child policy going to work out with the mormons? one child per wife?

Here’s my prediction:

The Russian Empire will break up before the United States does.

Of course the only think which will break up the USA is the Latino issue. The fatal flaw in the US constitution is it never enshrined the English language as the language of the Republic. Big mistake.

However, shouldn’t we have a special word for wish-predictions?

Predilection-predictions?

Prejudictions?

Hate-hopes?

I now know of two big ones:

USA to go by 2010

and Israel by (what was it???) 2023??? (Mad Hamas prophet’s prediction).

Any others?

My own:

Taiwan to accept re-admission of mainland China into Republic of China
by 2030 following independence for Tibet and the other occupied countries.

Field

your hang ups are showing again,

Spanish is a fine language and in many ways superior to inconsistent English, with its non phonetic structure and questionable grammar.

HP admin,

hay un problema con la lina de moderacion?

Field, you do worry about things.

Spanish is a fine language and in many ways superior to inconsistent English, with its non phonetic structure and questionable grammar.

Wht does Arizona got to China while New Mexico goes to Mexico? On what does that hinge?

Modernity Blog –

What you on about? Spanish is a fine language indeed – for the Spanish.

The fact is though that in terms of mutual incomprehensibility probably only Mandarin Chinese would outdo Spanish as spoken by a Spanish-speaker.

If you think the USA can survive as a nation of say 100 million Spanish speakers against 200 million English speakers, when it is bordered by some 300 million Spanish speakers to the South, then you are a brave prognosticator. Personally I think it would be difficult, especially as the south west of the USA was in effect stolen from Spanish speaking America by virtue of a war.

More generally history is a carve up between worriers and the wreckless. Yes, some things don’t happen. But other things do: as the residents of Constantinople will tell you, as the citizens of Zimbabwe will tell you, as Montezuma will tell you…

TheIrie
“Yeah, that’s going to happen.”

Only in Iries wet dreams.
Like a Stalinist version of the Turner Diaries.

Btw, I like how much territory Canada has captured. I knew
Stephen Harper was radical but thats still impressive.

My life-long experience with Mexican-Americans in Texas.

First generation are mongoglots. Second geneation speak fluent, if accented, English. Third generation speak accentless American with lots of idiot, avoid Spanish in high school because it’s hard.

Who knows, Mesquito, but why do you think New Mexico would go with Texas?

If the US is to be broken up, it should be into at least a dozon and preferably about 20 to 30 different countries. Texas alone could be broken up into five new countries. This way the new Disunited States would be able to experience all the balance of power diplomacy and war that Europe has had over the last 500 years and that we fat happy Americans have been deprived of.

This should be classified under “moonbats”

Who knows, Mesquito, but why do you think New Mexico would go with Texas?

I confess I’m not to worried about this. I’m sure there are weenies in Boston and places like that who yearn to be part of the EU and have an entry in the Eurovision song contest, but normal Americans like the status quo.

Mesquito, what you said about the Mexican-Americans and Spanish is the same as what has happened to previous waves of immigrants such as my mother, her siblings and their Italian-speaking immigrant parents.

About all those who think having Spanish as a second national language would be a threat, I remind you (again) that in the American MidWest from the 1840s to 1917, German was definitely an all but official second language. In many cities, there were public schools whose pupils were taught the regular classes (history, literature, art, etec.) in German. There were many books published in German. All sorts of businesses could function in German as well as English. None of this resulted in a German-speaking America. Instead it served to Americanize several waves of German, Polish, Hungarian, Jewish and other immigrants from the Empires of Germany and Austro-Hungary. All this ended with the wave of anti-German hysteria that swept the US in 1917 upon our entry into The War that Will End Wars.*

*Who coined this phrase.
Hint: It was not Woodrow Wilson.

The Carolinas and New York in the same “Republic.” This I gotta see.

Panarin is dremaing. He is projecting what happened to the Soviets Union on the US.

If any country breaks up nowadays the key question is not the lingo, rather who gets the nukes and how will they use them.

“I’m sure there are weenies in Boston and places like that who yearn to be part of the EU and have an entry in the Eurovision song contest, but normal Americans like the status quo.”

No weenies like that in my part of town.

No one here likes Europe

Jdyer: “The Carolinas and New York in the same ‘Republic’. This I gotta see.”
Agree with you on that. It is pretty improbable, to put it mildly.

“This should be classified under “moonbats” ”

Please don’t insult moonbats.

He is completely wrong. According to Nostradamus, all this won’t happen till at least mid-March 2011, in fact probably more like 16th April, and Idaho will go to Canada (Canada??? Did this idiot actually say that they’ll be part of Canada???!!).
Either the man is having you on, good people, or he is drunk.

Mesquito, what you said about the Mexican-Americans and Spanish is the same as what has happened to previous waves of immigrants such as my mother, her siblings and their Italian-speaking immigrant parents.

Sure. My mum and her siblings grew up in Norway speaking Bergen-ese. They grew up, immigrated, and married a mick, a wop, and a Normal American (my dad). My cousins are a bewildering array of ethnicities and religions, from Unitarian to Baptist to Papist to Jew.

Nearby San Antonio was a German town between Texas statehood (1845) until the Civil War. There was some ugliness in my little valley during the Great War because of all the Germans who lived here. Up the road in Knippa a legal case originated over the matter which was decided by the Surpreme Court.

Anyway, it does not really matter much since according to the Ancient Mayan calendor, the world is going to end in 2012.

Mesquito, there was some nastyness (to put it politlely) back in the Civil War in the German-speaking part of Texas around Fredericksburg because of the Germans being pro-Union and anti-Slavery.

Mesquito, what is a Normal American?

Will the world end before or after the Olympics in 2012?

Just wanted to know if it was worth trying to get tickets.

“Mesquito, what is a Normal American?”

Har!

You know, David All. One Of Us.

I know one when I see one.

markie126: As I recall from the final episode of the X-Files, it will be the end of 2012; so the Olympics will take place.

I am going to ponder on Mesquito’s definition of “A Normal American” before replying.
Good Night, everyone.

Will the world end before or after the Olympics in 2012?

Just wanted to know if it was worth trying to get tickets.

the answer to that question is ‘no’, irrespective of impending doom

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About all those who think having Spanish as a second national language would be a threat, I remind you (again) that in the American MidWest from the 1840s to 1917, German was definitely an all but official second language.

hmmm, so you’re saying spanish is going to disappear from the US because there’s going to be a war with spain?!

i think spanish is a great language. just watching an almodovar film makes me feel inferior for being an anglophone.

The Central North American Republic needs to go to war to secure a coast, attack the Atlantic Republic immediately.

Aren’t those the same borders in the RISK game?

and then the new national anthem :
Broke my heart, lost my soul
Adios,mi cora sole
Spanish is the loving tongue
Soft as music, light as spring

David All – “Anyway, it does not really matter much since according to the Ancient Mayan calendor, the world is going to end in 2012.”

Good.

The problem with Spanish speakers is not the language, it is the political culture. It is pretty clear that the politics of America are still so racially tinged that non-Whites will not adopt them. Black America rejects the ideals of Jefferson. So do a lot of Asian-Americans as Hawaii’s voting record shows. There is no reason to think that Latino immigrants will be any more prone to abandon their own dysfunctional political cultures for Jeffersonian Democracy.

As White America declines and becomes a minority so will the older style of Republican party. America will become more like Europe or Latin America. And so the Republic will die.

Unless of course something radical changes and non-Whites suddenly see the appeal of limited government, liberal economics and a free citizenry. But I doubt they will given the rest of the world rejects it.

The only borders like this could be drawn across North America is a Churchill’s Hiccup scenario.

I think Canada is more likely to break up. You could see Alberta and other provinces joining the USA. Whereas Quebec might indeed be happy to join the EU.

Personally I’m looking forward to Londonia breaking away from the UK –

Tax take down to about 25%, enhanced welfare…etc Only problem: we’d have to build a wall to keep out those north of Watford.

Jdyer: “The Carolinas and New York in the same ‘Republic’. This I gotta see.”

David All: Agree with you on that. It is pretty improbable, to put it mildly.

EV says

Look at the map, its already a reality. Of course NY fought an imperialist war to subjugate South Carolina.

I actually think if the US broke up that Canada would probably too, if states petitioned to join. Thus you would have the West Coast Mexi-Cali Demcratic Peoples Republic. British Columbia would become New China. The Western Provinces would join a big block of the US Heartland and the South and Southeast and form Jesusland, and the Northeast Corridor would join Ottawa and the Islands to form New England, and lastly Quebec would become New France.

Frankly Id be happy to disenguage with the Left Coast and the NorthEast Corridor, via seccession.

this thread sure brings out the xenophobes

Seriously though,

English is important because the Anglo literary and cultural inheritance is greater than the Spanish. The Anglo Enlightenment and British law and governance being 2 primary mind shapers that are not nearly as strong in the Spanish culture and lexicon.

This map is the product of a former strategic advisor to Boris Yeltsin, called Igor Panarin:

Is that the one who used to buy the ’supplies’ for Boris???

this thread sure brings out the xenophobes — modernityblog

I didnt know there were many French Quebecers posting on this thread.

I’m enjoying this thread. Wit and humour are the HPers forte.

I don’t think it would be easy now to manage without English as the world’s Esperanto. So Latino-Americans are lucky to have it served on a plate You can use it to communicate in most countries. It’s now called global English, which means that mistakes don’t matter, so long as you are making yourself understood. (I refrain from an opinion about this)

As a francophile, my dream is that Quebec will take over Canada and the USA.

Oh good:)

I’ll be in the country with the Purple Mountain’s Majesties, the waving fields of grain and 1/5 of the world’s fresh water.

:)

Thank goodness I’m going to be part of Canada . Free health care , and year round hockey !

Modernity bolock: sorry about the spelling. The only trouble is that that all the best democratic documents were composed in English. Because Spanish lacked the vocabulary, or the will to create it?

This story was getting a lot of coverage (in between lots of conspiracy theory and LOL the Georgian prez is a nutter! stuff) on Russia Today some time ago: which gives some idea of how credible the professor’s claims are, or likely they are to come about.

I also seem to recall Zhirinovsky prophesying something similar a few years ago

Lets engage his idea without disregarding it out of hand;

I assume the chronic weakness of the various states (which permits foreign intervention) is caused by massive infrastructure and population casualties? I suspect that such a situation could only occur in a civil war with the use of WMDs? Is this realistic? Would the US armed forces actually resort to that sort of attack on their own fellow citizens?

This would then lead one to speculate why would foreign countries want to intervene and/or get involved if they are inheriting a ruined area?

There’s always something a bit ironic about a Russian telling you your country’s on the verge of breaking up.

Panarin’s crap ignores the internal divisions inside the USA, an unlikely breakup of the states would be more likely in this way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland_map

I see that according to this China or Japan gets Hawaii.
However, one of the candidates in the Iranian presidency race has stated as part of his mandate that if elected this June, he intends to buy Hawaii from the Americans and relocate all the Jewish Israelis there, thus solving the Middle East problem once and for all.
Another of his election promises is not to give his dad a senior position and to make Ahmedinijad his deputy.
I should point out that the candidate is 12 years old.

‘I should point out that the candidate is 12 years old’.

A bit more mature than the current incumbent, then?

Hey -how else is Ahmedinijad going to get a second term?

Israelinurse – “However, one of the candidates in the Iranian presidency race has stated as part of his mandate that if elected this June, he intends to buy Hawaii from the Americans and relocate all the Jewish Israelis there, thus solving the Middle East problem once and for all.”

Actually doesn’t sound like a half bad deal. I always thought that the Zionists got ripped off not getting Madagascar. I like to think of Lubbavitchers mingling with the Lemurs while eating proper French bread with decent coffee.

“I should point out that the candidate is 12 years old.”

Aka Pitt the Even Younger? Wisdom beyond his years.

The worldwide Jewish conspiracy gets Brooklyn.

So Much -I’m not sure the Hawaiians would feel the same way!

Is that the one who used to buy the ’supplies’ for Boris???

And like with Boris, I’ve the strong impression Mr Panarin enjoys close, intimate ties to Russian Aristocracy.

Count Smirnoff in particular.

Israelinurse: The largest ethnic group in Hawaii are Japanese-Americans who make up 1/3 of the population. Japanese-Americans are the second most wealthest ethnic group in America after Jewish-Americans. Believe they would welcome an influx of Jews from Israel to Hawaii and California in order to form a super brain & wealth trust to dominate the Pacific Community of the 21st Century.

About what a post-breakup of the former USA would look like. To be realistic, should point out that several states would probably breakup as well. For example, western Penn., which is mountainous and composed of what’s left of the coal & steel industries and nowadays recreation areas would probably join their fellow moutaineers in West Virginia, western Maryland, south-western Virginia, eastern Kentucky & Tennessee and western North Carolina in an Appalachain Republic.
Florida would spilit into three separate areas. The northern pan-handle, with its southern population, would join the new Dixie Confederacy of South Carolina, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi & western Tennessee. The main part of Floridia, full of transplanted Yankees*, would become an independent republic with the capital in Orlando. Miami would become the independent city-state of Free Cuba or Cuba Libre!.
As to what could bring this into being. How about a “limited” nuclear war like in the TV series “Jericho”?

*This part of Florida is the only place where you have to go north in order to be in the South!

I wish I had the graphics and the global reach to do a counterpunch on the (much more likely) disintegration of Russia. The big question is just how much of Siberia will be Chinese in 50 years.

(pedant alert)

How much of Siberia will be Chinese in 50 years?

Very little, I’d wager. The Russian Far East is another matter.

(sorry, I always get annoyed if people think that Siberia is the eastern-most part of Russia, rather than the middle part as you go from west to east)

Venichka, thanks for the correction. I, too, thought that Siberia included the Russian Far East.

Think we can get at least 15 countries out of the break-up of the current US with separate countries for Alaska, Hawaii, Utah(Mormons), Idaho(white separatists) & Miami/Free Cuba.

This guy’s an idiot. There’s no way Texas would allow any other nation to join the Independent Republic of Texas.

And Virginia and New York in the same federation, given the choice of my fellow Virginians to leave? Not gonna happen.