Comments on: Terrorism that worked

By: Anat

Anat — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:27:14 +0000

Escape Velocity,

Your use of Nazi imagery is typical of anti-choicers, and indicative of your misunderstanding of both abortion and history.

The Nazis murdered real, living people. Doctors who perform abortions do not. Trying to smear doctors who perform necessary, if unpleasant, medical procedures trivializes the real suffering of real people in order to score some sort of debating point.

It is repulsive to those of us who live with the Shoah every day that you would dare to suggest the murders and torture of our families, not to mention the ongoing misery of those who survived are somehow no more important than voluntary medical procedures.

Sicko.

By: Anat

Anat — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:15:57 +0000

Jim wants proof that I am a human being. Thank you for proving my point. People such as Jim do not think of women as complete human beings with autonomy over their own bodies, they think of us as VESSELS for the procreation of children, and they think that the state and any busybody who wants to interfere have more right to decide my future than I do.

Forget it. We are not vessels, nor slaves, and we have a right to decide whether or not to take the risk of pregnancy without anyone else having a say unless and until we grant that say.

And Jim, I am a human being because I am born, breathing, and alive. A fetus is none of those things, and thus not entitled to rights which supersede mine. It doesn’t surprise me that you do not recognize women as human beings, but that is YOUR problem, not mine.

By: Toady

Toady — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:05:17 +0000

Anat;

A woman has the right to refuse to support a parasite

Alzheimers patients and infants are parasites too, yet we are not allowed to kill them. Should we?

Amie:

I recall a statistic that said half the women who had abortions were not using birth control when they got pregnant. I shall try to locate the link. I find it hard to believe that the 30% of pregancies which are aborted are due to contraceptive failure. Modern birth control is highly reliable.

By: amie

amie — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:18:03 +0000

John P. Your assumption that I was talking about condoms is wrong. For HIV prevention, condoms are still very effective. I had in mind the pill, which interacts with a long list of other medications and even so called “natural” remedies like St John’s Wort. I thought I was clued up on these, but just checking before writing this, I found some obscure culprits such as antifungal medication and Soya supplements taken for bone health. So if I didn’t know, what about other women? And of course, vomiting and diaorrhea negate the pill’s effect.

I also had in mind IUD devices, which are not 100% effective, and moreover if you do get pregnant on them, some medical centres will strongly advise a medical termination as where the IUD cannot be safely removed (as is often the case) they regard there being a risk of death to the mother by toxic shock syndrome, or a very bloody third trimester miscarriage. I know someone who nearly died experiencing the latter.

By: Ivan

Ivan — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:46:40 +0000

you should be yours obviously

By: Ivan

Ivan — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:45:41 +0000

Don’t set strawmen Sophia, 99% of Catholics in you family’s situation would save the mother. I know I would, agonising as it may be. The issue here is late-term abortion of a viable being. Try not to confuse matters.

By: David All

David All — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:24:38 +0000

Sophia, thank you.

By: John P.

John P. — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 15:02:11 +0000

They wanted to save the infant so he could be baptized. He would have died shortly thereafter anyway because he had serious birth defects. But they were willing to sacrifice my mother!

Just what kind of Catholics were these people.

The Church clearly states that in cases where the pregnancy will kill the mother abortion is permitted, even encouraged.

John P: No it isn’t a wonder. That is a very smug and uninformed statement. You clearly have not studied or encountered the many ways in which even modern birth control methods can fail, no matter how careful the user.

So methods of birth contrôle, such as condoms, are unreliable and prone to failure and so abortion is therefore justified.

Yet AMIE, I bet you’d be the first to promote the use of those same unreliable and prone to failure condoms as the major weapon in combatting AIDS infections, and would denounce those who’d promote either celibacy or monogamy as the best means of preventing the spread of HIV.

Funny.

By: mettaculture

mettaculture — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:18:22 +0000

Sophia

I am sorry it must have been hard to tell that story, because by the way you write G*d, I assume you to be devout and so the pain of the moral conflict lives with you still.

Thank you because in showing us that real people (your Father) not monsters make these decisions and real Drs in a Catholic hospital will act to avert the greater evil.

You have indeed shown us the true meaning of compassion, and passion because you even came close to swearing, something I imagine you never do, (a virtue that I do not posess I am afraid), because of the stupid ignorant armchair puritans with no real humanity.

I am sure that your birth confirmed the moral rightness of your Father’s decision, and brought them great happiness that must have eased the pain of their loss.

peace and blessings to you.

By: amie

amie — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:58:49 +0000

With all of the different forms of birth controle now available it’s a wonder women, women who belive in choice and controlling their own bodies, still end up with an unwanted pregnancy.
John P: No it isn’t a wonder. That is a very smug and uninformed statement. You clearly have not studied or encountered the many ways in which even modern birth control methods can fail, no matter how careful the user. Only a slight fallibility in the method, either on its own, or combined with a slight fallibility in the user can result in pregnancy.