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The security guards didn’t spot his rifle until he fired it? A rifle?

I’m sure that Mr Wallis et al will say that Mr von Brunn is just a rigorous anti Zionist.

An 89 year old man like him may have disguised it as a walking stick?

The latest update is at http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/10/national/main5077874.shtml?tag=topStory;topStoryHeadline

Maybe time for stricter gun laws for pensioners?

Says here he has an above average IQ:

http://www.holywesternempire.org/bio.html

“If you have the stomach, you can find links to some of his writings…”

Are they any different than the writings on Jihadi websites?

They are reporting that the security guard has died from his injuries.

“Says here he has an above average IQ:
http://www.holywesternempire.org/bio.html”

Dead URL?

Shocking, I’ve also been suprised to learn about the security measures at the museum, armed guards inside and out. For a museum. Good job they were there too but what a world we live in.

Tragically CBS News is reporting that the guard has died of his wounds. Click on link to CBS News online in my comment of 8:08 PM for latest update.

yeah, SWPers, like Sean Wallis will recognize this type of language,

extracted from James Von Brunn’s writings:

“In 1933 Germans in democratic elections opted for a German State exclusively for Germans (Aryans) — offering to help Zionists colonize JEWS in Palestine. WORLD JEWRY went berserk unilaterally declaring war (1933) on Germany. It is inconceivable to JEWS that any race but GOD’S CHOSEN should have its own State. ILLUMINATI ordered ALLIED forces to incinerate Germans in their cities, farms, and hamlets: advising the World that Nation-States will not be tolerated — except in Israel, and that WORLD JEWRY may live within whatever foreign nation it wishes.”

[Warning, nasty stuff, this TinyUrl is to a google cached copy, http://tinyurl.com/nvn4hw ]

I hope that the defenders of Churchill’s nasty little play, Seven Jewish Children will note his use of the “GOD’S CHOSEN”.

Do they have capital punishment for crimes committed in DC? I hope so, because that was self-evidently first degree murder of one innocent man, and attempted murder of others. With malice aforethought and all the trimmings.

Judy: An 89 year old man like him may have disguised it as a walking stick?

I doubt it. All he had to do is drive up, get out of his car, and walk in with the rifle shooting. Or, have the rifle wrapped in a blanket and walk in and start shooting. Not difficult to get past metal detectors and security when you are shooting at them.

Monty, since DC is federal jurisdiction and it is a capital crime to murder a federal police office which the security guard was, I would imagine that the death penalty would apply if the shooter lives.

Monty: Do they have capital punishment for crimes committed in DC? I hope so, because that was self-evidently first degree murder of one innocent man, and attempted murder of others. With malice aforethought and all the trimmings.

No. And if they did, at his age he would die of natural causes before his appeals finished.

David All: You’re right. It’s federal but I can’t ever remember a DC death penalty case. Anyway, even though the federal capital system is faster because of no state appeals, he’s 89 and will die sooner than later. Hopefully, he’ll just commit suicide in custody and his name forgotten.

That’s probably what he wanted.

He most likely wanted to be made a martyr for his neo-Nazi beliefs.

4yrInfo:
James Von Brunn: A Profile
By Brian Beutler and Zachary Roth – June 10, 2009, 3:18PM

Years later, he’d describe the entire incident somewhat differently. ..

Nutjob profile continues>>>:

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/06/james_von_brunn_a_profile.php?ref=fpblg

Loser.

Kmag, you are right that DC does not have the death penalty, but I believe the federal death penalty statue for murdering a federal police officer overrides local DC laws. Although as you point out, being in his late 80s the gunman would probably die of old age before he could be executed.

Washington Mayor Adrian Fenty called the attack “an extremely isolated incident.”

“In these days and times you never know when someone is going to grab a gun and use it in an inappropriate way as was done today,” he said.

Yeah, people are shooting at Jews and at Holocaust centres all the time. Just one of those things!

Who is this nutjob Mayor?

Shooting in Washington “an extremely isolated incident”. Really???

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1091986.html

Dead URL?

It’s working here Hector but as it is rather favourable to Von Brunn I guess it may be blocked in some places.

A picture of the murdered guard Stephen Tyrone John –who died trying to keep the racist murderer out of the museum here.

What pray tell happened to the post about the spat between Tikkun Olam’s Mr. Silverstein and Jewcy’s Mr. Weiss that merely a few minutes ago was posted above this post? Did Silverstein threaten to sue? And what a comment thread Silverstein hosts with contributions from good ole Gert, an assortment of loyal Counterpunch fans and to top it off, the fascist racist Joachim Martillo. Tikkun Olam indeed. Maybe Silverstein should call it Sin’at Olam.

As this bloke is 89, I wonder if the thought to himself, I’m going to die soon anyway, so I’ll take some of those bastards along with me before I do.

“In these days and times you never know when someone is going to grab a gun and use it in an inappropriate way as was done today,” he said.

“Inappropriate”!!! That stupid prissy word for “rude” or “out of order” or “bad” or, in this case, “criminal” or “murderous”. FFS!!!

The Black Jew Hater http://www.dailypress.com/news/dp-local_wright_0610jun10,0,7603283.story

“Rev. Jeremiah Wright says “Jews” are keeping him from President Obama”

My point on this thread is that with the failed attempt to blow up synagogues in Brooklyn by Islamists, the shooting today by a White Jew hater and the comments by Rev Wright – WTF is going on in the USA? Why the sudden outpouring of Jew hatred?

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I also record my condolences to the family of the guard who was killed. Who could expect a guard in a Holocaust Museum would be killed?

Did Juan Cole blame Israel yet?

David All: Was the man a federal police officer? Or was he a security guard without a law enforcement badge? However, unless he was or unless the museum is considered a federal gov. facility, the murderer doesn’t qualify for the DP.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/federal-laws-providing-death-penalty

Inappropriate”!!!

In Washington I’d like to know what the Mayor defines as an appropriate way! I just wonder if there is a reason why this Mayor cannot condemn the shooting without equivocation. It doesn’t come across as particularly Mayoral. Is there a problem in Washington for having sympathy for Jews, and MORE importantly the killing of a security guard at a museum.

The news item I just watched regarding the shooting ended with;

(something along the lines of) “the event will bring up new debates on racism and anti-semitism, but its unlikely to affect the gun laws”.

Its an interesting point. Perhaps this would be a tough example for the anti-gun lobby to entertain since it was the shooting of the old man that stopped him from killing anyone else during his sick hate crime. But of course, guns are still an issue and the crime could have been altogether avoided had guns been outlawed already.

What’s the thinking on this topic?

In Washington I’d like to know what the Mayor defines as an appropriate way!

Shooting a maniac with a gun and thereby saving lives is a very appropriate use of a gun.

Carl: But of course, guns are still an issue and the crime could have been altogether avoided had guns been outlawed already.
What’s the thinking on this topic?

The DC law banning handgun ownership was ruled unconstitutional a year ago. And no, the crime could not have been prevented altogether if guns were outlawed. One, outlawing something doesn’t mean people will not possess them anyway. Two, this man used a rifle. Even in Weenieville, they have not banned rifles, have they?

Actually as far as the public Washington DC which the tourists see this is extremely rare. Last such shooting that I can recall, aside from the 9/11/ attack on the Pentagon, was about ten or eleven, years ago, when a gunman murdered two guards at the House of Representatives part of Capitol Hill before he was shot and wounded. The gunman survived and If I recall correctly was latter judged to be insane and has been confined to an aslyum ever since.

There are plenty of murders in the DC area, but they are mostly confined to poor black neighborhood s like in DC NorthEast (N.E.)* and neighboring Prince George’s County in Maryland. As long as the shootings happen there, it is generally ignored by everyone else. Opposite DC NE is DC NorthWest (N.W.) and adjacent area out to Rockville MD is the corridor that can be called the Golden Ghetto of white liberals.

And yes, “inappropriate” is definitely the wrong or inappropriate word to use for today’s murder.

Somehow Jews are always the scapegoat. Don’t be surprised if in a few years they are blammed for ruining world peace. Oh, and guns arn’t the problem, it’s psychopaths who think that one person isn’t as human as another. Guns are the only thing other than the Constitution and the internet that really keep us free. Think about it. Most people who own guns do so in order to protect themselves and their property, if the government takes all the guns because a select few use them to kill, it just serves to make the government stronger. Do we really want that? They already are trying to control us all. I’ll get off my soap box now.

kmag, I am not sure if the Holocaust Museum is considered a federal facility and also do not know if the guards were considered public employees or whether the guard force was from a private security firm.

The guards were contracted from a private security firm. The Holocaust museum has no official connection to the federal government.

“The fact that the Holocaust Museum has several armed guards tells you why we need a Holocaust Museum.”

-James Lileks

Thanks Mesquito for that quote. Lileks is right.

Awful news. May Stephen Tyrone Johns’ memory be blessed. His actions doubtless saved many other lives.

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I have never understood the rationale behind a sentencing policy which discriminates on the basis of victim status in this way. It’s risible. Dead policemen are no more dead than dead security guards, or dead librarians. If capital punishment is to be applied, it should be applied in all cases of murder where guilt has been proven beyond all measure of doubt.

Bitter Ironic Sidebar. About two-thirds of the way through the CBS News online is the following:

“Attorney General Eric Holder and members of Congress had been scheduled to attend the world premiere of a play, ‘Anne and Emmett’ Wednesday night (at the Holocaust Museum). The performance has been cancelled in the wake of the shooting.

The New York Times describes the play as ‘a fictional dialogue between Anne Frank, whose diary recounted her days in hiding during the Holocaust, and Emmett Till, a black teenager killed by white racists in 1955.’”!

The sickest of crimes carried out by the sickest of individuals. If there was any justice in this world, it would be the brave security guard still clinging to life instead of the geriatric murdering anti-Semite. Horrible and depressing.

Monty: I have never understood the rationale behind a sentencing policy which discriminates on the basis of victim status in this way. It’s risible. Dead policemen are no more dead than dead security guards, or dead librarians.

Since police officers risk their lives to protect us, we feel that we should do everything in our power to protect them which means their premeditated murder is a capital offense.

If capital punishment is to be applied, it should be applied in all cases of murder where guilt has been proven beyond all measure of doubt.

Who sez? We’re a republic. The individual jurisdictions determine which crimes are death eligible. All have made the murder of a police officer a capital offense.

Also, the USSC has ruled that it is unconstitutional to make all first degree murder a mandatory death sentence.

There are armed guards at the Holocaust Museum for the same reason that since August 2000 we have not had a service at our temple without the presence of the police.

Jews in my small Midwestern city cannot worship freely anymore. Every time our children go to services they see the police protecting us. I had to explain to my eight-year-old son the first time why the police were there. I tried to explain it calmly, and without scaring him, but it has never been the same.

I would like to point out that no other house of worship here, including the mosques, needs protection.

R.I.P. Mr. Jones.

:(

If you have the stomach, you can find links to some of his writings…”

Are they any different from an Uck-U discussion?

“I would like to point out that no other house of worship here, including the mosques, needs protection.”

I know the feeling, Anat.We have had that in Jewish schools here in the UK for years. Before that, we had that in Jewish schools in South Africa. Once in SA our burglar alarm went off and my 3 year old fell flat on his face into the flower bed. He explained that this is what they were trained to do at nursery school at the sound of an alarm. And of course this is nothing compared to what is routine in Israel.

Whenever we are looking for a synagogue in, say Prague or just about anywhere in Europe and not sure of the precise location, we just know to watch out for the building with the police or security outside. In Istanbul, frustrated by finding the famous synagogues barred and locked (after the terror of recent years there) and only able to visit by prior arrangement and upon production of passports, my son burst out in frustration- why can I just stroll into any mosque but my synagogues are everwhere under siege. When we did manage to attend a shabbat service by prior arrangement, we noticed under every seat a hard hat as used on construction sites.

Why is this tagged “Israel / Palestine”?

Have you read his writings, M?

Out of interest, has anyone seen Gert’s daughter recently? I imagine she’s now consoling her father after *his* father put his money where his mouth was.