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Ali Khamenei orders an inquiry:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6502374.ece

Or should that read, “Ali Khamenei orders a whitewash?”

MPACUK have also revealed their true barbarism by publicising photographs of an Islamic school administrator out-of-hours. Apparently, if you do not look like a woman should, it is reasonable to start a witch-hunt against you. Of course, MPAC’s real beef is entirely homophobic – but they are careful not to make this too explicit for obvious legal reasons.

Of course, MPAC’s real beef is entirely homophobic – but they are careful not to make this too explicit for obvious legal reasons.

Let’s face it, a few dewy-eyed shots of her holding hands with another woman may indicate something but that is her freedom of sexual expression and they had no right to hound her.

The Supreme Leader remains “aloof” from democracy. What a creative way of describing a theocratic dictatorship.

MPAC UGH! Imagine their dream set-up for UK elections. A big mad mullah and twelve dwarf mad mullahs choosing which candidates they would allow you to vote for. MPAC UGH!

tens of thousands marching to Azadi sqr, Seyed Khomeini supports opposition, Ayatollah Sane’i in Tehran to support opposition, meet Khamenei

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/15/04047/3443?detail=f

Mousavi’s twiitter feed:

http://twitter.com/mousavi1388/status/2176587336

CONFIRMED BY BBC PERSIAN, PLEASE TELL EVERYONE TO JOIN THEM: MOUSAVI, KAROUBI & KHATAMI WILL BE AT THE PROTEST.

The Telegraph is reporting Mousavi 46%, Karoubi 32%, Ahmadinejad 14% and Rezai 9% (to nearest % – my arithmetic from their figures) from leaked documents on Iranian blogs. 14% !!! If this gets wide circulation, the Mullahs are in real trouble.

Alcuin, an interesting quote from your Tele link:

“Our serious concern is about the implications of recent events for the engagement the international community seeks with the government of Iran,” Miliband told reporters as he arrived for a meeting with European Union counterparts in Luxembourg today.
“The implications are not yet clear.”

In other words, “Rhubard rhubarb rhubarb,” Miliband told reporters as he arrived for a meeting with European Union counterparts in Luxembourg today. “The rhubarb are not yet rhubarb.”

This is to be expected from the nutters at MPACUK-what is not to like about a theocracy behind a fig leaf fake democratic process?

What about the BBC though? Barely a hint that the elections were fixed or that the candidates were all rigoruously vetted or that Khamenei is the real and overriding power. The BBC is treating it as if it was a real, functioning democracy.

And John Simpson (not in a burkha on this occasion) is convinced that all right-thinking people would prefer four more years of Ahmadinejad to disorder on the streets of Tehran. Of course he said much the same of those Taliban-they may have dealt roughly with thieves by hacking off limbs and they blew up all the girls schools and killed female teachers but at least they brought some order (and no doubt made the trains run on time.) What is it with supposedly well-informed Western hacks (especially the BBC ones) who go all moist for violent Islamism.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8099374.stm

B.

Robert Fisk describes the Iranian elections as democratic. That says it all, really.

What people must understand that in Islam, truth is not always truth.

From the link:

“Khomeini’s promises in opposition, both in Iraq and later in Paris, were very different from what happened in reality when the islamists took power. Although he spoke of the “influence” of islam in future governments, in opposition Khomeini, surrounded himself with ‘modernist’ islamist advisors such as Ghotbazde, Bani Sadr and Yazdi, and promised non-theocratic governance.

He claimed that he himself would retire to the holy city of Ghom: “I have repeatedly said that neither my desire nor my age nor my position allows me to govern” (interview in Paris by United Press, November 8 1978). A few month later he said: “After the shah’s departure from Iran, I will not become a president nor accept any other leadership role. Just like before, I limit my activities only to guiding and directing the people” (quoted in Le Monde January 9 1979).”

When Khomeini was asked why he went back on his promises, he responded with “taghieh goftam”. (I said a ‘taqiyya’).

In Islam (and in particular, Shia Islam) ‘taqiyya’ is basically divinely condoned deception. A lie told to serve the greater good.

Moral and cultural relativists, those naïve multi-culti liberals, ignore the concept of ‘taqiyya’ at everybody’s peril. For example, they take at face value, the unequivocal promises from Ahmadinejad and Khaminei not to develop nuclear weapons.

Yet like all moral relativists, they project their own morality on others. because they don’t acknowledge cultural and moral differences.

In Iran, ‘taqiyya’ is a way of life. People apologies when they’re not sorry. They say they agree with you when they don’t. They tell you they support a position when they don’t. It’s not considered to be lying, if the ends justify the means.

It’s difficult enough for an Iranian to work out what’s being said.

A European, non-Muslim multiculturalist liberal has no chance.

“The rhubarb are not yet rhubarb.”

I couldn’t have put it better myself!

I think of the hijab- is -liberating blitherers in the UK when I read Marie Colvin’s report in the Sunday Times News Review yesterday.(The link is broken). A 34 year old political activist in Iran told her that her first target would be headscarves. “The least of the freedoms we need is the ability to choose what we wear. For women this is really an issue.”

Maybe anecdotal but pause for thought for the bein pensant “hijab is not the issue” statements over here.

What about the BBC though? Barely a hint that the elections were fixed or that the candidates were all rigoruously vetted or that Khamenei is the real and overriding power. The BBC is treating it as if it was a real, functioning democracy.

Spot on. I am not one of those who goes gunning for the BBC ad nauseum but this is weird, on no occasion have I seen anyone on the BBC report this fundamental fact about Iranian domestic politics. I am beginning to think that there is a strong collective wishful think to see a democracy in Iran, regardless of the facts; coming no doubt from the same pacifist/defeatist impulses on the left that we are all too aware of.

Whats really incredible is that most of the protestors are probably the same sort of age as MPAC members.

It seems to me that the yoof of Iran is protesting about unemployment, electoral fraud and a general lack of freedom.

The British muslims at MPAC dont seem that bothered with the above though.

Dinner Jacket is only liked abroad because of the ‘wiping out Israel’ stuff, along with the nasty ‘holocaust revisionism’ – (denial).

Its a very similar thing to the SWP strategy of supporting all overseas dictatorships if they happen to be anti-American and anti-Jewish.

I notice our friends at Lenin’s Tomb are convinced that Dinner Jacket has never questioned the holocaust, and suggestions otherwise are an ‘imperialist plot’. Whats even more worrying, is the slightly sickening way these people talk about how ‘nice’ Ahmadinejad is to Iranian Jews, He cant hate Jews, he lets them into the parliament!

I also remember Mr. Seymour saying that what happened to Ian Tomlinson was ’state terrorism’. But there isn’t anything about the current police brutality in Iran. I just saw a photo of 4 security guys beating the crap out of some really young guy who was about 16 years old.

This lack of sincerity proves these people dont actually believe a bloody word they say. This should be the new HP line. These people (MPAC/SWP) dont even believe this shit themselves.

Marie Colvin’s article which I refer to above, in the Sunday Times Review (link broken, alas) makes the point that Ahmadinejad has limited power. She says real power lies with Khamenei. She says besides high unemployment, inflation and lack of freedom of expression, the youth’s main concern is isolation from the West. “they are particularly angry about Ahmadinejad’s confrontational international politics, particularly over Israel, and Iran’s nuclear programme.”

particularly over Israel? I hope this is true- whatever the reason- preferably they have a less hostile attitude, or maybe just fear of being nuked-I assumed that with all their other concerns, Ahmadinejad attitude to Israel would not be a problem for them.

Tory – of course, Lenny and the rest of the totalitarian Left don’t care about human rights at all. Campaigning on human rights abuses in the West is just an propagandist excuse for attacking the “capitalist state”. But to be honest that is a well known aspect of their ideology. The people to pity are those idiot idealistic types who are taken in by their antics.

Robert Fisk describes the Iranian elections as democratic. That says it all, really.

Yeah, there’s a guy down our road who had his head smashed in with rocks too. When he starts jabbering on about something, I find it’s best to smile politely, keep walking and not make any sudden movements.

“But to be honest that is a well known aspect of their ideology. The people to pity are those idiot idealistic types who are taken in by their antics.”

Im just aghast that people who are SO ideological can have so few principles. I thought that the was the one good thing about staying in fringe politics, never having to compromise yourself for a mainstream party or country etc.

At least our dodgey politicians lie to get re-elected, these guys appear to lie for the sake of it.

In the case of MPAC, Gitmo is either an abuse against humanity or its not. If it is, then how can you say nothing about human rights in Iran at a time like this? Then means you dont care about Gitmo really. Or even worse, you ONLY care about abuses against muslims.

Its all rather confused me to be honest and I need Peter Tatchell to resore my faith in human rights activists. Good man, slings the mud at all possible targets, even if sometimes he misses.

Tory – extreme Leftists have been well known for their lying propagandist behaviour re human rights since year dot.

If all you care about is “the rule of the proletariat” you don’t care what happens to get to it. And one way of doing it is to try to destabilise the “capitalist state” via encouraging protests about human rights (which are often exagggerated claims).

Of course if any of these types ever get into power they start removing rights from anyone they don’t like – as has been proved many times – see Chavez now eg.

Reza V, thank you for your very illuminating post.

To Fisk justice he’s got an article in the Independent today where he portrays DinnerJacket as a creepy fascist dictator.

That should have read “To do Fisk justice”

The Hitch makes a fine point

http://www.slate.com/id/2220520/

KB Player
15 June 2009, 6:25 pm

To Fisk justice he’s got an article in the Independent today where he portrays DinnerJacket as a creepy fascist dictator.

Well, yes. Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

I was somewhat curious to know what Seymour and the Sociopathic Workers [sic] Party members were making of the recent events in Iran, but for reasons of equanimity I have refrained from paying a visit to the execrable “Lenin’s Tomb” blog. From information in some of the posts above, however, I see that they are arguing that any moves against Ahmadinejad are an imperialist plot; moreover, they claim the mad anti-Semite in Tehran has in fact never questioned the holocaust. More evidence, if it were needed, of their moral and intellectual bankruptcy.

Some of the contributors and posters at Lenin’s Tomb disgust me beyond words. For example, in the past, I have read posts where they’ve expressed a desire for “anti-imperialist” insurgents to kill British soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. A particularly vicious and unsavoury harpy, going by the moniker “Jill in Laos”, told me that she was “proud” to make common cause with terrorists like Al-Qaeda in their fight against the West. If you google this particular acolyte of Seymour (”Jill in Laos”) you will find the Vientiane vixen only last month saying the following on http://www.truthout.org:

“Only the destruction of the puppet Maliki government and the intensification of the resistance struggle against America can revivify the Iraqi peoples. Unfortunately, as Jamil correctly points out, the collaborators ‘made their beds’ with imperialism, and now they must sleep in them.The sleep of the mortuary.”

Such a charming lady.