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They must be using live rounds. The young victim wouldn’t have stood a chance.

Moussavi has now called for a general strike if he gets arrested.

I’m not going to watch it. I knew it was coming.
For all the past week, I looked at the pictures out of Iran, at all the beautiful inspired enthusiastic people, and wondered how many of them will be maimed, tortured, killed.

This young woman is one of the “middle class” Iranians that George Galloway is willing to betray, and her murderer share Galloways paymasters, the Mullocracy of Qom.

No doubt those who object to the callous murder of this brave young woman are culpable of “moral universalism” in the eyes of the apologists for theocratic terror.

The Iranian people will remember who stood by which side during this crisis.

I watched it and regret having done so.

This young women was standing with her father and was nowhere near the demos.

The man who decided to kill this innocent bystander did so out of sheer hatred for women.

You need a facebook login to see the video.

The man who decided to kill this innocent bystander did so out of sheer hatred for women.

This is why we must have segregated auditoriums imposed on us, so that properly educated Muslim men won’t be incited and will have a harder time getting a clear shot.

the situation in Iran can now only get worse. in my opinion the only chance for survival of the regime lay in accommodating the interests of the opposition. irrespective of who won the election there was clearly a vast division between sections of the population of Iran and reform was the regime’s only way out. that is now impossible. everything they do now only makes them weaker and the opposition stronger. even if they violently oppress the whole movement it will re-appear. can’t help but be reminded of eastern europe 20 years ago.

Gene,

You should put up the latest video from today on youtube that the NYT Lede Blog has just posted (at 2:52 on their time).

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/

While it isn’t the largest crowd we’ve seen so far, the nature of the footage is affecting.

Scores of protesters walk slowly and solemnly down an empty street waiting to encounter security forces.

About 2 minutes through, one girl hands rocks to others walking by who take them without question.

It speaks of how this thing is not going to end until things change.

They should call a General Strike.

Fuckers. Pardon my French, but non-profanity just isn’t sufficient anymore.

Tell that to most “intellectuals” here, and they will change the subject to Israel, and then when you complain that this is not about Israel, but about human rights, they will just say that the UK is just as bad.

So much for the UK as “agitators”.

Sorry for digressing. I just had an earful of this today from someone that I used to respect.

I have often read about the thuggish and fanatical nature of the basij.

But are there no regular police and armed forces who could bring their influence to bear on that that toxic regime? Isn’t there anyone over there who can be relied upon to protect the population?

Here is a link that is working for now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tE8kE7k5fI0

Fuck the basij

Not veiled and beautiful, just what these perverts hate the most in the world.

they will just say that the UK is just as bad.

Welcome to the 60’s. Uh… make that the naughties. Some things never change.

You need a facebook login to see the video.

There is a link via Andre Sullivan on the thread “They’re still at it”.

Tell that to most “intellectuals” here, and they will change the subject to Israel,

There’s a way around that.

You just say; “I’m glad you brought up Israel and the Palestinains cuz I was wondering what your thoughts were on the fact Iranian Mullahs use Palestinian thugs to murder their own people.”

I have totally had it with Warrington.

http://www.warrington-worldwide.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14377

People here don’t know there’s anything going on in Iran at all. But they knew plenty about Gaza.

I could only stomach the first 15 seconds, myself. Some crimes are both large enough to cost a regime its legitimacy and too small to stifle opposition. We’ll see about the latter, but this is disgusting enough to be the former.

Galloway is scum.

I’ve just talked to my Iranian friends (outside of Iran), they were astonishingly upbeat, even though they of course do have still family and friends in Iran. But they said sort of stoically there was no other choice, whatever the cost, this regime had to be removed. I’m not sure what to think; when I said that people must be in fear, and that the demonstrations were much smaller today, I was shouted down with “you don’t know what you’re talking about”. Well, I hope they are right.

I just thought I’d look at teh Stop teh War website to see what they have to say and it has disappeared. Instead there is the ‘Pirate Bay’ website. I did find a statement on the Campaign against Military intervention in Iran and Iraq on another website that droned on about events in the 1950s and how it was all the fault of the British. So, where’s the Stop the War website? Has someone cut off their funding or something?

Khameni warned them what would happen if they went on the streets today

Did anyone here with even a nodding acquaintance with the nature of totalitarian regimes in general or of the theocratic totalitarian
religious zealots who hold Iran in thrall to their vision of Islam-inspired utopia in particular not see this coming? This all will go the way of Tien an Men Sq. Totalitarians–especially religious zealots–have no compunction about cracking skulls when, after all, they are “on a mission from God.” As time moves on the youth in the streets today will have learned to make their outward peace with the regime and “work-around” it in their private lives, while 20 yrs from now the new young–as in today’s China–will have never heard of the riots. (My only caveat–one I certainly admit the possibility of–is that unlike China, where events took place in a time prior to the pervasiveness of cell-phone cameras and twitter–the historical record will be harder to ignore.)

“So, where’s the Stop the War website? Has someone cut off their funding or something?”

Hopefully their ’something’, Sue.

On another note altogether, this video…the sound of the poor girl’s father is just heartbreaking. There must be others just like him in Iran tonight.

I did find a statement on the Campaign against Military intervention in Iran and Iraq on another website that droned on about events in the 1950s and how it was all the fault of the British

Yep, its the “Original Sin” argument. Apparently we’re cursed to the seventh generation or some such bollocks.

This is the StWC statement on Iran, 8 days late:

http://stopwar.org.uk/content/view/1310/1/

“Stop the War statement on the crisis in Iran

The crisis unfolding in Iran must not become the pretext for renewed intervention by the USA or Britain in the region, nor for a whipping up of further tension around Iran’s nuclear programme.

The responsibility of the anti-war movement is first of all to oppose the role of the British government in the region, and to prevent its posturing being used as a pretence to justify a US or Israeli military attack against Iran, an attack which would have catastrophic results for the whole Middle East, and the Iranian people first of all.

The Stop the War Coalition believes that resolving the crisis is the right and responsibility of the Iranian people alone, and that external interference can play no positive role – particularly interference by those powers which have laid waste to neighbouring Iraq in a lawless war and occupation, and which unfailingly support Israeli aggression in the region.

It would be wrong for us to take any position on the disputed outcome of the Iranian presidential election. We do, however, support the right to demonstrate peacefully, just as we support the Iranian people’s right to political, trade union and other civil freedoms and to struggle to achieve them. We unequivocally condemn the shooting of protesters and other violations of democratic liberties by the Iranian government.

We note the anger displayed by many Iranians against the British government. These sentiments reflect Britain’s shameful history in the country, from overthrowing the democratic regime of Mossadeq in 1952, to its stalwart support for the Shah’s despotism and its support for Saddam Hussein in his aggression against the Islamic Republic in the 1980s.

This anger can only be exacerbated by British interference in the present crisis. The British government remained silent when its ally Hosni Mubarak falsified election results in Egypt, and it has refused to deal with democratically-elected leaders in the Palestine Authority and in Lebanon. The government supports the Saudi kleptocracy, which does not need to manipulate elections because they are never held there.

The British and US governments wish to see regime change in Iran in order to dominate the Middle East and its resources and leave Israel as the region’s unchallenged military superpower. And a government which ignored millions of its own people marching against its planned war against Iraq is in no position to lecture others on democratic attitudes.

In expressing our solidarity with all the Iranian people striving for a democratic outcome to the crisis in their country, the Coalition will support demonstrations and initiatives which reflect these principles.

Note: This is a draft statement by the officers of Stop the War Coalition, which will be put for endorsement to Stop the War’s National Steering Committee on Saturday 27 June 2009.”

Not a word of criticism against the theocratic dictatorship or Ahmadinejad, pathetic. How very conservative, that’s what they really are, for the status quo.

That wasn’t easy to watch. You don’t see her getting shot, just the aftermath, so it’s hard to tell, but it looks like she died fairly quickly; they lay her down, she gives a muted cry, and then her eyes fall to one side. And then…the blood pours out of her mouth and nose. And then the screaming starts. It’s horrible. Truly horrible.

After watching that there is no doubt in my mind the regime will do all it can to retain it’s grip on the country even if that means killing thousands, The protesters are in for a tough time in the day’s ahead, It maybe that the street protests are played out know as a tactic and it needs to be taken to another level a general strike looks like the way to go, The regime can rely on the Basij and Revolutionary Guard’s but i wonder how the Army will react if they are called upon.

I hope that, once this regime is gone and the full horrors of it are brought into the open for all to see, the Galloways and the Cockburns and the other leftist fascists who have tirelessy championed it will likewise be seen for what they are.

Sadly Jon, that won’t be happening. They will go on and on and on. Been that way since before even the Hungarian Uprising, and it will always be thus.

This is an internal matter for Iranians. I am not taking sides…

I can only hope that that young girl’s Dad tracks down the shitheel that murdered his daughter.

Is it me or does the StWC statement have hints of conspiracy theory about it?

e.g.

“The British and US governments wish to see regime change in Iran in order to dominate the Middle East and its resources and leave Israel as the region’s unchallenged military superpower”

It’s one thing to harbour a private suspicion but it’s quite baffling that an organisation should release this as an official statement ( to be ratified by a steering committee, no less).

And then we have – “The Stop the War Coalition believes that resolving the crisis is the right and responsibility of the Iranian people alone”

(Although in the event of a Palestinian/Israeli crisis, we urge everyone in the entire world to demonstrate/boycott Israeli academics/stage sit-ins/run convoys/fill Tesco trolleys with Israel oranges – and so on.)

and

“The responsibility of the anti-war movement is first of all to oppose the role of the British government in the region, and to prevent its posturing being used as a pretence to justify a US or Israeli military attack against Iran”

Blimey – all this when Gordon and Barack have barely opened their mouths much less put the collective forces on red alert. Suspicion and the raising of eyebrows seems out of place in an official statement.

It really makes me wonder how old the authors are.

This one is a young man; high velocity, small caliber.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9dc_1245519810

Several of the tweeter messages posted on Andrew Sullivan’s blog mention helicopters dropping an unidentified liquid on the crowds, that causes severe skin burns.

What could it be?

Link here:
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2009/06/liveblogging-day-8.html

Another on shot; again these are military weapons (the pitch of the bullets gets higher with velocity).

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f28_1245535476

Several of the tweeter messages posted on Andrew Sullivan’s blog mention helicopters dropping an unidentified liquid on the crowds, that causes severe skin burns.

What could it be?

I don’t know, but I’m sure the usual suspects (Ridley, Galloway, Benn, Lennox &c.) will take to the streets to vociferously protest this flagrant display of human rights violations. Any day now.

What a terrible and truly disturbing clip.

May HaShem bestow comfort on this young woman’s family and the families of all those who have been killed, and may He avenge the blood of the murdered innocent.

The mask (for those who refused to see) of this despicable regime has been ripped off, and now it’s oppressive, degenerate and cruel face is revealed for all to see.

I am concerned even more by what may happen next.

Now that the Ayatollah has come out and demanded an end to the protests, and now that the regime is willing to use more violent means to prevent further protests, things are getting more dangerous. For Iranians and for the region.

The regime is very unlikely to give in. They will probably keep killing more idealistic Iranians until, like in Burma, the protests stop, and freedom recedes into the background.

If the protests do not stop, then perhaps in a desperate bid to shift Iranian and world attention away from the internal crisis, Hezbollah will be given commands to fire Katyushas at Israel. If another Israel / Lebanon war breaks out, then Iranian protests will cease to be a concern for the international community. And the authorities in Iran may then try to unify the nation behind animosity of Israel.

It sounds desperate, but I think the Ayatollah is fast realising that if these protests do not stop, his control over the country is lost.

Fear, as the Ayatollah is finding out, is not enough to maintain the loyalty of your people. Fear eventually fades, or desperation and anger eventually become stronger, and when that happens, all the terror in the world, will not stop your subjects from rising against you.

And the international community must not prevaricate. A clear, powerful and open condemnation of Iran by the UN is needed. Iran must not be left in any doubt, that it’s current cause of action will have international consequences.

I don’t hold out for the latter, after all Iran only need look at Burma, Sudan and Zimbabwe to see that violent oppression of it’s own people, is unlikely to lead to any serious international action.

And the international community must not prevaricate.

Iran is still invited to the G8 summit next week, it’s something the US pushed for. Seems to me that things might have changed a bit since Obama wanted Iran made respectable…

Chuck:

“Iran is still invited to the G8 ”

Where is it? And when?

Chuck:

“Iran is still invited to the G8 ”

Where is it? And when?

Olympic standard feigned outrage from all you fake haters who would not raise a peep if this was happening in a place that is not part of the “Axis of Evil”,(see Uzbekistan,Turkmenistan,etc etc etc.Boiling in oil anyone?)

blahblahblah — what a fitting monniker. Boiling in oil, you ask? Last time I remember such a story was when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, and his troops boiled some Kuwaitis in oil. Is it that you are referring to? I can assure you that I was also outraged and horrified then — so much so that I still remember the stories. But there are also very recent stories, about what rapists in Congo do to finish off their victims. Check out reports if you want the details, and then let’s see if you blah on.

Monty, looks like the pre-summit is the one Iran was invited to. I can’t find the date/place.

Iran announced that it had received an invitation to attend the pre-summit;[27] and the Iranian government is considering whether to attend.[28] Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini and Richard Holbrooke, the U.S. Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan, discussed Iran’s prospective participation in the proposed pre-summit.[29]

Why, looky there, the Baker report has found sympathy among the advisors of the new administration. Holbrooke is an old Clinton consigliere. Yet with rebellion in Iran and Pakistan on the offensive it looks like events have outrun all those carefully laid plans ;)

PetraMB,I don’t think the story you refer to made it out of your bunker.
I remember the story about Iraqi soldiers bayonetting babies in their incubators though.Funny you should mention Congo-kind of proves my point for me-see how many posts there are on HP about Congo over the last,say, seven years ?

I predict this video alone will cause huge problems for the Iranian Govt. Those anti Govt Iranians viewing this are going to be further moved to action.

“We did not give blood to give up now” – Eye witness report of June 20 Repression:

http://hopinewsfromiran.wordpress.com/2009/06/20/%E2%80%9Cwe-did-not-give-blood-to-give-up-now%E2%80%9D-eye-witness-report-of-june-20-repression/

“I predict this video alone will cause huge problems for the Iranian Govt. Those anti Govt Iranians viewing this are going to be further moved to action.”

You’re right. And the Iranian people will overcome this regime and its apologists abroad.

One death is a tragedy, 1 million is a statistic…..or some such.

Petra – Given your reaction to another video of an unarmed protester being shot at and killed by the security services, I’m surprised you’re not pointing out that it’s unclear what hit the woman, or that we should wait until there’s an enquiry etc etc.

If anyone’s still interested in that case, btw, I’ve issued a formal enquiry to the IDF Spokespersons’ Unit, who will hopefully get back to me soon. They have indicated, however, that it was nothing to do with the tear-gas canister rebounding of a cable.

comment on my blog by a doctor who claims was standing right next to her tryingto help her:

A young woman who was standing aside with her father watching the protests was shot by a basij member hiding on the rooftop of a civilian house. He had clear shot at the girl and could not miss her. However, he aimed straight her heart. I am a doctor, so I rushed to try to save her. But the impact of the gunshot was so fierce that the bullet had blasted inside the victim’s chest, and she died in less than 2 minutes. The protests were going on about 1 kilometers away in the main street and some of the protesting crowd were running from tear gas used among them, towards Salehi St. The film is shot by my friend who was standing beside me. Please let the world know.

ganselmi2003 – “I predict this video alone will cause huge problems for the Iranian Govt. Those anti Govt Iranians viewing this are going to be further moved to action.” You’re right. And the Iranian people will overcome this regime and its apologists abroad.

I wonder if The Gorgeous One has viewed this video.

These demonstrators are way past Mousavi. They want FREEDOM.

Bastards.

Watching TV.

She’s different from Anne Boleyn
She is different from the Rosenbergs
And from the unknown Jew
She’s different from the unknown Nicaraguan
Half superstar, half victim
She’s a victor star, conceptually new
And she is different from the Dodo
And from the Kankanbono
She’s different from the Aztec
And from the Cherokee
She’s everybody’s sister
She’s symbolic of our failure
She’s the one in fifty million
Who can help us to be free
Because she died on TV
And I grieve for my sister

Yossi -your hypothesis is not in the least outlandish; it’s a very real possibility in my view. Not many people seem to remember this, but the day the second Lebanon war began (12/7/06) was also the day that there was supposed to be an important debate at the UN on the subject of Iran’s nuclear aspirations. The debate was abandoned as events unfolded on Israel’s northern border. I have long wondered if the initial kidnappings and rocket attacks were not simply a diversion tactic which escalated horribly out of control; Nasrallah has of course openly admitted on several occasions that he did not get the Israeli reaction which he expected.

Neil D.: Indeed. What an appropiate song.
(it was originally composed by Waters for Tian An Men)

Joe Camel -I understand that there are reports, unconfirmed as far as I know, of boiling water being poured on the demonstrators from helicopters and also of the use of acid.

http://hopinewsfromiran.wordpress.com/

Videos from the Hopi Emergency Solidarity Meeting on June 20

Here are the videos of yesterday’s solidarity meeting, which was attended by over 40 people and raised 230 pounds for our comrades struggling in Iran. The Speakers were Yassamine Mather and Moshe Machover with the Green Party’s Jim Jepps in the Chair. To find out more about upcoming HOPI meetings, or to request a speaker for your organisation, campaign or union – please get in touch with us at office@hopoi.info or on 07590429226.

Blah(etc)

You ask “how many posts there are on HP about Congo over the last,say, seven years ?”

I haven’t been posting here for seven years so I can’t tell you. What I can say is that at Harry’s Place and other blogs I have indeed raised the issue of Congo, Darfur, Sri Lanka – and other stricken areas of the world. And guess what? Along comes someone just like you who writes scathingly about my motives – apparantly I’m simply trying to divert attention away from Israel.

Perhaps you could point me towards your substantive posts about the issues in Congo, Darfur, Sri Lanka and Swat Valley? Or even Iran.

Israelinurse

Joe Camel -I understand that there are reports, unconfirmed as far as I know, of boiling water being poured on the demonstrators from helicopters and also of the use of acid.

Boiling water – unlikely ‘cos it cools very quickly and how would ‘they’ heat it in a helicopter.

Acid – that would be more effective. However, things are being photographed so if they were cought doing it on film, it would be somewhat embarassing.

Whatever the Grans Council of Evil is planning, at the moment they are mindful of how they react to ‘illegal’ demonstrations. Different from previous times in Iran.

Obama’s admonition that ‘the whole world is watching’ may, surprisingly, be having some effect.

For how long though …..

Thanks for posting this atrocity, may the whole world see it.