Harry's Place

Why does our omnipotent, benevolent God allow such stupid and unpleasant men to become rich and powerful?

I can’t imagine that a Hitlerian dictator, with a project based on racial purity and breeding a tall blond master race would necessarily be in Bernies interest.

http://www.flagworld.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/bernie-slavica-ecclestone.jpg

Someone should point out to him that Hitlers plans were for a 1000 year Reich, not a 1000 mm Reich.

And then give them a steady supply of pretty ladies as well. Although this variable is of course influenced by the aforementioned wealth.

Someone should point out to him that Hitlers plans were for a 1000 year Reich, not a 1000 mm Reich.

Too funny!

He should have a big naked party with the equally delicious Max Mosley.

You know he owns the vast area in the center of Chelsea, that used to be the Manresa Chelsea College, University of London. Now heres a funny thing; when Chelsea, Queen Elizabeth and Kings College were merged, the building and sites could only be used for or sold for use as ‘Educational Establishments’.
As soon as nu-Labour got in, one of their first pieces of legislation, this was changed and Kings (which had got rid of their Kings (KQC) name by then) sold former Chelsea College properties to Ecclestone. Chelsea College had never been allowed to sell off their surplus building in this manner.

Now here is another funny thing; Ecclestone became a big donor to the Labour party. However, give his love of fascist parties, Labour was the obvious choice.

What is it about Formula 1? How many other closet fascist groupies does it hide?

After Max Mosely, what next with Ecclestone?

Anyone who is interested in driving round and round in a circle is clearly an utter knob, but the degree of fuckwittedness displayed here is quite egregious, even for a motor enthusiast.

Go back to Formula One and tobacco advertising and Labour Party funding.

People who have too much money should have it taken away from them. Too much money infantilises people, and makes them think they can get away with anything. Expropriate and exterminate!

I think his comments about the Taliban are far worse than those about Hitler. Pointing to Hitler as an example of ‘leadership’ and ‘getting things done’ is quite a familiar activity among old, deluded twats who believe that the country’s going to the dogs: “You can say what you like about Hitler but he had some good ideas!”

It’s the Taliban stuff that firmly demonstrates what an odious, nasty piece of work he is. Ah well, he can’t have long left.

What is it about Formula 1? How many other closet fascist groupies does it hide?

As a long time follower of the sport I don’t think it hides many (although there is probably a whiff of Marinetti in the paddock still.)

It does probably a hide a few silly old men who are still living in the fifties though…

Have a laugh point, Tim

that’s his wife and daughter?!!!! it doesn’t look like the titch can get up there (if you know what i mean) ;)

Jako, they may be pretty but my guess is they aren’t too bright. Personally, I go for brainy women.

Q. What did she see in him?

A. The top of his head!

Ditto j.r.’s comment.

In the Mail the poisoned dwarf (sorry, person of restrited height) suggests that Hitler’s downfall was being diverted to persue The Holocaust and muses whether it was really what Hitler wanted. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197449/Hitler-got-things-Mosley-super-job-leading-Britain-says-Formula-One-Chief-Mosley.html

The photo in there make him look even MORE groteque.

Maybe Ecclestone admires Mussolini’s transport efficiency too…

Last month he said that Formula One needed a “black, Jewish woman who, if possible, wins some races”.

Has Oona King applied yet?

He’d have been first in the gas chamber under the Reich Anglo-Saxon Genetic Improvement Programme.

What a nasty pathetic little Hitlerian Homily. Next year there will be a Tehran Grand Prix on that you can bet.

It makes you wonder though with the Max Moseley connection – was F1 always infiltrated with people of a certain persuasion? Who else lurks in the hierarchy.

He should have a big naked party with the equally delicious Max Mosley.

Or Stewie Griffin: a character almost as implausible. Mind you, Stewie has at least some redeeming qualities i.e. wit, erudition.

It makes you wonder though with the Max Moseley connection – was F1 always infiltrated with people of a certain persuasion? Who else lurks in the hierarchy.

sounds like a good theme for Adam’s next novel :)

Clearly the Mr Ecclestone is a cunt. Nuff said.

Has Oona King applied yet?

Or Linda Bellos!

“…but apart from the fact that Hitler got taken away and persuaded to do things that I have no idea whether he wanted to do or not”

Poor little Hitler!

I have just cancelled a mail trying to argue with this nincompoop, but as there is no logic in what he says, the endeavour was futile. Not even the BNP could approve of his assessment.

Yet, for all their stupidity, they are nasty ideas and I hope he has been suitably taken to task for them.

I believe F1 has to do with car-races. His drivers shoud disown him, but I suppose money is more important than morality.

Not even hardline conservative old ladies would approve of Hitler, who after all, wanted to bomb England to smithereens.

His drivers shoud disown him

I don’t think the drivers like him very much Felix!

Hitler was a bad dictator because he killed lots of people and his Reich lasted only 1.2% of the intended period. The Hondurans make good dictators if only for their women.

Looking at that Daily Mail article, a fair few commenters actually agree with Ecclestone, which I suppose tells you a lot about Mail readers?

We did a terrible thing when we supported the idea of getting rid of Saddam Hussein. He was the only one who could control that country. It was the same [with the Taleban]. We move into countries and we have no idea of the culture. The Americans probably thought Bosnia was a town in Miami. There are people starving in Africa and we sit back and do nothing but we get involved in things we should leave alone.”

For a Hitler apologist, he sounds far more like a bog standard anti-US anti-imperialist stopper, than either a Kissingerian realist or even a paleoconservative isolationist – notwithstanding that neither the Kissingerian realist nor the paleocon isolationists would find any grounds on which to disagree with Ecclestone’s first sentence quoted above.

What makes Ecclestone’s remark more closely fit a ‘left that doesn’t learn’ anti-US imperialism stopper mindset, than either a Kissingerian realist, or a paleocon isolationist one, is that the Kissingerian realist probably wouldn’t agree that the US is entirely oblivious to starvation in Africa, whereas the paleocon isolationist likely wouldn’t care less and probably wouldn’t even think to mention any problem emerging from whether or not Americans didn’t know anything about any foreign culture.

Then again, in the immortal words of Groucho Marx: “If you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce, they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does!”

The teams were trying to find a way of flipping him off a few years back. When he’s eventually ousted we can look forward to getting our tongues round phrases like ‘former formula fuhrer’
Didn’t he start out as a arthur daley style second hand car salesman? I just don’t think he was destined to be widely loved.

When he’s eventually ousted we can look forward to getting our tongues round phrases like ‘former formula fuhrer’

Well if Mosley goes in November (despite his backtracking) Ecclestone will probably follow. The name touted as a replacement for Ecclestone when it looked like most teams were going to break away was Flavio Briatore…

He also says that Max Mosley would make a great PM, but given the state of the country only a complete masochist would want to be PM…… oh hang on…

Isn’t his wife a Slav? She’d have suffered under the Nazis. I’m not sure if they aren’t divorced now. I seem to remember reading an article that said he started off in motor-cycle racing in the 40s. I imagine he is voicing the type of opinions of men from that background.

David T: Antishort bigot.

I was reading about him a few years back and he’s basically somehow entitled to sell the tv rights to something called ‘formula 1 motor racing’ (there’s a formula one in motorbike racing too iirc… It’s not a grand prix class there for some reason) he doesn’t own the cars or the teams/manufacturers or the drivers or the racetracks. Funny old deal, you’d need a corporate lawyer to explain how it’s supposed to make sense but afaict the people who make the sport happen (drivers, tracks, manufacturers) could keep the tv money for themselves by doing the exact same thing as they do now and just calling it something different to ‘formula 1′

Glorious, David, glorious.

“Sue R
4 July 2009, 8:00 pm

Isn’t his wife a Slav? She’d have suffered under the Nazis. I’m not sure if they aren’t divorced now. I seem to remember reading an article that said he started off in motor-cycle racing in the 40s. I imagine he is voicing the type of opinions of men from that background.”

You’re painting a picture now – black leather jacket, knee high boots and a military style helmet.

Actually, she might be a Serb or a Croat. Something like that anyway.

Was their marriage blessed by Pavelic?

Why does our omnipotent, benevolent God allow such stupid and unpleasant men to become rich and powerful?

Because he has a wicked sense of humour?

Yes, but you haven’t explained why we allow them to stay rich and powerful…..

Maybe if I become unpleasant enough God will reward me with money.

Oooh new form of religion.

With his oppinions, why exactly does he care about “starving children in Africa” (assuming he’s not talking about white South Africans)?

I feel guilty that I assumed Ecclestone to be Jewish.

I feel relieved that he isn’t, since I’ve always considered him a vulgar
repellent little turd.

All I can really say about Bernie is summed up by the following photograph

And your point is?

His racism would have been less despicable/more acceptable if he’d been ten inches taller, better looking and forty years closer in age to the women he’s posing alongside (one or other or both of whom might have been his wife or intimate personal friend)?

Being ten inches smaller, ugly looking and forty years older than the women you marry/hang out with makes you racist?

I had the unpleasant experience two weeks ago of reading the vile SpeakYou’reBranes comments attached to a Guido Fawkes’ post which showed a similar scornful/envious fixation with John Bercow’s height, especially because of his being a good bit shorter than his very attractive and rather younger wife.

I’m sorry to find similar pathetic male obsessions being pandered to by you on HP.

Still, at least you spared us any speculations on how far he can pee compared with you.

Sue R –

I think she’s a Serb but Serbs and Croats are Slavs are they not? Wasn’t Jugoslavia = Southern Slavs. Only the Slovenians were not Slavs I think (Macedonians might disagree).

Judy –

I think it’s reasonable to take people to task for their own physical shortcomings when they appear to be speaking up for a creed that was murderously intolerant of physical defects – and which had plenty of defects represented in its leadership: Hitler’s testicular absence, Goebbels’ club foot, Goering’s girth, Himmler’s visual disability, Hess’s lunacy etc.

Speaking for myself, Judy, my thoughts at seeing John Bercow with Sally Illman was, you jammy dodger whatever your height is. He’s only seven years older and, shorter than average he may be, he’s not that short… a few inches shorter than she is, I’d say. Plus, it was touching to see them with new sprog in a buggy; and he looks quite sympathetic.

Ecclestone, however, married a woman 28 years his junior and is a repellent-looking real short-arse. I will continue to laugh at that piccie if you don’t mind.

I think it’s reasonable to take people to task for their own physical shortcomings when they appear to be speaking up for a creed that was murderously intolerant of physical defects

So it’s more acceptable to be speaking up for a creed that’s murderously intolerant of physical defects if you’re a 100% gloriously grand and perfect specimen of the required and height and looks, eh? Nice! Same reasoning lay behind the very strict physical-perfection standards for recruitment to the SS.

So it’s more acceptable to be speaking up for a creed that’s murderously intolerant of physical defects if you’re a 100% gloriously grand and perfect specimen of the required and height and looks, eh?

A casual reading of Field’s comment should indicate that he is *disapproving* of the biological racism of Nazism, so your attempt to portray him as otherwise fails at the first hurdle. It’d be far more reasonable to infer prudery from your interjection.

So it’s more acceptable to be speaking up for a creed that’s murderously intolerant of physical defects if you’re a 100% gloriously grand and perfect specimen of the required and height and looks, eh?

That is clearly not what Field was suggesting, as Alec has pointed out.

His comment was about the hypocrisy of a physically imperfect human being speaking up for a movement that abhorred physical imperfection.

By no stretch of the imagination could it be interpreted as a suggestion that some defences of Nazism are more acceptable than others, according to the appearance of the speaker.

How true to form that the usual Liebour partisans are trying to spin this as typical of some mythical jingoistic conservative generation:

Graham

It does probably a hide a few silly old men who are still living in the fifties though…

As opposed to illustrating that ‘donkey with a red rosette’ Liebour types will stop at nothing to excuse fellow partisans…

Paul

Pointing to Hitler as an example of ‘leadership’ and ‘getting things done’ is quite a familiar activity among old, deluded twats who believe that the country’s going to the dogs: “You can say what you like about Hitler but he had some good ideas!”

No, it isn’t. And certainly not amongst the generation who suffered the consequences of fascism and fought the Nazis. It’s about as atypical as you can get. What is, however, a common trait amongst Liebour zealots, is to smear conservatives with the evils of successive ideologies grounded in socialism.

Modernity

Looking at that Daily Mail article, a fair few commenters actually agree with Ecclestone, which I suppose tells you a lot about Mail readers?

Looking at the Daily Mail article, it’s quite obvious to anyone with any common sense that someone like you (what was the moniker you chose earlier to reveal this cheap trick to us?) has written a couple of supportive comments entirely at odds with the rest of the comments on the thread and then promoted them excessively by refreshing your browser. Given that it was you who first mentioned, and was no doubt a key participant in, the sabotaged poll at the Daily Mail a few weeks ago, you’d have thought that another bit of Liebour fanaticism against the Mail ‘announced’ by you would set off a few alarm bells.

It just goes to show that when obsessive Liebour devotion is required, you can always rely on Graham the NUT Maoist and his pal Modernity to oblige. Where’s Brownie though, I wonder? He’s normally at the forefront of any New Liebour or Tony B. Liar sycophancy.

“Alec
A casual reading of Field’s comment should indicate that he is *disapproving* of the biological racism of Nazism, so your attempt to portray him as otherwise fails at the first hurdle. It’d be far more reasonable to infer prudery from your interjection.”

I think that’s more or less right Alec. Not sure where prudery comes in from??!!!??

There can be nothing more stupid than racism as proved by the two great racist movements of the 20th century – Hitler’s Aryan project and Japan’s attempt to rule half the planet – both ending in abject failure.

If people wanted to advance racist theories they should go with the French and the Singaporeans.

Nah, Field, the prudery accusation was against Judy. She does have a tendency to read crude sexual taunts into comments. It would take quite a stretch of the imagination to compare that Guido thread to this one, but it didn’t stop her going all Mary Whitehouse.

See Oliver Kamm:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/formula_1/article6633563.ece

Codpiece: “No, it isn’t. And certainly not amongst the generation who suffered the consequences of fascism and fought the Nazis. It’s about as atypical as you can get. What is, however, a common trait amongst Liebour zealots, is to smear conservatives with the evils of successive ideologies grounded in socialism.”

Sigh. You did see that I was talking about a particular type ‘of old deluded twat’ didn’t you? Of which I consider Ecclestone to be. Old people aren’t all fascist-fighting heroes you know – some of them are quite unpleasant, backward-thinking idiots. As are some people of every generation. So take your misty-eyed gerontophilia and stick it up your Tory arse.

Looking at that Daily Mail article, a fair few commenters actually agree with Ecclestone, which I suppose tells you a lot about Mail readers?

Looking at the antisemitic stuff in the Guardian, never mind the comments, tells you a lot about Guardian readers.

So take your misty-eyed gerontophilia and stick it up your Tory arse.

This tells us all we need to know about the mean IQ of Labour supporters here.

Miles up, when I said Pevelic, of course I meant Dragonovic.

David T

‘Has Oona King applied yet?

Or Linda Bellos!’

Oh no Linda Bellos would have a crash, she’d be disabled and there would be no stopping her rise to power of the formula 1 shadow state. yikes

Gordon Bennett: “This tells us all we need to know about the mean IQ of Labour supporters here.”

What, that it’s reasonably high? I mean, come on man – did you not note my use of the word ‘gerontophilia’?

That said, you’re spot on about Guardian readers…

I have little evidence to support this, but I’m willing to bet the mean IQ of Guardian readers is actually pretty high.

“I have little evidence to support this, but I’m willing to bet the mean IQ of Guardian readers is actually pretty high.”

Jako, it is possible to be very intelligent and take no account of evidence – a feature of many clever but lazy minds throughout history who have preferred ‘revealed truths’ or their own a priori thoughts to the hard grind of going out and finding out from evidence and experiment how the world actually works.

This is the dominant intellectual feature of the latter day Guardian reader.

Where is Diana Mosley (nee Mitford) when we need her?

Aren’t the big teams breaking away from F1 any more? What a pity.

He was totally taken out of context. And as far as Oona King and Belos are concerned they are as Jewish as my long departed foreskin.