Harry's Place

Anyone using Carter Fuck (or Schillings) is ipso facto guilty of whatever they’ve been accused of.

No need for lawyers or trials, Lucy Lips has already decided guilt.

If a credible investigation could be launched, this should be done so that the people of Bangladesh can move on from the terrible crimes that were committed. I can’t see this being done in Bangladesh, there’s so much political baggage attached to the issues. Is there any way under English law that an investigation could be based here?

If anyone is looking for someone to head an inquiry I imagine Goldstone has some free time now. And what about that British-Palestinian (I am an orphan) barrister who specialises in applying for arrests for human rights violations?

The Jamaatis supported the Pakistani army in their genocide of their fellow Bangladeshis because the break-up of Pakistan was according to them a betrayal of the ummah. It has to be remembered that the Pakistani army specifically targetted Hindus in east Bengal in the genocide as well as Bengali nationalists, leftists, academics and artists. The genocide in east Bengal by the Pakistani army is the forgotten genocide of the 21st Century. That ideological proponents of it are active in the UK is sickening, but illustrative of the kind of mentality that persists within the Islamic political movement in Britain. That they are allied with the MCB, who boycotted Holocaust memorial day, throws that incident into starker and more interesting relief.

Incidentally, this is another reason why the Government can have no dealings with the Muslim Council of Britain.

Come on, Nu Labour are in bed with them. So are The Guardian. They see the MCB as a perfectly legitimate and reasonable organisation, completely ignoring their rather odious “affiliates”. Even the Gruaniad’s favourite Muslim spokesperson (Inayat Bungalawa, who can be a very sensible moderate at times) has some rather shady past history.

Likewise, this is why the likes of Boris and Lord Phillips are fools to accept invitations to visit the East London Mosque and the London Muslim Centre.

It is because either they are after political influence (a lot of Muslims live in London!) and votes, or, as I more suspect, are frightened of upsetting the MCB, and as a result, Muslims in general – even though we are frequently told that many Muslims don’t see the MCB as representing them.

Live long and prosper.

Phillips and Boris don’t have to visit the East London Mosque to be what they are – hic propter quod sunt, eh?

Whereas Sharkie simply makes snarky, morally-vacuous comments.

>> If a credible investigation could be launched, this should be done so that the people of Bangladesh can move on from the terrible crimes that were committed.

The same can be said of any violations of the rules of law and humanity in a civil setting. D’you take the BNP line on all such abuses, or just ones which can be used as a sneer against Harry’s Place?

>> I can’t see this being done in Bangladesh, there’s so much political baggage attached to the issues. Is there any way under English law that an investigation could be based here?

Who’s suggesting there should be? This is about a free press, and exchange of thoughts.

It’s just occurred to be what was most stupid about Sharkie’s comment. Delwar Hussein’s family *does* hail from there.

Idiot.

Excellent.

In the US connections between Islamist groups and Hamas seem to have been sufficient to destroy the groups.

I doubt Brits mind terrorism in Israel enough for that to matter, so it’s good to see this illustration that Islamist ethic cleansing/genocide is not caused by Jews.

I think Brits will care about this, since Jews weren’t involved. Good, get the bastard.

Alec, or Lucy, whatever your name is, read what I said, not what you think. I realise that the posting of this issue here is driven not by any care for the serious issue involved, but by your own personal gripes with JI associated groups in the UK. But the war crimes are a lingering sore in the Bangladeshi community that you clearly don’t understand.

I know Delwar well, I agree with his concerns and passion, if not always with his methods. Pointing the finger at suspects without any meaningful follow through has brought us nowhere in all the years since independence, let alone since the Channel 4 documentary. Opportunities to investigate the matter didn’t disappear in 1975, both the Awami League and BNP could have taken up this matter since if they had wanted to, with no concern that the miniscule JI party could prevent or influence any investigation. But what drives everything in Bangladesh is political opportunism, coupled with concerns about not dragging into the public limelight matters that might cause problems for other parties in these affairs.

Whether CM is guilty or not, I don’t know, and certainly you can’t know. He can’t be dragged to Bangladesh for a trial, and no investigation there has ever had any credibility. I wish – and this was the essence of what I posted – that he could be investigated here, as he’s a British Citizen accused of a terrible crime. I suspect that after nearly 40 years nothing short of confessions from those involved will ever get us nearer the truth.

Don’t trivialise the matter, nor pretend it’s a matter of the free press when it is suggested not only that he shouldn’t seek legal redress, but that there should be no engagement with groups with which he is associated. Let there be due process and, if he’s found guilty, line him up against the wall and shoot him, it would be all he deserved. Then ask those groups he’s linked with to answer for their associations.

Alec – or Lucy, whatever your name is – read what I said, not what you think. I realise that the posting of this issue here is driven not by any care for the serious issue involved, but by gripes with JI associated groups in the UK. War crimes are a lingering sore in the Bangladeshi community that you clearly don’t understand.

I know Delwar well, I agree with his concerns and passion, if not always with his methods. Pointing the finger at suspects without any meaningful follow through has brought us nowhere in all the years since independence, let alone since the Channel 4 documentary. Opportunities to investigate the matter didn’t disappear in 1975, both the Awami League and BNP could have taken up this matter since if they had wanted to, with no concern that the miniscule JI party could prevent or influence any investigation. What drives everything in Bangladesh is political opportunism, coupled with concerns about not dragging into the public limelight matters that might cause problems for other parties to these affairs.

Is CM is guilty or not? I don’t know, and certainly you don’t know. He can’t be dragged to Bangladesh for a trial, and no investigation there has ever had any credibility. I wish – and this was the essence of what I posted – that he could be investigated here, as he’s a British citizen accused of a terrible crime. I suspect that after nearly 40 years nothing short of confessions from those involved will ever get us nearer the truth.

Don’t trivialise the matter, nor pretend it’s a matter of the ‘free press’ when it is suggested here not only that he shouldn’t seek legal redress, but that there should be no engagement with groups with which he is associated. Let there be due process and, if he’s found guilty, line him up against the wall and shoot him, it would be all he deserved. Then ask those groups he’s linked with to answer for their associations.

Is CM is guilty or not? I don’t know, and certainly you don’t know. He can’t be dragged to Bangladesh for a trial, and no investigation there has ever had any credibility. I wish – and this was the essence of what I posted – that he could be investigated here, as he’s a British citizen accused of a terrible crime. I suspect that after nearly 40 years nothing short of confessions from those involved will ever get us nearer the truth.

Hmmm.

I’m not so sure. We’ve managed to catch and try others after the passage of many years.

>> Alec – or Lucy, whatever your name is

You’re a loonie.

And you, Alec, are a sad troll – go and exploit someone else’s cause.

And you, Alec, are a sad troll – go and exploit someone else’s cause.

I could go on about racist the attitude is that genocide is only your concern and that if anyone outside is concerned with justice they’re “exploiting” you.

But I don’t actually believe you mean any word you’ve said. I think you have your own reason for not wanting anything brought to light and you’re throwing up a smokescreen.

Sharkie, you’re an idiot, a complete and utter idiot. This thread is not directly about who did what in 1971… it’s about the aggressive pursuit of illiberalism through British libel laws.

Now either stop being an idiot, or clear off.

Alec, I don’t need you to tell me what the thread is about, you barely got past the headline yourself, two of ‘Lucy Lips’ four paragraphs have nothing to do with libel. My position is that there should be an investigation – libel laws shouldn’t prevent that, even when they’re being abused. Your position is – oh, hang on, you haven’t given any position, you’ve just mouthed off, and misunderstood what I’ve written.

I don’t have any problem with Delwar’s CiF article, hard to see how a libel action could stick when he’s not making accusations himself, nor implying guilt. Looks to me, though, that ‘Lucy Lips’ was implying guilt and taking the opportunity to stick one on the MCB et al.

So, Alec, “either stop being an idiot, or clear off.”

Now you’re a post modern idiot who thinks he can make words mean whatever he wants them to mean, and throw back remarks without explanation.

The thread title was about libel. “Two of LL’s four paragraphs had nothing to two with libel”? Just what sort of idiot are you? Even if this didn’t mean that 50% were, there is the concept of joined-up thinking and thoughts leading on from one another.

Now, what sort of troll appears on a thread to scream and shout in order to shut down freedom of the press? Mueen-Uddin has not done too badly in this country, and could respond with a counter-argument… instead he has screamed and shouted to shut down dissent.

>> I don’t have any problem with Delwar’s CiF article, hard to see how a libel action could stick when he’s not making accusations himself, nor implying guilt.

This is another of those most stupid comments from Sharkie. What he’s accusing LL of is simply a reiteration of DH’s article.

>> Looks to me, though, that ‘Lucy Lips’ was implying guilt and taking the opportunity to stick one on the MCB et al.

Well, then, you’re a fucking idiot. A fucked-up beyond fucking belief idiot. You’re making yourself a fucking laughing stock.

> Now, what sort of troll appears on a thread to scream and shout in order to shut down freedom of the press?

That would be you, Alec. Your demented, foaming at the mouth rantings – a mixture of abuse, swearing and painful ignorance, with no meaningful contribution to the topic whatsoever – are all a bit sad, really. I mean, you do come across as being very dim indeed.