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Busted!

And what do they have in common? Jew hatred (sometimes thinly disguised as “anti-Zionism”). How depressing. I wonder how this will turn out for Europe. Perhaps in 30 years we will be looking back at the seeds of the next European war. I remain committed to moving to the US within 6 years. Maybe there is a future living the Larry David lifestyle in Santa Monica…at least the weather is good.

B

You couldn’t make it up.

5 million “refugees”? You could not make it up.

This is what the Israelis got for being moral. Had the Arab armies won in ‘48 or ‘67, there would be no Israeli “refugees” or 60 years of UN support because they would be dead. No, I am not wishing that the Israelis had slaughtered the 500,000 odd arabs who might just about have been called refugees. They are better than that and I am glad. But it does seem to me that the Arabs never really know when they have been beaten and Israeli morality in war gets them no credit anywhere (indeed it is seen as weakness) and only serves to give hope to their enemies.

B

Are you really surprised?

Excellent article. Dr. Finkelstein and “Lady” Morvai nice combination.
“I would be glad if those who call themselves proud Hungarian Jews would go and play with their own little circumcised pricks instead of slurring me,” says Hungarian Krisztina Morvai, a controversial newcomer to the European Parliament, who’s party, Jobbik, has gained three seats in the European Parliament.

Ms Morvai, a lawyer, made her comments on her Hungarian website just days before the European elections. She felt provoked by criticism from the Hungarian Jew Gábor Barát, managing director of a radiological institute in New York. Mr Barát referred to Ms Morvai, leader of the extreme right-wing party Jobbik, when expressing his concerns about xenophobic elements in his home country.

What next? Michelle Renouf at a StWC rally?

The creatures outside looked from fascist to socialist, and from socialist to liberal, and from liberal to Islamist; but already it was impossible to say which was which.

can you provide more evidence that it’s a front for hamas, please?

the links you provided don’t actually demonstrate that.

What next? Michelle Renouf at a StWC rally?

Why not? They’re keen on Daud Abdullah. And Paul Craig Roberts too.

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/10/02/the-stop-the-war-coalition-pushing-haters/

They’ve published another rant from Roberts, by the way.

http://stopwar.org.uk/content/view/1533/1/

What next? Michelle Renouf at a StWC rally?

Has already happened

http://thebristolblogger.wordpress.com/2007/10/20/quiz-night-answers/

Not sure whether the Hungarian media would pick up this story. Most of these names are meaningless to them (except Krisztina’s obviously). Which is a real shame.

can you provide more evidence that the prc is a front for hamas, please?

the links you provided don’t actually demonstrate that.

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/03/06/london-hamasniks-and-interpal/

Yes they do. The PRC was created as part of the push to undermine Oslo by Hamas-linked groups. The Holy Land Foundation, and the various other entities that were identified as co-conspirators in that successful prosecution was its US parallel.

That is why it employs those who are Hamas members, like Majdi Akeel, and why its conferences always showcase senior Hamas officers.

As you might appreciate, Hamas is a terrorist organisation which is proscribed in much of the West. Therefore it would be problematic for the PRC to declare itself a Hamas front. Nevertheless, that is most certainly what it is.

Are you a Jobbik member?

You’d fit right in with either Jobbik or Hamas.

Why not apply for tickets to this conference?

Lucy just give it a rest…comparing harry, a guy you don’t even know, to a violent, genocidal, rascist organisation shows how you like to debate

HH (88), don’t you have anything else better to do?

Many people on the Left have supported fascists for a long time now…..especially if those fascists just happen to be anti-Israel or anti-U.S.

Just look at the support Ahmadinejad gets.

Live long….

HarryH: My blood boils too at the treatment of these wretched women,
after this report I have just received from another British charity working for these women’s welfare, (which also criticizes UNWRA ):

Now whose fault is all of the following??

“The study notes that Lebanon has signed the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) but has not committed itself to Article 16, which governs equitable marriage and family relations, which undermines the purpose of the treaty…

..Lebanese law forbids Palestinians from working in 72 professions, including engineering, medicine, law and public-sector jobs. But Palestinian women face further obstacles in the workforce, such as discriminatory conditions favoring men who lack familial responsibility. These structural challen­ges have been codified to become standard practice in Lebanon…

..The study offers that inequality between the genders has also been exacerbated by the reinterpretation of the Koran on religious duties to excuse the marginalization and abuse of women. They put the rise in fundamentalism in the camps down to the disempowerment of women, who have been stripped of decision-making power…

..Not only barred from participating in Lebanon’s politics, refugee women in Burj al-Barajneh also find themselves ex­cluded from the Popular Committee, the internal decision-making body responsible for electricity, water supply and the overall running of the over-crowded camp…

..The holy book represents a crucial tool for education and the pursuit of equitable communities, yet the WHO find that it is now being used to restrict rather than maximize the contribution women make to society. The study particularly refers to long-standing cultural traditions that recognize domestic violence as a custom…

..Forty-one percent of women indicated that either they or women close to them are exposed to physical violence, including hitting, slapping or pushing. Given the widespread view that violence must remain private, the most common coping strategy for women facing abuse was to “keep silent and stay patient.”..

Twelve percent of the women were found to be illiterate, ..
..Comments in the focus group with WHO underlined the sheer desperation women in the camp felt, with many saying they felt “buried alive” and often comparing their lives with animals, stating, “Dogs have better lives than we do.”..

Despite the camp’s proximity to Beirut, 91 percent of women responded that they did not see themselves as part of Lebanese society, while 100 percent reported feeling isolated from the outside world.
Sixty-two percent said they would like to live outside the camp,

..Yet at the same time President Michel Sleiman, addressing the UN General Assembly last week, rejected any form of settlement of Palestinian refugees in Lebanon, saying that their position will be “neither compromised nor reversed.”

Makes one’s blood boil, doesn’t it.

http://womensphere.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/palestinian-women-denied-rights-even-in-lebanon-refugee-camp/

No HH; It is the deliberate perpetuation of their misery for political purposes by the host governments of what should have been settled years ago like every other exchange of populations as a result of war in history.

You know perfectly well that a lot of people of all political persuasions are justifiably disgusted by Israel’s genocidal policies against the Palestinians

If Israel had genocidal policies toward the Palestinians there would not be any Palestinians. Prick.

There were also Israeli refugees in Israel 60 years ago. They aren’t there now.

There were Sudentan German refugees in Germany 60 years ago. They aren’t there now.

There are reasons there are refugee camps in Palestine now, and not all of them are to do with Israel surprisingly enough.

HH
I don’t think Lucy was either literally or figuratively ‘kicking the poorest people on Earth’. This post was a critique of people involved in a particular conference. I do not believe the Palestinian cause is best served by these people, who in many cases have their own agenda. This, I feel was the essence of the post. Your post also seems to suggest that living in New York and being ‘rich’ precludes someone from having a valid opinion. Is the validity of someones argument relative to their poverty? In which case, I am sure that my opinion is the most valid here.

“So support their right of return!”

Finally revealed, you want 5m Arabs to enter Israel, so swamping the existing population and effectively destroying the country and prevailing Jewish culture (although I doubt you object to the existence of states characterised as Arab or Islamic or would want them similarly overrun).

Of course the various Arab dictators love keeping the Palestinians unsettled-it allows Israel to remain a scapegoat for their own domestic repression and their social and economic failure.

How about supporting reparations from Arab countries for the 1m odd Jewish refugees (real ones!)? Actually in Arab/UNWRA terms there must be 3-4million Jewish refugees in Israel nowadays. Not a penny from the UN so far though! Being a Western Jew-hater, you are only interested in Arab refugees, of course…

B

i appreciate the points but the link you’ve provided – twice now – is not backing up the claims in your post.

the link identifies a closeness, and an invitation of Hamas members to speak, but it doesn’t provide the evidence about ‘the push to undermine Oslo by Hamas-linked groups’ that you mention. there’s a sentence or two about this ‘undermining Oslo’ push by a single man (however nasty) but he’s not named as a member of hamas.

and equally, the stuff at the end of it about Akeel only shows that he has links to extremists.

I’d like to see more evidence of its being a front for hamas as opposed to a hamas-friendly organisation.

neither thing is good at all, but there is a difference.

apologies – made a mistake there. the article does indeed provde evidence about a hamas-linked person psuhing to disrupt Oslo.

but – to reiterate – all it ultimately shows is that some of the people who are involved in the PRC have links to hamas.

nsaty – yes – but you have not shown that it’s a front for hamas.

Ben Dror Yemini’s article is worth a read. http://www.solomonia.com/blog/archives/009518.shtml

He says (inter alia)” Only with respect to the Palestinians does the world harp on the “right of return.” Different rules apply to God’s little acre, which just happens to be the acre of the Jews. Rules developed for other nations that have been the subject of mass population transfers – India, Pakistan, Turkey, Greece, Czechoslovakia, and dozens of others – suddenly no longer apply when it comes to Israel.

Entire international organizations deal with just one group of the last century’s refugees – the Palestinians. An entire international bureaucracy and a worldwide propaganda campaign is devoted not to alleviating the plight of Palestinian refugees but to perpetuating it.”

“UNRWA applies a far more expansive definition of refugee to Palestinians than that applied by UNHCR to refugees anywhere else in the world. According to UNRWA’s definition, an Egyptian, Jordanian, Lebanese, or Syrian citizen whose primary place of residence between June 1946 and May 1948 was within Israel’s 1949 armistice lines is classified as a refugee, even if he was only temporarily in the country in search of work.

The effect of the special treatment of Palestinian refugees by the U.N. is not to solve the plight of Palestinian refugees but to perpetuate it.”

“Barad
5 million “refugees”? You could not make it up.”

They can make it up, internally displaced peoples are not typically classified as refugees.
So if in 1948 you traveled to Gaza from Jaffa, you were not a refugee, but a displaced person; except the UN said you were and so were your future descendants.

La Cumparsita And to add for the sake of completeness, although mentioned many times here and elsewhere, the only refugees in the world whose status is hereditary and passed down in perpetuity.

So we are still lost. will we ever learn from history?

Sensible Dave, precisely what I was referring to. I also recall the BNP Youth wing infiltrating the Manchester StWC.

Has Harry88 been banned?

wow, what a post – brilliant!

‘Has Harry88 been banned?’

Hope so. He was a complete O2 thief. Waste of DNA, if you ask me.

I’m almost pleased to see those spam-bots.

Has Norman Finkelstein been hired as a professor recently? If not, it’s inaccurate and inappropriate for this conference to identify him as a professor.

This also indicates just how politicised UNWRA is because if there was anything respectable about that organisation it would not allow itself to be associated with some of the names on that list.
Ever since I first saw it with my own eyes I’ve always considered it highly unethical that UNWRA is staffed to a very large degree by the very people it was established to help. That’s hardly an incentive for effective problem solving or a time limitation on the organisation’s mandate.

The only persecuted or dead Arabs that HH and so many others like him care about are those he can blame Israel for. Mahmoud Darwish, the late Palestinian poet who was no friend of Israel, knew exactly why Lebanon’s treatment of palestinians would merit nary a mention by HH and, in fact, most of the world. He said: “Do you know why we Palestinians are famous? Because you are our enemy. The interest in us stems from the interest in the Jewish issue. The interest is in you, not in me. So we have the misfortune of having Israel as an enemy, because it enjoys unlimited support. And we have the good fortune of having Israel as our enemy, because the Jews are the center of attention. You’ve brought us defeat and renown.”
Sadly, truer words were never spoken.

vildechaye,
In what way is it true to say that Israel enjoys unlimited support?
And were Jews the centre of international attention in 1943?

On the other hand, Rachel Rudolf – “Professor” in Political Science seems very sweet. Watch her here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6SrZPX9WGc or read her MySpace here http://www.myspace.com/rachael_rudolph

Goals for the future: “for myself personally to learn… for my students [that they have] a better understanding of the Middle East”. Nice. “The role of Islam in politics and stuff, it’s not homogeneous”. Right. Thank goodness Emory has someone like her teaching their courses on Islamic Civilization and on American Foreign Policy.

Except for the way she talks about “resistance movements” when talking about Hamas and FIS.

ac: I will concede that Jews/Israel do not receive unlimited support. I took issue with that part of the quote too, but from a Palestinian point of view I think he meant “from the West” or “from the U.S.” and that’s probably how it appears to him. Anyway, I can’t cut the middle out of a quotation like that. As for 1943, yes the Jews were the center of attention: unfortunately, it was the kind of attention no group should ever have to endure.