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Hi just a quickie to you, what you need to do is collate all the stuff they have said about you that is Clearly Rancid & false put it in a book & you guaranteed to get Fiction of the year award, and there a Booker Prize for that as well, Then you can have a bit of a holiday & with rest of money, use it to carry on with your VERY GOOD WORK :-).

Theirs is a tiny, irrelevant world that’s populated by a bunch of tiny-minded, irrelevant cunts. And yet the way you talk about them we’d be forgiven for thinking that it is, in fact, a larger and more relevant world.

Cunts. Little cunts. That’s all you need to say about them.

Islamophobia is a myth, just a term used by people on the Left of the Bell Curve who have ran out of excuses for Islam’s more dubious aspects.

Live long…

Honestly, I think it’s time to sort out the spam filter.

What’s the latest title banner?

“Theirs is a tiny, irrelevant world that’s populated by a bunch of tiny-minded, irrelevant cunts. And yet the way you talk about them we’d be forgiven for thinking that it is, in fact, a larger and more relevant world.

Cunts. Little cunts. That’s all you need to say about them.”

How very nice Paul nice to see all the right spots are being reached
I was always informed that C**** were useful

Oh! what a wonderful bunch you all are

Paul:

Why equate creepy people who are both male and female with female genitalia?

People who were really concerned about the welfare of ordinary Muslims in the UK would be eager to draw and maintain a strct dividing line between them and radical and violent Islamists.

Interestingly there are two groups that seem not to want to do this. One is Respect and its satellites and groupuscules. The oher is the BNP.

Andy Newman has now had to make a public apology to the Green Left on this – he still hasn’t apologised to Tatchell though :

http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4868

Hear hear to the original post.

The “islamophobia” smear often used whenever someone says anything remotely critical of Islam, a muslim group or a muslim individual is very tiresome and just cheapens the word even more. If it continues it will be worthless and real cases of Islamophobia will be lost/unnoticed amongst all the smears and “boy who cried wolf” situations. Hopefully the parts of the left who are still using such tactics will soon realise this. The “racist” smear whenever someone questioned immigration is now disintegrating and “islamophobia” will go the same way.

“Why equate creepy people who are both male and female with female genitalia?”

Oh, you’ve got me bang to rights there Lynne. Well done. But why waste your time making tedious (and curiously old fashioned) right on comments that the vast majority of (normal) people couldn’t give a stuff about?

But anyway, if it pleases you, they’re not cunts. They’re pricks. No, cocks. Hmm, that’s not strong enough is it? Twats? Still not strong enough.

Ah yes, cunts. That’s what they are: cunts.

…comments that the vast majority of (normal) people couldn’t give a stuff about…

You couldn’t be more wrong – there is no wit, insight or dignity in your post or yourself, and I suppose that you would like to be everything that you are not – civilised.

I’m with Doris and Lynne on this. Cunts are wonderful. That’s how I entered this world. I generally avoid anatomical epithets, but if absolutely required, I’ll opt for “dickhead” or “asshole” (North American spelling). Neither is strong enough, however, for some of the “Islamophobe-mongers”.

Paul, you might think it’s ‘curiously old fashioned’ to take exception at gender based aggressive language but that description might be better suited directed at you. Here you are on a thread about why we must uphold equality for all and you think it’s acceptable to use the word ‘cunts’. Not only that, but you think it’s OK to do so repeatedly. It isn’t.

Paul is an asshole.

To repeat a comment I just posted on SU: All this proves what the anarchists and eco-warriors who were my political mentors always told anyone who would listen: The hard Left are the kiss of death to effective activism. Activist groups should ban members of the SWP and other cults from joining campaigns, as they inevitably try to take them over, and screw them up royally in the process.

Why don’t the SWP et al just disband? They don’t do any good and they do a lot of harm, they set people against each other, they suck up to reactionaries, and only seem interested in power for themselves within the activist left, power which they are not in any way qualified to wield.

All the SWP want to do is take over grassroots organisations and screw them over from within. They are actually hostile to human rights and community cohesion and need to turfed out.

badnewswade

Why do you assume that the fact that their views would lead to a thouroughly dysfunctional world would be any deterrent to SWP types contiuning to try to achieve the same. Surely most people of totalitarian beliefs know in their heart of hearts that their ideas will screw everything up but plough on regardless. Indeed for the Islamists it seems to be an article of faith – Taliban Afghanistan with all its squalor is precisely what they want.

Agreed, Dave2. Though I suppose an apology from him would be too much to ask …

Daniella:
“gender based aggressive language”

Sigh.

It’s a different world where you are isn’t it Daniella? Always polite, no aggression, no silly gender distinctions, no swearing, no high emotions – it’s all just calm and lovely and sweetness and light.

In the meantime, here in the real world words like ‘cunt’, I’m afraid to tell you – and please prepare yourself because you won’t like this – are used with a certain degree of abandon. Naughty, foul-mouthed tossers, right? Moreover, they’re used to express certain levels of feeling. That is, whether you like it or not, ‘cunt’ is a term of abuse that has been largely accepted. Not necessarily liked, but accepted. And the people that use the word, you may be surprised to hear, aren’t necessarily women-hating lunatics. Unlike those I directed my original ire at.

But if you don’t like me using that word all I can say is tough.

Daniella:
“gender based aggressive language”

Sigh.

It’s a different world where you are isn’t it Daniella? Always polite, no aggression, no silly gender distinctions, no swearing, no high emotions – it’s all just calm and lovely and sweetness and light.

In the meantime, here in the real world words like ‘cunt’, I’m afraid to tell you – and please prepare yourself because you won’t like this – are used with a certain degree of abandon. Naughty, foul-mouthed tossers, right? Moreover, they’re used to express certain levels of feeling. That is, whether you like it or not, ‘cunt’ is a term of abuse that has been largely accepted. Not necessarily liked, but accepted. And the people that use the word, you may be surprised to hear, aren’t necessarily women-hating lunatics. Unlike those I directed my original ire at.

But if you don’t like me using that word all I can say is tough.

Daniella:
“gender based aggressive language”

Sigh.

It’s a different world where you are isn’t it Daniella? Always polite, no aggression, no silly gender distinctions, no swearing, no high emotions – it’s all just calm and lovely and sweetness and light.

In the meantime, here in the real world words like ‘cunt’, I’m afraid to tell you – and please prepare yourself because you won’t like this – are used with a certain degree of abandon. Naughty, foul-mouthed tossers, right? Moreover, they’re used to express certain levels of feeling. That is, whether you like it or not, ‘cunt’ is a term of abuse that has been largely accepted. Not necessarily liked, but accepted. And the people that use the word, you may be surprised to hear, aren’t necessarily women-hating lunatics. Unlike those I directed my original ire at.

But if you don’t like me using that word all I can say is: tough.

Didn’t mean to post three times. What a c**t.

There, is that better?

And Daniella, why do you think you warrant an apology? Because someone said something you didn’t like? Wow. You must have people saying sorry to you all day long.

Didn’t mean to post three times. What a c**t.

There, is that better?

And Daniella, why do you think you warrant an apology? Because someone said something you didn’t like? Wow. You must have people saying sorry to you all day long.

Badnewswade

It’s about fighting for a belief system that promises to deliver salvation for humanity, rather than having any empathy for actual human beings themselves. It seems to have something to do with Simon Baron-Cohen’s theory of autism being an example of the extreme male-brain. ‘Male’ brains (and this isn’t gender specific – simply a shorthand for a phenomenon that is more prevalent in males) are better at systemising and abstract thought processes – political theory on both the left and right and Islamism spring immediately to mind. The reduced ability to empathise and communicate that this also entails makes itself manifest in pretty obvious ways around the world.

The aggression and petulant destructiveness seems to stem from anxiety when the disconnect between their beliefs and reality becomes too much to ignore.

It’s a theory that appears to cast a lot of light on the protagonists of the various political and cultural conflicts we’re currently experiencing – suggesting that religion and political beliefs are not in and of themselves dangerous, but become dangerous when distorted by the tendencies of the extreme male-brain to systemise to such a degree that empathy becomes expelled from the equation.

But it hasn’t been picked up by political theorists or commentators – perhaps because of what it reveals about those who see humanity through the distorting prism of political theories.

And no, it’s not in the slightest ironic that I’m utilising theory to cast aspersions on those who utilise theories to understand humanity.

Not in the slightest.

In the meantime, here in the real world words like ‘cunt’, I’m afraid to tell you – and please prepare yourself because you won’t like this – are used with a certain degree of abandon.

By idiots like you, yes, indeed.

By idiots like you, yes, indeed.

I hope you will now apologise for the use of the word “idiot” which is offensive both to people with learning disabilities and Liverpool supporters.

Guess which word is off-topic.

Knock it off.

Thanks Gene – and guess what such garbage might well not find itself on line at my new improved blog :

http://moremedianonsense.blogspot.com/

All subsequent MMN posts will go here first (and HP if you’re lucky :)))

The word Islamophobia is worse than cunt because it implies that the person being accused of “islamophobia” is a racist bigot and worthy of condemnation or even violent opposition. Cunt is a wonderful piece of human anatomy and the best swear word ever. Those of you who are offended I say so what. It’s just a word.

I hate the word juxtaposition but I don’t throw my rattle out of the pram if someone says it and if I did you would be well within your rights to call me a cock.

Is the offence at the use of the c word because you think it is sexist? If so I say stop being so sensitive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GA7RTyjxgE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_osQvkeNRM

I say stop being so sensitive

The eternal cry of the bigot.

Andy has now shut down the debate, how embarassing for him :

http://www.socialistunity.com/?p=4869

On the previous thread HP was called all sorts of names by some “Anonymous” goon. When another contributor called this character out Andy closed the thread. Oh well.

The lesson of course is that the far Left cannot take it when its logical absurdities and dishonest tactics are revealed for all to see. When will they learn debate cannot be closed down on the Internet ?

It is not embarrassing for him, but for you.

This site is virulently anti-Muslim and Andy got sick of listening to your “logical absurdities and dishonest tactics”. You pretend not to be Islamophobic, but you nakedly are. It’s very unpleasant and you should get a life.

“This site is virulently anti-Muslim”

Any evidence for that ? – if its so obvious you should be able to provide links very quickly.

“You pretend not to be Islamophobic, but you nakedly are.”

Why ?

And “you just are” is not an answer.

Paul I am with you. Just a bunch of hyper-sensitive gender-PCers that have nothing better to do, who seem to be devoid of interesting things to say or ponder, wasting our time nitpiking on mere words, unfairly over-loading what has been said. Get a life I tell them – there is more to it than gender anatomy.

It looks like the definition of “Islamophobic” is now “disagreeing with the dishonest definition of Islamophobia put forward by Andy Newman and few others and rejected by everyone else (including their supposed allies)”.

The far Left losers are indeed getting desparate.

Melanie Thomas – “this site is virulently anti-Muslim”…Really? It’s virulently against muslim extremism and Islamism, yes, but not against the majority of mainstream muslims. How tiresome that you resort to blurring the distinction between Islam and Islamism.

Or in your politically correct bubble can we not be opposed to such an oppressive, fascist, barbaric idealogy that is resulting in people being stoned to death for adultery, theft etc in the 21st century? Or inspiring terrorist attacks all over the world?

There are a number of progressive muslims both on authoring some of the main posts or replying in the comments, you are very welcome here. This site is not anti-muslim; it’s anti-Islamist. I suggest you take your head out the sand and learn what the latter actually means.

Melania Thomas – As a former Muslim and now an apostate let me say that I do not sense anti-Muslim sentiments here. There is good anti-Islam feelings here which I commend as open minded and not stooping to the racism of lower expectations.

For anti-Islam sentiments you should blame the piece of gutter trash the Koran and its pedophile murderer founder Mohammad. Of course I don’t expect you to be knowledgable about such matters – but they are the facts.

Islamophobia means being critical of Islam. Could you tell me why one should not be critical of an inhumane gutter belief system that commands its followers to kill and abuse dissenters?

Tendance Coatesy statement on this battle;

http://tendancecoatesy.wordpress.com/2009/11/11/peter-tatchell-a-human-rights-defence/

Islamophobia mean to have an irational fear of Islam. Being afaraid of Islam is far from irrational – it’s is fearsome in its outright visciouness of mind and deed when confronted. Having a fear of something is half way to recognising it as something to be fought and defeated. That takes courage.

Just a bunch of hyper-sensitive gender-PCers

Anyone who knows me would be rolling in the aisles to hear me described as ‘PC’.

that have nothing better to do, who seem to be devoid of interesting things to say or ponder

What a desperate ‘argument’ from someone who has been found out to be a bigot: “You are devoid of interesting things to say”.

wasting our time nitpiking on mere words

Mere words, eh? So it’s OK to call someone kike, or yid, or nigger, or poof, eh? These are ‘mere words’, after all.

How pathetic and desperate your wriggling is.

Gordon – What a desperate ‘argument’ from someone who has been found out to be a bigot.

And your evidence for me being a “bigot” is exactly ???

Now your intolerant nitpiking and over-loading of mere words has descended into name-calling. My argument may be “desperate”. But yours is outright spiteful.

Why is the reputation of the Respect Party on issues of LGBT rights and Peter Tatchell being hung on the views on Andy Newman? He doesn’t represent the party and its policies. I think the party has got their views in the right place but don’t seem to have clearly drawn the line with its members.

I know George Galloway has always been a staunch supporter of LGBT rights but after leading Respect in 2003 – to gain Muslim support – he ‘diplomatically’ abstained on LGBT issue motions in parliament rather than oppose them.

LGBT issues were one of the reasons the socialist ultra left factors and the Muslims in the party split.

There was an issue with Peter Tatchell and Respect’s largest financial donor Dr Mohammed Naseem, chair if the Birmingham Central Mosque. Naseem was said to be part of the Islamic Party of Britain which was said to have believed in the death penalty for gays:
http://www.petertatchell.net/politics/cashforpower.htm

According to the Electoral Commission, with whom all registered political parties are obliged to share financial statements, the single largest donor to the Respect Party’s election war-chest was Dr Naseem. He paid £15,457.00 towards Respect’s Election drive, a whopping 29% of their total budget of ₤53,486.67 and more than 50% more than the next largest single donor – three times what George Galloway contributed.

Dr Naseem is on record, however, stating the ‘party’ was no more than a thinktank he was no longer a part of and that he was not concerned by what people did in their bedrooms. Tatchell claimed the link revealed the ‘rot at the core of Respect’. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/nov/25/uk.gayrights).

Then Tatchell came at loggerheads with Respect party member and Salma Yaqoob ’spin-doctor’ Adam Yosef. BBC writer Yosef wrote a regular column for a national newspaper in which he described Tatchell as ‘vile’ and and ‘Islamophobe’. Tatchell responded by referring to Yosef as a ‘homophobe’ and ‘xenophobe’ etc. Clearly, despite it being with the remit of Yosef’s journalism, it became a party matter with Tatchell demanded Yosef be expelled.
(http://www.petertatchell.net/politics/adamyosef.htm) and (http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/2006/1/17/the-witch-hunt-against-adam-yosef.html).
The Green Party got upset but Respect defended Adam Yosef, as did UK Muslim LGBT organisation Iman. Yosef apologised and Tatchell was given a right of reply by the newspaper.

Since Salma Yaqoob has taken the helm of Respect as Leader, there haven’t been any feuds based on LGBT issues and certainly not with Tatchell. Clearly Tatchell has really been the only person to take offence and to be the first to shout “homophobe”. I don’t think Respect in any of these cases has deliberately gone out to attack gay people but rather someone has been trying their best to dig dirt for a few cheap political points.

However, Salma’s renewed Respect has made alliances with the left once again. Salma Yaqoob and Respect backed Green Party candidates Felicity Norman and Peter Cranie in the West Midlands and North West during the 2009 European Elections in June.
http://westmidlands.greenparty.org.uk/region/westmidlands/news/2009-05-14salmayaqoobgogreen.html
The Green Party has since agreed not to stand against Salma Yaqoob in the forthcoming General Elections in Birmingham Hall Green, rather lending her their full support:
http://greenmpforvauxhall.blogspot.com/2009/10/greens-stand-aside-for-salma-yaqoob-in.html
More recently, Respect’s Adam Yosef – who was attacked by Tatchell and vice versa in 2005 – has come out in support of Peter Tatchell’s candidacy in Oxford East as part of the Respect-Green alliance:
http://www.gayuknews.com/Politics/muslim-qhomophobeq-backs-gay-rights-activist.html
The actual contents of his letter to Peter Tatchell don’t seem to have been disclosed.

The way I see it, Respect and Greens are building quite a strong bond and coalition at present. If Andy Newman and Peter Tatchell are at each other’s throats then someone needs to take them to one side and remind them of party procedure as they’re doing their respective parties a disservice.

I also think it would be of great benefit if Respect would stop faffing around and come out with their official policy on LGBT rights. It’s clear as day on their website so why cannot Muslim party leader Salma Yaqoob just say it to clear the air and maybe Tatchell should also clarify his position on what he makes of religoius Muslims and radical Muslims etc.

Interesting post Lisa T, pity this thread is now a bit old.

I made a suggestion on SU that Respect should back Inayat Bunglawala’s call for a LGBT Muslim group to become affiliated to the MCB, guess what it didn’t go down too well.

Now Respect might get some respect even from me if it did that, even more if it stopped grossly misrepresenting the Afghan war to Muslims (which to me is unforgivable).