Suicide Watch
The Times has a troubling story of an al-Muhajaroun member who has gone to Afghanistan to join the Taliban. His dream is for his three-year old son to grow up to be a suicide bomber.
An Irish jihadist living in Pakistan’s Swat valley says he is preparing to wage war against British and allied troops in Afghanistan.
Khalid Kelly, a former altar boy from the Liberties area of Dublin who used to be known as Terry, told The Sunday Times he is undergoing weapons training in Pakistan’s mountainous tribal region in order to fight jihad against the enemies of Islam. His dream is to face a British soldier in combat, although he would “settle” for an American, he said.
“I’m already on the path to jihad. I’vealready picked up a gun and done target practice to make myself familiar with weapons. The other day I learnt how to use an M-16 [rifle] in five hours,” he said. “Next week, inshallah, I could be in Afghanistan fighting a British soldier.”
Asked how he would feel about his own three-year-old son becoming a suicide bomber he replied: “I hope he goes to jannah [heaven] before marriageable age.” His son, named Osama after Kelly’s role model, lives in Britain with his Pakistani mother and two younger brothers. His father reckons Osama will be efficient with weapons by the age of ten.
The most graphic example of the Jihadi’s concept of Islam squaring neatly with the Far Right’s is this:
He is also unapologetic about his desire to fund, encourage and take part in terrorism. “I always believe Islam is terrorism. We are told to terrorise the enemies of Islam,” he said. “The world will become a dangerous place. Everybody had better start embracing Islam or people will start flying planes into buildings again.”
The thing is this: Both the far-right and the far left refuse to accept that there is any difference between the vast majority of mainstream British Muslims and fundamentalist Islamic-supremacist sects. Statements like Kelly’s, and his former mentor Anjem Choudaryprovide the raw material for projects like Fitna and spur on alarmist anti-Muslim bigots like Stop Islamification of Europe.
Their counterparts on the Far-Left also can’t seem to differentiate between extremists and the moderate majority. This is why we had a left-wing mayor of London hugging an Islamist cleric who supported suicide bombing, female genital mutilation and the execution of homosexuals. This is why various Left grouplets support Hamas and Hezbollah despite their openly and honestly stated genocidal political intentions. This is why sites like Islamophobia-Watch defend Hizb ut Tahrir or why others wilfully confuse the Taliban and al Qaida insurgents in Iraq with “resistance” against “imperialism”. At the same time, they create their own Muslim targets – like Irshad Manji, for example, who they demonise precisely because she asserts that her Islam is not the Islam of the people the far Left defends. Or the Spittoon.
This is also why we at Harry’s Place try to meticulously differentiate between our mainstream Muslim friends and neighbours and “Islamism, Political Islam, Jihadi Islam, or Islamic Fundamentalism”. For our trouble we have been attacked as both apologists and “dhimmis” seeking to hide (or willfully blind to) the true agenda of Islam, and of course as “Islamophobes” (even proprietors of “an Anti Islam Hate Site”).
We reject both these charges. Two charges we are happy to concede though are that we are seeking to divide the Muslim community and that we see the world in terms of “good Mulsims” and “bad Muslims”. Well of course we do! Doesn’t any sensible person? We seek to create a division between the average Muslim and the extremist nutters like Kelly. Yes, of course. Similarly, just as we see good Christians (or Animal Rights activists), we also see very bad ones – the Phelps family, for example.
The situation is growing very seriously. To prevail against the obvious threat of the Jihadi movement, we need to be able to have a clear-headed picture of the terrain, uncluttered by both the muddle-headed fantasists on the far-right and the dizzy apologists and relativists on the far-left.
This isn’t theory. Bullets are flying. Bombs are going off. The war has started. On the weekend, another 12 people were killed in a suicide bomber attack in Peshawar. Only this morning, four more people were killed in another suicide attack. The Taliban is recruiting bombers. People like Khalid Kelly want his British-born son to become a suicide bomber. Yet another terror ring has been uncovered in the UK. It is only a matter of time before suicide bombers bring to war closer to home again.
In other – quite chilling – news, the Taliban has targeted Australia and declared its intentions to take it from the West… because Muslim Asia need more “lebensraum” (and yes, they did use thatword in their monthly e-zine “Al Sumud” – ‘The Taliban has a monthly online magazine?’ I hear you ask. Well, apparently so. I’m also shocked. We thought they were just a band of local tribesmen and farmers chasing out the foreign invaders, right?).
Comments
| 16 November 2009, 1:16 pm |
I’m just saying, there’s no good Islam to find.
Of course there’s hope. There is hope in helping Muslims put Islam in it’s place, which is far far from the driver’s seat.
Our goal can’t be to find a nice, reasonable Mohammad that never existed, it’s to help Muslims marginalize Mohammad and Islam in their own societies by any means necessary.
| 16 November 2009, 1:21 pm |
He has a three-year old son. He is not fit to be a father if he comes out with crap like that.
The child should be taken into care and put up for adoption, for its own benefit.
| 16 November 2009, 1:25 pm |
From the report in The Australian that Brett links to:
The Taliban article does not call for jihad, although it hints at the possibility of “peaceful Islamic expansion” and the linchpin role in the “Asian Age”, as the author terms it, is ceded to non-Islamic China.
Western power is fading fast, he writes, “to the benefit of Asian giants, and first and foremost among them the colossal economic and human power of China”.
The Taliban seem to be taking it for granted that China will willingly submit to Islamic rule. I wonder on what grounds they are making that rather rash assumption.
| 16 November 2009, 1:30 pm |
What a sick fuck. When Catholicism screws you up, it screws you up good.
| 16 November 2009, 1:43 pm |
I learnt how to use an M-16 [rifle] in five hours
Did he have trouble finding the trigger? What a fucking moron.
| 16 November 2009, 2:05 pm |
I blame the Irish priesthood – they probably fucked him up, literally.
| 16 November 2009, 2:17 pm |
So the fact that he was an Al-Muhajiroun member, and came under the clutches of Omar Bakri Mohammed and Anjem Choudary et alia is of less relevance to his support of terrorism than his Catholic upbringing.
Interesting. Is this humour, irony, or genuine moral relativism?
| 16 November 2009, 2:41 pm |
Both the far-right and the far left refuse to accept that there is any difference between the vast majority of mainstream British Muslims and fundamentalist Islamic-supremacist sects. Statements like Kelly’s, and his former mentor Anjem Choudaryprovide the raw material for projects like Fitna and spur on alarmist anti-Muslim bigots like Stop Islamification of Europe.
The president of Turkey, moderate Turkey, tells it straight in the link below. I mean, he must know what he’s talking about since he is the head of one of the worlds largest Muslims countries and seeings he is a devout Muslim leading an Islamist party. Can we assume that his total rejection of the possibility of a’moderate’ islam marks him as an anti-Muslim bigot.
http://www.thememriblog.org/turkey/blog_personal/en/2595.htm
Why is the jihadist allowed to keep his 3 year old son whom he wants to become a suicide bomber?
Recently in Canada a neo-nazi couple had their children taken from them because they were indoctrinating them and teaching them violence.
Lastly, I’d also like to question Brett on the complete absence of spontaneous, ’self-propelled’ demonstrations and rallies on the part of moderate Muslims to denounce the radicals, and just what that absence means. Sometimes it’s not what you see that counts, but rather what you don’t see.
| 16 November 2009, 3:10 pm |
“When Catholicism screws you up, it screws you up good”
“I blame the Irish priesthood ”
Calm down now me boyos. Sure isn’t that Osama Kelly lunatic the only ever Irish suicide bomber ever to be sure. I would’a thought that the sensible characters that post on Harrys grand place, being that they have degrees from Oxbridge and the like, Surely educated people like yourselves Abdul and Eddie I mean youz in particular, surely you can’t be believing that the one crazy Jackeen is a trend that can be extrapolated to either Catholics or Irish. You should go off now and say three Hail Mary’s and ask for forgiveness for being such stupid bigots.
| 16 November 2009, 6:59 pm |
… alarmist anti-Muslim bigots like Stop Islamification of Europe.
Perfectly reasonable post, spoilt by this rather unthinking and petulant jibe. However, I suspect that such a remark comes from a subtle but serious misreading of the conflict that we are now in.
I followed your link, and found the strapline for this group: Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense. Please explain to me, Brett, what is “bigoted” about such a position. I agree with it completely, so does that make me a “bigot”? To stop the evil doctrine of Nazism we had to fight Germans, so were we Krautophobes during WW2?
Let us please have some clear thinking in this debate and not well meaning gut reaction, because the people we are dealing with are not well meaning. Those that we are pleased to call “moderates” among European Muslims would fall quickly into line should the Jihadis gain any real power in Europe, just as ordinary Germans fell in behind the Nazis. It may go against all your liberal instincts, but we have a problem with Muslims in Europe, and not just the Jihadis.
Our leaders should also be clear in their positions. Jihad is a vile, wicked doctrine and it is not “Islamophobic” (in the sly facile meaning of the word as Muslim hating) to say so. We cannot continue to consider those who wish to enslave us merely as criminals – they are warriors, and we should frame our laws to deal with them as such. The “far right’s” position on Islam squares with that of the Jihadis for very sound historical and theological reasons: that is what centuries of Islamic Jurisprudence defines it as, and no one who values his life dare countermand it.
The fact that Christianity has mellowed over the past centuries does not mean that such Jurisprudence is suddenly invalid because Muslim nations have joined the UN. Their behaviour in the UN shows that they merely consider it as a convenient way to pursue Jihad by other means.
If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. – Sun Tzu
| 16 November 2009, 9:27 pm |
“I followed your link, and found the strapline for this group: Racism is the lowest form of human stupidity, but Islamophobia is the height of common sense. Please explain to me, Brett, what is “bigoted” about such a position.”
That is not a bigoted position, but I’ve heard SIOE spokespeople saying they believe that moderate, secular Muslims are merely trying to trick us.
| 16 November 2009, 10:50 pm |
We reject both these charges. Two charges we are happy to concede though are that we are seeking to divide the Muslim community and that we see the world in terms of “good Mulsims” and “bad Muslims”. Well of course we do! Doesn’t any sensible person? We seek to create a division between the average Muslim and the extremist nutters like Kelly. Yes, of course. Similarly, just as we see good Christians (or Animal Rights activists), we also see very bad ones – the Phelps family, for example
Good. That’s the right attitude – there are crap muslims and muslims you don’t care about and good one’s that you like. They’re people, so what’re the odds they’re all great? A bejillion to one, same goes for any other group of people. Be nice, but, if Harry’s Place would stop saying ‘muslims’ and start recognising the countries of origin of the people who practice this selected and misogynistic self-pitying faith. Cos if you don’t, you’re falling for that stupid ummah’ thing they’ve got going, the muslims. And that’s their major problem – cos it just lets them be a lump, and it lets them feel self-pity when one of their crazier practitioner states and peoples gets it in the neck. Afghan muslims and Pakistani muslims seem to me to be way shittier as blokes than Malaysian muslims, say.
| 16 November 2009, 11:55 pm |
John P. @ 16 November 2009, 2:41 pm
“I’d also like to question Brett on the complete absence of spontaneous, ’self-propelled’ demonstrations and rallies on the part of moderate Muslims to denounce the radicals, and just what that absence means. Sometimes it’s not what you see that counts, but rather what you don’t see.”
Well, I’m not noticing many mainstream Christians spending their time denoucing Jehovah’s Witnesses. Why would they bother?
| 17 November 2009, 12:56 am |
Irish jihadist would sound funny like something out of Monty Python if it had not been for real.
His dream is for his three-year old son to grow up to be a suicide bomber.
My dream is that he gets put in prison and his son raised by someone who isn’t evil.
“I always believe Islam is terrorism. We are told to terrorise the enemies of Islam,”
If your thinking doesn’t take into account that it was the Mohammad who said this and the Mohammad who defined who “enemies of Islam” are, then you’re just whistling in the wind.